derry Posted 2 December, 2010 Share Posted 2 December, 2010 On the official site there is a report that a lady whose husband survived a direct hit on the air raid shelter at the the old gasworks because he went home for lunch. Eleven Saints fans were killed on Sept 26th 1940 in the shelter by the direct hit. The shelter was sited on what is now St Mary's. For years the lady's husband had tried to persuade the club to put up a plaque as a memorial to those fans but they had always refused. As soon as Nicola Cortese was made aware of the request he gave it his support culminating with Kelvin Davis presenting the plaque to the lady at the BBC Radio Solent broadcast on Tuesday night commemorating the 70th anniversary of the blitz. The plaque is to be put up at SMS. If Lowe etc, whoever was concerned, had refused this request they should be ashamed of themselves, especially as it is a Swiss citizen that is now doing what should have been done years ago. Sadly the lady's husband has passed away so was unaware that eventually his dream did come to fruition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan The Flames Posted 2 December, 2010 Share Posted 2 December, 2010 Its good that Saints has honoured the lives of these men. It seems strange that the previous regimes would not do so, maybe there was an acceptable explanation that we will never know of. Still they have been honoured now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mowgli Posted 2 December, 2010 Share Posted 2 December, 2010 Nice story and a good ending to the campaign for recognition. But please let's not use this as a another platform to criticise previous regimes without any detailed knowledge. Over 600 people lost their lives in the raids over Southampton and thousand more injured. It is entirely a matter for the occupier or owner as to whether a memorial is acceptable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 2 December, 2010 Share Posted 2 December, 2010 Nonsense, everyone knows that Cortese is pure evil! A superb gesture by the club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 2 December, 2010 Author Share Posted 2 December, 2010 Nicola Cortese has taken plenty of stick on here so when he acts like a decent human being showing consideration and compassion it is good. SMS is a vast area with plenty of places to put up a plaque to the unfortunate fans killed on the stadium site. Whoever it was who turned the request down had no sense of history or how the people of Southampton feel about those unfortunates killed due to enemy action. It is right that there is a plaque on the site. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RonManager Posted 2 December, 2010 Share Posted 2 December, 2010 (edited) This was posted on the blitz thread by Rocker 268 but is pertinent here too. http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/console/p00cb88q/Southamptons_darkest_hour_Southampton_Blitz_70th_Anniversary The background story and KD presentation starts at 38:45 and runs to 46:30. Another wrong righted by NC and the club. http://www.saintsfc.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10280~2235402,00.html Edited 2 December, 2010 by RonManager ref original poster Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 2 December, 2010 Share Posted 2 December, 2010 I've read somewhere today that Lowe responded to a letter campaign from the womans husband,when still alive, with a letter telling him to buy one of the message bricks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RonManager Posted 2 December, 2010 Share Posted 2 December, 2010 I've read somewhere today that Lowe responded to a letter campaign from the womans husband,when still alive, with a letter telling him to buy one of the message bricks. Yes it is alluded to in the radio article. It sounds like she is about to have a right go but the interviewer senses this and cuts in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint_bert Posted 2 December, 2010 Share Posted 2 December, 2010 I've read somewhere today that Lowe responded to a letter campaign from the womans husband,when still alive, with a letter telling him to buy one of the message bricks. Call me evil but I laughed at that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toomer Posted 2 December, 2010 Share Posted 2 December, 2010 The lady was talking to Julian Clegg on Solent yesterday morning and I must admit I had a lump in my throat listening to her story as she was fighting back the tears. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackFrost Posted 2 December, 2010 Share Posted 2 December, 2010 How long before this becomes a Lowe vs Cortese argument thread? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captainchris Posted 2 December, 2010 Share Posted 2 December, 2010 Please can someone start a controversial thread. It's very dull when it's nicey nicey all the time. No game at the weekend either i'm falling asleep! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 2 December, 2010 Share Posted 2 December, 2010 Call me evil but I laughed at that. Me too, Lowe was always good for a bit of banter! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 2 December, 2010 Share Posted 2 December, 2010 Me too, Lowe was always good for a bit of banter! and how you miss him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 2 December, 2010 Share Posted 2 December, 2010 The lady was talking to Julian Clegg on Solent yesterday morning and I must admit I had a lump in my throat listening to her story as she was fighting back the tears. although the lady in question was only 8 at the time and probably didn't even know the men concerned at the time of the bombing. Still good to see that all the years of campaigning have got a result although I'm sure it's the spot that's more important than the fact that it's SFC.My old grandad worked at the gas works for 40 odd years,I know a lot of people were extremely attached to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 2 December, 2010 Share Posted 2 December, 2010 and how you miss him Er no, not really Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corsacar saint Posted 2 December, 2010 Share Posted 2 December, 2010 Nice gesture by NC and the club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manji Posted 2 December, 2010 Share Posted 2 December, 2010 Well done Mr Cortese . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toomer Posted 2 December, 2010 Share Posted 2 December, 2010 although the lady in question was only 8 at the time and probably didn't even know the men concerned at the time of the bombing. Still good to see that all the years of campaigning have got a result although I'm sure it's the spot that's more important than the fact that it's SFC.My old grandad worked at the gas works for 40 odd years,I know a lot of people were extremely attached to it. My uncle (R.I.P) was a fireman stationed at St Marys during the 2nd WW. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott_saints Posted 2 December, 2010 Share Posted 2 December, 2010 We should have an individual plaque for everyone who has ever died in the Southampton area on our stadium. Is this does not happen, well, Cortese must go. The heartless b@stard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Painswick Saint Posted 2 December, 2010 Share Posted 2 December, 2010 Very good gesture by the club and Mr Cortese. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deppo Posted 2 December, 2010 Share Posted 2 December, 2010 How do we know that they were all Saints fans? Seems a bit of a coincidence to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint_mears Posted 2 December, 2010 Share Posted 2 December, 2010 although the lady in question was only 8 at the time and probably didn't even know the men concerned at the time of the bombing. Still good to see that all the years of campaigning have got a result although I'm sure it's the spot that's more important than the fact that it's SFC.My old grandad worked at the gas works for 40 odd years,I know a lot of people were extremely attached to it. 8 ?? she was married to someone who worked at the gas works ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
georgeweahscousin Posted 2 December, 2010 Share Posted 2 December, 2010 Great gesture. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint_mears Posted 2 December, 2010 Share Posted 2 December, 2010 Lets face it cortese needs all the good PR possible in his current status. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 2 December, 2010 Share Posted 2 December, 2010 Lets face it cortese needs all the good PR possible in his current status. in your little mind...yeah Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint_mears Posted 2 December, 2010 Share Posted 2 December, 2010 in your little mind...yeah I dont think so as all the evidence as to why Cortese is on the rack is clear as day. Just go and ask any ex employee of SFC over the last year, there are plenty of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 2 December, 2010 Share Posted 2 December, 2010 I dont think so as all the evidence as to why Cortese is on the rack is clear as day. Just go and ask any ex employee of SFC over the last year, there are plenty of them. LOL..yeah, he is all over wiki leaks isnt he....the blood is being spilled at SMS right now..the fans are on the streets against him arent they lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
docker-p Posted 2 December, 2010 Share Posted 2 December, 2010 Lets face it cortese needs all the good PR possible in his current status. This. A good bit of PR all for the price of a plaque and a handful of screws. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
georgeweahscousin Posted 2 December, 2010 Share Posted 2 December, 2010 Is he on the rack? Plus I would take what disgruntled ex-employees take with a pinch of salt. I fully understand that some fans aren't taken with NC yet, but any need to attack on this thread, a thread that shows he is making positive/non commercial moves that previous regimes would not? No. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 2 December, 2010 Share Posted 2 December, 2010 How long before this becomes a Lowe vs Cortese argument thread? Given the stick you gave me about bringing up the Evil One's name recently why no censure for Derry? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 2 December, 2010 Share Posted 2 December, 2010 (edited) 8 ?? she was married to someone who worked at the gas works ! the lady is 78 according to the article, that would make her 8 in 1940.So she must have married someone who was involved at a much later date.I don't know all the facts, someone surely does.Mr Ellery must have been about 14 at that time. Edited 2 December, 2010 by Window Cleaner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 2 December, 2010 Share Posted 2 December, 2010 in your little mind...yeah In probably quite a few people's minds to be fair DD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barney Trubble Posted 2 December, 2010 Share Posted 2 December, 2010 I've read somewhere today that Lowe responded to a letter campaign from the womans husband,when still alive, with a letter telling him to buy one of the message bricks. I know it ain't funny but I had to LOL. Lowe couldn't have tried to be more insensitive could he? He was just immune from feeling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 2 December, 2010 Share Posted 2 December, 2010 On the official site there is a report that a lady whose husband survived a direct hit on the air raid shelter at the the old gasworks because he went home for lunch. Eleven Saints fans were killed on Sept 26th 1940 in the shelter by the direct hit. The shelter was sited on what is now St Mary's. For years the lady's husband had tried to persuade the club to put up a plaque as a memorial to those fans but they had always refused. As soon as Nicola Cortese was made aware of the request he gave it his support culminating with Kelvin Davis presenting the plaque to the lady at the BBC Radio Solent broadcast on Tuesday night commemorating the 70th anniversary of the blitz. The plaque is to be put up at SMS. If Lowe etc, whoever was concerned, had refused this request they should be ashamed of themselves, especially as it is a Swiss citizen that is now doing what should have been done years ago. Sadly the lady's husband has passed away so was unaware that eventually his dream did come to fruition. Could be Lowe, could be Wilde, could be Crouch, could be Hone, could be Hoos........... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 2 December, 2010 Share Posted 2 December, 2010 Welldone Nicole. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 2 December, 2010 Share Posted 2 December, 2010 In probably quite a few people's minds to be fair DD. probably not TO BE FAIR soggy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dronskisaint Posted 2 December, 2010 Share Posted 2 December, 2010 I dont think so as all the evidence as to why Cortese is on the rack is clear as day. Just go and ask any ex employee of SFC over the last year, there are plenty of them. Or you could just ask them why they are now ex-employees? I'm sure they would bear no grudges..whou does when they are sacked?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 2 December, 2010 Share Posted 2 December, 2010 Nice gesture, should have come sooner. I wondered how long the thread would be hijacked by Smears and Docker, and also intrigued at how they would spin it into an anti-NC post. I am impressed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 2 December, 2010 Share Posted 2 December, 2010 Or you could just ask them why they are now ex-employees? I'm sure they would bear no grudges..whou does when they are sacked?! Its also so so so easy to sack people without having to go through a tribunal these days, so easy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 2 December, 2010 Share Posted 2 December, 2010 Nice gesture, should have come sooner. I wondered how long the thread would be hijacked by Smears and Docker, and also intrigued at how they would spin it into an anti-NC post. I am impressed. yet, saying when rupes refused this gesture they pass it off as "banter".... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 2 December, 2010 Share Posted 2 December, 2010 Nice gesture, should have come sooner. I wondered how long the thread would be hijacked by Smears and Docker, and also intrigued at how they would spin it into an anti-NC post. I am impressed. They are just as entitled to air their views as you are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 2 December, 2010 Author Share Posted 2 December, 2010 I dont think so as all the evidence as to why Cortese is on the rack is clear as day. Just go and ask any ex employee of SFC over the last year, there are plenty of them. I know somebody that worked for the management under Cortese and still works in the club. She has, apart from saying that he is a demanding boss, said a lot of good things about how she was treated personally by him. So your statement is too radical by far. Suffice it to say that there are a number of people that dislike him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 2 December, 2010 Share Posted 2 December, 2010 yet, saying when rupes refused this gesture they pass it off as "banter".... although the old Gas company could have inserted a proviso into the agreement for the purchase of the land that a commemorative plaque had to be put up for their lost employees, nothing easier really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 2 December, 2010 Share Posted 2 December, 2010 They are just as entitled to air their views as you are. I don't say that Nicola is a god, nor do i think it, infact i wasn't even going to bother writing on this thread before they posted their rather predictable drivel, it is a decent enough gesture and should have been done sooner in all reality. It just annoys me that any good the man does is twisted and anything he ever does that can be twisted into some sort of evil plot will be. And from what basis ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hamster Posted 2 December, 2010 Share Posted 2 December, 2010 the lady is 78 according to the article, that would make her 8 in 1940.So she must have married someone who was involved at a much later date.I don't know all the facts, someone surely does.Mr Ellery must have been about 14 at that time. Back then many many of the 'eligible' men were overseas and coming home in lower numbers to that in which they enlisted. There was a phenomena whereby many young women didn't have much option but to marry an older man. Harsh perhaps but true, my Nan telled me this ergo it is fact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 2 December, 2010 Share Posted 2 December, 2010 I know somebody that worked for the management under Cortese and still works in the club. She has, apart from saying that he is a demanding boss, said a lot of good things about how she was treated personally by him. So your statement is too radical by far. Suffice it to say that there are a number of people that dislike him. I have heard the same, he is demanding and doesn't put up for slackers or people just there for an easy life. Easy to see how that would get peoples backs up, especially if they end up unemployed. I have also heard good things in the fact that he rewards forward thinking and ambition along with good work ethics. How is that a bad thing ? Surely thats what work should be ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 2 December, 2010 Author Share Posted 2 December, 2010 (edited) Could be Lowe, could be Wilde, could be Crouch, could be Hone, could be Hoos........... Look, Lowe built the stadium and 'etc' covered all the rest. 'Whoever was concerned' shows that nobody is being targeted, however subsequently I saw that the lady's grandson 'Golden Balls,' has posted in the Lounge Blitz thread and stated that his grandfather was trying to get Lowe to agree but he wouldn't. So it was Lowe. Edited 2 December, 2010 by derry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 2 December, 2010 Share Posted 2 December, 2010 Back then many many of the 'eligible' men were overseas and coming home in lower numbers to that in which they enlisted. There was a phenomena whereby many young women didn't have much option but to marry an older man. Harsh perhaps but true, my Nan telled me this ergo it is fact. It's not all that big a difference in any case,shows though just a what age lads were going to work in places like the gas works. I remember mum telling me she started in some sort of cheese factory at about the same age before restarting studies at about 16/17. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 2 December, 2010 Share Posted 2 December, 2010 I don't say that Nicola is a god, nor do i think it, infact i wasn't even going to bother writing on this thread before they posted their rather predictable drivel, it is a decent enough gesture and should have been done sooner in all reality. It just annoys me that any good the man does is twisted and anything he ever does that can be twisted into some sort of evil plot will be. And from what basis ?? lol @ you getting wound up by what's witten on a forum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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