Do we still back Jan Portveliet?

[The Fat Controller]

Nice bloke, but that doesn't win games. He has had very little money to work with and a bunch of kids with bundles of enthusiasm but very little end product.

 

Do we still think he is capable of getting us out of this mess?

 

may be we should have a straight forward poll on his.

 

Gut feeling is that he has done all that he can, and unfortunately it's not his fault that he is so restricted with transfers etc

Edited 18 October, 2008 by The Fat Controller

[Guest Hacienda]

Nice bloke, but that doesn't win games. He has had very little money to work with and a bunch of kids with bundles of entusiasm but very little end product.

 

Do we still think he is capable of getting us out of this mess?

 

may be we should have a straight forward poll on his.

 

Gut feeling is that he has done all that he can, and unfortunately it's not his fault that he is so restricted with transfers etc

 

I'd agree with that.

 

I'd actually keep him at the club to work with the youth set up.

[saint lard]

I'd agree with that.

 

I'd actually keep him at the club to work with the youth set up.

+1.

[ponto1963]

+2, I agree

[AwaySaint1]

Do we still back Jan Portveliet?

 

I never new I did support the Lowe/Woodward experiment?

[LGTL]

He would be a good youth coach. First team manager he isn't i'm afraid.

[offix]

Nice guy, but as out of his depth as Wigley

[ulstersaint]

What has he given us?

 

Pretty but inneffective passing in first 2/3rds of the pitch

 

No serious goal threat up front (DMcG his regular pick!)

 

Shocking defence and inability to defend against corners and freekicks

 

Inability to score from penalties

 

Players who are easily bossed and bullied by the opposition

 

This will never get us promoted from the Championship but could lead to Division 1.

 

There's a manager at Leicester who is doing a good job there and would have done the same for us - but Lowe got rid of him.

[Weston Super Saint]

What has he given us?

 

Pretty but inneffective passing in first 2/3rds of the pitch

 

No serious goal threat up front (DMcG his regular pick!)

 

Shocking defence and inability to defend against corners and freekicks

 

Inability to score from penalties

 

Players who are easily bossed and bullied by the opposition

 

This will never get us promoted from the Championship but could lead to Division 1.

 

There's a manager at Leicester who is doing a good job there and would have done the same for us - but Lowe got rid of him.

 

Something had to give to be able to pay Rupert for 2 days work a week....

[AndyNorthernSaints]

What has he given us?

 

Pretty but inneffective passing in first 2/3rds of the pitch

 

No serious goal threat up front (DMcG his regular pick!)

 

Shocking defence and inability to defend against corners and freekicks

 

Inability to score from penalties

 

Players who are easily bossed and bullied by the opposition

 

This will never get us promoted from the Championship but could lead to Division 1.

 

There's a manager at Leicester who is doing a good job there and would have done the same for us - but Lowe got rid of him.

 

Spot on. Sad thing it's pretty obvious to everyone apart from the inept people in charge of the club :-(

[Guest Hacienda]

Spot on. Sad thing it's pretty obvious to everyone apart from the inept people in charge of the club :-(

 

And the muppets on here that support them.

[badgerx16]

Spot on. Sad thing it's pretty obvious to everyone apart from the inept people in charge of the club :-(

JP has dragged us down to his level, second divsion Dutch football

[Saint Martini]

Can't say I agree with the sentiment. We were unlucky today and we're not in the relegation zone. Things are not great but lets not go overboard with the pessimism. When we win with Davis being the MOTM we're doomed, when we lose but we are by far the better side we're doomed. I'd say we're just below expectations at the moment but nothing to get too worried about.

[thegaffer]

Nice bloke, but that doesn't win games. He has had very little money to work with and a bunch of kids with bundles of enthusiasm but very little end product.

 

Do we still think he is capable of getting us out of this mess?

 

may be we should have a straight forward poll on his.

 

Gut feeling is that he has done all that he can, and unfortunately it's not his fault that he is so restricted with transfers etc

 

Get rid of the Dutch muppet!!

[saint lard]

Can't say I agree with the sentiment. We were unlucky today and we're not in the relegation zone. Things are not great but lets not go overboard with the pessimism. When we win with Davis being the MOTM we're doomed, when we lose but we are by far the better side we're doomed. I'd say we're just below expectations at the moment but nothing to get too worried about.

 

It's all about opinions and i respect your's,but i think there is copius amounts of things to be worried about.

[badgerx16]

Can't say I agree with the sentiment. We were unlucky today and we're not in the relegation zone. Things are not great but lets not go overboard with the pessimism. When we win with Davis being the MOTM we're doomed, when we lose but we are by far the better side we're doomed. I'd say we're just below expectations at the moment but nothing to get too worried about.

We lose because we can't score and can't defend, the bits that happen between the penalty areas, however artistically presented, are rendered irrelevant by these two failures.

[samoakley]

We should of kept pearson to be honest lowes fault for sacking him im sure pearson would of cut his wages if it was a case of wages why he was sacked but we all know it was because he wasnt a yes man and would not take **** from lowe or the players.

[Saint Martini]

It's all about opinions and i respect your's,but i think there is copius amounts of things to be worried about.

 

Well, maybe nothing to be worried about was a bit OTT. But like I said, this was to be expected and I think we're doing okish by all accounts. Above the relegation zone and that is all I hoped for / expected this season.

[Saint Martini]

We lose because we can't score and can't defend, the bits that happen between the penalty areas, however artistically presented, are rendered irrelevant by these two failures.

 

Somehow we manage to score every now and then and we also keep clean sheets every now and then. Today we were defensively ****e and the finishing was ****e but we created loads of chances. Next match the will go in and Davis will pull of the saves Lee made today.

[badgerx16]

Somehow we manage to score every now and then and we also keep clean sheets every now and then. Today we were defensively ****e and the finishing was ****e but we created loads of chances. Next match the will go in and Davis will pull of the saves Lee made today.

I sincerely hope you are right, but this season is sucking the confidence out of me. The next two games being away at Sheff Utd, and the away to Swansea, who are unbeaten at home and hanging onto the play-off chase, could see us with 11 points from 13 matches.

[Badger]

I'd agree with that.

 

I'd actually keep him at the club to work with the youth set up.

 

Thats fine except we probably would not afford the extra salary for another coach.

[Thorpe-le-Saint]

Where the hell is Scooby? I need his 'opinions' to lighten this afternoon up for me!

[badgerx16]

Where the hell is Scooby? I need his 'opinions' to lighten this afternoon up for me!

It seems he's been 'named and shamed' and gone into hiding.

[Mr X]

poorvliet was a big risk from the beginning, 9 points from 33 available isn't any better than pearson, in fact it's a worse win ratio, pearson only lost four games in fourteen. He is a genuine guy but ineffective at this level. Pretty passing gets you nowhere in this league if you can't take your chances!

[70's Mike]

Thats fine except we probably would not afford the extra salary for another coach.

 

 

But we can afford to bring in , i have lost track of the number, youngsters.

This stinks of 2003 when we brought in squad players but did not improve the first 11.

[L1Minus10]

I don't blame him for the players he's got but this **** formation does not work and until he changes it to 4-4-2 we have no chance. Defending set pieces really is a coach's domain as well and **** easy to put right so what the **** is going on there.

[Mr X]

poorvliet was a big risk from the beginning, 9 points from 33 available isn't any better than pearson, in fact it's a worse win ratio, pearson only lost four games in fourteen. He is a genuine guy but ineffective at this level. Pretty passing gets you nowhere in this league if you can't take your chances!

 

 

I meant 11 point from 33

[trousers]

Where the hell is Scooby? I need his 'opinions' to lighten this afternoon up for me!

 

Andrew came to his senses (it would seem)

[trousers]

Do we still back Jan Portveliet?

 

I say we start spelling his name wrong in thread titles as a protest, and then work up from there.

[RobM]

Gut feeling is that he has done all that he can, and unfortunately it's not his fault that he is so restricted with transfers etc

 

Exactly... so with that in mind, is anybody else going to do a better job? We can't afford big wages, we can't afford big signings, so we have to make the best of what we have and sadly, the best is going to be very inconsistent.

 

I don't see how any other manager will get better out of this squad, with the exception of actually playing players like Skacel and SJ.

 

If you saw us play and believed that the players were not playing to their potential, blame the manager. But who out there this season could have consistently done any better than they have? When you're at the stage where your players are doing their best and you're still not good enough, yet we can't buy a new team, can you really blame the manager?

[St Marco]

After listening to his match comments on the way home my answer is no. What he said is disgraceful and shows he has zero understanding of football at this level. I am not calling for the guys head but he cannot come out and talk about how if the players had done what he said they would win. He can't come out and say he left things as they are because they players needed to learn. We need points and we need our home points badly. We are not in a position to be able to have someone with an ego calling decisions like he is. We needed to change system at half time and be positive in our formation. I have lost count now how many times we have been like that this year. We have played pretty much now a quarter of the season and of those games we have been so lucky with the wins. Today showed if you can't take your on a plate chances you are up the creek.

 

What worries me is i just can't see him having the abilities to get the team up to play if it was vital to win a game. If he was in charge of the game last year where we had to get results at West Brom and beat Sheff Utd i just can't see him being the type to put the winning drive into the players. He accepts none of the blame and for at least the last 2 games he is to blame. He needs to get realistic and realise this is not a league where you can play poor at home with negative tactics of 1 up front. You can't play poor players like Wotten in defence who are slow because they will get murdered. This league is so hard to progress in and just throwing the points away as he is with the "there is always next week" attitude will cost us. That is what we did last year and it took the board a run of awful results to realise the direction needed to change. If we get nothing from the Sheff Utd game and more importantly the Swansea game then we have to change system or we will be down. It is what happened in 2003 all over again and while i think Jan is a really nice guy and feel sorry for him he just isn't at this level and because of that we are where we are. We have got rid of players who would of done a much better job. Ostuland,Wright,Safri,Viafara etc.. all did poor last year but the players who have replaced them are even worse.

[Dalek2003]

Agree with St. Marco we are going round in circles, spiralling downwards.

[70's Mike]

Exactly... so with that in mind, is anybody else going to do a better job? We can't afford big wages, we can't afford big signings, so we have to make the best of what we have and sadly, the best is going to be very inconsistent.

 

I don't see how any other manager will get better out of this squad, with the exception of actually playing players like Skacel and SJ.

 

If you saw us play and believed that the players were not playing to their potential, blame the manager. But who out there this season could have consistently done any better than they have? When you're at the stage where your players are doing their best and you're still not good enough, yet we can't buy a new team, can you really blame the manager?

 

i suppose what you could say is why bring in 4 or 5 youngsters from outside the club , when we could have brought in one, maybe two, CCC defenders.

That with Perry, Skacel and SJ plus 6 youngsters and you have a good balance.

But 9 youngsters today is just not working and, imo, doing the youngsters no good

[Barney Trubble]

We're caught between a rock and a hard place. If we get rid, then who with any real current managerial credit would consider a move to such a volatile club like Southampton.

 

He'll basically have no control over players coming in and out as we can't afford to bring in and we are desperate to sell any player to a club that bids a reasonable offer.

 

I'd stick with Jan at the moment but maybe look at bringing in someone else to work alongside him who knows how to get players motivated and has respect.

 

Then again, Ray Graydon, formerly of Walsall, is someone that I think has that ability to move us forward again and he would be cheapish.

 

I know he's only done things at lower level but if you can teams promoted with a chairmen at Walsall that is tighter than Rupert Lowe, then he must be worth an outside bet if it became a necessary evil to oust Jan.

[harvey]

No, he looked totally oblivious on the touchline...........******* clueless, get rid of Lowes puppet now!!!!!!!!!!!

[Whitey Grandad]

What do you mean 'still back Jan Poortvliet'? What really worries me is that I know that if he went we are in such a mess that it is unikely to get any better. Once the confidence has been punctured all that's left is a very poor shadow of a once-great club.

[Saint Fen]

Can't say I agree with the sentiment. We were unlucky today and we're not in the relegation zone. Things are not great but lets not go overboard with the pessimism. When we win with Davis being the MOTM we're doomed, when we lose but we are by far the better side we're doomed. I'd say we're just below expectations at the moment but nothing to get too worried about.

 

We are defending so bad, and loosing to poor teams. Watford were awful and we lost 3-0!!!!

[lamanga]

Thing is I wonder if all is as well (optimistic) as we think in this "young" squad. If the motivation/respect goes we'll be buggered

[Mr X]

Can't say I agree with the sentiment. We were unlucky today and we're not in the relegation zone. Things are not great but lets not go overboard with the pessimism. When we win with Davis being the MOTM we're doomed, when we lose but we are by far the better side we're doomed. I'd say we're just below expectations at the moment but nothing to get too worried about.

 

I'll have some of whatever your on

[Micky]

Can't say I agree with the sentiment. We were unlucky today and we're not in the relegation zone. Things are not great but lets not go overboard with the pessimism. When we win with Davis being the MOTM we're doomed, when we lose but we are by far the better side we're doomed. I'd say we're just below expectations at the moment but nothing to get too worried about.

 

How exactly were we unlucky...?? I wasn't at the match, nor did I listen to it, but I'm intriqued as to how we were unlucky...???

 

Did we hit the woodwork 4 times, have 3 good goals ruled offside, have a player sent off incorrectly, anything that might remotely have been unlucky....???

 

Or did we actually have 2 gilt edge opportunities which we failed with on both occasions and then never had the guile or quality to get back into the game after we fluffed our lines.

 

Luck, I think - had naff all to do with it...!

[Saint Martini]

How exactly were we unlucky...?? I wasn't at the match, nor did I listen to it, but I'm intriqued as to how we were unlucky...???

 

Did we hit the woodwork 4 times, have 3 good goals ruled offside, have a player sent off incorrectly, anything that might remotely have been unlucky....???

 

Or did we actually have 2 gilt edge opportunities which we failed with on both occasions and then never had the guile or quality to get back into the game after we fluffed our lines.

 

Luck, I think - had naff all to do with it...!

 

2 missed pens, their goalkeeper not being send off and then making several top class saves (besides the two pens) to deny us a goal. I'm only listning to the radio commentary but apart from the crap defending for the goals they didn't have a shot on goal in the first 60 mins and we totally dominated them. The match just didn't go our way. If the commentary on SaintsTV had been less positive I'd be more upset by the result as well but in the end results don't say everything.

[NickG]

we defending badly today but also luck was not on our side

[rocknrollman no2]

2 missed pens, their goalkeeper not being send off and then making several top class saves (besides the two pens) to deny us a goal. I'm only listning to the radio commentary but apart from the crap defending for the goals they didn't have a shot on goal in the first 60 mins and we totally dominated them. The match just didn't go our way. If the commentary on SaintsTV had been less positive I'd be more upset by the result as well but in the end results don't say everything.

 

 

I think the commentry on radio Hamphire has to be taken with a pinch of salt.

If Surman hits the ball and it goes over the halfway line,then radio Hants says its a near miss.

Take it from someone who was at the game today........we were the worst i have ever seen.

[St Marco]

we defending badly today but also luck was not on our side

 

I agree with Mickey. Can't say we didn't have any luck or it wasen't on our side. We can't use that as the excuse. We were very fortunate to get 2 penalty's like we did. I can't remember the last time i saw that. The goalie was in line with 1 of their defenders so a yellow was correct. Only a red if it is the last man. The two penalty's were shocking. DMG was up there with the worst ones i've seen and Wotten just hit it down the middle. The two penalty's were pretty easy to save. More a lack of skill on our takers part. Even after those penalties the score was still 0-0 not 0-3. What happened was we were poor in defence and poor in control. They knew what they were doing, they came to rough us up and that's what they did. We should of dealt with all three of the goals and we didn't. Kelvin made some good saves and had a 1 on 1 which he stopped. We had few proper chances on goal and the ones we should of taken were down to errors on our behalf i.e DMG and lack of shooting skill. We missed chances Watford would of taken. They had bodies in the box and caused trouble and rather then deal with it we just froze, we were second to the ball. That is not luck. Luck is taking a shot and it is going miles wide but hits someones arse and goes in. Or the ref sends of a player for an imaginary foul etc.. all the things people say is luck was in our own hands. The name of the game is football and we couldn't get our foot on the ball. Simple as that. Lack of skill and poor tactics nothing else.

[um pahars]

2 missed pens, their goalkeeper not being send off and then making several top class saves (besides the two pens) to deny us a goal. I'm only listning to the radio commentary but apart from the crap defending for the goals they didn't have a shot on goal in the first 60 mins and we totally dominated them. The match just didn't go our way. If the commentary on SaintsTV had been less positive I'd be more upset by the result as well but in the end results don't say everything.

 

I dont know what station you were listenig to, but your posts on this thread are a million miles away from reality.

 

Even if we had scored both penalties, we still would have lost 3-2.

 

We didn't have shed loads of chances, their keeper didnt mae loads of great saves.

 

Once again we were awful at the back.

 

We also played some pretty stuff in midfield (at times).

 

We had nothing up front.

 

That's not unlucky, today was plain sh7itye (again)

[Saint Martini]

I dont know what station you were listenig to, but your posts on this thread are a million miles away from reality.

 

Even if we had scored both penalties, we still would have lost 3-2.

 

We didn't have shed loads of chances, their keeper didnt mae loads of great saves.

 

Once again we were awful at the back.

 

We also played some pretty stuff in midfield (at times).

 

We had nothing up front.

 

That's not unlucky, today was plain sh7itye (again)

 

I was listning to SaintsTV, normally their are pretty honest. And the matchstats seem to suggest we were at least equal to Watford. Anyway, like I keep saying, I'm going on match commentary and from that it seemed that Lee made several good stops. Anyway, like you said even with the 2 pens in it would have finished 2-3 but if Lee had been send off it would have been different.

 

Btw, the SaintsTV commentators seemed to suggest that there was defender on the line and that's why Lee didn't get red. But if it had been the other way around (One defender and goallie on the line) would the player have been send off?

[Micky]

2 missed pens, their goalkeeper not being send off and then making several top class saves (besides the two pens) to deny us a goal. I'm only listning to the radio commentary but apart from the crap defending for the goals they didn't have a shot on goal in the first 60 mins and we totally dominated them. The match just didn't go our way. If the commentary on SaintsTV had been less positive I'd be more upset by the result as well but in the end results don't say everything.

 

Missing two penalties is not unlucky, unprofessional yes, but unlucky definately not. How you can conclude that they didn't have a shot on target for the first hour (which we apparently dominated as well..!!) is worrying - we were 3 bloody nil down after the first 45...!!!

 

All well and fine relying on SaintsTV to give you an idea of whats going on - but expect lots of red & white tinted spec stuff thrown in - thats their job and they want to be doing it for the rest of the season.

 

Given these stats, it doesn't look too much like home domination to me - more a bit 50/50 but the men beat the shyte outta the boys where it mattered.

 

Goal Attempts 10 : 9 Goal Attempts

 

On Target 3 : 5 On Target

 

Crosses 10 : 3 Crosses

 

Corners 9 : 8 Corners

 

Offside 3 : 5 Offside

 

Fouls 13 : 18 Fouls

 

Free kicks 22 : 18 Free kicks

 

Yellow cards 1 : 4 Yellow cards

 

% Possession 49 : 51 Possession %

[um pahars]

I was listning to SaintsTV, normally their are pretty honest. And the matchstats seem to suggest we were at least equal to Watford. Anyway, like I keep saying, I'm going on match commentary and from that it seemed that Lee made several good stops. Anyway, like you said even with the 2 pens in it would have finished 2-3 but if Lee had been send off it would have been different.

 

Btw, the SaintsTV commentators seemed to suggest that there was defender on the line and that's why Lee didn't get red. But if it had been the other way around (One defender and goallie on the line) would the player have been send off?

 

I dont want to get too lairy as had to go into the Grapes for a few pints after that rubish, but take it from me, the SaintsTV and stats don't tell you anywhere near the true story.

 

Watford were quite frankly fciuking awful, but that says more about us than it does them.

 

They took their foot off the pedal in the second half (thankfully).

 

It was boys against men.

 

We could have been their for 90 hours and not scored.

 

Team selection, motivation, performances, all round was terrible.

 

For most fo the second half, JP looked dazed with his hands in his pockets and my worry of him being out of his depth seems more prophetic with every match.

 

We will only stay up if there are three teams worse than us.

[Micky]

I dont know what station you were listenig to, but your posts on this thread are a million miles away from reality.

 

Even if we had scored both penalties, we still would have lost 3-2.

 

We didn't have shed loads of chances, their keeper didnt mae loads of great saves.

 

Once again we were awful at the back.

 

We also played some pretty stuff in midfield (at times).

 

We had nothing up front.

 

That's not unlucky, today was plain sh7itye (again)

 

This is the bit that worries me UP. Lots of people on here have said that we played some neat stuff, lots of pundits have actually applauded the way in which we knock it around in midfield - get it down and get it to feet.

 

But when you think about it, it's actaully quite easy to do. Most teams will let you play football in front of them, especially if (like us) you don't hurt them when you do it. And that is the crux of the matter for this team - we don't hurt teams. We play pretty stuff, no cutting edge, no end product and therfore no result.

 

I just think that teams have sussed us out - young boys trying to do it the right way, but not really up to it. Let them run out of ideas, bully them off the ball - go direct and get a shot in.

 

Once we go behind in a game, its very difficult for the young lads to concentrate and try to get back into it. I fear for this system - looks good, but currently producing not a lot.

[brmbrm]

No, I don't back him at all.

 

- zero organisation at the back. You can complain about the quality of the players avaibale, but the coach's job is to ****ing get them organised FFS.

 

- next to no cutting edge up front. balls into box are great but there is noone there FFS. Again this is organisation - if you are going to play 451 at home then you midfilders (more than one of them) are going to have to make runs into the box

 

- no bloody idea at all about chaning things when we are 3-0 donw. FFS. "Leave it to the players" is what he siad on Solent radio. WHO THE FUKC IS THE BOSS HERE?????

 

Jeez, I could go on but what is the point