if you want lowe to go then....

[lordswoodsaints]

you will have to take the leadership from him.

 

he isnt going to go on his own accord.

if the banks dont force him or this mysterious person waiting for the right moment(yeah right) then somebody with big balls needs to step up to the plate...

 

is there anybody out there with big balls? a lorry load of cash? or a gun?

otherwise he is staying exactly where he is.

 

until somebody actually comes up with a realistic,viable alternative then this is how it is going to be.

you can shout 'lowe out' all you like and as loud as you like but if you aint got one of the above he aint listening.

[Matt SFC]

hire a hitman?

[benjii]

hire a hitman?

 

If you get him murdered he'll probably sue you.

[benjii]

 

he isnt going to go on his own accord.

 

 

until somebody actually comes up with a realistic,viable alternative then this is how it is going to be.

 

Well that's the problem isn't it. It will take more than a realistic, viable alternative.

 

It needs to be a realistic, viable alternative that Lowe cannot scupper.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Or Wilde could just change his mind again.

[Fan The Flames]

Ah the rally call of the lowe faithful, with the classic default argument about naming an alternative. Posts like this generally mean that the Lowe camp has just taken a battering.

 

If you are confident about his position and capabilities then why does it bother you so much that people want him out.

[Roman]

you will have to take the leadership from him.

 

he isnt going to go on his own accord.

if the banks dont force him or this mysterious person waiting for the right moment(yeah right) then somebody with big balls needs to step up to the plate...

 

is there anybody out there with big balls? a lorry load of cash? or a gun?

otherwise he is staying exactly where he is.

 

until somebody actually comes up with a realistic,viable alternative then this is how it is going to be.

you can shout 'lowe out' all you like and as loud as you like but if you aint got one of the above he aint listening.

 

Or to look at it another way, if the club continues to drift as badly as it is under Lowe, he'll be forced out the only we he'll allow - by dragging the club down with him.

[Delmary]

you will have to take the leadership from him.

 

he isnt going to go on his own accord.

if the banks dont force him or this mysterious person waiting for the right moment(yeah right) then somebody with big balls needs to step up to the plate...

 

is there anybody out there with big balls? a lorry load of cash? or a gun?

otherwise he is staying exactly where he is.

 

until somebody actually comes up with a realistic,viable alternative then this is how it is going to be.

you can shout 'lowe out' all you like and as loud as you like but if you aint got one of the above he aint listening.

 

Please look back in history, before 1997. The answer is there!

[lordswoodsaints]

Ah the rally call of the lowe faithful, with the classic default argument about naming an alternative. Posts like this generally mean that the Lowe camp has just taken a battering.

 

If you are confident about his position and capabilities then why does it bother you so much that people want him out.

 

lowe faithful....my arse,i dont give a flying fvck who is in charge.

how do you propose that he be removed? you just cant say you want change,thats not good enough,if he was to leave, somebody has to do his job,somebody has to step into his shoes.

the last time that lowe was ousted we ended up with something worse imo and i dont really want that to happen again.thats why it bothers me,it bothers me that people want him out so much that they fail to see further than the end of their noses at what might be lurking round the corner.

i hope we do go onto better things but i cant see that happening in the near future with or without lowe.

[Fan The Flames]

You do a very good impression of someone that really wants lowe to stay, what might be lurking around the corner thats worse than what we've got now.

 

Again if Lowe is so capable and if his position is so safe then it shouldn't matter to you how many internet posters scream Lowe out or are you starting to wonder whether he is really that good or that safe afterall and that the majority were right all along.

[Wes Tender]

you will have to take the leadership from him.

 

he isnt going to go on his own accord.

if the banks dont force him or this mysterious person waiting for the right moment(yeah right) then somebody with big balls needs to step up to the plate...

 

is there anybody out there with big balls? a lorry load of cash? or a gun?

otherwise he is staying exactly where he is.

 

until somebody actually comes up with a realistic,viable alternative then this is how it is going to be.

you can shout 'lowe out' all you like and as loud as you like but if you aint got one of the above he aint listening.

 

There are a couple of other scenarios that you haven't included in your list of ways that Lowe might be forced to go.

 

You obviously forgot about the person who made it possible for him to be there again. Wilde could easily change his mind again. Although improbable, it is also not an impossibility that his stooges, Askham, Richards, etc could decide that he has become a liability and jettison him.

 

But there is one scenario that flies directly in the face of your contention that Lowe isn't going anywhere or will not listen to us shouting that we want him out.

 

We can force him to sit up and take notice if we have the collective will.

 

A mass boycott, carefully orchestrated, timed for maximum impact, well publicised and supported by thousands would have repercussions in various directions.

 

It could possibly have the bank demand that he and the current board resign. It might force his cronies to withdraw their support for him, or it could change Wilde's support away from him.

 

The realistic viable alternative is preferably the appointment of an independent board comprising people acceptable to all of the major shareholders, but holding no shares themselves. There are people like Salz out there who are held in the highest respect nationally who I'm sure could do a very good job at running a football PLC along traditional lines rather than by risky experimentation and these people would have the moral authority to call on all Saints fans to unite and save the club they love.

 

I'm afraid that otherwise the only alternative is an ever decreasing attendance level that will reach a point whereby the monthly losses grow to such an extent that the Bank pull the plug on the club anyway. They might give us to January when a couple of star players will be sold, but following that the numbers will diminish further anyway and we will be playing ever younger or older players in an increasingly empty stadium.

[Scudamore]

you will have to take the leadership from him.

 

he isnt going to go on his own accord.

if the banks dont force him or this mysterious person waiting for the right moment(yeah right) then somebody with big balls needs to step up to the plate...

 

is there anybody out there with big balls? a lorry load of cash? or a gun?

otherwise he is staying exactly where he is.

 

until somebody actually comes up with a realistic,viable alternative then this is how it is going to be.

you can shout 'lowe out' all you like and as loud as you like but if you aint got one of the above he aint listening.

 

I have one testicle that is larger than the other...do i qualify?

[Mole]

you will have to take the leadership from him.

 

he isnt going to go on his own accord.

if the banks dont force him or this mysterious person waiting for the right moment(yeah right) then somebody with big balls needs to step up to the plate...

 

is there anybody out there with big balls? a lorry load of cash? or a gun?

otherwise he is staying exactly where he is.

 

until somebody actually comes up with a realistic,viable alternative then this is how it is going to be.

you can shout 'lowe out' all you like and as loud as you like but if you aint got one of the above he aint listening.

 

I agree with you that Lowe won't listen to fans. This is why i won't even bother protesting this time around. Instead i'll keep my money in my pocket and won't go to St Marys.

[N/West Saint]

hire a hitman?

 

Dressed up as a duck

[qwertySFC]

hire a hitman?

 

We have 3 on loan ....

[derry]

The only way to get at Rupert Lowe, would be to orchestrate a fans campaign with demonstrations against Michael Wilde, for supporting Lowe and underwriting his position.

[70's Mike]

Please look back in history, before 1997. The answer is there!

 

did the club exist before 1997 ?

many believe that is when it started

[derry]

There are a couple of other scenarios that you haven't included in your list of ways that Lowe might be forced to go.

 

You obviously forgot about the person who made it possible for him to be there again. Wilde could easily change his mind again. Although improbable, it is also not an impossibility that his stooges, Askham, Richards, etc could decide that he has become a liability and jettison him.

 

But there is one scenario that flies directly in the face of your contention that Lowe isn't going anywhere or will not listen to us shouting that we want him out.

 

We can force him to sit up and take notice if we have the collective will.

 

A mass boycott, carefully orchestrated, timed for maximum impact, well publicised and supported by thousands would have repercussions in various directions.

 

It could possibly have the bank demand that he and the current board resign. It might force his cronies to withdraw their support for him, or it could change Wilde's support away from him.

 

The realistic viable alternative is preferably the appointment of an independent board comprising people acceptable to all of the major shareholders, but holding no shares themselves. There are people like Salz out there who are held in the highest respect nationally who I'm sure could do a very good job at running a football PLC along traditional lines rather than by risky experimentation and these people would have the moral authority to call on all Saints fans to unite and save the club they love.

 

I'm afraid that otherwise the only alternative is an ever decreasing attendance level that will reach a point whereby the monthly losses grow to such an extent that the Bank pull the plug on the club anyway. They might give us to January when a couple of star players will be sold, but following that the numbers will diminish further anyway and we will be playing ever younger or older players in an increasingly empty stadium.

 

The boycott would have to be the random supporter, as the STs are counted whether there or not.

[Snowballs2]

The only way to get at Rupert Lowe, would be to orchestrate a fans campaign with demonstrations against Michael Wilde, for supporting Lowe and underwriting his position.

 

 

We could always PM the guy to let him know how we feel about linking up again with Lowe

[derry]

We could always PM the guy to let him know how we feel about linking up again with Lowe

 

 

As well as.

[SaintRichmond]

you will have to take the leadership from him.

 

he isnt going to go on his own accord.

if the banks dont force him or this mysterious person waiting for the right moment(yeah right) then somebody with big balls needs to step up to the plate...

 

is there anybody out there with big balls? a lorry load of cash? or a gun?

otherwise he is staying exactly where he is.

 

until somebody actually comes up with a realistic,viable alternative then this is how it is going to be.

you can shout 'lowe out' all you like and as loud as you like but if you aint got one of the above he aint listening.

 

 

There is always "Turncoat Wilde" .......... I am a bit surprised he hasn't panicked already ...........

[once_bitterne]

Please look back in history, before 1997. The answer is there!

 

 

After we slowly but surely slipped from our top half of the table in Div 1 position of the early 80s we became regular relegation contenders throughout the 90s and had it not been for MLT would have certainly been relegated. Lowe managed to arrest this decline and get us back to being a top half table team under Hoddle and WGS (despite this period co-inciding with the decline of MLT's abilility on the pitch.)

 

However some seem to be re-writing history to make it appear we were a top 4 club when Lowe came to power in 97 and that he presided over a steady and measured decline to relegation by his nasty business first approach to football. This is of course total rubbish and up to the point WGS left there was no indication at all that we were anywhere near to the point of having to worry about the threat of relegation....

[Wes Tender]

The boycott would have to be the random supporter, as the STs are counted whether there or not.

 

Fair point, but I'm thinking more about the visual effect of a stadium with huge gaps everywhere. Granted that there would be no loss of revenue except from perhaps concourse sales if the ST holders boycotted and they might well feel more inclined to go to the match having paid for their tickets already. But if it was seen to be the only effective way of getting shot of the board and was well orchestrated, then many ST holders might well be prepared to forego one match to make their point.

 

Otherwise, the other possibility if it would gain more widespread support is the holding up of placards saying Lowe Out, or a repeat of the visual impact of most of the stadium standing up in support of Lowe going. But the boycott would be by far the most effective weapon if other protests fail.

[Verbal Kint]

It's really very simple. If crowds continue to hover around the 13-14k mark then the bank will take action. And even if they don't we will go into admin and there will much more appealing offers out there than Lowe.

 

If fans continue to stay away Lowe will not last the season.

[dubai_phil]

Fair point, but I'm thinking more about the visual effect of a stadium with huge gaps everywhere. Granted that there would be no loss of revenue except from perhaps concourse sales if the ST holders boycotted and they might well feel more inclined to go to the match having paid for their tickets already. But if it was seen to be the only effective way of getting shot of the board and was well orchestrated, then many ST holders might well be prepared to forego one match to make their point.

 

 

Otherwise, the other possibility if it would gain more widespread support is the holding up of placards saying Lowe Out, or a repeat of the visual impact of most of the stadium standing up in support of Lowe going. But the boycott would be by far the most effective weapon if other protests fail.

 

Wes, I made this point some time ago. Namely that a boycott of the stadium hurts ourselves as much as it would hurt Lowe.

 

What is needed is a protest INSIDE the stadium that is simple, clear and effective, YET does not in ANYWAY damage the support of the fans for the team.

In fact the best way to do this is actually with a FULL stadium.

 

Simple ideas - 1) The red card/white handkerchief. This approach worked, it was one of the moments that helped to convince those upstairs that Branfoot HAD to go

2) Simply when the teams line up for the toin coss before kick off, every fan in the ground turns their back on the Directors box and yet SINGS OWTS as loud as they have EVER done in their lives (and of course, turn around when the game starts)

 

The club needs money right now or we lose even more players, just not turning up works in a way but simply hastens the inevitable fire sale. But a SIMPLE visual IN STADIUM protest like that and expecially at a televised game will get FAR more media coverage.

[Fan The Flames]

After we slowly but surely slipped from our top half of the table in Div 1 position of the early 80s we became regular relegation contenders throughout the 90s and had it not been for MLT would have certainly been relegated. Lowe managed to arrest this decline and get us back to being a top half table team under Hoddle and WGS (despite this period co-inciding with the decline of MLT's abilility on the pitch.)

 

However some seem to be re-writing history to make it appear we were a top 4 club when Lowe came to power in 97 and that he presided over a steady and measured decline to relegation by his nasty business first approach to football. This is of course total rubbish and up to the point WGS left there was no indication at all that we were anywhere near to the point of having to worry about the threat of relegation....

 

Average top flight position before Lowe 13th

Average top flight position after Lowe 12th

[Gemmel]

Wes, I made this point some time ago. Namely that a boycott of the stadium hurts ourselves as much as it would hurt Lowe.What is needed is a protest INSIDE the stadium that is simple, clear and effective, YET does not in ANYWAY damage the support of the fans for the team.

In fact the best way to do this is actually with a FULL stadium.

 

What about this; The stay away fans (based on Lowe) nominate a single game that they will attend. (it would need some co-ordination) If the the attendance is up by 3000 at £24 a ticket a program and a beer thats £100k.

 

If the fans show the club that is what they are missing out on week in week out. He would be gone the next day.

[Professor]

Its not wanting to support Lowe that makes people fed up with these boring Lowe Out statements, but the unrealistic belief that a different Chairman could do any better with the same resources. There is no simplistic, easy answer, to bring success. Getting rid of Lowe was tried and where did that end? Bottom place on the last day of the season and staying up only by the results of other teams. In fact the very act of getting rid of him when it was done by Michael Wilde was so badly timed that it damaged the club's chances in the following season. At another time it might have been OK, except that Wilde proved to be no better, and neither did Crouch. So if Lowe were to walk away without any succession in place, where would that leave us? In administration probably.

[voteforpedro]

you will have to take the leadership from him.

 

he isnt going to go on his own accord.

if the banks dont force him or this mysterious person waiting for the right moment(yeah right) then somebody with big balls needs to step up to the plate...

 

is there anybody out there with big balls? a lorry load of cash? or a gun?

otherwise he is staying exactly where he is.

 

until somebody actually comes up with a realistic,viable alternative then this is how it is going to be.

you can shout 'lowe out' all you like and as loud as you like but if you aint got one of the above he aint listening.

 

Ah the rally call of the lowe faithful, with the classic default argument about naming an alternative. Posts like this generally mean that the Lowe camp has just taken a battering.

 

If you are confident about his position and capabilities then why does it bother you so much that people want him out.

 

You do a very good impression of someone that really wants lowe to stay, what might be lurking around the corner thats worse than what we've got now.

 

Again if Lowe is so capable and if his position is so safe then it shouldn't matter to you how many internet posters scream Lowe out or are you starting to wonder whether he is really that good or that safe afterall and that the majority were right all along.

 

Fan the flames, you claim Lordswoodsaint is one of the 'lowe faithful' and that his arguement has no substance, but you haven't answered his question; what is your realistic, viable alternative?

[ottery st mary]

Its not wanting to support Lowe that makes people fed up with these boring Lowe Out statements, but the unrealistic belief that a different Chairman could do any better with the same resources. There is no simplistic, easy answer, to bring success. Getting rid of Lowe was tried and where did that end? Bottom place on the last day of the season and staying up only by the results of other teams. In fact the very act of getting rid of him when it was done by Michael Wilde was so badly timed that it damaged the club's chances in the following season. At another time it might have been OK, except that Wilde proved to be no better, and neither did Crouch. So if Lowe were to walk away without any succession in place, where would that leave us? In administration probably.

 

The question then is why, Lowey, when his history is quite clear that he has had no sucess in any previous businesses, including SFC. He was also going to have very few fans on board to support the business plan. He has shown no evidence in his antecedents, that he is any better than the other Chairman you mention.

In fact, he has swiftly proved the point, that he is not up to the task and the end result is, he will be replaced by a more capable man in Salz and we will then have the glimmer of hope we can survive and rise again...Forget the Sky money he spent...Does not prove any business acumen on his part....

Why ever did AsKham and the Mob put him in the chair again ,it is scandolous...AND for Wildey...heaven knows....You might like Lowey.......

I do not know the man ...but can tell he is not up to the task and he should be moved on now, before it is too late.

 

My own opinion might not count for much in your eyes or your little group...BUT, I know I will be proved right again as with many things Lowey does.

Edited 12 November, 2008 by ottery st mary

[Beckster Von Doodle]

Please look back in history, before 1997. The answer is there!

 

That is the whole problem too many look backwards instead of looking forward, Vrouch chasing former glories with McEnemy, Wilde doing the same and still we ran head ong into the parked car in front of us.

 

The problem is we have three minority shareholders who have differing idealistic views of how the club should progress. What we need is the debts piad up, a pot of money and someone with a single vision!!

 

Fulthorpe is not the answer he seems to have more visions than Jesus!!

[um pahars]

However some seem to be re-writing history to make it appear we were a top 4 club when Lowe came to power in 97

 

I must have blinked and missed those posts.

 

Who was claiming we were a top 4 club before Lowe rocked up?

 

 

 

9 seasons prior to Lowe 87/88 - 95/96 - Average position 13.8

 

9 seaons with Lowe 97/98 - 05/06 - Average position 15.2

[lordswoodsaints]

Its not wanting to support Lowe that makes people fed up with these boring Lowe Out statements, but the unrealistic belief that a different Chairman could do any better with the same resources. There is no simplistic, easy answer, to bring success. Getting rid of Lowe was tried and where did that end? Bottom place on the last day of the season and staying up only by the results of other teams. In fact the very act of getting rid of him when it was done by Michael Wilde was so badly timed that it damaged the club's chances in the following season. At another time it might have been OK, except that Wilde proved to be no better, and neither did Crouch. So if Lowe were to walk away without any succession in place, where would that leave us? In administration probably.

 

exactly what i was trying to put across.

lowe maybe faling but crouch had a crack and failed so did wilde,perhaps it doesnt matter who sits in the seat,perhaps the club has had its day.

i dont pretend to know the ins and outs of what goes on at the club but it seems to me that the hotseat is a poison chalice that nobody wants.perhaps the club is so restricted that nobody can do a decent job,if this is the case then the only way forward is either a major financial injection or starting again from scratch,which i guess is administration.

[John B]

The question then is why, Lowey, when his history is quite clear that he has had no sucess in any previous businesses, including SFC. He was also going to have very few fans on board to support the business plan. He has shown no evidence in his antecedents, that he is any better than the other Chairman you mention.

In fact, he has swiftly proved the point, that he is not up to the task and the end result is, he will be replaced by a more capable man in Salz and we will then have the glimmer of hope we can survive and rise again...Forget the Sky money he spent...Does not prove any business acumen on his part....

Why ever did Asham and the Mob put him in the chair again ,it is scandolous...AND for Wildey...heaven knows....You might like Lowey.......

I do not know the man ...but can tell he is not up to the task and he should be moved on now, before it is too late.

 

My own opinion might not count for much in your eyes or your little group...BUT, I know I will be proved right again as with many things Lowey does.

 

But you are biased as you dont like Lowe and some of your assumptions may not be correct.

 

 

Lowe has not failed yet as we are not in administration and have not been relegated in fact we are virtually where we were before he took over and our finances are probably in a better shape

Edited 12 November, 2008 by John B

[Wade Garrett]

But you are biased as you dont like Lowe and some of your assumptions may not be correct.

 

 

Lowe has not failed yet as we are not in administration and have not been relegated in fact we are virtually where we were before he took over and our finances are probably in a better shape

 

Horse sh*t (but you know that anyway).

[Snowballs2]

But you are biased as you dont like Lowe and some of your assumptions may not be correct.

 

 

Lowe has not failed yet as we are not in administration and have not been relegated in fact we are virtually where we were before he took over and our finances are probably in a better shape

 

 

We were not in administration with Crouch or with Wilde...what a silly statement to make...acording to you to be a success all Lowe has to do is keep us out of administration. Not even win a match occasionally.

[John B]

We were not in administration with Crouch or with Wilde...what a silly statement to make...acording to you to be a success all Lowe has to do is keep us out of administration. Not even win a match occasionally.

 

Success will be if we stay up and dont go into administration because we then should be able to improve.

 

As I fully expected us to struggle I am not surprised to find us in the relegation zone but we need to change tactics and get in new personnel not complete youngsters

[ottery st mary]

But you are biased as you dont like Lowe and some of your assumptions may not be correct.

 

 

Lowe has not failed yet as we are not in administration and have not been relegated in fact we are virtually where we were before he took over and our finances are probably in a better shape

 

John

 

I do not know Lowey and there is no bias, I have clearly in my own eyes built up a catalogue of events surrounding SFC, Lowey and the running of this Football club business. The conclusion, I came to, a short while ago, was that once again, he was not going to be sucessful in the leadership of this club and should be replaced as soon as possible by a better equipped leader of the board.

 

But, John they are my assunptions and are quickly being proved absolutely right in my view. Finances are far worse...Time will tell sooner than later...

 

When you say I do not like Lowey, do I take it you know him/work for him or a contracted company or just good freinds with him and show support on this forum along with other associates/colleagues/freinds/like minded people...Above all else I do hope you are a true supporter of the Saints...I do mean genuine supporter.

 

You say he has not failed, YET.....Do we wait until falling off the Cliff before attempting to prevent the fall...

 

He has had more than a fair crack of the whip and change is now IMPERATIVE.

Edited 12 November, 2008 by ottery st mary

[VectisSaint]

exactly what i was trying to put across.

lowe maybe faling but crouch had a crack and failed so did wilde,perhaps it doesnt matter who sits in the seat,perhaps the club has had its day.

i dont pretend to know the ins and outs of what goes on at the club but it seems to me that the hotseat is a poison chalice that nobody wants.perhaps the club is so restricted that nobody can do a decent job,if this is the case then the only way forward is either a major financial injection or starting again from scratch,which i guess is administration.

Please clarify how Crouch failed. He was in charge for less than 6 months (from Dec 2007). As yet we have seen no financials for this period (apart from a wooly trading statement), he had the backing of the Bank, had put plans in place to reduce expenditure (closing corners and cutting the free buses), had loaned out 2 high earners to reduce wages (Rasiak and Skacel) and appointed a manager who was good at working with young players, was British, who had good knowledge and contacts in the English League, and understood that playing one up front was not the correct formula for home matches. In addition Crouch resolved the situation with hte Ted Bates statue, partly through his own financial input. He also was working with the only one of the Wilde Bunch who was actually any good, Lee Hoos. yes he made one mistake, giving Gorman and Dood a chance, a move that I personally thought was a wise decision at the time based on JG's record. If that is failure, then I would take failure any day over the mad experiments of Lowe and the Lap Dog.

[NickG]

none of them fill me with any confidence!

 

Biggest problem with Lowe was his manager appointments, on the cheap and leading to the decline (very simplistic view I know)

 

And then Crouch did the same and was lucky we didn't end up in Div 1!

[DaveyR]

Please clarify how Crouch failed. He was in charge for less than 6 months (from Dec 2007). As yet we have seen no financials for this period (apart from a wooly trading statement), he had the backing of the Bank, had put plans in place to reduce expenditure (closing corners and cutting the free buses), had loaned out 2 high earners to reduce wages (Rasiak and Skacel) and appointed a manager who was good at working with young players, was British, who had good knowledge and contacts in the English League, and understood that playing one up front was not the correct formula for home matches. In addition Crouch resolved the situation with hte Ted Bates statue, partly through his own financial input. He also was working with the only one of the Wilde Bunch who was actually any good, Lee Hoos. yes he made one mistake, giving Gorman and Dood a chance, a move that I personally thought was a wise decision at the time based on JG's record. If that is failure, then I would take failure any day over the mad experiments of Lowe and the Lap Dog.

 

Agreed..

[John B]

John

 

I do not know Lowey and there is no bias, I have clearly in my own eyes built up a catalogue of events surrounding SFC, Lowey and the running of this Football club business. The conlusion, I came to, a short while ago, was that once again, he was not going to be sucessful in the leadership of this club and should be replaced as soon as possible by a better equipped leader of the board.

 

But, John they are my assunptions and are quickly being proved absolutely right in my view. Finances are far worse...Time will tell sooner than later...

 

When you say I do not like Lowey, do I take it you know him/work for him or a contracted company or just good freinds with him and show support on this forum along with other associates/colleagues/freinds/like minded people...Above all else I do hope you are a true supporter of the Saints...I do mean genuine supporter.

 

You say he has not failed, YET.....Do we wait until falling off the Cliff before attempting to prevent the fall...

 

He has had more than a fair crack of the whip and change is now IMPERATIVE.

 

Yes you maybe right but who actually knows.

 

No never met Lowe but I do agree with his strategy - The Best Saints Teams mostly had a number of players brought up through the ranks .

 

I think Lowe looks at the long term but most managers think of the short term they are not bothered about what happens in next season. I am not certain that Crouch was planning for the future when he was in charge but Hone was as he was possibly expecting lots of dosh from SISU

Edited 12 November, 2008 by John B

[Gemmel]

No never met Lowe but I do agree with his strategy - The Best Saints Teams mostly had a number of players brought up through the ranks .

 

What teams or years would these be then :-?:-?:-?

 

Shearer, Le Tiss, Wallace probably played together at some point, but our best teams???????

[lordswoodsaints]

Please clarify how Crouch failed. He was in charge for less than 6 months (from Dec 2007). As yet we have seen no financials for this period (apart from a wooly trading statement), he had the backing of the Bank, had put plans in place to reduce expenditure (closing corners and cutting the free buses), had loaned out 2 high earners to reduce wages (Rasiak and Skacel) and appointed a manager who was good at working with young players, was British, who had good knowledge and contacts in the English League, and understood that playing one up front was not the correct formula for home matches. In addition Crouch resolved the situation with hte Ted Bates statue, partly through his own financial input. He also was working with the only one of the Wilde Bunch who was actually any good, Lee Hoos. yes he made one mistake, giving Gorman and Dood a chance, a move that I personally thought was a wise decision at the time based on JG's record. If that is failure, then I would take failure any day over the mad experiments of Lowe and the Lap Dog.

 

crouch was a failure because he failed to maintain his position,not once but twice.

i dont know what side of the fence that you sit with regards to lowe but im sure that lowe would have been hung,drawn and quartered if it was his idea to shut the corners and cancel the free bus rides.lowe has also loaned out most of the major earners yet gets crucified for it.

i am not a lowe supporter and equally i dont think much of crouch but if you tar lowe with the failure brush then the failure brush must also tar crouch.

 

oh,and i forgot to mention the whole Paul Allen thing that crouch was so eager to have on his cv that he failed to do some basic checks to see if it was the real deal.

Edited 12 November, 2008 by lordswoodsaints

[saintwarwick]

I must have blinked and missed those posts.

 

Who was claiming we were a top 4 club before Lowe rocked up?

 

 

 

9 seasons prior to Lowe 87/88 - 95/96 - Average position 13.8

 

9 seaons with Lowe 97/98 - 05/06 - Average position 15.2

 

I thought Lowe took over 1996/1997 season.

 

9 seasons prior to Lowe 87/88 - 95/96 - Average position 13.8

 

9 seasons with Lowe 96/97 - 2004/05 - Average position 13.4

[John B]

What teams or years would these be then :-?:-?:-?

 

Shearer, Le Tiss, Wallace probably played together at some point, but our best teams???????

 

 

 

v Leyton Orient May 9 1966

 

Forsyth Webb Hollywood White Knapp Walker Paine Chivers Dean Melia Sydenham - Five

 

v Man Utd 1 May 1976

 

Turner Rodriques Peach Holmes Blyth Steele Gilchrist Channon Osgood McCalliog Stokes -Three

 

v Leyton Orient 25 April 1978

 

Wells Andruszewski Peach Williams Nicholl Pickering (Hebberd) Ball Boyer MacDougall Holmes Funnell - Five

 

v Liverpool 28 Nov 1981

 

Katalinic Golac Holmes Williams Nicholl Waldron Keegan Channon Moran Armstrong Ball - Five

 

v Liverpool 21 October 1989

 

Flowers Dodd Benali Case Ruddock Osman Le Tissier ****erill Shearer Rideout Wallace - Four

 

 

By having very good players from our youth system allowed us to bring in a few top players whilst in the 2000s we had to virtually buy in a whole team of mostly second rate players. That is why I think it is important that our youngsters are given a chance. Channon was not that good when he first played but that of course soon changed

Edited 12 November, 2008 by John B

[um pahars]

I thought Lowe took over 1996/1997 season.

 

9 seasons prior to Lowe 87/88 - 95/96 - Average position 13.8

 

9 seasons with Lowe 96/97 - 2004/05 - Average position 13.4

 

The reverse takeover occured halfway through the 96/97 season so I never included it in either of the analyses.

 

And of course Lowe was here until 05/06 where we effectively finished 32nd!!!!!!!!!!

[John B]

I thought Lowe took over 1996/1997 season.

 

9 seasons prior to Lowe 87/88 - 95/96 - Average position 13.8

 

9 seasons with Lowe 96/97 - 2004/05 - Average position 13.4

 

There were less teams in the league during Lowes time

[dubai_phil]

What about this; The stay away fans (based on Lowe) nominate a single game that they will attend. (it would need some co-ordination) If the the attendance is up by 3000 at £24 a ticket a program and a beer thats £100k.

 

If the fans show the club that is what they are missing out on week in week out. He would be gone the next day.

 

Sorry Gemmel, I had a brain f*rt and posted an idea on YET ANOTHER CHANGE THE DECKCHAIRS THREAD. It was stupid of me, I should have remembered that nobody on here comes up with new ideas to solve the problem.

 

It shows exactly why nothing will work, not the "boycotts" not the return of Crouch. Wilde, even Jesus. Because simply put this forum is now only about repeating the same old arguments and moans.

 

It's a whingeing Pom thing, I wouldn't mind if sometimes it was different but it never really is. Everybody agrees it's wrong at the moment but all we ever see are interpretaions of why it got in that mess or "facts" trotted out to suit one side or the other.

 

There used to be a simple British management technique used by poor managers in large organisations - Divide & Rule. The more of these threads we post, the more the divisions are shown and the more we do what somebody wants of us.

 

Ho hum :smt076

 

Oh good point BTW Professor

[Delmary]

After we slowly but surely slipped from our top half of the table in Div 1 position of the early 80s we became regular relegation contenders throughout the 90s and had it not been for MLT would have certainly been relegated. Lowe managed to arrest this decline and get us back to being a top half table team under Hoddle and WGS (despite this period co-inciding with the decline of MLT's abilility on the pitch.)

 

However some seem to be re-writing history to make it appear we were a top 4 club when Lowe came to power in 97 and that he presided over a steady and measured decline to relegation by his nasty business first approach to football. This is of course total rubbish and up to the point WGS left there was no indication at all that we were anywhere near to the point of having to worry about the threat of relegation....

Please, stop being so Lowe obsessed;) You miss read my post.

 

The club survived a 112 years without Mr Lowe and I'm sure it will survive another 112years without him. I just trying to make the point that there are plenty of capable people who could run SFC well. Don't forget Lowe will not be around for ever.

[Mole]

If fans continue to stay away Lowe will not last the season.

 

Correct.