OldNick Posted 8 August, 2013 Share Posted 8 August, 2013 Other than you suggesting we sign a very average 30 year old L2 player and that your assumption that English players will have a better attachment to Saints over a foreign player (why do they need to be journeymen btw?), I don't have much of a problem with what you said. In your opinion he is an average L2 player. I have seen him play a few times and he was the best player on the pitch. He is also not a L2 player and was a Championship player until recently,and player of the season. His age is against him. Do you think that a foreign player cares for English clubs or more importantly the money? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxy Posted 8 August, 2013 Share Posted 8 August, 2013 I'm not sure that is something that is uniquely foreign, Nick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 8 August, 2013 Share Posted 8 August, 2013 In your opinion he is an average L2 player. I have seen him play a few times and he was the best player on the pitch. He is also not a L2 player and was a Championship player until recently,and player of the season. His age is against him. Do you think that a foreign player cares for English clubs or more importantly the money? There are very few players who grow up dreaming about playing for Saints. English players and foreign players will both move based on financial reasons and the opportunity to play at the highest level their ability allows them to. Maybe you should ask the question to the likes of Claus, Fonte, Niemi, Monkou etc instead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mowgli Posted 8 August, 2013 Share Posted 8 August, 2013 In your opinion he is an average L2 player. I have seen him play a few times and he was the best player on the pitch. He is also not a L2 player and was a Championship player until recently,and player of the season. His age is against him. Do you think that a foreign player cares for English clubs or more importantly the money? Its a new name to consider but averaging one goal every fifth or sixth game is not going to wing him many fans here. However, I do agree with you that having a predominance of English players is good for the future of the club - and indeed good for the future of English football! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken Tone Posted 8 August, 2013 Share Posted 8 August, 2013 You do know the reasons for most of them staying is they were playing at the largest clubs in teh World getting vast amounts of "filthy lucre" or playing at the highest level they could, Davis would have gone from no1 to a reserve keeper at the expense of uprooting his family and the end of his career. LeTissier was going to go to Spurs but bailed at the last minute, he was one of the last loyal footballers. Wasn't that because his then wife didn't want to move? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dellman Posted 8 August, 2013 Share Posted 8 August, 2013 MLT didn't like training and down at the Dell he was such a senior figure that he didn't need to do much, he had such talent but was lazy about it...what he could have been! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 8 August, 2013 Share Posted 8 August, 2013 Wasn't that because his then wife didn't want to move? Heard that, but then he ditched her for a newer model anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sanchez Posted 8 August, 2013 Share Posted 8 August, 2013 There are very few players who grow up dreaming about playing for Saints. English players and foreign players will both move based on financial reasons and the opportunity to play at the highest level their ability allows them to. Maybe you should ask the question to the likes of Claus, Fonte, Niemi, Monkou etc instead. We got Fonte from a team in a higher League, why did he come? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sanchez Posted 8 August, 2013 Share Posted 8 August, 2013 Wasn't that because his then wife didn't want to move? Possibly, we shall never know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KelvinsRightGlove Posted 8 August, 2013 Share Posted 8 August, 2013 (edited) We got Fonte from a team in a higher League, why did he come? He said at the time, he wanted to play in the Premiership - and believed we were his best way to do that. Also worth remembering that Palace were about to go into admin. Or, what is you answer? For the money? But I thought you have spent the last few weeks telling us that Cortese won't open his wallet to convince players from the next level (Champ to L1 probably has to be considered next level)? Even though you repeatedly tell us all how Gaston only came here for the money we were paying him? Is that a massive flaw in your 'logic'? Edited 8 August, 2013 by KelvinsRightGlove typo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 8 August, 2013 Share Posted 8 August, 2013 I'm not sure that is something that is uniquely foreign, NickNot unique but there more affinity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junior Mullet Posted 8 August, 2013 Share Posted 8 August, 2013 Heard that, but then he ditched her for a newer model anyway. Nope, in his words he had signed the contract but there was a change at Spurs and the deal was never completed. When he told me and a a room full at an after dinner speech he didnt mention his missus once. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sanchez Posted 8 August, 2013 Share Posted 8 August, 2013 He said at the time, he wanted to play in the Premiership - and believed we were his best way to do that. Also worth remembering that Palace were about to go into admin. Or, what is you answer? For the money? But I thought you have spent the last few weeks telling us that Cortese won't open his wallet to convince players from the next level (Champ to L1 probably has to be considered next level)? Even though you repeatedly tell us all how Gaston only came here for the money we were paying him? Is that a massive flaw in your 'logic'? Palace are now in the Premeirship. Ramirez did only go to Southampton for the money, he admitted it himself, it obvious the Cortese offered far more than others, no conflict there, pretty obvious, we will have to do it again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 8 August, 2013 Share Posted 8 August, 2013 Palace are now in the Premeirship. Ramirez did only go to Southampton for the money, he admitted it himself, it obvious the Cortese offered far more than others, no conflict there, pretty obvious, we will have to do it again. But Fonte didn't know that was going to happen - and even when it did, it happened a season AFTER it did for Saints, so his move was justified after all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sanchez Posted 8 August, 2013 Share Posted 8 August, 2013 (edited) Fonte didn't know we were going to go up either, in fact earlier than predicted if you believe the 5 year plan. Edited 8 August, 2013 by Barry Sanchez Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 8 August, 2013 Share Posted 8 August, 2013 Fonte didn't know we were going to go up either, in fact earlier than predicted if you belive the 5 year plan. Irrelevant, he believed Saints had a better chance of getting to the Prem than Palace and has since been proven right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sanchez Posted 8 August, 2013 Share Posted 8 August, 2013 Irrelevant, he believed Saints had a better chance of getting to the Prem than Palace and has since been proven right. Its not irrelevent at all, its the whole bloody point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KelvinsRightGlove Posted 8 August, 2013 Share Posted 8 August, 2013 Fonte didn't know we were going to go up either, in fact earlier than predicted if you believe the 5 year plan. But he did know they were lower-half of the championship & about to go into administration. In comparison, we had been recently taken over, had a manager with decent experience at a higher level and were spending large amounts relative to our league placing. Ramirez also didn't say he came here solely for the money. So just stop trying to peddle that myth. How exactly can you saying Ramirez came for the money, whilst also insinuating Fonte came for the money, and then repeatedly claim Cortese is too tight to open his wallet for next level players? That is a contradiction in terms Barry. Try and claim it isn't, but anyone with the slightest bit of intelligence can see how pathetic and weak this argument is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KelvinsRightGlove Posted 8 August, 2013 Share Posted 8 August, 2013 Its not irrelevent at all, its the whole bloody point. Well, they had a league headstart on us, and we still got there first. We also survived our first year in the Prem, which they look rather unlikely to do. If you think our transfers were bad - Dwight Gayle for £8m? Kevin Phillips? They are no hopers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sanchez Posted 8 August, 2013 Share Posted 8 August, 2013 Well, they had a league headstart on us, and we still got there first. We also survived our first year in the Prem, which they look rather unlikely to do. If you think our transfers were bad - Dwight Gayle for £8m? Kevin Phillips? They are no hopers. I think Kevin Philips played an important role in getting them there dont you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KelvinsRightGlove Posted 8 August, 2013 Share Posted 8 August, 2013 I think Kevin Philips played an important role in getting them there dont you? Is a 40 year old Kevin Phillips the sort of signing that is likely to keep them up? WHat would your reaction have been if that was a Nic/Les signing eh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sanchez Posted 8 August, 2013 Share Posted 8 August, 2013 Is a 40 year old Kevin Phillips the sort of signing that is likely to keep them up? WHat would your reaction have been if that was a Nic/Les signing eh? No he got them up didn't he? That was my point, I'm not too sure how much game time he shall have this year. Fonte is not a Premiership defender in my opinion either, how many centre backs have we bought now to replace him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 8 August, 2013 Share Posted 8 August, 2013 Gaston did partially come for the money - but he also mentioned that we wanted to build a team around him and he wanted to be a key part in a team. I don't believe that we offered him something that Spurs/Liverpool couldn't afford. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintmonkey1979 Posted 8 August, 2013 Share Posted 8 August, 2013 No he got them up didn't he? That was my point, I'm not too sure how much game time he shall have this year. Fonte is not a Premiership defender in my opinion either, how many centre backs have we bought now to replace him? To my knowledge, the club have never said that signings were made to replace anyone. It is only supposition from sections of the fan base that says otherwise. Signings are made to strengthen the squad and provide competition for places. So in answer to your question, we have signed zero centre backs to replace Fonte. Hope this helps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy_D Posted 8 August, 2013 Share Posted 8 August, 2013 In your opinion he is an average L2 player. I have seen him play a few times and he was the best player on the pitch. He is also not a L2 player and was a Championship player until recently,and player of the season. His age is against him. Do you think that a foreign player cares for English clubs or more importantly the money? Morgan stayed with us because he wanted to 'put right' that we'd been relegated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sanchez Posted 8 August, 2013 Share Posted 8 August, 2013 To my knowledge, the club have never said that signings were made to replace anyone. It is only supposition from sections of the fan base that says otherwise. Signings are made to strengthen the squad and provide competition for places. So in answer to your question, we have signed zero centre backs to replace Fonte. Hope this helps. So if a better or supposed better player is bought and becomes and established part of the 1st team, has he replaced someone or are we playing with 12 men? Lovren has been signed to replace someone, you wouldn't sign a player for £8 Million to merely strengthen a squad, you would want him to play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintmonkey1979 Posted 8 August, 2013 Share Posted 8 August, 2013 So if a better or supposed better player is bought and becomes and established part of the 1st team, has he replaced someone or are we playing with 12 men? Lovren has been signed to replace someone, you wouldn't sign a player for £8 Million to merely strengthen a squad, you would want him to play. So are you now saying that if Fonte or anyone else up their game or improves, Lovren should still be played in preference as he cost more and was bought to replace? It seems a very simplistic and short sighted veiw to me if I'm honest. To replace suggests that the player to be replaced is surplus to requirements. This doesn't seem to be the case here. I would rather team selection was made based on form rather than transfer fee and perceived squad roles. I mean no offence, but I'm relieved that our management team seem to be more open minded and realistic in football matters. All my opinion though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slickmick Posted 8 August, 2013 Share Posted 8 August, 2013 Can someone point me in the right direction to find the thread about Leandro Damiao ? Just wondering if he is or isn't likely to sign. Thanking you in advance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 8 August, 2013 Share Posted 8 August, 2013 Can someone point me in the right direction to find the thread about Leandro Damiao ? Just wondering if he is or isn't likely to sign. Thanking you in advance. he isn't likely to sign is the current mood of the assembled masses on TSW. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 8 August, 2013 Share Posted 8 August, 2013 he isn't likely to sign is the current mood of the assembled masses on TSW. He isnt likely to sign is the current mood of Leandro Damiao as we lack ambition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 8 August, 2013 Share Posted 8 August, 2013 He isnt likely to sign is the current mood of Leandro Damiao as we lack ambition. Yes I saw that, he's probably just trying to be polite instead of saying we lack status. Something we need to overcome in future years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatch Posted 8 August, 2013 Share Posted 8 August, 2013 Yes I saw that, he's probably just trying to be polite instead of saying we lack status. Something we need to overcome in future years. We have Englands Number 9! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sydneysaint Posted 16 August, 2013 Share Posted 16 August, 2013 Dead? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pangy Posted 16 August, 2013 Share Posted 16 August, 2013 Died when he said he wants to join a club with more ambition Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonnyLove Posted 16 August, 2013 Share Posted 16 August, 2013 We have Englands Number 9! Um England's number 20 I thank you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beavis17 Posted 17 August, 2013 Share Posted 17 August, 2013 http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/liverpool-transfers-leandro-damiao-target-2179735 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lazlo78 Posted 17 December, 2013 Share Posted 17 December, 2013 Gone to Internacional's rivals Santos for €13M: http://msn.foxsports.com/foxsoccer/latinamerica/story/brazil-star-damiao-joins-santos-from-internacional-121713 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorgiesaint Posted 19 March, 2016 Share Posted 19 March, 2016 Just watching the Real Betis v Malaga game on Sky and I see Leandro Damiao has signed for Betis on 6 month contract. Think this might have been his first game for them as he only joined last month. Didn't seem to be up to speed so probably a bit unfair to judge him just on one game. Be interesting to see how he gets on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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