How would we be better without Lowe (this time!)

[NickG]

Looking at the poll on Jan, just over 50% of us have confidence in him -so if we accept that he was cheap and the fans are reasonably confident in him then that appointment is not a disaster (at the moment).

 

What has Lowe done wrong this time?

 

Interested in views but accept two things perhaps for other debates

1) his history (management appointments, aloof etc)

2) because of the above divides fans and causes negativity.

 

 

Genuinely interested, particularly for the staunch Lowe out posters, why we should campaign to get him out, or is the history enough without accpeting he is hear now so lets see how his 2nd chance goes?

[Mr X]

I think its best we just agree that he divides the fans always has and always will, and leave it at that

[londonsaint1604]

I think its best we just agree that he divides the fans always has and always will, and leave it at that

 

I don't agree to that.

[Wes Tender]

What is the damning indictment of Poortvliet is that half of the fans posting on here do not think that he is doing a decent job.

 

As for Lowe, sufficient that he is badly devisive of the fan base is reason enough, although why he is able to impose his bizarre policies on us with just 6% of the shares is a travesty. Of course, he can only manage that with the support of those others discredited by their immoral dealings at the time of the reverse takeover and the other despised major shareholder who did not have the moral fibre to stick to his principles when he last ousted Lowe.

 

It isn't just Lowe that many want gone; it is all of them.

[Wade Garrett]

15000 crowds tell you it's time for him to go.

 

Too divisive by half, and by and large his judgement regarding managers is appalling. I don't like his policies regarding player recruitment either. It would seem he would rather have 4 crap players on low wages than 1 decent player on good wages.

 

I don't like his arrogance and refusal to take any blame either.

[Wes Tender]

I don't agree to that.

 

If you believe that the fan base is united, then you are deluding yourself.

[SaintDonkey]

He divides the fans and should go for that alone. Having said that I think Crouch's return would be a mistake and we need a clean break for Crouch and for the club and I can't see any other options at the moment. Why are there never any billionaire's around when you need them?

[londonsaint1604]

If you believe that the fan base is united, then you are deluding yourself.

 

I was only joking. Although in my opinion if Lowe is divisive that's the fault of the fans themselves. Get over it ffs, Lowe is in charge and will be for the foreseeable future. If you care about Southampton FC then you should forget about the **** in charge and concentrate on the football, and the lads playing, because that's what it's all about.

[corky morris]

Personally believe that Lowe has absolutely no integrity. Everything he has done right from reversing a nursing home into Southampton was for his own selfish benefit. Immoral dividends & share buy backs where he was the chief beneficiary were the end for me.

I voted that i had confidence in JP. Not because i agreed with his appointment, but because any manager needs at least 12 months to show their worth. Compare what he has to work with & what Wigley & Grey did then you can see he has a greater understanding of the game. Couple that with the Lowe imposed player boundaries & the guy is on a hiding to nothing.

What he has done is shown a decent level of humility & understanding of supporters views (with the exception of DMcG). For that we owe him more time.

[Toomer]

What is the damning indictment of Poortvliet is that half of the fans posting on here do not think that he is doing a decent job.

 

As for Lowe, sufficient that he is badly devisive of the fan base is reason enough, although why he is able to impose his bizarre policies on us with just 6% of the shares is a travesty. Of course, he can only manage that with the support of those others discredited by their immoral dealings at the time of the reverse takeover and the other despised major shareholder who did not have the moral fibre to stick to his principles when he last ousted Lowe.

 

It isn't just Lowe that many want gone; it is all of them.

 

 

Wes that has saved me puting my thoughts into words, I am sure a part time poster will have another view.

[Give it to Ron]

I was only joking. Although in my opinion if Lowe is divisive that's the fault of the fans themselves. Get over it ffs, Lowe is in charge and will be for the foreseeable future. If you care about Southampton FC then you should forget about the **** in charge and concentrate on the football, and the lads playing, because that's what it's all about.

 

Hmm Ok I agree in principle that there is not a lot we can do and HAVE to support the team but why do we have to have Dutch experiments and do things no other things other clubs try in really important seasons?

Why SCW ? Why JP and Wotte in a season when we knew most of the senior players were out of contract and had to cut our cloth?

Why does he have to be the figurehead when he could of put in his own man to run things and not alienate the fan base and lose even more customers even if its just 10x£500 which would of been enough to keep on the tea lady.

[Long Shot]

Looking at the poll on Jan, just over 50% of us have confidence in him -so if we accept that he was cheap and the fans are reasonably confident in him then that appointment is not a disaster (at the moment).

 

What has Lowe done wrong this time?

 

Interested in views but accept two things perhaps for other debates

1) his history (management appointments, aloof etc)

2) because of the above divides fans and causes negativity.

 

 

Genuinely interested, particularly for the staunch Lowe out posters, why we should campaign to get him out, or is the history enough without accpeting he is hear now so lets see how his 2nd chance goes?

 

Too much interference in footballing matters is my biggest concern

[John Smith]

Lowe has come back, and with his returning business acumen, has been nothing short of a miracle worker! Without him, where would we be financially? We'd be potless and at the mercy of the banks and have administration looming large.

 

As for the divisiveness amongst fans, I don't see it? As far as Rupert and the true fans of Saints are concerned, everything is going to plan. The rest of those that used to frequent SMS, were rightly identified by Lowe as the 'lunatic fringe'.

 

There is no room for division amongst the true fans of SFC and the only answer is to fully get behind everything that Lowe says and does. JP was a master stroke and nobody could do it more cheaply than him and Wotte and those other five assistants. And as for the playing staff, I'm glad to have ridden Saints of journeymen such as John, Rasiak and Saga, much prefer the lively youth up front such as DMG and Jordan Robertson!

 

As Lowe said at the beginning of the season, we should be aiming for the play offs, and after a successful Christmas run of games, I can't see why that isn't a possibility. So all those negative stay awayers will miss out on our promotion push. They'll all come flooding back though, once we return to the Prem, bloody lunatic fringe!

[SaintRobbie]

I was only joking. Although in my opinion if Lowe is divisive that's the fault of the fans themselves. Get over it ffs, Lowe is in charge and will be for the foreseeable future. If you care about Southampton FC then you should forget about the **** in charge and concentrate on the football, and the lads playing, because that's what it's all about.

 

I think the vast majority of fans are good judges of character. He divides the club from shareholders and boardroom downwards, he interfers, he is acting as a Director of football - a post he is nether qualified for or any good at, he WILL turn the media against us once more as they hate him as much as we do, he is on the take and not interested in the pride of Southampton, he is arrogant, foolish but you know what is more important than all that...

 

HE IS A LOSER. CONFIRMED LOSER. AND HIS PRESENCE CONTINUES TO BREED DISCONTENT AND A LOSING MENTALITY.

 

Get this man out of the club. FOREVER. We are going down... AGAIN... under this loser's (lack of) leadership and ability.

[bridge too far]

Lowe has come back, and with his returning business acumen, has been nothing short of a miracle worker! Without him, where would we be financially? We'd be potless and at the mercy of the banks and have administration looming large.

 

As for the divisiveness amongst fans, I don't see it? As far as Rupert and the true fans of Saints are concerned, everything is going to plan. The rest of those that used to frequent SMS, were rightly identified by Lowe as the 'lunatic fringe'.

 

There is no room for division amongst the true fans of SFC and the only answer is to fully get behind everything that Lowe says and does. JP was a master stroke and nobody could do it more cheaply than him and Wotte and those other five assistants. And as for the playing staff, I'm glad to have ridden Saints of journeymen such as John, Rasiak and Saga, much prefer the lively youth up front such as DMG and Jordan Robertson!

 

As Lowe said at the beginning of the season, we should be aiming for the play offs, and after a successful Christmas run of games, I can't see why that isn't a possibility. So all those negative stay awayers will miss out on our promotion push. They'll all come flooding back though, once we return to the Prem, bloody lunatic fringe!

 

Crikey mate - can I have some of what you're drinking / smoking please?

[Legod Third Coming]

What is the damning indictment of Poortvliet is that half of the fans posting on here do not think that he is doing a decent job.

 

As for Lowe, sufficient that he is badly devisive of the fan base is reason enough, although why he is able to impose his bizarre policies on us with just 6% of the shares is a travesty. Of course, he can only manage that with the support of those others discredited by their immoral dealings at the time of the reverse takeover and the other despised major shareholder who did not have the moral fibre to stick to his principles when he last ousted Lowe.

 

It isn't just Lowe that many want gone; it is all of them.

 

Your first bit I don't buy. To be four points above relegation and have 50% support on a board that has a predaliction for anti-establishment thinking (and JP is an embodiment of Lowe in that regard) is actually worth 75% on the open market in my book!

 

As for Lowe being divisive and driving fans away, why are peple struggling to get tickets for Saturday's game and Manchester United then??

 

And for the record I am NO Lowe supporter - far from it.

 

I agree with the fella that said fans divide fans. And I wonder how many people would be really, really ****ed off if Jan won the league and Rupert was vindicated??

 

For my money, I agree with Corky and where I have no time for the bloke is that he earned a decent living in the good times. now it's payback and I want him to put his hand in his pocket just as a I do.

 

My business is going through a tough time (who's isnt - liars!!!!!) so I have reduced my salary, bunged more of my own cash in and ensured that everyone can survive until the good times roll again. THAT is what I want to hear from a board of a company.

[SaintRobbie]

Lowe has come back, and with his returning business acumen, has been nothing short of a miracle worker! Without him, where would we be financially? We'd be potless and at the mercy of the banks and have administration looming large.

 

As for the divisiveness amongst fans, I don't see it? As far as Rupert and the true fans of Saints are concerned, everything is going to plan. The rest of those that used to frequent SMS, were rightly identified by Lowe as the 'lunatic fringe'.

 

There is no room for division amongst the true fans of SFC and the only answer is to fully get behind everything that Lowe says and does. JP was a master stroke and nobody could do it more cheaply than him and Wotte and those other five assistants. And as for the playing staff, I'm glad to have ridden Saints of journeymen such as John, Rasiak and Saga, much prefer the lively youth up front such as DMG and Jordan Robertson!

 

As Lowe said at the beginning of the season, we should be aiming for the play offs, and after a successful Christmas run of games, I can't see why that isn't a possibility. So all those negative stay awayers will miss out on our promotion push. They'll all come flooding back though, once we return to the Prem, bloody lunatic fringe!

 

Oh my god. This post in itself shows division... ironic isnt it that a supporting post for Lowe in itself causes division and debate.

 

That should tel you all you need to know John. GET LOWE OUT NOW.

[corky morris]

We are potless. At least Wilde & Crouch paid for their shares out of their own pockets. Lowes were acquired from the income he derived from relegating SFC. The same income that was supplemented by paying immoral dividends & share buy backs.

I wonder if he will de-list the club like Sheff U?

Did you know that Millwall has a greater market cap than SFC. Or it is valued greater than SFC! Great chairmanship that!

 

 

Lowe has come back, and with his returning business acumen, has been nothing short of a miracle worker! Without him, where would we be financially? We'd be potless and at the mercy of the banks and have administration looming large.

 

As for the divisiveness amongst fans, I don't see it? As far as Rupert and the true fans of Saints are concerned, everything is going to plan. The rest of those that used to frequent SMS, were rightly identified by Lowe as the 'lunatic fringe'.

 

There is no room for division amongst the true fans of SFC and the only answer is to fully get behind everything that Lowe says and does. JP was a master stroke and nobody could do it more cheaply than him and Wotte and those other five assistants. And as for the playing staff, I'm glad to have ridden Saints of journeymen such as John, Rasiak and Saga, much prefer the lively youth up front such as DMG and Jordan Robertson!

 

As Lowe said at the beginning of the season, we should be aiming for the play offs, and after a successful Christmas run of games, I can't see why that isn't a possibility. So all those negative stay awayers will miss out on our promotion push. They'll all come flooding back though, once we return to the Prem, bloody lunatic fringe!

[Chap in the Chapel]

Lowe has come back, and with his returning business acumen, has been nothing short of a miracle worker! Without him, where would we be financially? We'd be potless and at the mercy of the banks and have administration looming large.

 

As for the divisiveness amongst fans, I don't see it? As far as Rupert and the true fans of Saints are concerned, everything is going to plan. The rest of those that used to frequent SMS, were rightly identified by Lowe as the 'lunatic fringe'.

 

There is no room for division amongst the true fans of SFC and the only answer is to fully get behind everything that Lowe says and does. JP was a master stroke and nobody could do it more cheaply than him and Wotte and those other five assistants. And as for the playing staff, I'm glad to have ridden Saints of journeymen such as John, Rasiak and Saga, much prefer the lively youth up front such as DMG and Jordan Robertson!

 

As Lowe said at the beginning of the season, we should be aiming for the play offs, and after a successful Christmas run of games, I can't see why that isn't a possibility. So all those negative stay awayers will miss out on our promotion push. They'll all come flooding back though, once we return to the Prem, bloody lunatic fringe!

 

I strongly suspect that Mr Smith is posting with his tongue solidly in his cheek!

[Fowllyd]

Lowe has come back, and with his returning business acumen, has been nothing short of a miracle worker! Without him, where would we be financially? We'd be potless and at the mercy of the banks and have administration looming large.

 

As for the divisiveness amongst fans, I don't see it? As far as Rupert and the true fans of Saints are concerned, everything is going to plan. The rest of those that used to frequent SMS, were rightly identified by Lowe as the 'lunatic fringe'.

 

There is no room for division amongst the true fans of SFC and the only answer is to fully get behind everything that Lowe says and does. JP was a master stroke and nobody could do it more cheaply than him and Wotte and those other five assistants. And as for the playing staff, I'm glad to have ridden Saints of journeymen such as John, Rasiak and Saga, much prefer the lively youth up front such as DMG and Jordan Robertson!

 

As Lowe said at the beginning of the season, we should be aiming for the play offs, and after a successful Christmas run of games, I can't see why that isn't a possibility. So all those negative stay awayers will miss out on our promotion push. They'll all come flooding back though, once we return to the Prem, bloody lunatic fringe!

 

Oh my god. This post in itself shows division... ironic isnt it that a supporting post for Lowe in itself causes division and debate.

 

That should tel you all you need to know John. GET LOWE OUT NOW.

 

Robbie, you need to check your irony meter, it's malfunctioning. No, on second thoughts, you need to replace your sarcasm-laid-on-with-a-shovel meter, it's totally kaput!

[offix]

I strongly suspect that Mr Smith is posting with his tongue solidly in his cheek!

 

If not, than at least without any sense of reality

[Wes Tender]

I was only joking.

 

Some say that as much as 65% of communication is non-verbal. As a result, it is often difficult to know when somebody had a smirk on their faces when they conveyed their thoughts on here. That is why these little things were invented :cool:

 

I ought to say exactly the same things about the post from John Smith too, because anybody who has read his posts in the past few months would know that he had given up attending all home matches as a matter of principle whilst Lowe remains in charge. Therefore, I think that I am right in thinking that his post was laden with sarcasm, although some have taken it as face value as being supportive of Lowe, which I'm sure would horrify him.

[SaintRobbie]

Robbie, you need to check your irony meter, it's malfunctioning. No, on second thoughts, you need to replace your sarcasm-laid-on-with-a-shovel meter, it's totally kaput!

 

LOL - you're probably right!

[NickG]

In replies so far, the main criticisms are what he did in his previous tenure or how he divides the fans (not belittling either).

 

There is very little that anyone is raising about this time.

 

15000 crowds tell you it's time for him to go.

 

Too divisive by half, and by and large his judgement regarding managers is appalling. I don't like his policies regarding player recruitment either. It would seem he would rather have 4 crap players on low wages than 1 decent player on good wages.I don't like his arrogance and refusal to take any blame either.

 

that is a fair point -I do wonder about the likes of Pulis. But also remember the stick he got for two Lowe signings; Schneiderlin and Holmes. Schneiderlin was a waste of money (and lightweight according to Alpine:rolleyes:) and Holmes was slated as poor standard. Cork has been good addition as well.

 

Too much interference in footballing matters is my biggest concern

 

concern yes, but true? Who knows. Even the poster who started the lengthy thread about team talk admitted it was mischief making.

[John Smith]

In replies so far, the main criticisms are what he did in his previous tenure or how he divides the fans (not belittling either).

 

There is very little that anyone is raising about this time.

 

 

 

that is a fair point -I do wonder about the likes of Pulis. But also remember the stick he got for two Lowe signings; Schneiderlin and Holmes. Schneiderlin was a waste of money (and lightweight according to Alpine:rolleyes:) and Holmes was slated as poor standard. Cork has been good addition as well.

 

 

 

concern yes, but true? Who knows. Even the poster who started the lengthy thread about team talk admitted it was mischief making.

 

Lowe worked tirelessly in the pre-season, to bring in these guys. We had no money but still Lowe managed to convince the banks that Spiderman was a worthy purchase. If I remember rightly, Saints were one of, if not the top, summer spenders in this division, this closed season. We also got some good freebies and masterful loanee's. JP, has been the conductor of Lowes masterpiece and has been influential in getting the team to gel together. JP's knowledge of other leagues is second to none and spotting the likes of Spiderman was brilliant. Getting in Cork, a virtual unknown, also ran at Chelsea, and getting him playing like a thoroughbred, was exceptional.

 

As for tinkering in team affairs, I doubt it. We all know that Lowe is only paid for 2 days a week, he wouldn't give his time on a Saturday PLUS business input for free. We are just lucky that Lowe attends on Saturdays, after all, not being paid to do so, he doesn't have to. It's not as though him turning up costs Saints any more money! And even if he did impart his knowledge of the English game onto JP, you can't deny he knows what he's talking about, he's been heavily involved in the game for 10 years plus, JP would surely welcome his knowledge.

 

Lowe is not devisive, he is THE most experienced employee at SFC, we should listen to him more often - IE Hoddle!

[View From The Top]

Looking at the poll on Jan, just over 50% of us have confidence in him -so if we accept that he was cheap and the fans are reasonably confident in him then that appointment is not a disaster (at the moment).

 

What has Lowe done wrong this time?

 

Interested in views but accept two things perhaps for other debates

1) his history (management appointments, aloof etc)

2) because of the above divides fans and causes negativity.

 

 

Genuinely interested, particularly for the staunch Lowe out posters, why we should campaign to get him out, or is the history enough without accpeting he is hear now so lets see how his 2nd chance goes?

 

If Lowe wasn't here we'd have way less of you sycophantic, arse licking, I love Lowe boll oxs to read.

[NickG]

If Lowe wasn't here we'd have way less of you sycophantic, arse licking, I love Lowe boll oxs to read.

 

illiterate

[70's Mike]

Your first bit I don't buy. To be four points above relegation and have 50% support on a board that has a predaliction for anti-establishment thinking (and JP is an embodiment of Lowe in that regard) is actually worth 75% on the open market in my book!

 

As for Lowe being divisive and driving fans away, why are peple struggling to get tickets for Saturday's game and Manchester United then??

 

And for the record I am NO Lowe supporter - far from it.

 

I agree with the fella that said fans divide fans. And I wonder how many people would be really, really ****ed off if Jan won the league and Rupert was vindicated??

 

For my money, I agree with Corky and where I have no time for the bloke is that he earned a decent living in the good times. now it's payback and I want him to put his hand in his pocket just as a I do.

 

My business is going through a tough time (who's isnt - liars!!!!!) so I have reduced my salary, bunged more of my own cash in and ensured that everyone can survive until the good times roll again. THAT is what I want to hear from a board of a company.

 

Your Paragraph sums up , imo, what is wrong with SLH.

Some will say that is what happens in a Plc rather than a Private Company but, again imo, we have never been run as a PLC.

[70's Mike]

Lowe worked tirelessly in the pre-season, to bring in these guys. We had no money but still Lowe managed to convince the banks that Spiderman was a worthy purchase. If I remember rightly, Saints were one of, if not the top, summer spenders in this division, this closed season. We also got some good freebies and masterful loanee's. JP, has been the conductor of Lowes masterpiece and has been influential in getting the team to gel together. JP's knowledge of other leagues is second to none and spotting the likes of Spiderman was brilliant. Getting in Cork, a virtual unknown, also ran at Chelsea, and getting him playing like a thoroughbred, was exceptional.

 

As for tinkering in team affairs, I doubt it. We all know that Lowe is only paid for 2 days a week, he wouldn't give his time on a Saturday PLUS business input for free. We are just lucky that Lowe attends on Saturdays, after all, not being paid to do so, he doesn't have to. It's not as though him turning up costs Saints any more money! And even if he did impart his knowledge of the English game onto JP, you can't deny he knows what he's talking about, he's been heavily involved in the game for 10 years plus, JP would surely welcome his knowledge.

 

Lowe is not devisive, he is THE most experienced employee at SFC, we should listen to him more often - IE Hoddle!

 

ARE you Dalek

[NickG]

thought poster reminded me of someone!

[John Smith]

thought poster reminded me of someone!

 

No one of the sort. I understand that some of you 'I hate him but there is no one better' gang, can't see the brilliance of the guy. We had NO money when he came back, we've had to sell all of our experienced players, and on a shoestring, turned to the academy and bled some fine examples of Englands future.

 

Glenn Hoddle is currently doing something similar at HIS academy. Lowe obviously saw this in him and thought that he would be the best man to bring the youngsters through. JP is second choice, but only narrowly so. Pearson was not even in the picture, he couldn't manage a bunch of toddlers, let alone the youngsters of the future!

 

But at least I agree with you on the point that NOBODY else could do a better job than Lowe, this time or last. By hook or by crook, he got involved in SFC. He obviously saw it as a great business venture and dreamed of turning it from a Prem also ran into the football club of the future. In doing so, creating loyal, lifelong customers for the brand and eventually going global. The 2 years or so that he has had out, has done nothing other than re-ignite that flame, and we can clearly see that we are on the right path to achieving this 15 year plan goal. A steady churn of academy players, funding the first team, providing a dividend and paying for a full time chairman and other paid executives that are waiting in the wings to help steer this company to greater profits in the future.

 

I can only look to his success's in other business, such as WH Ireland, to show that the man is pure genius, getting involved in the banking world so heavily, just as the bottom fell out of the market, and still e manages to stay clear of bad publicity and return profits, whilst trimming the employee wage bill. If it weren't for Lowe, and his business brilliance, we would never have cut any of the costs that we did, which, has helped us go from strength to strength.

 

Like you Nick, I share this 10 year dream, Lowe is here for the long term and the rest of the' lunatic fringe' want results now, well, they'll be coming back in their droves in 5 years time, when we reap the fruits of our labour, from the seeds we sow today.

[Long Shot]

In replies so far, the main criticisms are what he did in his previous tenure or how he divides the fans (not belittling either).

 

There is very little that anyone is raising about this time.

 

 

 

that is a fair point -I do wonder about the likes of Pulis. But also remember the stick he got for two Lowe signings; Schneiderlin and Holmes. Schneiderlin was a waste of money (and lightweight according to Alpine:rolleyes:) and Holmes was slated as poor standard. Cork has been good addition as well.

 

 

 

concern yes, but true? Who knows. Even the poster who started the lengthy thread about team talk admitted it was mischief making.

 

True? I hear enough about life at St Marys to be convinced! Not expecting anyone else to believe me though.

[NickG]

no disrespect but the only info on this last time turned out to be false, and the situation very much otherwise

[benjii]

No one of the sort. I understand that some of you 'I hate him but there is no one better' gang, can't see the brilliance of the guy. We had NO money when he came back, we've had to sell all of our experienced players, and on a shoestring, turned to the academy and bled some fine examples of Englands future.

 

Glenn Hoddle is currently doing something similar at HIS academy. Lowe obviously saw this in him and thought that he would be the best man to bring the youngsters through. JP is second choice, but only narrowly so. Pearson was not even in the picture, he couldn't manage a bunch of toddlers, let alone the youngsters of the future!

 

But at least I agree with you on the point that NOBODY else could do a better job than Lowe, this time or last. By hook or by crook, he got involved in SFC. He obviously saw it as a great business venture and dreamed of turning it from a Prem also ran into the football club of the future. In doing so, creating loyal, lifelong customers for the brand and eventually going global. The 2 years or so that he has had out, has done nothing other than re-ignite that flame, and we can clearly see that we are on the right path to achieving this 15 year plan goal. A steady churn of academy players, funding the first team, providing a dividend and paying for a full time chairman and other paid executives that are waiting in the wings to help steer this company to greater profits in the future.

 

I can only look to his success's in other business, such as WH Ireland, to show that the man is pure genius, getting involved in the banking world so heavily, just as the bottom fell out of the market, and still e manages to stay clear of bad publicity and return profits, whilst trimming the employee wage bill. If it weren't for Lowe, and his business brilliance, we would never have cut any of the costs that we did, which, has helped us go from strength to strength.

 

Like you Nick, I share this 10 year dream, Lowe is here for the long term and the rest of the' lunatic fringe' want results now, well, they'll be coming back in their droves in 5 years time, when we reap the fruits of our labour, from the seeds we sow today.

 

 

Good stuff.

[VectisSaint]

Looking at the poll on Jan, just over 50% of us have confidence in him -so if we accept that he was cheap and the fans are reasonably confident in him then that appointment is not a disaster (at the moment).

 

Trouble is the Poll was flawed. Read the question carefully. Do you have ANY confidence in JP. So 50% have some confidence in JP, that SOME can range from I have a little tiny bit of confidence to I have total confidence. The more damning statistic is that just about 50% have NO confidence. the poll would have been more useable if it had a range of options, such as None, Some, Quite a lot, Total, for instance.

 

I think I voted for NO, what Lowe has done wrong is make a decision to coach young, inexperienced people with a coach totally inexperienced in this country, in the league we are in and with the players at his disposal. What Lowe should have done was say, right the path we are going down is using young players with little or no experience, but backed by a small number of experienced players to give some guidance and backbone, much the same as is being done, and for this I will appoint a coach who knows the English game, has some experience in the CCC and is good working with young players. There are just too many imponerables in the current set up.

 

Now who would have fitted the bill for the right way to do things. I know, Nigel Pearson :mad: Great with kids, knows the English game inside out, has worked with some of the most respected managers around, and some experience of the CCC. On top of that he is also a young British manager, which has always been Lowe's mantra in the past, but conveniently in this case he dropped that criteria when it mattered most.

 

That is what Lowe did wrong. I quite like JP, but he was not the right choice for what Lowe wanted to do.

[aintforever]

I think with Lowe relegation is a certainty, if not this season then next or the one after. His lack of affinity with the game and his arrogance will always be his downfall.

 

There is no point in a Lowe out campaign beause there is no one else interested, we just have to wait until someone with money comes along, probably after admin.

[Long Shot]

no disrespect but the only info on this last time turned out to be false, and the situation very much otherwise

 

 

Bit sweeping Nick - not how I remember it. I recall someone claiming a photo was doctored (it wasn't) and I remember the words of McGoldrick.

I am 100% certain Lowe is taking footballing decisions and no matter how good they maybe, until my dying day I will maintain the role of Chair and manager must be kept separate (a bit like the separation of powers in the unwritten British Constitution).

[Legod Third Coming]

I think with Lowe relegation is a certainty, if not this season then next or the one after. His lack of affinity with the game and his arrogance will always be his downfall.

 

There is no point in a Lowe out campaign beause there is no one else interested, we just have to wait until someone with money comes along, probably after admin.

 

 

That is exactly what I thought, on my way home from Cardiff and Bucharest...

 

What has happened in Southampton?

 

Has the population been superceded by goldfish?

 

Thank God I live in London these days where they have Boris to watch out for those piscean invasions...

[aintforever]

That is exactly what I thought, on my way home from Cardiff and Bucharest...

 

What has happened in Southampton?

 

Has the population been superceded by goldfish?

 

Thank God I live in London these days where they have Boris to watch out for those piscean invasions...

 

Why do people bang on about Cardiff and Bucharest like they we two different achievments?

 

We got a lucky cup run, got dicked in the final, qualified for Europe through the back door and got dumped out in the first round. Exactly what Millwall did a year later - in footballing in terms we achieved pretty much **** all.

[Legod Third Coming]

Why do people bang on about Cardiff and Bucharest like they we two different achievments?

 

We got a lucky cup run, got dicked in the final, qualified for Europe through the back door and got dumped out in the first round. Exactly what Millwall did a year later - in footballing in terms we achieved pretty much **** all.

 

Oh good, the luck debate.

 

So, guess what? A year later we got unlucky with some results and got relegated.

 

Who is Rupert? Lady fecking Luck?

[um pahars]

So, guess what? A year later we got unlucky with some results and got relegated.

 

You're right, it had nothing to do with Wigley et al, we were just unlucky with some individuals missing some one on ones.

[Alain Perrin]

Personally believe that Lowe has absolutely no integrity. Everything he has done right from reversing a nursing home into Southampton was for his own selfish benefit. Immoral dividends & share buy backs where he was the chief beneficiary were the end for me.

I voted that i had confidence in JP. Not because i agreed with his appointment, but because any manager needs at least 12 months to show their worth. Compare what he has to work with & what Wigley & Grey did then you can see he has a greater understanding of the game. Couple that with the Lowe imposed player boundaries & the guy is on a hiding to nothing.

What he has done is shown a decent level of humility & understanding of supporters views (with the exception of DMcG). For that we owe him more time.

 

It was a bull**** poll, not worthy of any analysis. A poll that was posted (and I can't remember which) at either 2-0 down or after we'd lost. Either way it would be skewed. If you'd been asked the same question immediately following the Reading result would it have been different?

 

Anyway, enough of the poll analysis

 

I quoted Corky above because I don't get one thing. Lowe has (as the Lowe out gang constantly remind) an insignificant share holding (circa 6%), so in what way does that make him the chief beneficiary of dividends and buybacks?

 

I do agree with Corky's point about 12 months though. The guy has had one transfer window with not a lot of cash (the Lord giveth and the Lord taketh away).

 

My opinion is that this season, given the resources, has shown promise without the results. Hopefully it can come together in 2009 and we can better last seasons finish. Maybe then, with the finances a bit more under control, we could try to move up the league next year.

[aintforever]

Oh good, the luck debate.

 

So, guess what? A year later we got unlucky with some results and got relegated.

 

Who is Rupert? Lady fecking Luck?

 

And a year later yet another managerial disaster, he's one seriously unlucky guy this Lowe.

[benjii]

It was a bull**** poll, not worthy of any analysis. A poll that was posted (and I can't remember which) at either 2-0 down or after we'd lost. Either way it would be skewed. If you'd been asked the same question immediately following the Reading result would it have been different?

 

Anyway, enough of the poll analysis

 

I quoted Corky above because I don't get one thing. Lowe has (as the Lowe out gang constantly remind) an insignificant share holding (circa 6%), so in what way does that make him the chief beneficiary of dividends and buybacks?

 

I do agree with Corky's point about 12 months though. The guy has had one transfer window with not a lot of cash (the Lord giveth and the Lord taketh away).

 

My opinion is that this season, given the resources, has shown promise without the results. Hopefully it can come together in 2009 and we can better last seasons finish. Maybe then, with the finances a bit more under control, we could try to move up the league next year.

 

In fairness to me, I posted the thread following the Burnley game and someone turned it into a poll a couple of days later I think.

 

I also try to keep my opinions on JP completely divorced from my opinions on Lowe (which is what this thread is about).

[NickG]

Bit sweeping Nick - not how I remember it. I recall someone claiming a photo was doctored (it wasn't) and I remember the words of McGoldrick.

I am 100% certain Lowe is taking footballing decisions and no matter how good they maybe, until my dying day I will maintain the role of Chair and manager must be kept separate (a bit like the separation of powers in the unwritten British Constitution).

 

depends what you mean being involved in football matters. re photo -agree to disagree, thought echo hard copy was far from saying anything.

 

The words of McGoldrick -exactly -"many of the players had not met the chairman". "came to training ground to explain finances" (a good thing). Came in the changing room before game to wish us luck - Case and Armstrong were then both asked on radio if this was common and they both said it was usual practice at other clubs.

 

I am sure there are some football decisions we would both agree he should make (after all it is a football club) and many he shouldn't - we may even agree where the line should be drawn. Is he stepping over the line? Who knows, not heard anything firm to suggest he is but wouldn't surprise me.

Finances can dictate football decisions.

 

In summary, maybe bit sweeping but Mcgoldrick said the opposite - and if you go back to the thread on it the poster who started it agreed and said he was being bit mischief.

[Legod Third Coming]

You're right, it had nothing to do with Wigley et al, we were just unlucky with some individuals missing some one on ones.

 

 

It had everything to do with sacking Sturrock. Rupert's BIG BIG BIG error.

 

Jesus, why did he listen to the gardner over the butler???

 

If he had simply told the staff to button it, we wouldn't be debating formations we'd be debating how to beat Bolton!!!!!

 

However, he is not Satan.

[NickG]

so nothing done wrong this time?

[krissyboy31]

I think it is his 'bull in a china shop' attitude more than anything. True just being here is enough for a lot of the very antis to kick off but I think it was the way he came in, immediately relieved the manager of his duties then closed one of the most popular of the corners, immediately turned a lot of people against him.

 

Many of the financial decisions that have been made have had to be made and although some hurt, I don't think many of those are held against him (with the exception of the loaning out of ALL of John, Saga and Raz. I think he may have got away with 2 but 3?).

[um pahars]

It was a bull**** poll, not worthy of any analysis. A poll that was posted (and I can't remember which) at either 2-0 down or after we'd lost. Either way it would be skewed. If you'd been asked the same question immediately following the Reading result would it have been different?

 

Anyway, enough of the poll analysis

 

Polls on here are only indicative given the relatively low numbers (I'm sure that in the old days, there were sometimes three times as many participants) and I wouldn't read too much into them.

 

And as you say I'm sure the knee jerk reaction to another poor defeat would have had an impact, just as the rather wooly way in which the question was being posed probably had a slightly different effect (as corky morris pointed out)

 

So, enough of poll analysis .

 

I quoted Corky above because I don't get one thing. Lowe has (as the Lowe out gang constantly remind) an insignificant share holding (circa 6%), so in what way does that make him the chief beneficiary of dividends and buybacks?

 

I'm also not sure how Lowe directly benefitted from these initiatives (given his small shareholding), particularly as Lowe's main way of benefitting was via the millions he was paid for his executive role.

 

Now of course if these initiatives kept his shareholding supporters happy, then he would have benefitted from their continued support, which in turn would have ensured he kept pulling in the wages year in, year out.

 

I do agree with Corky's point about 12 months though. The guy has had one transfer window with not a lot of cash (the Lord giveth and the Lord taketh away).

 

My opinion is that this season, given the resources, has shown promise without the results. Hopefully it can come together in 2009 and we can better last seasons finish. Maybe then, with the finances a bit more under control, we could try to move up the league next year.

 

Up to a point.

 

I do believe you have to give people as much time as is humanly possible to try and create something, but alongside this desire to try and achieve something long term, there are also some short term goals which must be achieved. And it's not just escaping relegation either, as we also have to start winning at home to try and drive gates up in order to improve our finances.

 

Jan's time is not yet up, but I also don't think you can blindly carry on supporting someone when it's not working out as Wigley's sacking showed.

 

Forest is a big game, and a win could well shake the monkey off his back, but at the same time a defeat or surrendering a lead could well be the start of the calls for is head.

[alpine_saint]

Looking at the poll on Jan, just over 50% of us have confidence in him -so if we accept that he was cheap and the fans are reasonably confident in him then that appointment is not a disaster (at the moment).

 

What has Lowe done wrong this time?

 

Interested in views but accept two things perhaps for other debates

1) his history (management appointments, aloof etc)

2) because of the above divides fans and causes negativity.

 

 

Genuinely interested, particularly for the staunch Lowe out posters, why we should campaign to get him out, or is the history enough without accpeting he is hear now so lets see how his 2nd chance goes?

 

Jesus, have you no shame ?

 

The lengths you are willing to go to in your sycophantic support of Lowe seem limitless...