Brexit - Post Match Reaction

[Turkish]

5 minutes ago, sadoldgit said:

It takes a particularly bad case of myopia to blame Labour for Brexit.

who did that?

[Farmer Saint]

4 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

Bill Gates, according to the chip implanted by the COVID vaccine.

TBF since COVID I haven't bought one Apple product, but have bought a Windows PC...coincidence?

[Farmer Saint]

Remain is such a difficult place to win votes from - how do you present it as a positive?

Whereas you can say anything you want for Leave - anything could happen and it could be brilliant. Of course, it wasn't, and any campaign led by the massive blonde child and the snake oil salesman was always going to have a negative outcome for the British people.

The biggest issue is, and was, you should not let the public vote for something they don't understand.

[Turkish]

10 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

Bill Gates, according to the chip implanted by the COVID vaccine.

by amazing coincidence on this day 4 years ago i received my first covid jab. I think Bill for this momentous occasion and i think you for reminding me of it. Bill is a wonderful guy who really cares about us. 

[whelk]

23 minutes ago, Turkish said:

Are there any billionaires we like? 

Bill Gates

[Turkish]

2 minutes ago, whelk said:

Bill Gates

That goes without saying, he is like a father to me

[whelk]

4 minutes ago, Turkish said:

That goes without saying, he is like a father to me

Whilst Zuckerberg gives away loads he is still a bastard

[whelk]

6 minutes ago, Turkish said:

That goes without saying, he is like a father to me

copilot has definitely made my job easier

[sadoldgit]

47 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said:

Remain is such a difficult place to win votes from - how do you present it as a positive?

Whereas you can say anything you want for Leave - anything could happen and it could be brilliant. Of course, it wasn't, and any campaign led by the massive blonde child and the snake oil salesman was always going to have a negative outcome for the British people.

The biggest issue is, and was, you should not let the public vote for something they don't understand.

Which is exactly why we elect MPs. Is is there job to look at and understand the issues of the day so that they can make informed decisions on our behalf. Whether we left the EU or not was always going to be a highly complex issue and went way beyond slogans on the sides of buses or dodgy politicians weaponising immigration. Only it didn’t and sadly too many people fell for the sunlit uplands bollocks and we have reaped the downside of that decision ever since. The fact that Farage has now weedled his way into Parliament is an indication of how many of our country folk still are not paying attention.

[Gloucester Saint]

Vote Leave had some real class acts in it.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c07z0r37n0do

 

[rallyboy]

He and his city mates are still laughing at the electorate.

Tell the idiots to vote themselves into poverty, and we'll make a killing.

Voters were victims of a scam - and even now some are too embarrassed to admit it.

[Gloucester Saint]

From ‘We’ll drop all tariffs and trade with everybody’ to never backing Brexit - ‘we’re an education charity strongly supporting EU membership’ - IEA are hilarious. 🤣 

Never has a shadily-funded think tank been so wrong so consistently. Next they’ll ferret away from the Truss budget

 

[sadoldgit]

Nothing to worry about here, eh guys?

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14679281/amp/Putins-spies-Parliament-Three-Bulgarians-convicted-spying-Russia-pictured-sitting-Westminster.html

[badgerx16]

30 minutes ago, sadoldgit said:

Nothing to worry about here, eh guys?

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14679281/amp/Putins-spies-Parliament-Three-Bulgarians-convicted-spying-Russia-pictured-sitting-Westminster.html

The curator of the Queen's pictures was a Russian spy.

[sadoldgit]

Surprise, surprise. The Brexit trumpeting right wing media are giving the trade deal with India a kicking, despite it being an actual “benefit” of leaving the EU!

[Whitey Grandad]

23 hours ago, sadoldgit said:

Surprise, surprise. The Brexit trumpeting right wing media are giving the trade deal with India a kicking, despite it being an actual “benefit” of leaving the EU!

Of course it is. It’s a benefit to India.

[egg]

12 minutes ago, Whitey Grandad said:

Of course it is. It’s a benefit to India.

I think we'll only see how good it bad the deal is when we know what deal the EU negotiate with India. On the face of it though, reduced tariffs both ways is a positive. People seem to be getting upset about the NI breaks but overlook that  short term Indian workers won't get a state pension, and will contribute to the NHS via immigration charges. 

Anyways, we have skills shortages, and post Brexit it's understandable that we'll look to other countries to help fill the void. 

Edited May 8 by egg

[Guided Missile]

On 27/06/2016 at 13:55, Guided Missile said:

A Washington based conservative think tank, the Heritage Foundation, published a paper on the best option for the UK, should we leave the EU, focusing on free trade deals. To me, this is the most important thing to get right. (" It's all about the economy, stupid"). In summary, the report states:

 

 

 

1. The U.S. and the U.K. should negotiate a free trade area based on the principles of national sovereignty and economic freedom.
2. For both nations, the barrier to this goal is the European Union. Britain cannot negotiate unless it leaves the EU, while the U.S. has wrongly supported the EU over the sovereignty of its member nations.
3. The U.S. policy of using Britain as its Trojan Horse in the EU is wrong in principle and doomed to failure in practice.
4. The U.K. must ensure that its referendum on EU membership offers a real choice. There is no reason why the U.K., the world’s sixth-largest economy, cannot negotiate trade arrangements outside the EU.
5. The benefits of an Anglo–American free trade area would be both economic and political. It would insulate the U.K. from the damaging effects of further EU regulatory interference and signal the two countries’ shared political commitment to their close relationship

UK 1: EU 0

 

[revolution saint]

1 minute ago, Guided Missile said:

UK 1: EU 0

 

You must be gutted we didn't get a free trade deal with the US then?

[badgerx16]

43 minutes ago, Guided Missile said:

UK 1: EU 0

 

Twat.

To summarise expert opinion, the "deal" is a "bare bones" agreement that cuts some of Trump's tariffs, and sets quotas on UK car sales and steel and aluminium exports to the US.

Edited May 14 by badgerx16

[Gloucester Saint]

At Bursledon Windmill, it’s another sunny day where John has purchased a carrier bag full of strong cider from Tesco.

 

[sadoldgit]

Good to see progress is being made on mitigating the damage done by the Brexit deal. The usual suspects will kick off again about “sovereignty” missing the point, yet again, that doing deals involves give and take.

No change on the fishing agreement with the possibility of selling more of our fish to the EU is a good thing, surely?

EU investing in our security industries must be a good thing.

Freedom of movement for young people was a big loss (one of my daughters worked in Barcelona for several months a few years ago and benefited from it hugely) and it is hard to understand why anyone would have a problem with it.

If they can do something that will make it easier to travel to the rest of Europe, that will be another step forward.

The Little Englanders and right wing media will react in the same old way, telling us that we are giving in to Brussels. Perhaps it is time for these people to park their tribalism and think about what is best for the people of this country

[Weston Super Saint]

2 hours ago, sadoldgit said:

Good to see progress is being made on mitigating the damage done by the Brexit deal. 

Alternatively, good to see a Government finally taking advantage of Brexit and making deals with whoever we want under the terms we choose.

Despite being 'oven ready' the previous Government failed miserably to do the same.

[Winnersaint]

2 hours ago, sadoldgit said:

"The usual suspects." 

"The Little Englanders." 

"right wing media."

"park their tribalism."

No wonder you tend to get grief on here.

[sadoldgit]

1 hour ago, Winnersaint said:

No wonder you tend to get grief on here.

Only from the usual suspects, Little Englanders, right wing media consumers and tribalists. Which of these are you?

Edited May 19 by sadoldgit
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[sadoldgit]

1 hour ago, Weston Super Saint said:

Alternatively, good to see a Government finally taking advantage of Brexit and making deals with whoever we want under the terms we choose.

Despite being 'oven ready' the previous Government failed miserably to do the same.

We still haven’t made any deals that were anything close to what we lost when we left the EU. But, yay, we make make lesser deals with anyone we choose.

[badgerx16]

1 minute ago, sadoldgit said:

We still haven’t made any deals that were anything close to what we lost when we left the EU. But, yay, we make make lesser deals with anyone we choose.

Why get aggressive with Weston when he is broadly agreeing with you ?

[badgerx16]

1 hour ago, Weston Super Saint said:

Alternatively, good to see a Government finally taking advantage of Brexit and making deals with whoever we want under the terms we choose.

Despite being 'oven ready' the previous Government failed miserably to do the same.

Fucking rich for Kemikazi to be criticising the fishing deal given the false promises made to that industry during the Brexit campaign, and subsequently ignored, ( because they were based on bollox and could never be delivered ).

Edited May 19 by badgerx16

[sadoldgit]

Just heard a couple of fishermen moaning about the deal. No mention of the fact that it will make it easier to sell their catches to the EU countries. No mention either of the deal made in December to allow the UK to 300,000 tons of fish in the North Sea. Positive noises made from the fishing body in Scotland over the improved  situation for the salmon industry.

[badgerx16]

1 minute ago, sadoldgit said:

Just heard a couple of fishermen moaning about the deal.

There's always somebody having a moan, regardless of the subject. They are probably just bitter because they fell for Boris and Nigel's empty promises.

[sadoldgit]

I don’t think you can call saying “alternatively” an agreement. My point was that we already had a perfectly good deal whilst members of the EU and now are trying to scrape together smaller, less positive deals. I don’t see anything in his post agreeing with mine.

[badgerx16]

1 minute ago, sadoldgit said:

I don’t think you can call saying “alternatively” an agreement. My point was that we already had a perfectly good deal whilst members of the EU and now are trying to scrape together smaller, less positive deals. I don’t see anything in his post agreeing with mine.

You both said the deal was a good thing, but look at it from different viewpoints; you from "fixing the mistakes of Brexit", Weston from the "finally delivering what the Tores failed to do". Either way is valid and sees this as a good thing.

[Weston Super Saint]

16 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

Why get aggressive with Weston when he is broadly agreeing with you ?

Always plays the poster that's why.

[sadoldgit]

1 hour ago, Weston Super Saint said:

Always plays the poster that's why.

And you never do? Didn’t you call me a racist earlier for asking the question of, supposedly, the smartest bloke on here who had just delivered a very badly written post whether his wife (if she actually exists), who very possibly doesn’t have English as her first language, had written it? If that is not playing the poster, what is?

Anyway, you are getting likes from nic, which speaks volumes.

Edited May 19 by sadoldgit

[Weston Super Saint]

20 minutes ago, sadoldgit said:

And you never do? Didn’t you call me a racist earlier for asking the question of, supposedly, the smartest bloke on here who had just delivered a very badly written post whether his wife (if she actually exists), who very possibly doesn’t have English as her first language, had written it? If that is not playing the poster, what is?

Anyway, you are getting likes from nic, which speaks volumes.

No.

I called you a racist because you implied his Asian wife was shit at writing in English.

 

[Gloucester Saint]

5 hours ago, badgerx16 said:

You both said the deal was a good thing, but look at it from different viewpoints; you from "fixing the mistakes of Brexit", Weston from the "finally delivering what the Tores failed to do". Either way is valid and sees this as a good thing.

Agree, and also getting a good response from business https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cvgvp0wlnl3o

Obviously I would like it to have gone much further in fixing the economic damage a hard Brexit has caused but it’s a compromise with the more reasonable Brexiteers. It won’t go down well with the ‘Two World Wars and One World Cup/Napoleonic Wars/No Surrender brigade but nothing would. The Tories are hilarious - Labour have just completed three trade deals in a week and all they mustered in 6 years was Truss’s Australian deal which utterly shafted UK agriculture and derided widely by her own party let alone anyone else.

And that after they increased the size of the Cabinet Office to eye-watering level to facilitate all of those so-called deals.

[aintforever]

4 hours ago, Weston Super Saint said:

No.

I called you a racist because you implied his Asian wife was shit at writing in English.

 

Is it really racist to suggest a foreigner’s grasp of English might not be as good as that of a British person?

[egg]

50 minutes ago, aintforever said:

Is it really racist to suggest a foreigner’s grasp of English might not be as good as that of a British person?

At best it's crass and unnecessary. I don't think SOG is racist, but he throws labels and insults at others, so its understandable that he gets the same. 

[whelk]

Hilarious stuff. Didn't even know Liitlejohn was still around. Thought the old cunt must be in a care home after a couple of strokes. Andrew Neil lol - who listens to him? Thought he went off air with Noel Edmond’s. Bless the Mail they still think it’s the 1980s when they had influence. Thankfully not long to all the readership pop off

[Gloucester Saint]

‘Accused’ by the worst leader of the opposition this country has ever seen, and when you’re worse than IDS or Corbyn (Hague was too young and up against Blair) then that’s really a low point for their party and paper. If the Mail is outraged, that’s probably a barometer that it’s not a bad initial deal. Pity Starmer didn’t go much further and burst a few blood pressures.

Andrew Neil is well over the hill and far away, like Whelk, I wasn’t sure Littlejohn was with us any longer. Although at (only) 71, he’s actually a few years below the Tories average voting age. Maybe he votes Reform instead?

Paper for old biddies. 

 

Edited May 19 by Gloucester Saint

[badgerx16]

57 minutes ago, whelk said:

Hilarious stuff. Didn't even know Liitlejohn was still around. Thought the old cunt must be in a care home after a couple of strokes. Andrew Neil lol - who listens to him? Thought he went off air with Noel Edmond’s. Bless the Mail they still think it’s the 1980s when they had influence. Thankfully not long to all the readership pop off

Earlier than that - they still yearn for the Empire.

[Tamesaint]

6 hours ago, badgerx16 said:

Earlier than that - they still yearn for the Empire.

Which Empire? They were pretty fond of the Third Reich. 

[Gloucester Saint]

32 minutes ago, Tamesaint said:

Which Empire? They were pretty fond of the Third Reich. 

Quite the betrayal of Britain https://www.timesofisrael.com/how-britains-nazi-loving-press-baron-made-the-case-for-hitler/

[Weston Super Saint]

9 hours ago, aintforever said:

Is it really racist to suggest a foreigner’s grasp of English might not be as good as that of a British person?

See my original post where I stated it was probably unintentional.

Unintentional racism is, however, still racism.

[aintforever]

7 minutes ago, Weston Super Saint said:

See my original post where I stated it was probably unintentional.

Unintentional racism is, however, still racism.

Is it racist to unintentionally suggest a foreigner’s grasp of English might not be as good as that of a British person?

[Turkish]

16 hours ago, badgerx16 said:

Why get aggressive with Weston when he is broadly agreeing with you ?

He doesn't read what people post, he sees the name and responds to that. Either that or he isn't bright enough to understand. Like that time he posted a link as a dig at Rupert Lowe off, when the link was Lowe critisicing Farage, something SOG has also done for years 😂

[Turkish]

9 hours ago, egg said:

At best it's crass and unnecessary. I don't think SOG is racist, but he throws labels and insults at others, so its understandable that he gets the same. 

Only one person on this forum has a got a track record of "clumsy language" on multiple occasions over a period of years when it comes to this topic, yet the same person is the one that will jump on everyone else accusing them of racism at every opportunity. Some might call it deflection. 

[Weston Super Saint]

39 minutes ago, aintforever said:

Is it racist to unintentionally suggest a foreigner’s grasp of English might not be as good as that of a British person?

In the context of Soggy's post, yes.  Although for the record that is not the comparison he was making.

Ordinarily in other situations would depend on context.

[badgerx16]

Reeves teasing a trade deal with the Gulf states is next. I wonder how Kemikaze, Nige, and the Heil might respond to that.

Edited May 20 by badgerx16

[Farmer Saint]

1 hour ago, badgerx16 said:

Reeves teasing a trade deal with the Gulf states is next. I wonder how Kemikaze, Nige, and the Heil might respond to that.

At least they are getting shit done. A lot of the meat producing farmers around me are very happy with the new deal(s).