Donald Trump Appreciation Thread

[east-stand-nic]

15 hours ago, sadoldgit said:

Donald J Trump

”I am the President of the United States of America and I do what I like, to whom I like, wherever and whenever I like.”

east-stand-nic

”Yay!”

The point that I haven’t missed is that you are a Trump apologist. You are quick to abuse those who call out his abhorrent actions and you never, ever call them out yourself. I can just picture you sitting there in your MAGA baseball cap searching for negative posts about him to either post a laughing emoji or coming up with some kind of deflection or spurious argument to support him.

You call me a “wankpot” yet you constantly support probably the most vile and dangerous man on the planet at this moment in time.

Have I missed the point? No, I don’t think so.

Once again you show yourself to be an utter dope. Let me try to explain,. Biden said he stands with the people of Venezuela yes? And he accused trump of supporting Maduro. So, was he right or wrong? Also, it seems from that tweet Biden made that he would likely have taken some sort of action against Maduro himself. If he had you would 100% support it. But when Trump does it, you berate him. Your mindset is like a child. You can only support actions by people you like. I. on the other hand support no one and see things for what they really are, undeniable fact. My argument was in no way spurious. It was a factual article i saw about him trying to cut off Russia's illegal funding. It was also to oust a vile dictator and as already proven Biden felt the same and you would no doubt at all have supported any action her took, simply because he is not Trump. Childlike thinking.

Now let's deal with your other double standards and idiotic stance about me being a Trump apologist and accusing me of abusing those who call him out. Wrong yet again in two ways. 

1. I state facts that some of what trump does is good and correct. I have also stated many many times that I support none of them and think they are all self serving pricks. I do not abuse, I simply pick people up on double standards and having child like views. 

2. When an Islamic attack occurs, the only thing you ever do is justify it (apologist) by making statements about white people doing it also. Would you care to explain in your own words why I am an apologist but you are not?

Once again I have shown you the door and handed you your hat. 

[JohnnyShearer2.0]

11 hours ago, revolution saint said:

Vance is a gaslighting cunt

Absolute ghouls. Rather than saying the officer was in the wrong and getting him punished their doubling down on the rhetoric.

No doubt Sir R will come along and tell me to watch different angles of the video and say the guy was in mortal danger before shooting.

[badgerx16]

31 minutes ago, east-stand-nic said:

Once again you show yourself to be an utter dope. Let me try to explain,. Biden said he stands with the people of Venezuela yes? And he accused trump of supporting Maduro. So, was he right or wrong? Also, it seems from that tweet Biden made that he would likely have taken some sort of action against Maduro himself. If he had you would 100% support it. But when Trump does it, you berate him. Your mindset is like a child. You can only support actions by people you like. I. on the other hand support no one and see things for what they really are, undeniable fact. My argument was in no way spurious. It was a factual article i saw about him trying to cut off Russia's illegal funding. It was also to oust a vile dictator and as already proven Biden felt the same and you would no doubt at all have supported any action her took, simply because he is not Trump. Childlike thinking.

Now let's deal with your other double standards and idiotic stance about me being a Trump apologist and accusing me of abusing those who call him out. Wrong yet again in two ways. 

1. I state facts that some of what trump does is good and correct. I have also stated many many times that I support none of them and think they are all self serving pricks. I do not abuse, I simply pick people up on double standards and having child like views. 

2. When an Islamic attack occurs, the only thing you ever do is justify it (apologist) by making statements about white people doing it also. Would you care to explain in your own words why I am an apologist but you are not?

Once again I have shown you the door and handed you your hat. 

Dear ChatGPT,

write some paragraphs for the SaintsWeb forum that prove that I am in no way a Trump apologist, only ever demonstrate a fully informed and balanced viewpoint, and show that I have proved yet again that SOG is a dopey racist old sod.

 

Thank you

 

Nic 

[Sir Ralph]

The only pity about Maduro going is he was a case study as to how devastating socialism is to a country that should otherwise be very rich due to its oil reserves. The majority of Venezuelans seems quite happy with the outcome, particularly as things cant get much worse for them. For some reason some  in this country seem to want to protest about it, even though he rigged elections.  I suspect they have never been to South America and probably dont know where the country was before Christmas and dont understand the background.The main criticism from some Venezuelans seem to be that the US hasnt ripped the heart out of the Government (i.e. it hasnt intervened further).

Just a bit of context that 8 million have left the country since 2014 due to the humanitarian crisis created. If the US intervened further and put a proper Government in place a lot of these people may return home.

I understand this is about oil but I would prefer to the US influencing oil prices and potentially bring stability to an economically mismanaged country, rather than some lunatic socialist dictator. This has the potential to also help the Venezuelan people.

Edited 23 hours ago by Sir Ralph

[badgerx16]

19 minutes ago, Sir Ralph said:

The only pity about Maduro going is he was a case study as to how devastating socialism is to a country that should otherwise be very rich due to its oil reserves. The majority of Venezuelans seems quite happy with the outcome. For some reason some nut jobs in this country seem to want to think he should be staying in power, despite rigging elections.  I suspect they have never been to South America and probably dont know where the country was before Christmas. The main criticism from some Venezuelans seem to be that the US hasnt ripped the heart out of the Government (i.e. it hasnt intervened further)

Maduro was not democratically elected. There, I said it. But then again nor were Putin or Xi, or many other leaders around the globe. The issues around Venezuela are whether the US actions were justified, why they did it, and what they intend to happen next.

On the first, no. But for a President who said, after the experiences of Iraq and Afghanistan, that the US is no longer in the business of nation building, this is a severe dose of back-tracking. Secondly, the line about getting tough on drug smuggling is a very weak argument given the pardon given to Juan Orlando Hernández, and the extremely low level, ( if any ), of drugs reaching the US from Venezuela. This is about oil, plain and simple.

The third issue about not carrying out a full regime change might actually be a choice informed by past disastrous interventions around the World. Keeping most of the regime in place, but being leant on, is probably a more stable situation than ripping out the establishment root and branch.

Edited 23 hours ago by badgerx16

[badgerx16]

Ralph  why do you think Trump hasn't put the person who supposedly won the Venezuelan election in power ? In fact he seems to have dismissed her out of hand.

Edited 23 hours ago by badgerx16

[spyinthesky]

Wonder what Infantino thinks of the matter and possible conflict with other FIFA members such as Denmark, Columbia, Canada and Cuba?
Will he demand the return of Trump's Peace Prize medal?

[Sir Ralph]

1 hour ago, badgerx16 said:

Ralph  why do you think Trump hasn't put the person who supposedly won the Venezuelan election in power ? In fact he seems to have dismissed her out of hand.

Not sure why. I suppose we will have to see what happens with this. I dont think anyone will know as the dynamics of the relationship are unknown. It could be that he thinks he can control the current government more or, like you said, it would cause more instability

 

There are obviously some down sides to what Trump has done and its clear he has done this from an America first perspective. However, in this case I think that overall the pros outweigh the cons, including for Venezuelans so I just dont know why some people in this country are getting so excited about it. I'm certain that if Biden or Kamala had done this, those same people wouldnt be waving Venezuela flags and protesting on behalf of people who mainly dont want them to protest on their behalf! Venezuelans watching blue haired students protesting in London and New York must think they are complete egits.

Edited 21 hours ago by Sir Ralph

[sadoldgit]

1 hour ago, badgerx16 said:

Ralph  why do you think Trump hasn't put the person who supposedly won the Venezuelan election in power ? In fact he seems to have dismissed her out of hand.

She won “his” Nobel Peace Prize. He will never forgive her for stealing what was rightfully his.

[sadoldgit]

Ralph, do you think it is ok for Trump to decide who runs Venezuela rather than the people? Do you think that the oil is his? 
This idea that there would be a different reaction if a different President did this is ridiculous. I don’t see anyone being upset about his removal. It is more about the driving force of Trump’s actions and what he is planning to do with the country.

[Sir Ralph]

11 minutes ago, sadoldgit said:

Ralph, do you think it is ok for Trump to decide who runs Venezuela rather than the people? Do you think that the oil is his? 
This idea that there would be a different reaction if a different President did this is ridiculous. I don’t see anyone being upset about his removal. It is more about the driving force of Trump’s actions and what he is planning to do with the country.

No its not his but I suspect he will do a better job than the socialist dictator. The Venezuelan people didn't have a say on running the country anyway. 

Trump is in it for the oil. However, the impact could be a benefit to the people. If you think his removal is a good thing how else would it have happened?

Just a context reminder: https://www.amnesty.org/en/location/americas/south-america/venezuela/report-venezuela/

 

Edited 21 hours ago by Sir Ralph

[badgerx16]

49 minutes ago, Sir Ralph said:

No its not his but I suspect he will do a better job than the socialist dictator. 

 

Are right wing dictators acceptable ?

[badgerx16]

I wonder if the Trump adminstration will have anything to say about the Minnesota Timberwolves holding a moment of silence in memory of Renee Good before their NBA game.

[badgerx16]

Should Trump now move against Colombia's left wing President ? Would it be acceptable to act against somebody acknowledged as having been legitimately elected ?

[Winnersaint]

Here's a thing The closest point in the UK to Greenland is 879 miles border to border. The USA is 1226 miles from Greenland using the same calculation. Somebody probably showed Trump a Mercator projection of the world which distorts the size of land masses the further away from the Equator you go, and his eyes lit up at how much he could increase the size of the US. 

[revolution saint]

20 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

Should Trump now move against Colombia's left wing President ? Would it be acceptable to act against somebody acknowledged as having been legitimately elected ?

Hasn't always stopped the US before, just ask Salvador Allende.

[badgerx16]

10 minutes ago, revolution saint said:

Hasn't always stopped the US before, just ask Salvador Allende.

True. But one of the justifications for those supporting Trump's move against Maduro is that his Presidency was not legitimate.

[Sir Ralph]

1 hour ago, badgerx16 said:

Are right wing dictators acceptable ?

We are taking about Venezuela. Take the word dictator off and the outcome for the country would be similar. My point was more about the shambles that the guy has left the country in because of his wayward ideologies, rather than that he is a dictator.

[badgerx16]

3 minutes ago, Sir Ralph said:

We are taking about Venezuela. Take the word dictator off and the outcome for the country would be similar. My point was more about the shambles that the guy has left the country in because of his wayward ideologies, rather than that he is a dictator.

So why continually emphasise "socialist"  as if anything politically left of centre is intrinsically evil ?

[Farmer Saint]

https://edition.cnn.com/business/live-news/us-jobs-report-december-01-09-2026

It's as if stability, not tax cuts, is what businesses need to have confidence to create jobs.

[Sir Ralph]

Just now, badgerx16 said:

So why continually emphasise "socialist"  as if anything politically left of centre is intrinsically evil ?

That's how you interpreted it. I'm talking about Maduro as a socialist. I'm not going to get into an argument about it.

[Sir Ralph]

1 minute ago, Farmer Saint said:

https://edition.cnn.com/business/live-news/us-jobs-report-december-01-09-2026

It's as if stability, not tax cuts, is what businesses need to have confidence to create jobs.

You need both - they arent mutually exclusive obviously.

[egg]

2 hours ago, sadoldgit said:

She won “his” Nobel Peace Prize. He will never forgive her for stealing what was rightfully his.

Was it the Washington Post that published something like that? I see Badger laughed at your post, but it's a theory that's out there. As absurd as it is, it's possible that Trump's ego/pride/false pride could influence his foreign policy. 

[badgerx16]

 

[egg]

1 hour ago, badgerx16 said:

Should Trump now move against Colombia's left wing President ? Would it be acceptable to act against somebody acknowledged as having been legitimately elected ?

Of course he will. He'll be at the helm of a narco terrorist regime, directly responsible for the deaths of a quarter of a million innocent souls, or something. Trump wants coercive control over the whole bloody planet, and having governments in neighbouring countries who are politically in tune and/or subservient to him is exactly what he wants. 

[badgerx16]

11 minutes ago, Sir Ralph said:

That's how you interpreted it. I'm talking about Maduro as a socialist. I'm not going to get into an argument about it.

I'll take that as a "yes".

Edited 18 hours ago by badgerx16

[Farmer Saint]

14 minutes ago, Sir Ralph said:

You need both - they arent mutually exclusive obviously.

So tax cuts under a Reform Government would be a fucking nightmare and not benefit, as it was under the Tories.

[Sir Ralph]

21 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said:

So tax cuts under a Reform Government would be a fucking nightmare and not benefit, as it was under the Tories.

I'm sure youre right 😉

Edited 18 hours ago by Sir Ralph

[sadoldgit]

3 hours ago, Sir Ralph said:

No its not his but I suspect he will do a better job than the socialist dictator. The Venezuelan people didn't have a say on running the country anyway. 

Trump is in it for the oil. However, the impact could be a benefit to the people. If you think his removal is a good thing how else would it have happened?

Just a context reminder: https://www.amnesty.org/en/location/americas/south-america/venezuela/report-venezuela/

 

I am not sure replacing one dictator for another is a benefit for anybody other than the new dictator. It does really matter whether I think his removal is a good thing or not, it is down to the people of Venezuela isn’t it? It should be their decision, not mine or Donald Trump’s.

It would be a good thing if the likes of Trump, Putin and Netanyahu were removed IMO, but the choice again should be down to the people.

[Sir Ralph]

6 minutes ago, sadoldgit said:

I am not sure replacing one dictator for another is a benefit for anybody other than the new dictator. It does really matter whether I think his removal is a good thing or not, it is down to the people of Venezuela isn’t it? It should be their decision, not mine or Donald Trump’s.

It would be a good thing if the likes of Trump, Putin and Netanyahu were removed IMO, but the choice again should be down to the people.

Yes Dictator's always listen to the will of their people. I'm sure he would have just moved out of the way, stupid Venezuelans why didn't they think of that.

It laughable you have put Trump in the dictator category like Putin and Maduro. Hopefully someone buys you a dictionary next Xamas

Edited 18 hours ago by Sir Ralph

[revolution saint]

1 hour ago, badgerx16 said:

True. But one of the justifications for those supporting Trump's move against Maduro is that his Presidency was not legitimate.

Yes, completely agree - I wasn't really making much of a point except that the US hasn't always been the defender of democracy it likes to pretend it is.  In the case of Venezuela I think it's a useful excuse and not much else.

[sadoldgit]

49 minutes ago, egg said:

Was it the Washington Post that published something like that? I see Badger laughed at your post, but it's a theory that's out there. As absurd as it is, it's possible that Trump's ego/pride/false pride could influence his foreign policy. 

Could be? I just remember that he was very bitchy towards her when she won. Still, he has his FIFA Peace Prize now 😂.

[sadoldgit]

26 minutes ago, Sir Ralph said:

Yes Dictator's always listen to the will of their people. I'm sure he would have just moved out of the way, stupid Venezuelans why didn't they think of that.

It laughable you have put Trump in the dictator category like Putin and Maduro. Hopefully someone buys you a dictionary next Xamas

Duh! The point was that if the people wanted him gone it is their decision, not Trump’s.

Laughable? Have you not been paying attention to how Trump has and is ignoring the checks and balances that the American constitution has in place? 
He ignores the sovereignty of other nations. He is happy to kill his own people. Ok for you?
As for buying me a dictionary, perhaps check the spelling of Xmas before you think that you are scoring points.

Edited 17 hours ago by sadoldgit

[egg]

4 minutes ago, sadoldgit said:

Could be? I just remember that he was very bitchy towards her when she won. Still, he has his FIFA Peace Prize now 😂.

I'll look it up, but I read about the theory  somewhere this week, and am pretty sure it was somewhere vaguely credible. 

[Sir Ralph]

9 minutes ago, sadoldgit said:

Duh! The point was that if the people wanted him gone it is their decision, not Trump’s.

Laughable? Have you not been paying attention to how Trump has and is ignoring the checks and balances that the American constitution has in place? 
As for buying me a dictionary, perhaps check the spelling of Xmas before you think that you are scoring points.

Yes I understand your point. The people couldn't get rid of him.....he fixed elections!

[badgerx16]

Shooting of Charlie Kirk : joint investigation between federal and local law enforcement

Assasination attempt on Donald Trump : joint investigation between federal and local law enforcement

Shooting of Renee Good : federal investigation with local law enforcement excluded

[johnnyboy]

3 hours ago, Sir Ralph said:

Yes Dictator's always listen to the will of their people. I'm sure he would have just moved out of the way, stupid Venezuelans why didn't they think of that.

It laughable you have put Trump in the dictator category like Putin and Maduro. Hopefully someone buys you a dictionary next Xamas

Oh the irony !

[sadoldgit]

11 hours ago, east-stand-nic said:

Once again you show yourself to be an utter dope. Let me try to explain,. Biden said he stands with the people of Venezuela yes? And he accused trump of supporting Maduro. So, was he right or wrong? Also, it seems from that tweet Biden made that he would likely have taken some sort of action against Maduro himself. If he had you would 100% support it. But when Trump does it, you berate him. Your mindset is like a child. You can only support actions by people you like. I. on the other hand support no one and see things for what they really are, undeniable fact. My argument was in no way spurious. It was a factual article i saw about him trying to cut off Russia's illegal funding. It was also to oust a vile dictator and as already proven Biden felt the same and you would no doubt at all have supported any action her took, simply because he is not Trump. Childlike thinking.

Now let's deal with your other double standards and idiotic stance about me being a Trump apologist and accusing me of abusing those who call him out. Wrong yet again in two ways. 

1. I state facts that some of what trump does is good and correct. I have also stated many many times that I support none of them and think they are all self serving pricks. I do not abuse, I simply pick people up on double standards and having child like views. 

2. When an Islamic attack occurs, the only thing you ever do is justify it (apologist) by making statements about white people doing it also. Would you care to explain in your own words why I am an apologist but you are not?

Once again I have shown you the door and handed you your hat. 

1. This thread is specifically about Donald Trump not Joe Biden. The particular discussion was about what Trump had actually done. It had nothing to do with what Biden may or may not have done (and what we do know with 100% certainty is what he actually did not do whilst President). 
2. You have absolutely no idea what my opinion would have been if Biden, when he was POTUS, had done what Trump has done now.

3. It is extremely immature and myopic to accuse someone of only supporting the actions of people they “like” when they have a 20 year posting history with plenty of examples of criticising the actions of people they “like.”

4. You say that you see things “for what they really are.” Not only is that statement purely subjective, it is also made a lie by your support of many discredited conspiracy theories

5. Another immature statement. You have no idea if I would have supported Biden if he had done what Trump has done. You have just constructed another conspiracy in your head and posted it as a fact.

6. You absolutely are a Trump apologist. You have never criticised anything that he has done and let’s face it, he is open to a great deal of criticism. You are often the first one on here to defend his latest disastrous decision or action or throw the TDS deflection around.

7. For someone who does not support any of “them” you spend a lot of time either doing so on here or avoid criticism of “them” when they are open to it. 

8. When Islamic attacks occur I have called them out of extremist atrocities. How do you equate that with justification? A very simplistic and childish reaction. Let me make it easier for you to understand the difference between an apologist and someone pointing out an obvious disconnect. A certain poster on here spends a lot of time posting about brown skinned, Muslim rape gangs. You will not find any posts from him about white non Muslim rape gangs.Why one and not the other? Pointing this fact out does not excuse the actions of the former group of men. It highlights a very clear bias. I have asked the question many times (and of you). Is the rape or murder of a women more serious if carried out by a brown skinned Muslim worse and more noteworthy than if committed by a white, non- Muslim? I know you think that you have a greater intellect than the rest of us, but good luck with trying to explain how you confuse this with apologising for the criminal actions Muslims.

Once again I have handed you your arse served up on a silver platter. 🤗
 

 

 

 

 

[AlexLaw76]

8 minutes ago, sadoldgit said:

 

8. When Islamic attacks occur I have called them out of extremist atrocities.

[sadoldgit]

1 hour ago, johnnyboy said:

Oh the irony !

Greenland is ours if we want it.

Venezuelan oil is ours if we want it.

The Western Hemisphere is Ours.

We decide who runs Venezuela.

Agree to my deal or face crippling tariffs.

Federal agents can gun people down in the street in cold blood  with impunity because I say they can.

I say the election was rigged therefore that is true and anyone who says otherwise faces a prison sentence.

Nothing “dictatorial” here at all, no sir!

Edited 13 hours ago by sadoldgit

[badgerx16]

9 hours ago, sadoldgit said:

She won “his” Nobel Peace Prize. He will never forgive her for stealing what was rightfully his.

Maybe that was the issue with Maduro ; Trump could not stand Maduro having shown him up by stealing an election when Donnie failed to do so.

[badgerx16]

Bodycam video from the ICE agent who shot Renee Good has bcome public. It seems to show her trying to drive away from the officer, turning the steering wheel to the right as she starts to move;

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cz7yv4524gqo

[Gloucester Saint]

18 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

Bodycam video from the ICE agent who shot Renee Good has bcome public. It seems to show her trying to drive away from the officer, turning the steering wheel to the right as she starts to move;

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cz7yv4524gqo

It’s a political assassination - let’s call it out for what it is. Any liberal, you don’t even need to be an active Democrat, could be next. 

Edited 11 hours ago by Gloucester Saint

[sadoldgit]

More bollocks from Trump. Greenland is under the NATO umbrella. There is no way that Russia or China is going to take Greenland without WW3 breaking out. His supporters will suck it up though. Never under estimate the number of people who will follow deranged morons.
 

https://www.reuters.com/world/china/trump-says-us-needs-own-greenland-deter-russia-china-2026-01-09/

[sadoldgit]

2 hours ago, Gloucester Saint said:

It’s a political assassination - let’s call it out for what it is. Any liberal, you don’t even need to be an active Democrat, could be next. 

“We had whistles. They had guns.”

We are watching this in real time just as generations before us watched their societies being abused by sociopathic leaders. At some point the millions of decent US citizens will have to do something. Enough is enough.

[badgerx16]

7 hours ago, sadoldgit said:

More bollocks from Trump. Greenland is under the NATO umbrella. There is no way that Russia or China is going to take Greenland without WW3 breaking out. His supporters will suck it up though. Never under estimate the number of people who will follow deranged morons.
 

https://www.reuters.com/world/china/trump-says-us-needs-own-greenland-deter-russia-china-2026-01-09/

"We're not going to have Russia or China as a neighbour"; Russia is 53 miles away from the nearest point of the United States, across the Bering Strait. That is one tenth of the distance from the most southerly point of Alaska to the the rest of the US. It is 1300 miles from Greenland to the US.

Russia is the third closest country to the US, after Canada and Mexico.

 

ALTERNATVE GEOGRAPHY !!!!!!!

 

Edited 56 minutes ago by badgerx16

[JohnnyShearer2.0]

Isnt the UK closer to Greenland than the US?!

[badgerx16]

7 minutes ago, JohnnyShearer2.0 said:

Isnt the UK closer to Greenland than the US?!

Yes. The nearest point in the UK is St Kilda, about 1230 miles from the southernmost tip of Greenland. The Hebrides are about 40 miles further. The nearest point in the US is in Maine, about 1300 miles away. ( Based on GOOGLE maps ).