LGBT+ Discussion

[pingpong]

44 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

Surely that excludes those who identify as cats, unicorns, or elves. Would "Something in water" be less controversial ?

As usual, this is just ragebait bollocks. If you go to the source, you will find that they state "person in water" is a more inclusive term, but:

"currently, the term 'man overboard' still exists within electronic equipment, software and official documents produced by governing bodies. The important point is to be able to raise an alarm where a person has fallen overboard to initiate the emergency procedures. Until this is able to change, it would be recommended to continue to use the term 'man overboard' when following safety procedures"

The guide itself was created by the RYA in response to a high volume of requests for one from their affiliated clubs and recognised training centres.

So whatever that source is, it's disingenuous.

[east-stand-nic]

I am so glad organizations are spending time on such worthwhile inclusive things. Utterly ridiculous. Sort the bloody important things out FFS.

[Holmes_and_Watson]

1 hour ago, badgerx16 said:

Surely that excludes those who identify as cats, unicorns, or elves. Would "Something in water" be less controversial ?

Then everyone leans over the side to help, only to find your "something in the water" call referred to Jaws. 

Lots of icey stares from the survivors after that.

[east-stand-nic]

I see my stalker thinks this sort of thing is far more important than tackling knife crime, rape or murder. Cannot say as I am surprised by that as he is clearly all for those things. 

[tdmickey3]

1 hour ago, east-stand-nic said:

I see my stalker thinks this sort of thing is far more important than tackling knife crime, rape or murder. Cannot say as I am surprised by that as he is clearly all for those things. 

Accusing anyone of that proves to all that you are a cunt .

Only someone without an ounce of intelligence would post that

[east-stand-nic]

2 hours ago, tdmickey3 said:

Accusing anyone of that proves to all that you are a cunt .

Only someone without an ounce of intelligence would post that

You have said similar and worse to me many times. So suck it up snowflake. Care to explain why you would post a lol emoji on what I said then? I mean, surely anyone against what I mentioned would not laugh at the statement would they? 

Looks like you are tied up in knots again. 

Edited September 15 by east-stand-nic

[AlexLaw76]

Useful advice

[Lord Duckhunter]

Fucking hell…. Who would vote for this loon? 
 

 

[AlexLaw76]

2 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

Fucking hell…. Who would vote for this loon? 
 

 

 

[Lord Duckhunter]

 

[trousers]

16 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

Who would vote for this loon?

Loons? 

[badgerx16]

1 hour ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

Fucking hell…. Who would vote for this loon? 
 

 

The Greens seem to have lost the 'environ-' and just gone full on 'mental'.

Edited October 11 by badgerx16

[hypochondriac]

28 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

The Greens seem to have lost the 'environ-' and just gone full on 'mental'.

It will win them a load of attention and votes and make them completely unelectable. Arguably they weren't looking to get elected anyway, simply to act as a pressure group so from that perspective they are successful.

[pingpong]

Fucking hell, who watches this shite gotcha journalism seriously?

 

Edited October 11 by pingpong

[Turkish]

5 minutes ago, pingpong said:

Fucking hell, who watches this shite gotcha journalism seriously?

 

You?

[AlexLaw76]

6 minutes ago, pingpong said:

Fucking hell, who watches this shite gotcha journalism seriously?

 

May I ask, do you believe a woman can have a penis?

[benjii]

To be fair, Moron just seems like a cunt and Polanski seems like a very straight forward guy trying to have a conversation. 

[Lord Duckhunter]

Given the obsession with Tommy Robinson’s name, its strange the lefties don’t seem to call him David Paulden. 

[Sir Ralph]

On 12/10/2025 at 05:53, benjii said:

To be fair, Moron just seems like a cunt and Polanski seems like a very straight forward guy trying to have a conversation. 

This is the original article, only 12 years old.  Maybe he could growth or remove people's manhoods too? If he doesnt believe in basic facts I suppose anything is possible in his  world....

https://www.thesun.co.uk/fabulous/798031/can-you-really-think-your-boobs-bigger/

Edited October 13 by Sir Ralph

[hypochondriac]

Remarkable decline of young people in America identifying as trans with the number halving in two years. It's almost like it was all a trend and a social contagion after all for the vast majority. Anyone pushing drugs and surgeries on these people need locking up.

[pingpong]

39 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

Remarkable decline of young people in America identifying as trans with the number halving in two years. It's almost like it was all a trend and a social contagion after all for the vast majority. Anyone pushing drugs and surgeries on these people need locking up.

That graph doesn't show any identifiable drop in people identifying as trans, and certainly not halving.  

It shows the share of students not identifying as male or female.

That's not the same thing at all.

 

 

[sadoldgit]

On 15/10/2025 at 00:23, pingpong said:

That graph doesn't show any identifiable drop in people identifying as trans, and certainly not halving.  

It shows the share of students not identifying as male or female.

That's not the same thing at all.

 

 

Poor old hypo, you have to wonder if there is a minority group left that he isn’t phobic about.

[hypochondriac]

On 15/10/2025 at 00:23, pingpong said:

That graph doesn't show any identifiable drop in people identifying as trans, and certainly not halving.  

It shows the share of students not identifying as male or female.

That's not the same thing at all.

 

 

Here you go.

[Turkish]

36 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

Here you go.

It’s almost like it’s isn’t fashionable anymore…….

[hypochondriac]

28 minutes ago, Turkish said:

It’s almost like it’s isn’t fashionable anymore…….

Who could possibly have guessed.

[Turkish]

17 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

Who could possibly have guessed.

The ones who took pubery blockers, had sex changes or who were told they were in the wrong body but twisted individuals?

[hypochondriac]

37 minutes ago, Turkish said:

The ones who took pubery blockers, had sex changes or who were told they were in the wrong body but twisted individuals?

Thankfully many of these people who said they were trans did it for attention and most made no changes beyond a bit of makeup and clothing. The ones who took puberty blockers or had surgery are the ones who have had permanent alterations done and will rightly feel devastated by the choices the adults in their lives made. They were meant to protect them. It's a tragic situation all round but I hope any medical professionals involved are jailed for a long time.

[AlexLaw76]

Simple rule to navigate this tricky subject.

 

[swannymere]

 Wouldn't the culture war happening in the US and elsewhere make people less like to identify if it means they're going to be persecuted?

[Turkish]

25 minutes ago, swannymere said:

 Wouldn't the culture war happening in the US and elsewhere make people less like to identify if it means they're going to be persecuted?

I thought they all were persecuted anyway? We've been told for the last 10 years or so since it became a thing that it was so hard to be who they really are because they dont have safe spaces, get made fun of etc etc. 

I wouldn't have thought it would have made any difference?

[swannymere]

True, just been amped up to 11 by various groups who need feel the need to punch down; i don't get it.

[hypochondriac]

1 hour ago, swannymere said:

True, just been amped up to 11 by various groups who need feel the need to punch down; i don't get it.

I find that phrase very odd. When you have institutions like the NHS rowing in behind this stuff to the point that women are forced to change in the presence of a biological man, how is that lacking power? Until recently did you see the annual accounts of Stonewall and the amount of big businesses lining up behind gender ideology? 

It's not actually about punching anyone- metaphorically or otherwise-for many it is about protecting children and young people who don't know any better from doing irreversible harms to themselves in order to chase a fantasy that doesn't exist.

[swannymere]

 If you think trans women are the issue with regards to children and women wait till i introdue you to biological men.

[hypochondriac]

2 hours ago, swannymere said:

 If you think trans women are the issue with regards to children and women wait till i introdue you to biological men.

There's loads of issues with children and women. Trans ideology and the real world harm that has been done to children because of it is one issue and it involves both men and women (oh and of course trans women are biological men.)

[LuckyNumber7]

3 hours ago, swannymere said:

 If you think trans women are the issue with regards to children and women wait till i introdue you to biological men.

A trans woman is a biological man, and in some cases they are being allowed to use women's spaces. That's kind of the point.

[swannymere]

I'm not a female so i can't comment for myself but the general consensus amongst female friends and colleagues is that they don't have an issue with trans women, the problem is men in general.

[hypochondriac]

50 minutes ago, swannymere said:

I'm not a female so i can't comment for myself but the general consensus amongst female friends and colleagues is that they don't have an issue with trans women, the problem is men in general.

I'm not sure your anecdotal evidence of females you know is of any more value than the absolute ton of evidence from women who very much do mind. There's also men with daughters and other female relatives who mind very much.

Also worth pointing out that if you have an issue with men in general then that would include trans women.

Edited Wednesday at 10:57 by hypochondriac

[swannymere]

 True, i don't know that a majority of women do mind, but i'm open to persuasion or evidence.

[hypochondriac]

2 minutes ago, swannymere said:

 True, i don't know that a majority of women do mind, but i'm open to persuasion or evidence.

The fact that a sizable number do mind is the only thing that matters and how do we know for sure how many women feel uncomfortable by the presence of a man in a female only space? No women should be in a position where they have to use a female changing room and have a biological man in it. Similarly things like female prisons, rape crisis centres etc. 

If you ensure that female only spaces are restricted to biological women then the only people inconvenienced by that will be biological me who feel comfortable presenting as a woman. Unfortunately that will mean they will have to either use the spaces that are aligned with their biological sex or an alternative neutral space if one is provided. 

[sadoldgit]

22 hours ago, LuckyNumber7 said:

A trans woman is a biological man, and in some cases they are being allowed to use women's spaces. That's kind of the point.

Do you think that trans women use women’s spaces because they get some kind of sexual kick out of it and pose threats to the women? Would you expect them to use men’s spaces? How do you know if a trans woman is a trans woman? Aren’t women worried about lesbians in women only spaces?

I get the impression that there is an assumption that women are not safe around trans women. I am not sure how many men use being a trans woman as a front to get close to women but as has been said before, women and girls are far more likely to be assaulted by a man presenting as a man than they are by a trans woman. You have to wonder why some people make more of a fuss about trans women using women’s spaces than they do about men assaulting females.

 

 

 

[AlexLaw76]

1 hour ago, sadoldgit said:

Do you think that trans women use women’s spaces because they get some kind of sexual kick out of it and pose threats to the women? Would you expect them to use men’s spaces? How do you know if a trans woman is a trans woman? Aren’t women worried about lesbians in women only spaces?

I get the impression that there is an assumption that women are not safe around trans women. I am not sure how many men use being a trans woman as a front to get close to women but as has been said before, women and girls are far more likely to be assaulted by a man presenting as a man than they are by a trans woman. You have to wonder why some people make more of a fuss about trans women using women’s spaces than they do about men assaulting females.

 

 

 

Nice bit of ManSplaining 

[Turkish]

3 hours ago, sadoldgit said:

Do you think that trans women use women’s spaces because they get some kind of sexual kick out of it and pose threats to the women? Would you expect them to use men’s spaces? How do you know if a trans woman is a trans woman? Aren’t women worried about lesbians in women only spaces?

I get the impression that there is an assumption that women are not safe around trans women. I am not sure how many men use being a trans woman as a front to get close to women but as has been said before, women and girls are far more likely to be assaulted by a man presenting as a man than they are by a trans woman. You have to wonder why some people make more of a fuss about trans women using women’s spaces than they do about men assaulting females.

 

 

 

Course they fucking are there are about 4 billion blokes in the world and a handful of trans women who think everything should change because them 

[hypochondriac]

3 hours ago, sadoldgit said:

Do you think that trans women use women’s spaces because they get some kind of sexual kick out of it and pose threats to the women? Would you expect them to use men’s spaces? How do you know if a trans woman is a trans woman? Aren’t women worried about lesbians in women only spaces?

I get the impression that there is an assumption that women are not safe around trans women. I am not sure how many men use being a trans woman as a front to get close to women but as has been said before, women and girls are far more likely to be assaulted by a man presenting as a man than they are by a trans woman. You have to wonder why some people make more of a fuss about trans women using women’s spaces than they do about men assaulting females.

 

 

 

How would you possibly know ? I'm sure lots of biological men who believe themselves to be women are no danger to women but I'm equally sure that some are perverts who want access to women's spaces for their own pleasure. We don't know which ones are the dangerous ones so they're all banned.

[swannymere]

So by the logic being presented on the other side of the aisle when a trans man goes to use the womens toilets who's going to do the check that they're actually physical female?

[Weston Super Saint]

8 minutes ago, swannymere said:

So by the logic being presented on the other side of the aisle when a trans man goes to use the womens toilets who's going to do the check that they're actually physical female?

Crocodile Dundee

[hypochondriac]

37 minutes ago, swannymere said:

So by the logic being presented on the other side of the aisle when a trans man goes to use the womens toilets who's going to do the check that they're actually physical female?

Making it clear that biological men in women's changing rooms and toilets is socially unacceptable and unambiguously wrong will make a difference. Rather like a stop sign on a road, it won't stop all people from breaking the law but it will hugely reduce instances and problems resulting from it. The blurring of the lines is ripe for abuse. There have been a small number of instances where men are openly getting naked in spaces like changing rooms and telling women they are entitled to be there. These instances will stop. 

Edited yesterday at 10:45 by hypochondriac

[Sir Ralph]

18 hours ago, sadoldgit said:

Do you think that trans women use women’s spaces because they get some kind of sexual kick out of it and pose threats to the women? Would you expect them to use men’s spaces? How do you know if a trans woman is a trans woman? Aren’t women worried about lesbians in women only spaces?

I get the impression that there is an assumption that women are not safe around trans women. I am not sure how many men use being a trans woman as a front to get close to women but as has been said before, women and girls are far more likely to be assaulted by a man presenting as a man than they are by a trans woman. You have to wonder why some people make more of a fuss about trans women using women’s spaces than they do about men assaulting females.

 

 

 

heres some evidence in the news the same day you posted. If you have a daughter or wife I assume you would be ok with this? I'm surprised that allegedly rationale people defend men in womens toilets.  https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cge51zwz384o

 

[LuckyNumber7]

18 hours ago, sadoldgit said:

 

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Do you think that trans women use women’s spaces because they get some kind of sexual kick out of it and pose threats to the women?

Not all, but some of them absolutely.

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Would you expect them to use men’s spaces?

Yes. If you're a biological male, you use a men's space.

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How do you know if a trans woman is a trans woman?

It's mostly pretty obvious. Not suggesting you have police stood outside toilets checking though. As with anything there has to be a degree of self policing.

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Aren’t women worried about lesbians in women only spaces?

I don't know, but that's not the point is it. A lesbian woman is entitled to use a women's bathroom just as a gay man should use the men's bathroom.

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I get the impression that there is an assumption that women are not safe around trans women. I am not sure how many men use being a trans woman as a front to get close to women but as has been said before, women and girls are far more likely to be assaulted by a man presenting as a man than they are by a trans woman. You have to wonder why some people make more of a fuss about trans women using women’s spaces than they do about men assaulting females.

Well as Turkish said of course they're more likely to be assaulted by a man than a trans woman, just due to the numbers. No one is suggesting all trans women are a danger to women, but some are and they simply should not be allowed into women's spaces. Otherwise why have gender segregated spaces at all? 

I really can't believe some people think it's controversial to suggest biological men should not be using women's spaces, but this is where the world is at in 2025.

[swannymere]

2 hours ago, hypochondriac said:

 Rather like a stop sign on a road, it won't stop all people from breaking the law but it will hugely reduce instances and problems resulting from it. 

Is there any evidence to support that? 

[hypochondriac]

6 minutes ago, swannymere said:

Is there any evidence to support that? 

Evidence that making something socially unacceptable and clear that it's wrong will result in more people complying? I'm sure there's plenty of evidence but off the top of my head the wearing of seatbelts in cars. There's a few examples I have seen of tribunals or other incidents where men in women's changing rooms are extremely brazen and entitled about being there. Something like that should stop those at the very least but clearly the atmosphere of being unsure of what is allowed or not and being ambiguous about who is allowed in has meant that those in authority have felt unable to do anything (see the recent NHS fife tribunal for details.)