Women’s Football

[suewhistle]

I've just been researching where to watch the game in Torino, as that's where I'll be and my Italian friend hasn't a clue. Anybody got Che's number?

I was hoping for an early night but just coming down now...

 

[Patrick Bateman]

I caught the end - another bloody awful penalty, but they've obviously been practising following up the rebound saves as there were at least 2 who could've scored - so fair play, I like that solution.

Edited Tuesday at 22:52 by Patrick Bateman

[Saint_clark]

2 minutes ago, Patrick Bateman said:

I caught the end - another bloody awful penalty, but they've obviously been practising following up the rebound saves as there were at least 2 who could've scored - so fair play, I like that solution.

I think if Toone had scored it would have been retaken. She was within the D on the edge of the box as Kelly struck the initial pen. 

[SW11_Saint]

26 minutes ago, suewhistle said:

I've just been researching where to watch the game in Torino, as that's where I'll be and my Italian friend hasn't a clue. Anybody got Che's number?

I was hoping for an early night but just coming down now...

 

My daughter just left there the other day to travel to Geneva for the match tonight. Loved Turin. Not sure she was in any sports bars though! Bound to be an Irish pub or two, there always is! 

[SW11_Saint]

22 minutes ago, Saint_clark said:

I think if Toone had scored it would have been retaken. She was within the D on the edge of the box as Kelly struck the initial pen. 

Possibly… though I thought it she timed it just about right. Who knows with VAR though! 

[Turkish]

3 hours ago, suewhistle said:

I've just been researching where to watch the game in Torino, as that's where I'll be and my Italian friend hasn't a clue. Anybody got Che's number?

I was hoping for an early night but just coming down now...

 

Find some apple trees Sue, you can stick a TV up and talk about saintsweb ‘tip your hearts content

[Turkish]

3 hours ago, Patrick Bateman said:

I caught the end - another bloody awful penalty, but they've obviously been practising following up the rebound saves as there were at least 2 who could've scored - so fair play, I like that solution.

Been practicing but still a shocker 😂

I’m away in a different continent so couldn’t watch it but saw the highlights on phone.

Chloe Kelly is massive game changer brilliant in quarters and final same As the big black bird who Comes off the bench made a difference twice now. One of them if you start them will then be as effective? Quite probably not 

[AlexLaw76]

Facts are facts

 

[SW11_Saint]

7 hours ago, SWLondon Saint said:

Thought they won that in spite of the manager - too slow to react, engine room of the side is all wrong. Italy were there for the taking the last 25-30 of regular time, they were nearly on top of their own keeper but the manager should have changed it a lot earlier.

Ditto the Sweden game. Will she learn in the final? 

[Holmes_and_Watson]

2 hours ago, SW11_Saint said:

Ditto the Sweden game. Will she learn in the final? 

Sure Agyemang could have come on earlier, as could Kelly. Yes, the midfield is not at it's best.

However, Wiegman has put out a very balanced side. She does use a load of different options during the game. All the players know how to adjust. Despite any natural disappointment in not starting, the squad know the approach, and not one of the subs fails to have an impact.

Agyemang is so far a great impact player, but Russo offers much more.

Toone was quiet. For me, she along with Carter were the Euro 22 players, I thought would not start by now. But Toone links up well when it's Russo and Mead on. She was first to that late pen, apart from the taker.

Carter came on late. Italy offered a different challenge, and Carter is trusted to fill in anywhere across the back, and helps cover for Bronze being forward.

Kelly is excellent, as is Mead. But Hemp is rightfully the starter on one flank. Having two wider players messes with that balance, although both can and do cut in. James is versatile and a match winner, and is just ahead of Mead.

You can see changes each game, based on things they work on. For an international side, with limited time together, there's a really strong club togetherness from the squad.

[Football Special]

2 hours ago, AlexLaw76 said:

Facts are facts

 

Come on these sorts of posts are put out by trolls to get a reaction,  just ignore it. 

As for the Lionnesses they've done really well to make the final, hope they go on and win it , I think Spain look strongest team though 

[Weston Super Saint]

3 hours ago, AlexLaw76 said:

Facts are facts

 

Isn't Chloe Kelly a 'striker'?

Surely the third or fourth striker's name on a team sheet would be the first or second sub?  Possibly second or third sub if only one up front!

Not the ringing endorsement 'Bernice' was looking for I suspect.

[saintant]

4 hours ago, AlexLaw76 said:

Facts are facts

 

Ridiculous. She can't even get in the women's X1 although I think she should be one of the first picks when compared to some of the dross.

[saintant]

1 hour ago, Holmes_and_Watson said:

Sure Agyemang could have come on earlier, as could Kelly. Yes, the midfield is not at it's best.

However, Wiegman has put out a very balanced side. She does use a load of different options during the game. All the players know how to adjust. Despite any natural disappointment in not starting, the squad know the approach, and not one of the subs fails to have an impact.

Agyemang is so far a great impact player, but Russo offers much more.

Toone was quiet. For me, she along with Carter were the Euro 22 players, I thought would not start by now. But Toone links up well when it's Russo and Mead on. She was first to that late pen, apart from the taker.

Carter came on late. Italy offered a different challenge, and Carter is trusted to fill in anywhere across the back, and helps cover for Bronze being forward.

Kelly is excellent, as is Mead. But Hemp is rightfully the starter on one flank. Having two wider players messes with that balance, although both can and do cut in. James is versatile and a match winner, and is just ahead of Mead.

You can see changes each game, based on things they work on. For an international side, with limited time together, there's a really strong club togetherness from the squad.

Hemp was hopeless last night. Lost the ball practically every time she took on an opponent, misplaced headers and passes all game. She looked marginally better when dropping deeper at the end of the game but generally she was very poor and Kelly certainly showed her what she should have been doing when she came on.

[SW11_Saint]

1 hour ago, Holmes_and_Watson said:

Sure Agyemang could have come on earlier, as could Kelly. Yes, the midfield is not at it's best.

However, Wiegman has put out a very balanced side. She does use a load of different options during the game. All the players know how to adjust. Despite any natural disappointment in not starting, the squad know the approach, and not one of the subs fails to have an impact.

Agyemang is so far a great impact player, but Russo offers much more.

Toone was quiet. For me, she along with Carter were the Euro 22 players, I thought would not start by now. But Toone links up well when it's Russo and Mead on. She was first to that late pen, apart from the taker.

Carter came on late. Italy offered a different challenge, and Carter is trusted to fill in anywhere across the back, and helps cover for Bronze being forward.

Kelly is excellent, as is Mead. But Hemp is rightfully the starter on one flank. Having two wider players messes with that balance, although both can and do cut in. James is versatile and a match winner, and is just ahead of Mead.

You can see changes each game, based on things they work on. For an international side, with limited time together, there's a really strong club togetherness from the squad.

I’m not sure we’ll be in a position to snatch a late win if it’s Spain in the final, but regardless I hope she acts more quickly with the subs if we’re behind… 

[OldNick]

57 minutes ago, saintant said:

Ridiculous. She can't even get in the women's X1 although I think she should be one of the first picks when compared to some of the dross.

I wonder if she saw how many posts/replies somebody got when they said James was better than any male footballer

[Holmes_and_Watson]

40 minutes ago, SW11_Saint said:

I’m not sure we’ll be in a position to snatch a late win if it’s Spain in the final, but regardless I hope she acts more quickly with the subs if we’re behind… 

The Spain v England friendly had really open spells, where both sides had excellent passing moves. England used to be good at this, but other sides have adjusted, not least in stopping Walsh getting time on the ball. Spain are just better at that part, and have plenty of players as capable as Walsh, making it harder to shut that down.

I expect England to pretty much set up the way they always do. A bit more pressure, getting more bodies in the box, as well as accuracy in deliveries could put any opponent on the back foot. 

I agree it would be nice to not leave it so late this time. 🙂

Just thinking that defensively, Sweden's opener was from a defensive error, while they also had chances to clear Italy's chance, and they didn't create much more. So, fine margins would allow England a bit more room in the game, and not have to keep breaking teams down for an equaliser.

[OldNick]

Frustrated that the subs were so late. The Angemang would be a better bet for Arseanal mens up front lol 😀

Mead came on and was useless (ok she won the penalty) also Beever Jones. 

Thought Kelly actually can cross and hit the ball with power wheras the corners from the other side kept going straight to the keeper. Angemang was also useful and potential. 

[Holmes_and_Watson]

1 hour ago, saintant said:

Hemp was hopeless last night. Lost the ball practically every time she took on an opponent, misplaced headers and passes all game. She looked marginally better when dropping deeper at the end of the game but generally she was very poor and Kelly certainly showed her what she should have been doing when she came on.

Hemp's output hasn't been to her usual standard. With only Russo to aim for, I thought that applied to some of the others as well. England struggled to create much. But they moved through Wiegman's gameplay  until something worked.

You could make an argument for the starters to be Kelly on the left, with Russo up front, James supporting and Mead out right, overlapped by Bronze.

But despite the strength there, Hemp and Toone bring other things to the team too.

[AlexLaw76]

Bank Holiday weekend should they win.....

[Stripey McStripe Shirt]

21 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

Bank Holiday weekend should they win.....

Absolutely. Logistically probably difficult to organise at such short notice, but we should definitely have one in about 5 weeks time.

[saintant]

1 hour ago, Holmes_and_Watson said:

Hemp's output hasn't been to her usual standard. With only Russo to aim for, I thought that applied to some of the others as well. England struggled to create much. But they moved through Wiegman's gameplay  until something worked.

You could make an argument for the starters to be Kelly on the left, with Russo up front, James supporting and Mead out right, overlapped by Bronze.

But despite the strength there, Hemp and Toone bring other things to the team too.

Kelly is far better than Hemp on recent showings.

[23rdSaint]

10 hours ago, Turkish said:

the big black bird

I'll bite. I know being an edgelord is kinda your schtick but is it really that hard to write her name? She's Michelle Agyemang, a 19-year-old whose goals have led England to another major tournament final. 
 

I'm sure you expect some form of respect for your forum post count (it's an average of 54 per week across 18 years for this user account alone, and I'm pretty sure you spent some of that on hiatus), so is it really so hard to reciprocate?

Edited Wednesday at 12:52 by 23rdSaint

[Turkish]

48 minutes ago, 23rdSaint said:

I'll bite. I know being an edgelord is kinda your schtick but is it really that hard to write her name? She's Michelle Agyemang, a 19-year-old whose goals have led England to another major tournament final. 
 

I'm sure you expect some form of respect for your average weekly forum post count over the past 18 years under this account alone (it's 54, and I'm pretty sure you spent some time on hiatus), so is it really so hard to reciprocate?

Oh look another poster with an account for 15 years and barely any posts but suddenly appears having a pop at me,  immediately “liked” by another long term lurker who has also recently started posting a lot too 😂😂😂

thanks for reminding me of her name pal 👍

[Saint_clark]

8 hours ago, AlexLaw76 said:

Facts are facts

 

Wish they wouldn't say ridiculous shit like this, only serves to undermine the effort to get people interested in watching. 

[Turkish]

4 minutes ago, Saint_clark said:

Wish they wouldn't say ridiculous shit like this, only serves to undermine the effort to get people interested in watching. 

That and the one about Lauren James being the best player in the world across men’s and women’s football. Utterly stupid 

[Holmes_and_Watson]

13 minutes ago, Saint_clark said:

Wish they wouldn't say ridiculous shit like this, only serves to undermine the effort to get people interested in watching. 

 

8 minutes ago, Turkish said:

That and the one about Lauren James being the best player in the world across men’s and women’s football. Utterly stupid 

It's nonsense. But if you look for any opinion on social media, there's bound to be people saying and supporting it, I guess.

I took too long making my half time tea yesterday, so missed the best football player in humanity's history ,James, going off with what I think was a knock. 🙂

[East Kent Saint]

25 minutes ago, Turkish said:

Oh look another poster with an account for 15 years and barely any posts but suddenly appears having a pop at me,  immediately “liked” by another long term lurker who has also recently started posting a lot too 😂😂😂

thanks for reminding me of her name pal 👍

I think a little bit of respect from you Turkish would be the way to go .

At the the moment you are sounding like Trump 2

[Turkish]

15 minutes ago, East Kent Saint said:

I think a little bit of respect from you Turkish would be the way to go .

At the the moment you are sounding like Trump 2

I forgot her name pal, as I mentioned I’m in a different continent so didn’t watch it.  My posts have been very complimentary  about them but the wallies demanding respect 😂

Apologies I forgot the name of someone no one on here had heard of until a week ago Trump 2, hilarious  😂

 

[Sheaf Saint]

9 hours ago, AlexLaw76 said:

Facts are facts

 

 

41 minutes ago, Turkish said:

That and the one about Lauren James being the best player in the world across men’s and women’s football. Utterly stupid 

Random person in posting stupid shit on the internet shocker.

[Sheaf Saint]

9 minutes ago, Turkish said:

I forgot her name pal, as I mentioned I’m in a different continent so didn’t watch it.  My posts have been very complimentary  about them but the wallies demanding respect 😂

Apologies I forgot the name of someone no one on here had heard of until a week ago Trump 2, hilarious  😂

 

Simply forgetting her name doesn't excuse the use of such a derogatory term. Instead of your usual deflection tactic Turks, why not just show a bit of humility and acknowledge that.

[Turkish]

2 minutes ago, Sheaf Saint said:

Simply forgetting her name doesn't excuse the use of such a derogatory term. Instead of your usual deflection tactic Turks, why not just show a bit of humility and acknowledge that.

What was derogatory about it?

[iansums]

Agyemang came across very well in her interview after the game, spoke well and was incredibly humble, fait play to her.

[Sheaf Saint]

36 minutes ago, Turkish said:

What was derogatory about it?

Yep, another deflection. So predictable.

The fact that you need to ask speaks volumes. But I suspect you don't really need to ask, because you're obviously intelligent enough to work it out for yourself, and you're just being obtuse, as usual.

[Turkish]

13 minutes ago, Sheaf Saint said:

Yep, another deflection. So predictable.

The fact that you need to ask speaks volumes. But I suspect you don't really need to ask, because you're obviously intelligent enough to work it out for yourself, and you're just being obtuse, as usual.

OMG it’s like having a bird if you don’t know what’s wrong I’m not going to tell you, now you’re just being unreasonable etc 

Okay you win I apologise for upsetting a middle white age bloke in Sheffield and an old white bloke in Kent 

happy now?

[OldNick]

28 minutes ago, Turkish said:

OMG it’s like having a bird if you don’t know what’s wrong I’m not going to tell you, now you’re just being unreasonable etc 

Okay you win I apologise for upsetting a middle white age bloke in Sheffield and an old white bloke in Kent 

happy now?

Turks behave, you are coming across as Duckhunter youre better than that. I dont know what is going on, Im noticing many normally resonable people getting aggressive all of a sudden , Ive noticed it it even with business dealings also with people who normally are sane. All this white,black, bird stuff is not something I associate with you, devilment yes but not the other stuff 

[Holmes_and_Watson]

1 hour ago, iansums said:

Agyemang came across very well in her interview after the game, spoke well and was incredibly humble, fait play to her.

Did well dealing with the media team's story hook of her being a ball girl 4 years ago.

She gave a humble reply, rather than the more honest reply of "and that first day as a ball girl, was the first time I'd ever seen a football. It's not like I was a talented youngster or anything, you clown"

[East Kent Saint]

1 hour ago, Turkish said:

OMG it’s like having a bird if you don’t know what’s wrong I’m not going to tell you, now you’re just being unreasonable etc 

Okay you win I apologise for upsetting a middle white age bloke in Sheffield and an old white bloke in Kent 

happy now?

You didn't upset me I just thought it was disrespectful ,  below your normal standard. Slagging felow posters off is one thing etc

[East Kent Saint]

2 hours ago, Turkish said:

I forgot her name pal, as I mentioned I’m in a different continent so didn’t watch it.  My posts have been very complimentary  about them but the wallies demanding respect 😂

Apologies I forgot the name of someone no one on here had heard of until a week ago Trump 2, hilarious  😂

 

Trump 2 is reference to Trump’s response to any comments is to insult , ridicule and make false accusations against that person or group .

[AlexLaw76]

2 hours ago, Turkish said:

OMG it’s like having a bird if you don’t know what’s wrong I’m not going to tell you, now you’re just being unreasonable etc 

Okay you win I apologise for upsetting a middle white age bloke in Sheffield and an old white bloke in Kent 

happy now?

If you don’t get ITK about women’s football for about 3 weeks of the year, then you Sir are you bigot!

Edited Wednesday at 17:16 by AlexLaw76

[Turkish]

39 minutes ago, East Kent Saint said:

Trump 2 is reference to Trump’s response to any comments is to insult , ridicule and make false accusations against that person or group .

What false accusation did I make against you?

[Turkish]

3 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

If you don’t get ITK about women’s football for about 3 weeks if the year, then you Sir are you bigot!

I expect barely anyone posting this forum had heard of Agyemang at the start of July 

[Turkish]

3 hours ago, OldNick said:

Turks behave, you are coming across as Duckhunter youre better than that. I dont know what is going on, Im noticing many normally resonable people getting aggressive all of a sudden , Ive noticed it it even with business dealings also with people who normally are sane. All this white,black, bird stuff is not something I associate with you, devilment yes but not the other stuff 

I don’t consider myself better or worse than anyone so the duck hunter comment is unnecessary. It’s quite amusing the amount of people getting themselves angry about the “disrespect” a young girl they’d not even heard of 2 weeks ago mind 

[CB Fry]

All your life

You were only waiting for this moment to arise.

[Turkish]

6 minutes ago, CB Fry said:

All your life

You were only waiting for this moment to arise.

Just to confirm this is not a CoT clue that we are signing her

Edited Wednesday at 19:23 by Turkish

[gurru991]

On 19/06/2022 at 16:23, Ex Lion Tamer said:

Women's football is only where it is because the FA banned it for decades. There's no reason it shouldn't be like tennis with broadly equal interest, it just needs a push so more people get to know the players and so that more young girls start playing and raising the standard.

I find it hilarious that people get so butthurt about it - it really doesn't impinge on you if you decide not to click on the articles

Folks just love to whinge. I'm with you, if you don't like it, don't watch it !!

[Sheaf Saint]

12 minutes ago, Turkish said:

I don’t consider myself better or worse than anyone so the duck hunter comment is unnecessary. It’s quite amusing the amount of people getting themselves angry about the “disrespect” a young girl they’d not even heard of 2 weeks ago mind 

Thus proving that you simply don't get it, still. The fact that nobody had heard of her a fortnight ago is totally irrelevant.

I thought, just maybe, that you might be capable of showing enough maturity to recognise that your choice of wording was highly insensitive - for reasons that should be so fucking obvious they don't need to be spelled out.

Obviously I was wrong.

[Turkish]

3 minutes ago, Sheaf Saint said:

Thus proving that you simply don't get it, still. The fact that nobody had heard of her a fortnight ago is totally irrelevant.

I thought, just maybe, that you might be capable of showing enough maturity to recognise that your choice of wording was highly insensitive - for reasons that should be so fucking obvious they don't need to be spelled out.

Obviously I was wrong.

Insensitive to whom?

[Holmes_and_Watson]

Germany keeping their shape as much as possible to limit overstretching, and allowing Spain in behind. Even then, as it approached half time, Spain hit the post and Berger had to make a number of saves. That was due to Germany not getting out of their own third, without losing possession.

Germany had some joy with direct balls into the channel. Bohl's chance went just side, while a couple of others ended as offside. As the half went on, Germany struggled to sustain any momentum.

A number of deliberate fouls early on set out both sides' determination not to concede ground, setting the tone as controlled from both, until the later stages of the half when Spain got in plenty of attacks.

[Saint_clark]

20 minutes ago, Holmes_and_Watson said:

Germany keeping their shape as much as possible to limit overstretching, and allowing Spain in behind. Even then, as it approached half time, Spain hit the post and Berger had to make a number of saves. That was due to Germany not getting out of their own third, without losing possession.

Germany had some joy with direct balls into the channel. Bohl's chance went just side, while a couple of others ended as offside. As the half went on, Germany struggled to sustain any momentum.

A number of deliberate fouls early on set out both sides' determination not to concede ground, setting the tone as controlled from both, until the later stages of the half when Spain got in plenty of attacks.

The "success" Germany are having going long bodes well for us if we face Spain as we do well when playing it in behind for Hemp or Russo, and Agyemang was holding it up brilliantly. 

On the flip side if we are facing Germany I would be confident that they haven't got much offensively to worry our defence.