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A very poor morning for Hants so far. Awful bowling, poor field placement and another relatively straightforward chance dropped.

No doubt the constant change of format between T20 and Championship doesn't really help.

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19 minutes ago, Hodgey said:

Is the pitch totally flat or are Hampshire bowling filth ? Can’t tell but it looks like they hit 50 runs for the last batting point with 9 down in about 4 overs….

Haven't watched for a while because the Tour is interesting today. But earlier on our bowling was desperately bad. No pace, no variation, just straight up and down waiting to be hit, Fuller was just painful to watch.  Dawson plugged away but got nothing, organ seems to have bowled a few overs late on but is getting hit . Perhaps Holland was a better option than him.  Hampshire will no doubt produce a batting debacle again and we'll lose by a shedload.

Arses need to be kicked, the pitch looks flat and so do Hampshire.  

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1 minute ago, Toadhall Saint said:

500 all out - mountain to climb.

And Weatherley gets bowled first ball of the innings. Got nowhere near a dobby seam ball. Hants are a T20 side and nothing more, won't be until they get us a real opener, but I guess they don't come cheap so we won't.

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We are 3rd in the League before this match. Hardly just a T20 side!

We have looked to bring in experience at the top order but as said, they do not come cheap.

We looked at an overseas player that would have been ideal as he hates giving his wicket away and would likely have come but he wants so much more than our present overseas players and is too expensive. 

there is an English player that we also feel would come to us but we cannot match his existing salary by a lot!

As the information came from the top I am not able to name names and at least one is still under contract with another county 

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50 minutes ago, Weston Saint said:

We are 3rd in the League before this match. Hardly just a T20 side!

We have looked to bring in experience at the top order but as said, they do not come cheap.

We looked at an overseas player that would have been ideal as he hates giving his wicket away and would likely have come but he wants so much more than our present overseas players and is too expensive. 

there is an English player that we also feel would come to us but we cannot match his existing salary by a lot!

As the information came from the top I am not able to name names and at least one is still under contract with another county 

Third, right !  But that's a false position isn't it because some sides have played less games.  Unless we can pull off some miracle and get a draw here,Somerset and Warks will go above us and Lancs have a game less as well. We have royally screwed up on the batting line up once again and the ability of the bowlers to dig us out of trouble agaiinst good sides is waning. We'll finish 5th or 6th this time round, no great disaster but it will come about next season if we don't get some real batters at the top of the order and some younger bowlers into the side. Abbas looks hacked off most of the time and Barker isn't cutting it any more. We also need to put an end to dropping soft catches, cost us a lot in this game and against Lancs. 

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27 minutes ago, Toadhall Saint said:

Think we are looking to sat and wanting some extra time off by the way we are batting today 

Nah, they're just shite at batting.  I mean Vince, when will he learn not to waft at balls a foot outside off?  And Dawson, a slog sweep to deep midwicket. They know they're in the also rans for the CC this season and can't be arsed to bat properly. I'd drop them all for the next championship game.

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It does feel like they have given up here - knowing they can’t win the game - interesting that they are continuing the win or lose trend rather that try for a draw. This looks like zero batting points yet again which isn’t too clever - especially as they didn’t get full bowling points.

Really can’t use the T20 excuse - Somerset are in the exact same boat and only 3 of the players here will be involved.

This batting issue has gone on far too long, was an issue last season too. We do need to be careful as the bowlers are ageing and struggle once wickets are worn in / sun is shining. Hopefully the likes of Turner and Currie will break through, plus Prest and Albert. Not sure you can realistically look to win a championship with only 4 specialist batsmen (one of those being very suspect, another being a rookie)

 

 

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23 hours ago, Hodgey said:

Is the pitch totally flat or are Hampshire bowling filth ? Can’t tell but it looks like they hit 50 runs for the last batting point with 9 down in about 4 overs….

 

20 minutes ago, Hodgey said:

It does feel like they have given up here - knowing they can’t win the game - interesting that they are continuing the win or lose trend rather that try for a draw. This looks like zero batting points yet again which isn’t too clever - especially as they didn’t get full bowling points.

Really can’t use the T20 excuse - Somerset are in the exact same boat and only 3 of the players here will be involved.

This batting issue has gone on far too long, was an issue last season too. We do need to be careful as the bowlers are ageing and struggle once wickets are worn in / sun is shining. Hopefully the likes of Turner and Currie will break through, plus Prest and Albert. Not sure you can realistically look to win a championship with only 4 specialist batsmen (one of those being very suspect, another being a rookie)

 

 

Hants got 3 bowling points and Somerset 4 batting points. The cutoff is 110 overs.

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22 hours ago, Weston Saint said:

We looked at an overseas player that would have been ideal as he hates giving his wicket away and would likely have come but he wants so much more than our present overseas players and is too expensive. 

there is an English player that we also feel would come to us but we cannot match his existing salary by a lot!

There is a salary cap across the entire county game, and it's the same number for every county. Surrey seem to have a squad of about 50 players with huge depth, especially among the bowlers, and yet our depth is more or less non-existent - to the extent that the current first-choice openers wouldn't be 5th choice at the Oval, even with Rory Burns averaging about 10 this season - so if we have a much smaller group of players then that should mean that we can afford to pay the bigger salaries for the better players. Unless of course we've already committed big money to the mediocre players that are already there.

We've completely wasted this season and last with the best bowling attack we've had in my lifetime because we don't have enough quality batsmen. It's pretty incredible that we came as close as we did last year when we were pissing around with an opening pair from Weatherley, Organ and Holland. Middleton looks like he has something about him, but he's a kid who we shouldn't have to solely rely on.

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7 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

Follow on enforced.

Right, we can't win this but with some sensible batting we can get a draw and 10 points, that will keep Somerset behind us in the league.

So what we do not want to see here is: Wafting outside off stump, slog sweeping,iffy runs leading to run-outs, getting caught down the leg side chasing balls that should be left alone.

Should be alright if we do that. 

Hah, Abbott opening.

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1 minute ago, Window Cleaner said:


So what we do not want to see here is: Wafting outside off stump, slog sweeping,iffy runs leading to run-outs, getting caught down the leg side chasing balls that should be left alone.

 

You expect them to change the habits of a season mid match ?

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34 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

Presumably he was sent out to 'protect' Weatherley 😞

Well that didn't work out very well. A grand total of one run in his two innings.

Didn't he average about 10 last season?

How long before they decide he's never going to make it in red ball?

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Absolutely clueless.  Gubbins sticking around, Brown as well until he committed one of Hampshire's peche mignons, chasing a nothing ball down the leg side.

Probably all wishing they'd signed on for the lastest franchise extravaganza. I see that Sams has gone there, won't be playing for Essex on Saturday then.

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4 minutes ago, Window Cleaner said:

Absolutely clueless.  Gubbins sticking around, Brown as well until he committed one of Hampshire's peche mignons, chasing a nothing ball down the leg side.

Probably all wishing they'd signed on for the lastest franchise extravaganza. I see that Sams has gone there, won't be playing for Essex on Saturday then.

Roy as well - so won’t be playing for Surrey. 
 

anyway who’s going to edgebaston?

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7 minutes ago, Andrew Watson said:

Magnificent from Gubbins and Dawson,not sure the team as a whole deserved a draw though.

Some of them surely, but there were valuable contributions from at least half of the team over the match. At least three dreadful performances though, Weatherley, Fuller and dare I say it, Vince. Nothing much from Barker or Abbas either.

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1 hour ago, Window Cleaner said:

Good draw.  At least Brown, Gubbins and Dawson stepped up.  Wouldn't be at all surprised to see Vince quit 4 day cricket next season. doesn't look capable of getting his head down and slugging it out any more.

Vince is 4th highest run scorer in division with average of 57.87.  Hardly a failure. I sit with his father during matches. I also spend time with the chairman. He is focused. An excellent captain. Main problem is lack of good openers to take the new ball.

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Good on them for fighting out a draw, would have been easy to throw the towel. Dawson is having another good season, bowlers not on it this match but you can’t blame them for that given how many games they have carried us.

Another frustrating season as in reality we were only a couple of quality batsmen short of being possibly double champions - think that time has passed as there’ll be chinks in the bowling shortly.

Onwards to the t20 - looking fwd to that, and hopefully the one day comp will give the young players more exposure and chance to break into the first (recall that Turner had a good run in it last year)

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9 hours ago, Hodgey said:

Good on them for fighting out a draw, would have been easy to throw the towel. Dawson is having another good season, bowlers not on it this match but you can’t blame them for that given how many games they have carried us.

Another frustrating season as in reality we were only a couple of quality batsmen short of being possibly double champions - think that time has passed as there’ll be chinks in the bowling shortly.

Onwards to the t20 - looking fwd to that, and hopefully the one day comp will give the young players more exposure and chance to break into the first (recall that Turner had a good run in it last year)

There are still two 4 day games before the One Day Cup, three if you count the game against Dorset at the end of the month. Notts next week and then Essex the week after.

Going back to the game that finished yesterday, I just can't help feeling that the turning point was the drop of Aldridge on 8. That taken they were 6 for about a hundred down and on the ropes with the tail exposed to bowlers who weren't yet worn down. Take that simple waste high sitter and we'd probably have been in with a chance of a win. 

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20 minutes ago, Window Cleaner said:

There are still two 4 day games before the One Day Cup, three if you count the game against Dorset at the end of the month. Notts next week and then Essex the week after.

Going back to the game that finished yesterday, I just can't help feeling that the turning point was the drop of Aldridge on 8. That taken they were 6 for about a hundred down and on the ropes with the tail exposed to bowlers who weren't yet worn down. Take that simple waste high sitter and we'd probably have been in with a chance of a win. 

Dare I say it ….. catches win……..I’ll let you fill in the rest.

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It's disappointing that players couldn't postpone starting in the US tournament in order to play finals day... Albeit Hants aren't affected so suppose it helps us.  I wonder if Vince was approached to play in it?

Weather looks shocking at edgbaston tomorrow so it's a good bet the games will be played on Sunday

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3 minutes ago, Barsiem said:

It's disappointing that players couldn't postpone starting in the US tournament in order to play finals day... Albeit Hants aren't affected so suppose it helps us.  I wonder if Vince was approached to play in it?

Weather looks shocking at edgbaston tomorrow so it's a good bet the games will be played on Sunday

Sams at least will be at finals day.

If McDermott is still injured could Hants rope in another overseas player? Any batter/wk available?

 

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On 14/07/2023 at 09:36, Picard said:

Sams at least will be at finals day.

If McDermott is still injured could Hants rope in another overseas player? Any batter/wk available?

 

Evidently not, Donald has a broken finger and Brown has been added to the group in case McDermott isn't able to play.  OS doesn't say how likely or unlikey that is though. Weather forecast isn't great for either day really. A bit better tomorrow perhaps.

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Usual line up so McDermott fit.  Lost toss and are put in.  That's a bummer if there's a likelyhood of a rain shortened game., especially with the batting powerhouses they have. We'll probably win if the game goes the distance but if it's reduced overs we'll have little chance

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Yeah this is a problem as next 3 in are striikerate of just over 1 a ball, Got to hope for fireworks from Fuller or Howell. Maybe Whitely might do something ? He’s capable just horribly out of form.

These 2 in now need to pick the pace up though 

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