Hampshire CCC 2023

[Toadhall Saint]

Essex lost last night so the next 2 games - away to Gloucestershire tonight and home to Essex on Friday - both winnable imho will help us on our way to the semis - think most of the rest of our matches are at home which should help!

[Lighthouse]

As with the Somerset game, it looks like we’re following a great win against a top side with another substandard performance against someone beatable.

[Lighthouse]

Fair play to Whiteley, he’s rescued a defendable score from that.

[Barsiem]

We seem to have been a bit screwed by duckworth Lewis here...  We scored 8 an over over 20 overs.  Gloucestershire need to score 8.4 an over over 9 overs to win.  Surely it should be higher given then have less than half the overs to retain their 10 wickets?

[Hodgey]

That’s it now - cant afford another loss. That whole performance was sub standard.  Good to see Whitely finally fire, but outside him and the openers we don’t have any fireworks in the team - plenty of batters who can job along at a 120 strike rate but you need more.

DL does favour the chasing team, but we were a good 15 runs short in the first place.

[wadesmith]

20 minutes ago, Barsiem said:

We seem to have been a bit screwed by duckworth Lewis here...  We scored 8 an over over 20 overs.  Gloucestershire need to score 8.4 an over over 9 overs to win.  Surely it should be higher given then have less than half the overs to retain their 10 wickets?

They were actually given 9 overs to score 84 so that’s 9.33 an over. .Which I think is pretty fair tbh.I remember watching when they used to just divide by the first teams rate, so in the old days they would have been set 72 in 9. Ive got no problem with DL 

[Barsiem]

7 hours ago, wadesmith said:

They were actually given 9 overs to score 84 so that’s 9.33 an over. .Which I think is pretty fair tbh.I remember watching when they used to just divide by the first teams rate, so in the old days they would have been set 72 in 9. Ive got no problem with DL 

Oops... Dodgy maths! Still seems a bit generous for me, but maybe I'm just a sore loser 😂

[Hodgey]

The group is wide open now, Surrey and Somerset pretty safe but not much between Essex, Kent, Glamorgan and ourselves for the other two spots. Game against Essex tomorrow looks like a must win 

Unbelievable response by Middlesex chasing that down btw, especially having nothing to play for. 

 

[Window Cleaner]

Poor start after putting Essex in.  Does pace bowling have any real value in T20 cricket.

[Hodgey]

This is going to be a massive total. Pitch looks a batters paradise but are Hampshire explosive enough to chase a big total down ?

[badgerx16]

In all that carnage Turner returns 3-19 off his 4 overs.

[Hodgey]

That’s my concern - if you bowl well then you can still get results. This is pretty much down to whether McD or Vince can go big - can’t see any of our other batters scoring fast or big enough to win.

[badgerx16]

WOOT !!!!!

 

Evening Major.

[Barsiem]

What a chase! Once again it was a Vince performing well win, but great to see several batters who have done pretty much f all this year putting in big innings

[Lighthouse]

Absolute limbs, those last three overs. Never in a million years thought we’d chose that down after being 154/1 off about 11 overs.

[Lighthouse]

Three teams tied on 14 now with Essex and Kent away to the top two on the last day. It’s going down to the wire, this.

[Toadhall Saint]

Thought we were dead and buried after their innings but we hung in there and chased it down great evenings work by the team. 

[Dark Munster]

1 hour ago, Lighthouse said:

Three teams tied on 14 now with Essex and Kent away to the top two on the last day. It’s going down to the wire, this.

Kent are doing a Hants from last year, tearing it up after a bad start.

Edited 23 June, 2023 by Dark Munster
Didn't realise two rounds to go

[Toadhall Saint]

3 hours ago, badgerx16 said:

In all that carnage Turner returns 3-19 off his 4 overs.

Some bowler that young man. 

[Hodgey]

What a game, unlike the misery of saints I really enjoy watching Hampshire - they have weaknesses but they give it their all.

When Essex we’re 127 for 1 after 10 I really thought we’d be looking at a 240 total, we’d also been surprisingly sloppy in the field, so credit to the bowlers, especially Turner (what a player) for reducing them to 209. Also couldn’t work out why Essex had a specialist batsman coming in at 9 ! (Das). 
As posted here the only way I could see us chasing that down was if one of the openers hit a huge score, as it turned out Vince almost did but when he holed out I couldn’t see us winning. In many ways as an opposition you almost want Weatherly and Albert to stay in (strike rates of 120), and then you have the totally out of sorts Whitely (strike rate of 100). Again we were reliant on the all rounders after those lot had all failed, Fuller finally found some form with his explosive hitting and Howell who was unlucky Vs Sussex looks like a very handy finisher. We did get a bit of luck with dropped catches but at that stage they had to take risks and go for 6s.

With Kent winning comfortably (helping their nrr) its very tight. If we had lost that things would not have looked good. I can see both Kent and Essex winning their last two games (they face Surrey and Somerset last who will be secure by then) so I think we still need to win against Glamorgan and Gloustershire - both at home, both can’t qualify, so you would hope we would, but this season they’ve been beaten by a few poor teams so you never know.

But what a joy to support a team who give something back to the fans !!

[Window Cleaner]

Apparently Prest may be back in contention for the last two group games.

But before that some Championship cricket against Middlesex, starting tomorrow at the Rose Bowl.  

[Weston Saint]

Unlikely to see Turner in the Championship yet. I am told he is carrying a slight niggling injury and whilst no problem bowling a few overs, they will protect him from long tough spells. One for the future.

[stevegrant]

5 hours ago, Weston Saint said:

Unlikely to see Turner in the Championship yet. I am told he is carrying a slight niggling injury and whilst no problem bowling a few overs, they will protect him from long tough spells. One for the future.

And probably rightly so when we have three 50-wickets-a-season seamers who don't play any white ball cricket.

[Andrew Watson]

What does Donald have to do to replace Brown?

[Window Cleaner]

Won the toss, chose to bat.  Different type of ball today. Middleton gone already , usual Hampshire foible, chasing one outside the off stump that should have been left well alone. Weatherly dropped in the gully already as well.

[badgerx16]

Vince gets what the BBC reckon was a very dodgy LBW.

[Window Cleaner]

12 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

Vince gets what the BBC reckon was a very dodgy LBW.

Looked that way from the live stream anyway. Ball would have needed to do an awful lot to hit the stumps.

Umpiring standards are getting worse. How many decisions have been overturned on review in tha Ladies test so far ?* 

[Window Cleaner]

Can't quite see why we chose to bat first here.  4 down now and it looks like hard going.

[badgerx16]

Can't see many batting points for Hants, again. Only consolation is Middx have only picked up 1 in their 6 matches so far...........we all know how this one pans out.

[Picard]

42 minutes ago, Window Cleaner said:

Can't quite see why we chose to bat first here.  4 down now and it looks like hard going.

Looking forward to bowling last with the spinners.

[Toadhall Saint]

3 hours ago, Window Cleaner said:

Won the toss, chose to bat.  Different type of ball today. Middleton gone already , usual Hampshire foible, chasing one outside the off stump that should have been left well alone. Weatherly dropped in the gully already as well.

Why have the ECB decided to play with the Kookaburra and not the Dukes ball in this round? Can’t seem to find why.

[badgerx16]

13 minutes ago, Toadhall Saint said:

Why have the ECB decided to play with the Kookaburra and not the Dukes ball in this round? Can’t seem to find why.

This round and the next are using it to gather 'performance data' to see if it impacts bowling, particularly slower seamers and spinners.

 

https://www.thecricketer.com/Topics/countycricket/kookaburra_balls_two_rounds_county_championship_high_performance_review_changes.html

[badgerx16]

1 hour ago, Window Cleaner said:

Can't quite see why we chose to bat first here. 

Everybody else seems to have done the same. Probably uncertainty with the Kookaburra ball.

 

Edit: everybody bar Surrey.

Edited 25 June, 2023 by badgerx16

[stevegrant]

8 hours ago, Window Cleaner said:

Looked that way from the live stream anyway. Ball would have needed to do an awful lot to hit the stumps.

Umpiring standards are getting worse. How many decisions have been overturned on review in tha Ladies test so far ?* 

4 out of 15 so far, so they've not done too badly, tbf.

Turned out to be a decent day for Hampshire, couldn't believe it when the current partnership reaching 150 meant it was a record 5th wicket against Middlesex that had stood since the 1920s, absolutely mad that a relatively modest record stood for so long. That Vince LBW decision was annoying as he was going along quite nicely, other than him having come down the wicket quite a long way, it seemed fairly difficult to tell from the footage whether it was a reasonable decision, the path of the ball was partially obscured by the umpire.

[Hodgey]

Looking like 2 batting points here. Great rebuild by Dawson and Gubbins. Seems like our more senior players have worked out the kookaburra better - be interesting to see how it affects our bowlers who seem to enjoy the duke.

Handy that Middlesex don’t have any Aussie bowlers too

[Fabrice Fernandes no.1 fan]

51 minutes ago, Hodgey said:

Looking like 2 batting points here. Great rebuild by Dawson and Gubbins. Seems like our more senior players have worked out the kookaburra better - be interesting to see how it affects our bowlers who seem to enjoy the duke.

Handy that Middlesex don’t have any Aussie bowlers too

Dawson seems to just be getting better with age across all formats. With England lacking a spinner at the moment, his name should really be in the conversation

[Lighthouse]

Decent start with the ball too, 140 odd still needed to avoid the follow on.

[ecuk268]

Dawson 6 wickets for 23 runs.

[Toadhall Saint]

Looking good to finish today. Dawson (again) and Barker doing the damage.

[Barsiem]

On 26/06/2023 at 12:13, Fabrice Fernandes no.1 fan said:

Dawson seems to just be getting better with age across all formats. With England lacking a spinner at the moment, his name should really be in the conversation

Can't see that happening under any circumstances tbh...  Looking at his stats he has five 5 wicket hauls and one 10 wickets hauls (hopefully by the end of the day this will be 2) in 177 FC games.  If he was picked it will be to hold down an end only, which doesn't sound very Bazball.  Still, lots of us have been proved wrong before on these threads so I may well be again!

Looks like Dawson likes the Kookaburra.  Maybe we should pray this becomes the permanent ball going forward

[Fabrice Fernandes no.1 fan]

2 hours ago, Barsiem said:

Can't see that happening under any circumstances tbh...  Looking at his stats he has five 5 wicket hauls and one 10 wickets hauls (hopefully by the end of the day this will be 2) in 177 FC games.  If he was picked it will be to hold down an end only, which doesn't sound very Bazball.  Still, lots of us have been proved wrong before on these threads so I may well be again!

Looks like Dawson likes the Kookaburra.  Maybe we should pray this becomes the permanent ball going forward

How many of those have been this season though, he's really finding excellent form at the moment

[Barsiem]

1 hour ago, Fabrice Fernandes no.1 fan said:

How many of those have been this season though, he's really finding excellent form at the moment

He actually has the best bowling average of all Hants players this year so far, but has taken over half his wickets in the last two days.  Gubbins bowled a worldy today to take a wicket, so it was clearly a surface that favoured spinners.  I can't see him being seriously considered for tests atm.  He's got a much better shout for ODIs, when he is usually miserly

 

[stevegrant]

17 hours ago, Barsiem said:

He actually has the best bowling average of all Hants players this year so far, but has taken over half his wickets in the last two days.  Gubbins bowled a worldy today to take a wicket, so it was clearly a surface that favoured spinners.  I can't see him being seriously considered for tests atm.  He's got a much better shout for ODIs, when he is usually miserly

But Moeen Ali and Adil Rashid both still play the two white ball formats, so it's difficult to see where he gets in. Dawson isn't going to be playing any 50-over cricket, so there's no "form" to pick on for ODIs.

[Barsiem]

1 hour ago, stevegrant said:

But Moeen Ali and Adil Rashid both still play the two white ball formats, so it's difficult to see where he gets in. Dawson isn't going to be playing any 50-over cricket, so there's no "form" to pick on for ODIs.

Yeah I agree.  My point was more that England would be prepared to pick him in the shorter formats if Moeen & Rashid were unavailable, whereas I can't him being considered for Tests at all.  

[Barsiem]

What is up with the streams from Hampshire this year?  It's stuttering a lot again.  Not seen this from any other counties streams.

[Lighthouse]

Shame about the rain, we were motoring along there. In other games, Brum are 7-4 in their first over. 😆

[Barsiem]

As long as we don't get hammered in the final game we're through.  Could sneak a home QF as well

[Andrew Watson]

Got lucky with D/L for a change,saying that we were on for 200+. Could be Lancs away,unless we can sneek second.

[Toadhall Saint]

Excellent - looking forward to Sunday and keeping an eye on the score at the oval 

[Lighthouse]

Should be okay with that, the final day fixtures are near enough perfect for us too. Oh and Bears actually won their game after that abomination of a first over.