Window Cleaner Posted 15 April, 2023 Author Share Posted 15 April, 2023 So a first innngs lead of 16 for Surrey, not bad at all. Should have been a FIL for Hants though. A couple of poorish overs from Abbott and Barker with the new ball allowed their Abbott to smash us around a bit. Thankfully we have Abbas though because Barker doesn't look anywhere near as dangerous as of yore . All in all a one innings game now. I hope we'll not have a disastrous start like that of Thursday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toadhall Saint Posted 15 April, 2023 Share Posted 15 April, 2023 41 minutes ago, Window Cleaner said: So a first innngs lead of 16 for Surrey, not bad at all. Should have been a FIL for Hants though. A couple of poorish overs from Abbott and Barker with the new ball allowed their Abbott to smash us around a bit. Thankfully we have Abbas though because Barker doesn't look anywhere near as dangerous as of yore . All in all a one innings game now. I hope we'll not have a disastrous start like that of Thursday. Fingers crossed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 15 April, 2023 Author Share Posted 15 April, 2023 13 minutes ago, Toadhall Saint said: Fingers crossed Not working. Now struggling at 33/2, probably be 40 odd for 3 when Vince tries to hit everything out of the ground. That pasting we got from Abbott is looking a bit crucial now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 15 April, 2023 Author Share Posted 15 April, 2023 Had enough of Vince, he is just an easy wicket for any decent quick bowler. Drop him and put Prest in until he learns not to chase every sodding wide ball outside off. Going to lose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barsiem Posted 15 April, 2023 Share Posted 15 April, 2023 It is certainly concerning that Vince doesn't appear to want to try to grind out an innings at the mo. Perhaps he wants to show he's a candidate for England's Bazball but if so he's doing a terrible job.... I do think Prest should be batting at 5 instead of Dawson, with Dawson pushed further down the order. Or drop Organ, promote Gubbins (he's basically playing as an opener atm anyway) and put Prest at 3 or 4 Thankfully we have some decent lower order batters who are digging us out of holes atm... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 15 April, 2023 Author Share Posted 15 April, 2023 34 minutes ago, Barsiem said: It is certainly concerning that Vince doesn't appear to want to try to grind out an innings at the mo. Perhaps he wants to show he's a candidate for England's Bazball but if so he's doing a terrible job.... I do think Prest should be batting at 5 instead of Dawson, with Dawson pushed further down the order. Or drop Organ, promote Gubbins (he's basically playing as an opener atm anyway) and put Prest at 3 or 4 Thankfully we have some decent lower order batters who are digging us out of holes atm... Wasn't even an attacking shot this time, it was just a lazy waft at a ball that didn't need any action at all. He's doing it all of the time now. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kwsaint Posted 16 April, 2023 Share Posted 16 April, 2023 If we could get a lead of over 250 and get to lunch, that would be a good position imho. Gubbins will probably be run out third ball this morning now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilchards Posted 16 April, 2023 Share Posted 16 April, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, kwsaint said: If we could get a lead of over 250 and get to lunch, that would be a good position imho. Gubbins will probably be run out third ball this morning now. Interesting as the new ball is 15 overs away so we will get to see how it plays. It’s becoming an easier batting wicket so the win favours Surrey who need it more than us. I say get to lunch with at least a 280 lead and hope the likes of Pope has a go in the afternoon. My prediction. Hants 40% Surrey 55% Draw 5% Edited 16 April, 2023 by Pilchards Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toadhall Saint Posted 16 April, 2023 Share Posted 16 April, 2023 19 hours ago, Window Cleaner said: Not working. Now struggling at 33/2, probably be 40 odd for 3 when Vince tries to hit everything out of the ground. That pasting we got from Abbott is looking a bit crucial now. Not too shabby now - in with a chance away at Surrey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 16 April, 2023 Author Share Posted 16 April, 2023 Much as expected. The moral here is that you don't win at the Oval by being 30/3 in both innings. You can't expect your bowlers to work miracles every time. Their commentators said yesterday that they consider 300 a par score on any Oval pitch....... then again they have a class top order. We just have to do something about our batting, need to drop Organ, put Vince and Dawson further down the order and stop expecting runs from Abbott, he's a regular number 10 bat nowadays, almost a rabbit like Abbas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Munster Posted 16 April, 2023 Share Posted 16 April, 2023 Hants not being able to bring in top order batsmen who can score runs reminds me of Saints inability to bring in strikers who can score goals. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 20 April, 2023 Author Share Posted 20 April, 2023 A bit more like it today . Middleton got a duck though. No Barker, leaves room for Prest. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barsiem Posted 20 April, 2023 Share Posted 20 April, 2023 Organ dropped 3 times apparently!! And he still only made 30odd. Vince dropped as well (that was a sitter), so fair to say northants are helping us out atm. Still gubbins and Vince both have 50s so we're looking good 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted 20 April, 2023 Share Posted 20 April, 2023 There’s the ton for Gubbins, Vince still there on 77. Inching towards that batting point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 21 April, 2023 Author Share Posted 21 April, 2023 Got the 4 batting points, game a bit disrupted by showers this morning. Prest ony made 5, might have missed his chance there as we might not bat again. Vince still going on 166, Brown approaching 50. Disciplined innings from Vince this time, although he did get dropped off a mistimed hook on 25. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted 21 April, 2023 Share Posted 21 April, 2023 Can’t ask for a better start to the bowling than that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted 21 April, 2023 Share Posted 21 April, 2023 3 wickets in 5 balls now, got them on the ropes. Looking good for a potential follow on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toadhall Saint Posted 22 April, 2023 Share Posted 22 April, 2023 Good day all in all yesterday. Press on today and enforce the follow on - rain around tomorrow so need wickets wickets wickets today. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 22 April, 2023 Author Share Posted 22 April, 2023 Bowling not looking particularly dangerous this morning. Might have difficulty in bowling them out twice if tomorrow is truncated by the weather. Mc Manus retired hurt due to the blow on the hand he got yesterday, don't know if he'll be able to bat or keep wicket. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 22 April, 2023 Author Share Posted 22 April, 2023 Belay my last ! Northants 149 all out, well Mc Manus didn't bat again, Fuller on fire with a 6 fer. Abbott however looked to be trying to bowl way too short. Will need to correct that in their second innings as he gave them a fair few free runs. Still we have over 300 to play with. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hodgey Posted 22 April, 2023 Share Posted 22 April, 2023 Keep making those comments Window - each time you do we seem to instantly respond !. I’d expect this game to be over before tea Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 22 April, 2023 Author Share Posted 22 April, 2023 A fair few Northants player bowled in this match , especially by Fuller. Don't usually see so many these days. The full toss on middle stump yesterday looked particularly spectacular. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted 22 April, 2023 Share Posted 22 April, 2023 1 minute ago, Window Cleaner said: A fair few Northants player bowled in this match , especially by Fuller. Don't usually see so many these days. The full toss on middle stump yesterday looked particularly spectacular. That was a hell of a ball, stumps everywhere. 6 down now, I think the kit man can start putting the bats and pads back on the team bus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toadhall Saint Posted 22 April, 2023 Share Posted 22 April, 2023 (edited) Innings and 270 odd. Put your feet up lads. Edited 22 April, 2023 by Toadhall Saint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Munster Posted 22 April, 2023 Share Posted 22 April, 2023 9 hours ago, Window Cleaner said: Bowling not looking particularly dangerous this morning. Might have difficulty in bowling them out twice if tomorrow is truncated by the weather. Mc Manus retired hurt due to the blow on the hand he got yesterday, don't know if he'll be able to bat or keep wicket. I don't understand why cricket doesn't allow subs for injured players who aren't able to come back. It wouldn't have made a difference today, but it does make the sport rather amateurish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Picard Posted 22 April, 2023 Share Posted 22 April, 2023 On 21/04/2023 at 15:28, Window Cleaner said: Got the 4 batting points, game a bit disrupted by showers this morning. Prest ony made 5, might have missed his chance there as we might not bat again. Vince still going on 166, Brown approaching 50. Disciplined innings from Vince this time, although he did get dropped off a mistimed hook on 25. New bonus points rules this season. Batting points start at 250 going to a max of 5 at 450. (Lancs will feel badly done by as they managed to score 550 in the 110 overs.)So Hants got 3 batting points. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barsiem Posted 23 April, 2023 Share Posted 23 April, 2023 10 hours ago, Dark Munster said: I don't understand why cricket doesn't allow subs for injured players who aren't able to come back. It wouldn't have made a difference today, but it does make the sport rather amateurish. That would be open to abuse, but maybe if both teams had to agree to the substitution ( so teams couldn't substitute their no 11 for a top order batter) it might be doable. Only time I know it happens is when players are released from England duty during a county game. Didn't it happen to Hants a few years ago whereby a player scored a century against us and then was replaced by someone else for the rest of the game? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Munster Posted 23 April, 2023 Share Posted 23 April, 2023 10 hours ago, Barsiem said: That would be open to abuse, but maybe if both teams had to agree to the substitution ( so teams couldn't substitute their no 11 for a top order batter) it might be doable. Only time I know it happens is when players are released from England duty during a county game. Didn't it happen to Hants a few years ago whereby a player scored a century against us and then was replaced by someone else for the rest of the game? Yeah there would have to be some like for like rule. Maybe have two subs available, one a specialist batsman and one a specialist bowler. Players 1-7 maybe can be replaced by the batsman, the rest by a bowler. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barsiem Posted 4 May, 2023 Share Posted 4 May, 2023 Good start this morning in tricky conditions. Another failure for Organ though... Think he needs taking at the team to rebuild some confidence and put Holland back at the top of the order. I'm still really annoyed at the Surrey loss... We're looking good this year but throw away a draw against the strongest team of the year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 4 May, 2023 Author Share Posted 4 May, 2023 Middle order collapse. Rain seems to have changed something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hodgey Posted 4 May, 2023 Share Posted 4 May, 2023 Really struggle to build big first innings. All these missed batting points will add up. Bowling attack weaker too without Barker. I see Albert scored 300 runs for the 2nd, maybe he deserved a chance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 4 May, 2023 Author Share Posted 4 May, 2023 Bit of a poor day for Hants. Couldn't watch all of it today but what I did see, apart from VInce, was pretty mediocre. Poor batting from most of the middle order and the bowling looked below par. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevegrant Posted 5 May, 2023 Share Posted 5 May, 2023 Morning session was pretty good, Middleton and Gubbins were watchful but took advantage of anything slightly off line, but after lunch the Warwickshire bowlers were a lot tighter with their lines, which brought a flurry of LBWs early in the afternoon. We managed to get a couple of useful partnerships going but both Holland and Fuller gave their wickets away - Holland with a half-hearted pull which ended in the hands of Briggs on the deep fine leg boundary, and Fuller stupidly ran himself out going for a quick single that was never on. Felix Organ again failed, is he going to be our Zak Crawley? Only really works if we're still winning games in spite of his lack of contributions... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 5 May, 2023 Author Share Posted 5 May, 2023 (edited) Don't know if Barker is fully fit, if he actually is then Prest instead of him isn't looking like a smart move. Lad looks a bit iffy against decent seamers, then again most of our batters do most of the time. Might turn out to be a white ball wonder. Need some quick wickets when play starts in a few minutes. Edited 5 May, 2023 by Window Cleaner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toadhall Saint Posted 5 May, 2023 Share Posted 5 May, 2023 1 hour ago, Window Cleaner said: Don't know if Barker is fully fit, if he actually is then Prest instead of him isn't looking like a smart move. Lad looks a bit iffy against decent seamers, then again most of our batters do most of the time. Might turn out to be a white ball wonder. Need some quick wickets when play starts in a few minutes. Tick ✔️ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 5 May, 2023 Author Share Posted 5 May, 2023 1 hour ago, Toadhall Saint said: Tick ✔️ More now needed, hoping for the tick soon then. Bowling looking pretty toothless, well Holland and Dawson that is, Fuller is just totally inconsistent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Picard Posted 5 May, 2023 Share Posted 5 May, 2023 Should have sent Warks down to div 2 at the end of last season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 5 May, 2023 Author Share Posted 5 May, 2023 What an abysmal day for Hants. After getting 3 quick wickets this morning we never looked in the hunt for more. Hain given out caught behind looked to be a real gift from the umpire, think Hain thought so as well. Nothing much from Abbott or Abbas after lunch, Holland got the two wickets to fall after lunch. Fuller was absolutely awful and Dawson plugged away on a wicket where there was nothing for him and got slammed a bit towards the close. Whatever happened to the team that challenged for the title most of last season ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevegrant Posted 5 May, 2023 Share Posted 5 May, 2023 3 hours ago, Window Cleaner said: What an abysmal day for Hants. After getting 3 quick wickets this morning we never looked in the hunt for more. Hain given out caught behind looked to be a real gift from the umpire, think Hain thought so as well. Nothing much from Abbott or Abbas after lunch, Holland got the two wickets to fall after lunch. Fuller was absolutely awful and Dawson plugged away on a wicket where there was nothing for him and got slammed a bit towards the close. Whatever happened to the team that challenged for the title most of last season ? It's still there, but eventually there was always going to come a point where the bowlers couldn't bail out the failing batsmen. With Abbas, Abbott and Barker in the team, if one had a slight off day it could be absorbed by the other two. With Barker out injured, we're now relying on Fuller (fast and hostile but erratic) and Holland (nagging line but often ineffective) picking up the slack of a guy who got 50+ wickets last year. Throw in a continued failing top order plus the usual bailout all-rounders pissing their wickets away on day one, and it's not a great combination. If Organ isn't going to bowl, what's the point in him being in the side? Even Joe Weatherly looked more likely to score runs, Toby Albert got a double hundred for the 2s the other day, so we've got alternatives there. Or we stick Holland back up the top of the order again as another sticking plaster once Barker is fit again. For a supposedly ambitious and forward-looking county, it's insane that we didn't go out and try to sign a new opening batsman in the winter. It was so obviously the weak point in the team last year, probably the sole reason we didn't win the title given the difference in batting bonus points earned. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilchards Posted 7 May, 2023 Share Posted 7 May, 2023 Was going to go today as the weather is good but I can’t see hope of a result. Best conclusion for us is get the extra bowling points and gain 8 more points for the draw. PS Can you still get more bowling points after 100 overs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 7 May, 2023 Author Share Posted 7 May, 2023 (edited) 3 hours ago, Pilchards said: Was going to go today as the weather is good but I can’t see hope of a result. Best conclusion for us is get the extra bowling points and gain 8 more points for the draw. PS Can you still get more bowling points after 100 overs? The limit on overs for bonus points is 110. Warks declare on 410/8, so we'll need to get at least 182 to make them bat again, and probably a fair few more to get the draw. Must be a bit over 80 overs left in the day. Haven't looked at the weather forecast though. Edited 7 May, 2023 by Window Cleaner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 7 May, 2023 Author Share Posted 7 May, 2023 (edited) Ouch, 27/4. Hopeless, just hopeless. Any bowler with a bit of variety in his quiver ridiculises us. Edited 7 May, 2023 by Window Cleaner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilchards Posted 7 May, 2023 Share Posted 7 May, 2023 What a fucking waste of money. 5 down already and other than Vince they look like rabbits in the headlights. Saw Ruben Selles earlier, everything around him crumbles. Bloody Jonah that bloke! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted 7 May, 2023 Share Posted 7 May, 2023 That was a fucking disaster. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 7 May, 2023 Author Share Posted 7 May, 2023 17 minutes ago, badgerx16 said: That was a fucking disaster. Indeed, and the disasters will continue on a regular basis until we address the problem that everyone and his dog is aware of. We need a real opener, we needed one last season and the season before. A bloke capable of seeing off the new ball in difficult conditions on a regular basis. A right old stick in the mud knobber like Burns. Opening bat isn't a position to tart around with in the cavalier way that we've been doing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Munster Posted 7 May, 2023 Share Posted 7 May, 2023 2 hours ago, Window Cleaner said: Indeed, and the disasters will continue on a regular basis until we address the problem that everyone and his dog is aware of. We need a real opener, we needed one last season and the season before. A bloke capable of seeing off the new ball in difficult conditions on a regular basis. A right old stick in the mud knobber like Burns. Opening bat isn't a position to tart around with in the cavalier way that we've been doing. Everyone but the Hants hierarchy it seems. As I said before, it's like Saints not getting a striker who can score goals. Is it something about being in Hampshire that makes clubs blind to the bleeding obvious? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 7 May, 2023 Author Share Posted 7 May, 2023 Well I couldn't say as far as Saints are concerned but in Hampshire's case I wouldn't be at all surprised if it isn't rather about money. They seem to keep a lot of players on the pay-roll who aren't quite good enough for really top level 4 day cricket. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted 7 May, 2023 Share Posted 7 May, 2023 Went out for a bike ride with Warks still batting, get home and the match is over. It wasn't even a long ride. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew Watson Posted 7 May, 2023 Share Posted 7 May, 2023 I would hazard a bet that the budget does not stretch to another batsman. Firstly quite a few will be on really good contracts - Vince,Dawson, Abbot,Abbas and probably Brown. Secondly as Durham found out a few years back,to Hampshires great fortune,you cannot over spend on wages. That said how has Giles White kept his job for so long ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevegrant Posted 8 May, 2023 Share Posted 8 May, 2023 On 07/05/2023 at 22:52, Andrew Watson said: I would hazard a bet that the budget does not stretch to another batsman. Firstly quite a few will be on really good contracts - Vince,Dawson, Abbot,Abbas and probably Brown. Secondly as Durham found out a few years back,to Hampshires great fortune,you cannot over spend on wages. That said how has Giles White kept his job for so long ? It would be interesting to know what White's job description entails, really. Assuming he has no input on selection or coaching, considering I think we've only signed Ben Brown in the last two years (which rather fell into our lap because of his situation at Sussex), what is he actually doing? Tough decisions should have been made about certain individuals for the good of the team. We moved Lewis McManus on to Northamptonshire seemingly at the drop of a hat because we felt his batting wasn't up to scratch, and got Brown in, so it suggests that the sometimes-brutal decisions can be made. If Joe Weatherley isn't going to be playing first XI cricket, he should be out on loan in Division 2 getting games against proper bowlers, same with the likes of Aneurin Donald and Mason Crane. We also seem to have an absolute fuckton of white-ball-only players: from the squad page on the club website, it's Ellis, Howell, McDermott, Whiteley and Wood. That's a LOT of salary cap being used on players who aren't eligible for the County Championship. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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