What Is Happening To Our Country?

[Turkish]

5 minutes ago, Holmes_and_Watson said:

I imagine the manager taking a sigh, before going up to the old guy in the corner to ask him to stop talking to himself and leering at the bar staff, as it's upsetting the other customers. 

Behind the manager, one of the bar staff tells her colleague about the time the old guy asked her to express milk into his coffee.

The mixed race bar maid rolling her eyes as he walks in, here he goes again and pretends she needs to nip put the back to take a call to avoid serving him 

[AlexLaw76]

Just now, Turkish said:

The mixed race bar maid rolling her eyes as he walks in, here he goes again and pretends she needs to nip put the back to take a call to avoid serving him 

I wonder how many ales in does his inner Derek Vineyard appear.

[Turkish]

12 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

I wonder how many ales in does his inner Derek Vineyard appear.

I think that side of him has thankfully be left in the past and he now has a more patronising superiority complex style. I asked chat gpt to plot a closet racist/patronising middle class bloke drinking cycle 

3 pints in he starts the patronising - you are welcome here, I love people of colour speech 

4 pints - you’re doing really well you, I admire people like you coming here and working hard etc

5 pints you’re a nice lady for a black woman (reply I’m mixed race) I grew up in London you know and the black people there were mostly alright as well, I don’t remember any of them mugging me

6 pints - gives a £5 tip to send money back home to her family 

7 pints - starts making crass sexual comments about how he finds black women like Beyoncé attractive and is told, think is time you went home 

Edited Tuesday at 12:36 by Turkish

[east-stand-nic]

3 hours ago, sadoldgit said:

Once again you are displaying your ignorance so there is no point in replying to you. I will say though that you seem to be very keen for it to be blamed on an Islamic terrorist even though there has been absolutely no indication from the police so far that is the case.

As for the hero who saved lives, this is the guy.

https://news.sky.com/story/train-company-lner-extremely-proud-of-rail-worker-in-critical-condition-after-mass-stabbing-as-family-call-him-hero-13463705

Once again you avoid my question. And no mention of Stephen Crean I see also. You are such a Pious scumbag.

Edited Tuesday at 15:00 by east-stand-nic

[whelk]

2 hours ago, Turkish said:

The mixed race bar maid rolling her eyes as he walks in, here he goes again and pretends she needs to nip put the back to take a call to avoid serving him 

And hopes he doesn’t request a pint of milk

[whelk]

Wonder how the Reform lot will react to the name of the rail hero. Not a very Anglo Saxon name 

[Weston Super Saint]

6 hours ago, Holmes_and_Watson said:

I imagine the manager taking a sigh, before going up to the old guy in the corner to ask him to stop talking to himself and leering at the bar staff, as it's upsetting the other customers. 

Behind the manager, one of the bar staff tells her colleague about the time the old guy asked her to express milk into his coffee.

I suspect they have only ever asked once if 'everything is alright' knowing that they really don't have the time to waste asking on further visits.

[sadoldgit]

6 hours ago, east-stand-nic said:

Once again you avoid my question. And no mention of Stephen Crean I see also. You are such a Pious scumbag.

The attack has yet to be declared as  Islamic driven has it? I condem the attack no matter what the motive, if there is one, and he is just not severely mentally ill. If you could be bothered to engage your brain occasionally you would have digested the fact that I have constantly said that I condemn extremist activities no matter who carries them out. Just to spell it out for you so we don’t have to do this again, this includes terrorist activities carried out in the name of Islam. Got it yet? 
As for posting the article about Samir Zitouri, clearly it had nothing to do with denigrating any other actions taken by any others which helped to save lives. You are the one who has made an issue about the individuals concerned. I mentioned Samir because he is still fighting for his life. I am sure you will join everybody in hoping that this very brave man pulls through. Nothing “pious” about praising a true hero is there, especially when he is seriously wounded? Even Sir Ed Davy called for him (and the other guy, before you accuse me of ignoring him again) to receive the George Cross. Is he a “pious scumbag” too? Why did it offend you so much that I posted the article about Samir? 🤔

Another question for you. If I had only mentioned Stephen Crean would you have kicked off about my not mentioning Samir Zitouri?

 

Edited Tuesday at 19:24 by sadoldgit

[Holmes_and_Watson]

3 minutes ago, Weston Super Saint said:

I suspect they have only ever asked once if 'everything is alright' knowing that they really don't have the time to waste asking on further visits.

It's a staff initiation gag.

"We pride ourselves on customer service. Please ask that man if everything's all right."

3 hours later, a traumatised member of staff returns...

[badgerx16]

5 hours ago, east-stand-nic said:

Once again you avoid my question. And no mention of Stephen Crean I see also. You are such a Pious scumbag.

And you are a pompous ass.

[Turkish]

2 hours ago, sadoldgit said:

The attack has yet to be declared as  Islamic driven has it? I condem the attack no matter what the motive, if there is one, and he is just not severely mentally ill. If you could be bothered to engage your brain occasionally you would have digested the fact that I have constantly said that I condemn extremist activities no matter who carries them out. Just to spell it out for you so we don’t have to do this again, this includes terrorist activities carried out in the name of Islam. Got it yet? 
As for posting the article about Samir Zitouri, clearly it had nothing to do with denigrating any other actions taken by any others which helped to save lives. You are the one who has made an issue about the individuals concerned. I mentioned Samir because he is still fighting for his life. I am sure you will join everybody in hoping that this very brave man pulls through. Nothing “pious” about praising a true hero is there, especially when he is seriously wounded? Even Sir Ed Davy called for him (and the other guy, before you accuse me of ignoring him again) to receive the George Cross. Is he a “pious scumbag” too? Why did it offend you so much that I posted the article about Samir? 🤔

Another question for you. If I had only mentioned Stephen Crean would you have kicked off about my not mentioning Samir Zitouri?

 

😂 full of shit. Can you please provide evidence of the attacks you’ve condemned

Who can forget your posts about BLM when you claimed there had been no violence at all despite over 200 arrests and when you finally admitted something had happened it was all for a good cause 

You protest too much pal the mask slipped a long time ago now we all have your number. every. Single. One. Of. Us.

[east-stand-nic]

9 hours ago, sadoldgit said:

The attack has yet to be declared as  Islamic driven has it? I condem the attack no matter what the motive, if there is one, and he is just not severely mentally ill. If you could be bothered to engage your brain occasionally you would have digested the fact that I have constantly said that I condemn extremist activities no matter who carries them out. Just to spell it out for you so we don’t have to do this again, this includes terrorist activities carried out in the name of Islam. Got it yet? 
As for posting the article about Samir Zitouri, clearly it had nothing to do with denigrating any other actions taken by any others which helped to save lives. You are the one who has made an issue about the individuals concerned. I mentioned Samir because he is still fighting for his life. I am sure you will join everybody in hoping that this very brave man pulls through. Nothing “pious” about praising a true hero is there, especially when he is seriously wounded? Even Sir Ed Davy called for him (and the other guy, before you accuse me of ignoring him again) to receive the George Cross. Is he a “pious scumbag” too? Why did it offend you so much that I posted the article about Samir? 🤔

Another question for you. If I had only mentioned Stephen Crean would you have kicked off about my not mentioning Samir Zitouri?

 

You have still not answered my question. Deflect as much as you like but I do not get fooled by your pious virtue signalling. You have NEVER come on to this forum and condemned a Muslim attack on anyone, as demonstrated here for example: 

All you ever do is make silly statements about how white people do the same. You know it and I know it. That is why your hero in all this was Samir Zitouri, with no mention of the white hero. You are an inverted racist. All you do is try to protect their actions, defend them by saying whites do it, but you never actually condemn it. FACT.
 

It is also a fact that many others on here will go against what i say at any cost, which means they are also vile ... you all know who you are. 

 

Edited Wednesday at 04:29 by east-stand-nic

[whelk]

 

Weak and self-pitying. Always the victim

[sadoldgit]

6 hours ago, east-stand-nic said:

You have still not answered my question. Deflect as much as you like but I do not get fooled by your pious virtue signalling. You have NEVER come on to this forum and condemned a Muslim attack on anyone, as demonstrated here for example: 

All you ever do is make silly statements about how white people do the same. You know it and I know it. That is why your hero in all this was Samir Zitouri, with no mention of the white hero. You are an inverted racist. All you do is try to protect their actions, defend them by saying whites do it, but you never actually condemn it. FACT.
 

It is also a fact that many others on here will go against what i say at any cost, which means they are also vile ... you all know who you are. 

 

What is “vile” is posting laughing emojis on posts about the deaths of innocent people.

I called the Hamas attack on 7th October “abhorrent.” Perhaps you should google what it means. I have called out the behaviour of extremists of any background abhorrent. If you want to ignore reality that is your problem.

You are all over Muslims when they do something wrong but not a peep out of you when they do something positive. No mention of the train hero who is Muslim and of Algerian decent. No mention of the new mayor just elected in NYC.

You call people “scumbag”, “vile” and “thick” which is the biggest example of the pot calling the kettle black ever seen on this forum. Little wonder you root for the likes of Trump and Farage. You, like them, exist in a parallel universe of “fake news” and “alternative facts.”

[Weston Super Saint]

This news has truly blown my mind.  It's almost as if there is a reason for illegal immigrants to want to come to the UK rather than settle anywhere else in Europe.  It's certainly given me cause to think as I had absolutely no idea my local mini-mart, Turkish barbers (cash only) and car wash (cash only) could ever be doing anything illegal, no sir, never crossed my mind.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c0mx99ple17o

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A Kurdish crime network is enabling migrants to work illegally in mini-marts on High Streets the length of Britain, a BBC investigation can reveal.

 

[hypochondriac]

5 minutes ago, Weston Super Saint said:

This news has truly blown my mind.  It's almost as if there is a reason for illegal immigrants to want to come to the UK rather than settle anywhere else in Europe.  It's certainly given me cause to think as I had absolutely no idea my local mini-mart, Turkish barbers (cash only) and car wash (cash only) could ever be doing anything illegal, no sir, never crossed my mind.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c0mx99ple17o

 

Pretty sure I mentioned on here about the mini mart that sprung up a few months ago in Shirley. Also numerous Turkish barbers, vape shops and mobile phone stores that never seem to have many customers at all. It's been clear for ages, amazing this hasn't been looked into properly already.

[Turkish]

31 minutes ago, sadoldgit said:

What is “vile” is posting laughing emojis on posts about the deaths of innocent people.

I called the Hamas attack on 7th October “abhorrent.” Perhaps you should google what it means. I have called out the behaviour of extremists of any background abhorrent. If you want to ignore reality that is your problem.

You are all over Muslims when they do something wrong but not a peep out of you when they do something positive. No mention of the train hero who is Muslim and of Algerian decent. No mention of the new mayor just elected in NYC.

You call people “scumbag”, “vile” and “thick” which is the biggest example of the pot calling the kettle black ever seen on this forum. Little wonder you root for the likes of Trump and Farage. You, like them, exist in a parallel universe of “fake news” and “alternative facts.”

SOG accusing others of living in a parallel universe of alternative facts 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[Farmer Saint]

31 minutes ago, Weston Super Saint said:

This news has truly blown my mind.  It's almost as if there is a reason for illegal immigrants to want to come to the UK rather than settle anywhere else in Europe.  It's certainly given me cause to think as I had absolutely no idea my local mini-mart, Turkish barbers (cash only) and car wash (cash only) could ever be doing anything illegal, no sir, never crossed my mind.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c0mx99ple17o

 

Considering all the Turkish barbers are Kurds, it's not a surprise.

Why this is not being properly looked into I don't know - I am guessing that they are hoping ID cards will sort this to make it easier to prove right to work.

[east-stand-nic]

55 minutes ago, sadoldgit said:

What is “vile” is posting laughing emojis on posts about the deaths of innocent people.

I called the Hamas attack on 7th October “abhorrent.” Perhaps you should google what it means. I have called out the behaviour of extremists of any background abhorrent. If you want to ignore reality that is your problem.

You are all over Muslims when they do something wrong but not a peep out of you when they do something positive. No mention of the train hero who is Muslim and of Algerian decent. No mention of the new mayor just elected in NYC.

You call people “scumbag”, “vile” and “thick” which is the biggest example of the pot calling the kettle black ever seen on this forum. Little wonder you root for the likes of Trump and Farage. You, like them, exist in a parallel universe of “fake news” and “alternative facts.”

Do you deliberately avoid questions 

[badgerx16]

6 minutes ago, east-stand-nic said:

Do you deliberately avoid questions 

Like you do ?

[Farmer Saint]

Don't you miss old school diversity?

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DNImII-NNFW/?igsh=MWE4c3F2N2xieXVpbQ==

 

[tdmickey3]

22 minutes ago, east-stand-nic said:

Do you deliberately avoid questions 

Do you deliberately act like a fool or is that just natural

[Sergei Gotsmanov]

44 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said:

Don't you miss old school diversity?

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DNImII-NNFW/?igsh=MWE4c3F2N2xieXVpbQ==

 

The creators would be locked up nowadays.....

[sadoldgit]

12 hours ago, east-stand-nic said:

You have still not answered my question. Deflect as much as you like but I do not get fooled by your pious virtue signalling. You have NEVER come on to this forum and condemned a Muslim attack on anyone, as demonstrated here for example: 

All you ever do is make silly statements about how white people do the same. You know it and I know it. That is why your hero in all this was Samir Zitouri, with no mention of the white hero. You are an inverted racist. All you do is try to protect their actions, defend them by saying whites do it, but you never actually condemn it. FACT.
 

It is also a fact that many others on here will go against what i say at any cost, which means they are also vile ... you all know who you are. 

 

What question?

Why is it a silly statement to point out that white people do the same (with a greater frequency). You completely ignore the fact that you only focus on Muslims or people with a different colour skin when these crimes are committed by all kinds of men. You are a hypocrite and quite obviously racist

Get someone to read this to you. I abhor everyone who commits acts of terrorism. I abhor everyone who commit offences against women and minority groups. Everyone. Do you understand what everyone means?

Samir is not “my” hero. He is a hero to anyone who doesn’t have a problem with Muslims or people with a different colour skin. He is no different to Stephen Crean.

I think the words “I abhor the actions of Hamas on 7th October” and I abhor any act of terrorism speak for themselves to anyone with a reasonable level of intelligence. That excludes you, clearly.

I don’t post smiley faces on posts about the murder of innocent people. That is truly vile.

By the way, why do you get so shirty when, as you claim, people don’t answer your questions, when you don’t bother to answer questions yourself?

Edited Wednesday at 17:05 by sadoldgit

[Turkish]

1 hour ago, sadoldgit said:

What question?

Why is it a silly statement to point out that white people do the same (with a greater frequency). You completely ignore the fact that you only focus on Muslims or people with a different colour skin when these crimes are committed by all kinds of men. You are a hypocrite and quite obviously racist

Get someone to read this to you. I abhor everyone who commits acts of terrorism. I abhor everyone who commit offences against women and minority groups. Everyone. Do you understand what everyone means?

Samir is not “my” hero. He is a hero to anyone who doesn’t have a problem with Muslims or people with a different colour skin. He is no different to Stephen Crean.

I think the words “I abhor the actions of Hamas on 7th October” and I abhor any act of terrorism speak for themselves to anyone with a reasonable level of intelligence. That excludes you, clearly.

I don’t post smiley faces on posts about the murder of innocent people. That is truly vile.

By the way, why do you get so shirty when, as you claim, people don’t answer your questions, when you don’t bother to answer questions yourself?

Did you know you’re more likely to be saved from a knife wielding attacker in the UK by a white person than a person of colours 

[east-stand-nic]

18 hours ago, badgerx16 said:

Like you do ?

Yes, I always do and have challenged you and many others here many time to question me and u all run off like little girls. 

14 hours ago, sadoldgit said:

What question?

Why is it a silly statement to point out that white people do the same (with a greater frequency). You completely ignore the fact that you only focus on Muslims or people with a different colour skin when these crimes are committed by all kinds of men. You are a hypocrite and quite obviously racist

Get someone to read this to you. I abhor everyone who commits acts of terrorism. I abhor everyone who commit offences against women and minority groups. Everyone. Do you understand what everyone means?

Samir is not “my” hero. He is a hero to anyone who doesn’t have a problem with Muslims or people with a different colour skin. He is no different to Stephen Crean.

I think the words “I abhor the actions of Hamas on 7th October” and I abhor any act of terrorism speak for themselves to anyone with a reasonable level of intelligence. That excludes you, clearly.

I don’t post smiley faces on posts about the murder of innocent people. That is truly vile.

By the way, why do you get so shirty when, as you claim, people don’t answer your questions, when you don’t bother to answer questions yourself?

Try reading again and maybe follow the link I placed where you were asked why you had AGAIN refused to comment or condemn a terror attack. 

Edited Thursday at 06:11 by east-stand-nic

[badgerx16]

1 hour ago, east-stand-nic said:

Yes, I always do and have challenged you and many others here many time to question me and u all run off like little girls. 

Try reading again and maybe follow the link I placed where you were asked why you had AGAIN refused to comment or condemn a terror attack. 

Twat, ( yet again ).

[whelk]

1 hour ago, east-stand-nic said:

Yes, I always do and have challenged you and many others here many time to question me and u all run off like little girls

Do you like little girls?

[tdmickey3]

3 minutes ago, whelk said:

Do you like little girls?

Do ladyboys like little girls then?

[east-stand-nic]

19 minutes ago, whelk said:

Do you like little girls?

There u go, my point proven as ever. 

14 minutes ago, tdmickey3 said:

Do ladyboys like little girls then?

There you go, my point proven as ever. 

[sadoldgit]

3 hours ago, east-stand-nic said:

Yes, I always do and have challenged you and many others here many time to question me and u all run off like little girls. 

Try reading again and maybe follow the link I placed where you were asked why you had AGAIN refused to comment or condemn a terror attack. 

How many more times do I have to tell you that I condemn every terror attack. What part of that sentence do you not understand? Dimwit.

I do not read or reply to every post. I do not feel the need to immediately come on here and condemn every single terror attack because I have said, many times, that I do not condone terror attacks, therefore I do not feel the need to constantly repeat myself. 

You call people names yet get upset when you get it back. You accuse people of not answering questions yet do not answer questions yourself. You accuse people of being racist yet show racist tendencies yourself. You are a bit of a walking contradiction, aren’t you nic?

Do you think that murders and rapes carried out by Muslims or people with a different colour skin are worse than those carried out by white Anglo-Saxon types? A simple yes or no will suffice.

[Saint86]

https://news.sky.com/story/the-x-effect-how-elon-musk-is-boosting-the-british-right-13464487

Not quite sure this thread is the most relevant place to put this, but it offers interesting insight into the current political battles and powers of social media.

This article specifically deals with X, but it will be no different to platforms like Bluesky and facebook, and is probably the opposite to how twitter functioned prior to Musk taking it over.

In many ways it is a very astute move by Musk with respect to the whole "grand game" that is politics. He learnt from people on the other side of the political divide and has found a way to directly use his wealth to influence politics the way he wants, and potentially more than any other "non political" person, and he has also (i suspect) tried to tactfully pitch himself on the side of protecting free speech (to give himself protection/longevity whilst he's doing it).

I was trying to work out sky news' angle on going after Musk (given i would say sky is itself on the centre right), and i can only really come up with it being an attempt by MSM to undermine the power of social media companies? Perhaps i'm being too cynical or overthinking that aspect of it, but i see it as entities like facebook/twitter/x/bluesky etc are doing the modern version of what main stream media has always done historically (with respect to political discourse and narratives) - MSM just failed to adapt and will likely never enjoy the same influence again.

As the article mentions at one point, in an ideal world the "algorithms" would be impartial (although i think that is impossible to truly achieve) - or perhaps better yet, there should be no algorithms and you only discover people based on broader forums and through people that already gain traction, like a mirror of how societies have always operated, but then i guess even that is influenced by "benefactors".

Edited Thursday at 09:55 by Saint86

[Turkish]

16 minutes ago, sadoldgit said:

How many more times do I have to tell you that I condemn every terror attack. What part of that sentence do you not understand? Dimwit.

I do not read or reply to every post. I do not feel the need to immediately come on here and condemn every single terror attack because I have said, many times, that I do not condone terror attacks, therefore I do not feel the need to constantly repeat myself. 

You call people names yet get upset when you get it back. You accuse people of not answering questions yet do not answer questions yourself. You accuse people of being racist yet show racist tendencies yourself. You are a bit of a walking contradiction, aren’t you nic?

Do you think that murders and rapes carried out by Muslims or people with a different colour skin are worse than those carried out by white Anglo-Saxon types? A simple yes or no will suffice.

😂😂😂😂😂😂
 

a quite staggering level of hypocrisy here 

 

[sadoldgit]

Some food for thought for Farage/Robinson supporters and Islamophobes…oh, and nic.

New data shows a record number of referrals to the government’s anti-terror programme, Prevent, in the year to March 2025.

A total of 8,778 referrals were made, up 27% from 6,922 the previous year.

The majority of referrals were made for individuals who had “no identified ideology” at 56%.

This was followed by extreme right wing ideology at 21% and Islamic extremism at 10%.

So, nic, according to recorded facts where ideology is known, we in the UK are twice more at risk from right wing extremist activity than we are from Islamic extremist activity.

I’ll just let that sink in…..

 

Edited Thursday at 12:18 by sadoldgit
Typo

[AlexLaw76]

2 minutes ago, sadoldgit said:

So, nic, according to recorded facts where ideology is known, we in the UK are twice more at risk from right wing extremist activity than we are from Islamic extremist activity.

I’ll just let that sink in…..

 

[sadoldgit]

This is just for you nic.

Cut and paste after the next Islamic terrorist attack.

I totally and unreservedly condemn the Islamic terrorist attack at ………………………(fill in location).

Signed:  Sadoldgit

 

[Turkish]

5 hours ago, sadoldgit said:

Some food for thought for Farage/Robinson supporters and Islamophobes…oh, and nic.

New data shows a record number of referrals to the government’s anti-terror programme, Prevent, in the year to March 2025.

A total of 8,778 referrals were made, up 27% from 6,922 the previous year.

The majority of referrals were made for individuals who had “no identified ideology” at 56%.

This was followed by extreme right wing ideology at 21% and Islamic extremism at 10%.

So, nic, according to recorded facts where ideology is known, we in the UK are twice more at risk from right wing extremist activity than we are from Islamic extremist activity.

I’ll just let that sink in…..

 

Interesting stats SOG, you missed some crucial details though 

Children aged 11 to 15 accounted for the largest proportion of cases (3,192 or 36 per cent), followed by 16-17-year-olds (1,178, or 13 per cent).

 

did you know more likely to be victim of a terrorist attack by an 11 year old then by a 40 Year old right wing, trump supporting, Tommy Robinson supporter. Some food for thought

Edited Thursday at 17:15 by Turkish

[east-stand-nic]

19 hours ago, sadoldgit said:

How many more times do I have to tell you that I condemn every terror attack. What part of that sentence do you not understand? Dimwit.

I do not read or reply to every post. I do not feel the need to immediately come on here and condemn every single terror attack because I have said, many times, that I do not condone terror attacks, therefore I do not feel the need to constantly repeat myself. 

You call people names yet get upset when you get it back. You accuse people of not answering questions yet do not answer questions yourself. You accuse people of being racist yet show racist tendencies yourself. You are a bit of a walking contradiction, aren’t you nic?

Do you think that murders and rapes carried out by Muslims or people with a different colour skin are worse than those carried out by white Anglo-Saxon types? A simple yes or no will suffice.

OK, let me give you a fair chance by making this childlike simple. 

Do you or do you not always justify attacks by Muslims by stating it is more likely you will be attacked/raped/killed by a white male. Simple yes or no please. 

No, It is you who gets upset and starts to become nasty, not me. Would you like to show me otherwise?

Do you think we are making our citizens safer or less safe by allowing in thousands of unchecked males on these boats and placing them in the heart of our communities? Clue: Your answer should be safer, less safe or the same. 

Extra bonus questions: Do you call me and others right wing, Nazi, idiots etc., just because we are to the right of your far left view? Do you think that is fair? 

[skintsaint]

4 hours ago, east-stand-nic said:

Clue: Your answer should be safer, less safe or the same. 

 

[sadoldgit]

7 hours ago, east-stand-nic said:

OK, let me give you a fair chance by making this childlike simple. 

Do you or do you not always justify attacks by Muslims by stating it is more likely you will be attacked/raped/killed by a white male. Simple yes or no please. 

No, It is you who gets upset and starts to become nasty, not me. Would you like to show me otherwise?

Do you think we are making our citizens safer or less safe by allowing in thousands of unchecked males on these boats and placing them in the heart of our communities? Clue: Your answer should be safer, less safe or the same. 

Extra bonus questions: Do you call me and others right wing, Nazi, idiots etc., just because we are to the right of your far left view? Do you think that is fair? 

You haven’t answered my question.

I call you right wing, Nazi and an idiot because you are.

Pointing out the obvious is not justifying anything, it is just pointing out the obvious. It is a fact that white Anglo Saxon males commit more crimes against women in this country yet you and a few like you never seem to get worked up about those crimes. You are however all over those crimes committed by Muslims or people with brown skin. I have asked you why that is several times but you don’t answer. It is obvious why you don’t. You clearly think that these crimes are worse if they are committed by Muslims or people with brown skin which makes you right wing, a Nazi and an idiot.

P.S. There are white grooming gangs too you know. Have you ever made any comment about them?

Edited yesterday at 13:09 by sadoldgit

[AlexLaw76]

1 hour ago, sadoldgit said:

You haven’t answered my question.

I call you right wing, Nazi and an idiot because you are.

Pointing out the obvious is not justifying anything, it is just pointing out the obvious. It is a fact that white Anglo Saxon males commit more crimes against women in this country yet you and a few like you never seem to get worked up about those crimes. You are however all over those crimes committed by Muslims or people with brown skin. I have asked you why that is several times but you don’t answer. It is obvious why you don’t. You clearly think that these crimes are worse if they are committed by Muslims or people with brown skin which makes you right wing, a Nazi and an idiot.

P.S. There are white grooming gangs too you know. Have you ever made any comment about them?

Christ alive 

[Ted Bates Statue]

Surprised this hasn't been brought up on here. Media seem more than happy to run with this, because his opinions were kept sufficiently vague enough to suit just about anyone's viewpoint.

 

 

[Turkish]

10 hours ago, sadoldgit said:

You haven’t answered my question.

I call you right wing, Nazi and an idiot because you are.

Pointing out the obvious is not justifying anything, it is just pointing out the obvious. It is a fact that white Anglo Saxon males commit more crimes against women in this country yet you and a few like you never seem to get worked up about those crimes. You are however all over those crimes committed by Muslims or people with brown skin. I have asked you why that is several times but you don’t answer. It is obvious why you don’t. You clearly think that these crimes are worse if they are committed by Muslims or people with brown skin which makes you right wing, a Nazi and an idiot.

P.S. There are white grooming gangs too you know. Have you ever made any comment about them?

😂😂😂 you’ve lost it mate absolutely mental 

[Sir Ralph]

11 hours ago, sadoldgit said:

You haven’t answered my question.

I call you right wing, Nazi and an idiot because you are.

Pointing out the obvious is not justifying anything, it is just pointing out the obvious. It is a fact that white Anglo Saxon males commit more crimes against women in this country yet you and a few like you never seem to get worked up about those crimes. You are however all over those crimes committed by Muslims or people with brown skin. I have asked you why that is several times but you don’t answer. It is obvious why you don’t. You clearly think that these crimes are worse if they are committed by Muslims or people with brown skin which makes you right wing, a Nazi and an idiot.

P.S. There are white grooming gangs too you know. Have you ever made any comment about them?

Edited 17 hours ago by Sir Ralph

[ecuk268]

10 hours ago, Sir Ralph said:

The Centre for Migration Control is run by a Reform supporter and are presenting misleading statistics.

The number of offences are the latest figures. However they are comparing them with population numbers taken from the 2021 census.

Over the last 4 years there has been a large spike in immigration from non-EU citizens (especially from Afghanistan after the Taliban takeover) hence the offences per nationality  are likely to be much lower than shown on the chart.

Also they are using number of offenders brought to court, not convicted. The average conviction rate for these offenders was about 55%.

[Sir Ralph]

16 minutes ago, ecuk268 said:

The Centre for Migration Control is run by a Reform supporter and are presenting misleading statistics.

The number of offences are the latest figures. However they are comparing them with population numbers taken from the 2021 census.

Over the last 4 years there has been a large spike in immigration from non-EU citizens (especially from Afghanistan after the Taliban takeover) hence the offences per nationality  are likely to be much lower than shown on the chart.

Also they are using number of offenders brought to court, not convicted. The average conviction rate for these offenders was about 55%.

I’ll assume what you have said is correct. So are there publicly available figures in relation numbers convicted and up to date figures? 
 

Even if all numbers were reduced by 45% I assume that the overall conclusion would still be the same? If the assumption is that what SOG says is correct on a proportionate basis those people must have evidence to support this?

Edited 5 hours ago by Sir Ralph

[Weston Super Saint]

I'm not sure I understand why the police / authorities keep losing these prisoners that are being released early by accident (why they are released is obviously a different discussion!).  All prisoners released early have to wear a tag which monitors their location.  How is it possible to 'lose' them?