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31 minutes ago, rallyboy said:

Corrected.

Yep. 

I think the flattened Gaza is now some massive carpet to sweep all the Israeli government/IDF (lighthouse friendly description) war crimes under. 

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The IDF attacked and shot dead unarmed emergency staff driving in marked vehicles with full lights on, then buried the dead in their uniforms, including some with close up wounds associated with execution. They even buried the vehicles.

The IDF told the world that there were no emergency lights on, no emergency workers, the vehicles were unmarked and their soldiers had in fact wiped out a terrorist convoy.....then the evidence appeared from the mass grave, the lies were exposed, so they said they made 15 mistakes.

Serious question Hypo, which bit of that whole shooting do you not consider to be a war crime, and why has it confused you? 

 

 

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2 hours ago, rallyboy said:

The IDF attacked and shot dead unarmed emergency staff driving in marked vehicles with full lights on, then buried the dead in their uniforms, including some with close up wounds associated with execution. They even buried the vehicles.

The IDF told the world that there were no emergency lights on, no emergency workers, the vehicles were unmarked and their soldiers had in fact wiped out a terrorist convoy.....then the evidence appeared from the mass grave, the lies were exposed, so they said they made 15 mistakes.

Serious question Hypo, which bit of that whole shooting do you not consider to be a war crime, and why has it confused you? 

 

 

Looks like the troops involved gave a false account of what happened, conflicting evidence then emerged and the IDF subsequently admitted fault and promised a thorough investigation. I'd be expecting that sort of response from any nation involved in a conflict of this sort. 

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19 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

Looks like the troops involved gave a false account of what happened, conflicting evidence then emerged and the IDF subsequently admitted fault and promised a thorough investigation. I'd be expecting that sort of response from any nation involved in a conflict of this sort. 

I'll repeat rallyboy's question -

"Serious question Hypo, which bit of that whole shooting do you not consider to be a war crime, and why has it confused you?"

And add to it -

Are there any circumstances in which you'd condemn the IDF/Israeli government? 

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1 hour ago, hypochondriac said:

conflicting evidence then emerged and the IDF subsequently admitted fault and promised a thorough investigation. I'd be expecting that sort of response from any nation involved in a conflict of this sort. 

What actually emerged are the facts.

I understand who you mean when you describe the IDF/Israel as a nation, though I believe there are others who don't.

Does it concern you that the IDF/Israeli government has a very long history of misinformation along these lines and it's only when facts emerge that a half-apology is issued, and do you think the soldiers responsible who were clearly following orders, have anything to fear from their own internal war crime investigation?

Other than quiet reprimands for failing to check properly that all witnesses and evidence had been destroyed.

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58 minutes ago, rallyboy said:

What actually emerged are the facts.

I understand who you mean when you describe the IDF/Israel as a nation, though I believe there are others who don't.

Does it concern you that the IDF/Israeli government has a very long history of misinformation along these lines and it's only when facts emerge that a half-apology is issued, and do you think the soldiers responsible who were clearly following orders, have anything to fear from their own internal war crime investigation?

Other than quiet reprimands for failing to check properly that all witnesses and evidence had been destroyed.

I'm comfortable with waiting until the investigation has concluded before steaming in with criticism. Otherwise I'd just be criticising the IDF for some imagined future crime of being unduly lenient towards the perpetrator of a crime before they have actually done it. Any member of the IDF who is judged to have committed a crime should be properly dealt with the same as any other army during a war. 

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sadoldgit

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There have been countless claims of “alleged” war crimes but you won’t find hypochondriac criticising the IDF for any of them. In fact he thinks that it is appropriate to post laughing emojis instead.

Back to the IDF who, apparently, take great care in choosing their targets.

https://www.aljazeera.com/amp/news/liveblog/2025/4/7/live-israel-kills-43-in-gaza-orders-palestinians-in-deir-el-balah-to-flee

If the IDF want a kill zone why can’t they use their own land rather than encroaching further into Gaza and Palestinian land?

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/apr/07/israel-military-gaza-perimeter-land-testimony-report

 

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"At least 37 people have been killed in a series of Israeli strikes, most in areas where displaced civilians have set up tents, Gaza's Hamas-run civil defence agency says."

"Witnesses in al-Mawasi told the BBC that tents were engulfed in flames following a "powerful" explosion, causing the deaths of dozens of Palestinians including children. One man said he woke to "screaming and panic" and watched as "the flames spread rapidly from one tent to another".

Israel has previously told Palestinians to evacuate from other parts of Gaza to al-Mawasi."

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c5yrl891j23o

badgerx16

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The IDF now saying the emergency workers were massacred due to an "operational misunderstanding", and that " poor nighttime visibility" was a contributing factor.

Those flashing blue and red lights must have made it really difficult to identify the vehicles as ambulances.

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Weston Super Saint

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Maybe, just maybe, the tide is turning?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c175z14r8pro

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The voice in the Telegram video is insistent. Loud. Sometimes musical.

And the message unambiguous.

"All of Hamas, out!"

On the streets of Gaza, more and more Palestinians are expressing open defiance against the armed group that's ruled the strip for almost 20 years.

Many hold Hamas responsible for plunging the tiny, impoverished territory into the worst crisis faced by Palestinians in more than 70 years.

 

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On 20/04/2025 at 16:43, badgerx16 said:

The IDF now saying the emergency workers were massacred due to an "operational misunderstanding", and that " poor nighttime visibility" was a contributing factor.

Those flashing blue and red lights must have made it really difficult to identify the vehicles as ambulances.

The world's most advanced army, scuppered by something as simple as light. Can't have taken them by surprise, could it? Fucking genocidal pricks.

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1 hour ago, tdmickey3 said:

Don’t be a cunt, just because it’s SOG

This guys views have shown him as a text book Nazi enabler

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1 hour ago, AlexLaw76 said:

What lesson?

If you have to have it spelt out for you then that explains your posts over the years. 
Tides turn and eventually oppressors face the consequences of their actions. If you had paid attention in your history classes you wouldn’t have to ask the question.

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12 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

Another clear example of antisemitism:

 

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I was referring to Batman. Whilst I disagree often with SOG he does appear to have principles 

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5 hours ago, hypochondriac said:

Another clear example of antisemitism:

 

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The World Jewish Congress are nearly as pro - Israel as you are mate, hardly an objective authority. 

And top marks for mistaking the target of the criticism 👏

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On 27/04/2025 at 11:12, hypochondriac said:

Another clear example of antisemitism:

 

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Another example of using anti semitism to excuse similar behaviour.

Strangely enough there are many prominent Jews who also hold the same views and find the actions of Netanyahu and his administration to be abhorrent. I guess they must be antisemitic too eh?

That makes these people antisemites.

https://www.lemonde.fr/en/international/article/2025/04/06/in-tel-aviv-saturday-protests-are-where-anger-against-netanyahu-converges_6739891_4.html#

There are no free passes. Oppression is oppression, not matter who the oppressors are. 

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And the usual idiots find the last post funny. You have to wonder what goes on between their ears, if anything at all. You can understand how people like Trump and Farage get votes when people like this are around.

So oppression is ok so long as you do it under an Israeli flag?

Israeli reservists speak out against the war.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/crldw5gklrro.amp

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rallyboy

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It's not like the Israeli state is murdering children or committing war crimes, they're not that sort of country.

This current wave of atrocities is just self defence.

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17 minutes ago, sadoldgit said:

It is a shame that tougher action hasn’t been taken against Netanyahu sooner. Not sure why it has taken so long to realise what is going on here and that he doesn’t plan to stop the killing and destruction any time soon.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/czxy19n4kpyo.amp

Unless and until Trump tells Israel that enough is enough, the IDF will continue filling their boots. Other Western voices of reason are irrelevant. It's a shameful carry which will carry on. 

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Wiggles31

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Israel is a disgrace. Absolutely disgusted by their actions, war crimes committed right in front of the whole world who watches. Fucking horrible country. 

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4 hours ago, egg said:

 

Unless and until Trump tells Israel that enough is enough, the IDF will continue filling their boots. Other Western voices of reason are irrelevant. It's a shameful carry which will carry on. 

This. The ceasefire looked like it was working until Trump unveiled his plans to turn Gaza into a tourist resort. Now what we are seeing is just blatant ethnic cleansing.

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18 minutes ago, aintforever said:

This. The ceasefire looked like it was working until Trump unveiled his plans to turn Gaza into a tourist resort. Now what we are seeing is just blatant ethnic cleansing.

Levelling the ground in preparation for Trump's construction workers to move in.

sadoldgit

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19 hours ago, Wiggles31 said:

Israel is a disgrace. Absolutely disgusted by their actions, war crimes committed right in front of the whole world who watches. Fucking horrible country. 

If I had said this a year ago this thread would be full of replies calling me an anti-Semite. It shows just how thinks have descended into a new hell that there has been no response. The actions of Netanyahu’s army, increasingly since the fateful events of 7th October, are starting to make the antisemite card unplayable. If Starmer and Lammy had made these comments this time last year there would have been an outcry from certain, very loud, quarters that they were anti semites. 

What we have, very plainly now, is someone in Netanyahu who will go down in history with other infamous, murderous aggressors. It was clear from the beginning that he was using the Hamas attack as an excuse to destroy Gaza and to take more land in the West Bank. An Israeli caller on a phone in show this morning made the point about how Israelis crave land and how they are using 2000 years of oppression to try and mitigate their behaviour on the world stage. It has taken too long, but perhaps now the West will stop arming a nation that is out of control morally and legally under international law.
 

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19 minutes ago, sadoldgit said:

would be full of replies calling me an anti-Semite.

Clearly not all opposers to what Israel are doing are antisemites. However your constant reference to not being antisemitic hold little weight as you have let it slip by your ‘clumsy language’. Still not as if you loosely call people Islamophobes eh?

I would put Wiggles in the same camp if he calls Israel ‘a fucking horrible country’

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1 hour ago, sadoldgit said:

If I had said this a year ago this thread would be full of replies calling me an anti-Semite. It shows just how thinks have descended into a new hell that there has been no response. The actions of Netanyahu’s army, increasingly since the fateful events of 7th October, are starting to make the antisemite card unplayable. If Starmer and Lammy had made these comments this time last year there would have been an outcry from certain, very loud, quarters that they were anti semites. 

What we have, very plainly now, is someone in Netanyahu who will go down in history with other infamous, murderous aggressors. It was clear from the beginning that he was using the Hamas attack as an excuse to destroy Gaza and to take more land in the West Bank. An Israeli caller on a phone in show this morning made the point about how Israelis crave land and how they are using 2000 years of oppression to try and mitigate their behaviour on the world stage. It has taken too long, but perhaps now the West will stop arming a nation that is out of control morally and legally under international law.
 

TBF I have constantly criticised Israel's conduct, and I have never been called an anti-Semite.

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4 hours ago, Farmer Saint said:

TBF I have constantly criticised Israel's conduct, and I have never been called an anti-Semite.

You should have been on here when it all kicked off then. I think you would have a different attitude. I was called an anti semite because I said that nothing happens in a vacuum after the attack by Hamas and that there were no guys in white hats and black hats in this situation.

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23 minutes ago, sadoldgit said:

You should have been on here when it all kicked off then. I think you would have a different attitude. I was called an anti semite because I said that nothing happens in a vacuum after the attack by Hamas and that there were no guys in white hats and black hats in this situation.

that isnt why you were called an antisemite you imbecile 

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The Kraken

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Don’t know why he lies about it, he’s been caught consistently using antisemitic tropes and language since well before 7/10, it’s all written down. Shameless.

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On 21/06/2023 at 10:59, whelk said:

but given the way that Jewish people have been discriminated against through the ages their treatment of the Palestinians does them no credit. You don’t get a free pass to crush someone or displace them just because it has happened to you in the past.

Hmmmmmm

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Farmer Saint

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7 minutes ago, whelk said:

Hmmmmmm

You'd have thought they'd have more sympathy to the plight and to be fair, I'm sure many do. However, Netanyahu and his cronies are utter cunts and I hope they rot in prison.

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Lord Duckhunter

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7 hours ago, sadoldgit said:

Israelis crave land and how they are using 2000 years of oppression to try and mitigate their behaviour on the world stage.

Conflating Isreal & Jews is anti semitic….

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