Israel

[hypochondriac]

14 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said:

Someone else misinterpreting what you're written. Seems to be a pattern here...

I never claimed you said she was, all I said is posts have clearly been misinterpreted because that was the impression I got. You seem very aggressive about this.

Unless we have read ALL your posts, this is clearly something that could be misunderstood. You seem to be arguing against something that I haven't said here - Egg may have said that but I didn't.

There certainly is! It's a particular type of poster though isn't it. Almost like it's wilful. Either that or certain posters like building up imagined caricatures o others and inventing things they didn't say as it makes it easier to challenge without any sort of nuance.

[benjii]

Pretty sure Hypo has a Muslim wife.

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31 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

There certainly is! It's a particular type of poster though isn't it. Almost like it's wilful. Either that or certain posters like building up imagined caricatures o others and inventing things they didn't say as it makes it easier to challenge without any sort of nuance.

Behave. Everything I know or understand about posters is based entirely on what they've posted. Don't flatter yourself that I give a monkeys about who or what you are in the real world. 

If you haven't said or implied that your missus is Muslim, then I'm a Viking called Erik.

[hypochondriac]

6 minutes ago, egg said:

Behave. Everything I know or understand about posters is based entirely on what they've posted. Don't flatter yourself that I give a monkeys about who or what you are in the real world. 

If you haven't said or implied that your missus is Muslim, then I'm a Viking called Erik.

Except you can find no evidence that I have done so. I've never implied or said that my wife was a Muslim. I know what I said because I know what the truth is and in fact I've explicitly stated on here that she is not a Muslim.Even soggy agrees with me and he certainly has no reason to. You're just wrong on this one I'm afraid and you've let your dislike of me influence you too much. We can agree that there is no evidence that anyone can find that I ever said my wife is a Muslim and you've wrongly inferred she was when I mentioned that my father in law is. It's OK to make a mistake sometimes.

[egg]

3 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

Except you can find no evidence that I have done so. I've never implied or said that my wife was a Muslim. I know what I said because I know what the truth is and in fact I've explicitly stated on here that she is not a Muslim.Even soggy agrees with me and he certainly has no reason to. You're just wrong on this one I'm afraid and you've let your dislike of me influence you too much. We can agree that there is no evidence that anyone can find that I ever said my wife is a Muslim and you've wrongly inferred she was when I mentioned that my father in law is. It's OK to make a mistake sometimes.

Whether she is or she isn't makes no odds to me, bizarre that you feel that it would. 

On topic, your attitude towards the behaviour of the Israeli regime yesterday and over the recent past, is at odds with that of decent people. If your wife or father or in law is Muslim, it feels odd to me that you have so little compassion for the wanton killing of Muslims by the Israeli regime. 

Regardless of your wife's religion, I regard you as a bit of a cunt on this issue. 

[hypochondriac]

12 minutes ago, egg said:

Whether she is or she isn't makes no odds to me, bizarre that you feel that it would. 

On topic, your attitude towards the behaviour of the Israeli regime yesterday and over the recent past, is at odds with that of decent people. If your wife or father or in law is Muslim, it feels odd to me that you have so little compassion for the wanton killing of Muslims by the Israeli regime. 

Regardless of your wife's religion, I regard you as a bit of a cunt on this issue. 

Again, I never claimed it made a difference to you I just don't appreciate it when posters make up things I've said or implied when I have never done so because it's certainly not the first time it's happened. Without any evidence of what I've said I'm not going to rely on your faulty memory and would prefer to make it clear what I've actually written to reduce the chances of any misunderstandings in future.

Kindly link where I have claimed that mass indiscriminate killing of Muslims is either desirable or something to be pleased about? I never have. I know it really upsets you when someone disagrees with you on an issue like this but there's really no need for foul language.

Edited September 10 by hypochondriac

[Turkish]

1 hour ago, egg said:

Indeed. The impression has been given of having a Muslim wife and in-laws. Very odd to now suggest otherwise. 

 

1 hour ago, Farmer Saint said:

Sorry, it must be the way you've written in the past about it for multiple people to misunderstand. Is it that she comes from a Muslim family but doesn't practice then or something like that?

TBF i dont ever remember him saying she was Muslim but has said several times she was Asian or something like that.

[egg]

2 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

Again, I never claimed it made a difference to you I just don't appreciate it when posters make up things I've said or implied when I have never done so because it's certainly not the first time it's happened. Without any evidence of what I've said I'm not going to rely on your faulty memory and would prefer to make it clear what I've actually written to reduce the chances of any misunderstandings in future.

Kindly link where I have claimed that mass indiscriminate killing of Muslims is either desirable or something to be pleased about? I never have. I know it really upsets you when someone disagrees with you on an issue like this but there's really no need for foul language.

Your posting history is up there and elsewhere mate. I'm allowed my opinion of you, and whilst I appreciate that dents your ego, but that's my opinion. 

On topic. 

Are you ready to denounce what the Israeli regime are doing in Gaza, or the West Bank, or did yesterday in Qatar? It's a yes or no. 

[egg]

Just now, Turkish said:

 

TBF i dont ever remember him saying she was Muslim but has said several times she was Asian or something like that.

So Asian and with a Muslim father. 

[hypochondriac]

Just now, egg said:

Your posting history is up there and elsewhere mate. I'm allowed my opinion of you, and whilst I appreciate that dents your ego, but that's my opinion. 

On topic. 

Are you ready to denounce what the Israeli regime are doing in Gaza, or the West Bank, or did yesterday in Qatar? It's a yes or no. 

Of course you are but you've repeated multiple times vague allusions to my posting history without ever being explicit about anything I've posted. You like to smear people with impressions you get about what you think might be implied by a post rather than what is actually written. That's why you've just got into trouble regarding my phantom Muslim wife. You'd be far better off looking at taking issue with what I've actually posted and then replying to those things rather than whatever image of me you have in your head.

[hypochondriac]

1 minute ago, egg said:

So Asian and with a Muslim father. 

Yes and with several Muslim family members. I've never claimed anything else.

[Turkish]

5 minutes ago, egg said:

So Asian and with a Muslim father. 

Dont know about that but he said here his wife gets mistake for being Indian. 

Badger also quotes him saying he has a wife of Arabic descent and a Muslim Father in law

I dont ever remember him saying she was Muslim

 

 

 

Edited September 10 by Turkish

[egg]

Just now, hypochondriac said:

Of course you are but you've repeated multiple times vague allusions to my posting history without ever being explicit about anything I've posted. You like to smear people with impressions you get about what you think might be implied by a post rather than what is actually written. That's why you've just got into trouble regarding my phantom Muslim wife. You'd be far better off looking at taking issue with what I've actually posted and then replying to those things rather than whatever image of me you have in your head.

I really don't have to do that. Your posts just yesterday did not denounce the Israeli action in Qatar, and was very nonchalant about the deaths from it. 

Back in topic (the topic isn't you or any wife you may have): 

Are you ready to denounce what the Israeli regime are doing in Gaza, or the West Bank, or did yesterday in Qatar? It's a yes or no.

 

[hypochondriac]

2 minutes ago, egg said:

I really don't have to do that. Your posts just yesterday did not denounce the Israeli action in Qatar, and was very nonchalant about the deaths from it. 

Back in topic (the topic isn't you or any wife you may have): 

Are you ready to denounce what the Israeli regime are doing in Gaza, or the West Bank, or did yesterday in Qatar? It's a yes or no.

 

I think if Hamas scum terrorists have been killed then it's a great thing. A few less of them is a good result.

[egg]

2 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

Yes and with several Muslim family members. I've never claimed anything else.

FFS, and you've spent all morning spitting your teeth out. Forming the impression that an Asian woman with a Muslim father and other Muslim close family members, is herself Muslim, is not particularly wild. 

[hypochondriac]

6 minutes ago, Turkish said:

Dont know about that but he said here his wife gets mistake for being Indian. 

Badger also quotes him saying he has a wife of Arabic descent and a Muslim Father in law

I dont ever remember him saying she was Muslim

 

 

Can't be bothered anymore. Glad it's been cleared up .

Edited September 10 by hypochondriac

[egg]

Just now, hypochondriac said:

I think if Hamas scum terrorists have been killed then it's a great thing. A few less of them is a good result.

How about the 17,000 kids, and non Hamas people? Fair game?

Is it ok that Israel hit other sovereign nations in pursuit of their targets? 

[hypochondriac]

1 minute ago, egg said:

FFS, and you've spent all morning spitting your teeth out. Forming the impression that an Asian woman with a Muslim father and other Muslim close family members, is herself Muslim, is not particularly wild. 

 

2 minutes ago, egg said:

FFS, and you've spent all morning spitting your teeth out. Forming the impression that an Asian woman with a Muslim father and other Muslim close family members, is herself Muslim, is not particularly wild. 

Or correcting the record when someone accuses me of saying something I didn't say.

[egg]

Just now, hypochondriac said:

 

Or correcting the record when someone accuses me of saying something I didn't say.

And thank you for clarifying that your Asian/Arabic wife, with a Muslim father, and other close family members who are Muslim, is not herself a Muslim. 

[Sheaf Saint]

There's clearly a blurred line between coming from an Islamic family and being an actual believer/ practicing Muslim, if that is the distinction being made here. An old friend of mine was in a similar position in that she had an obviously Islamic name, but had completely turned her back on that way of life when she was quite young and was disowned by her father as a result. But I also know one or two people who don't practice, but still consider themselves to be Muslim anyway as it is more a label of their ethnicity than their religious beliefs. Just as being of Jewish ethnicity doesn't necessarily equate to being a practicing Jew. So any confusion around this is perhaps understandable.

I'd imagine that many of those killed in Gaza also sit somewhere within these blurred lines.

[hypochondriac]

27 minutes ago, egg said:

How about the 17,000 kids, and non Hamas people? Fair game?

Is it ok that Israel hit other sovereign nations in pursuit of their targets? 

I have actually posted on here extensively in the past but I can repeat myself again if you like. My understanding is that civilian to combatant deaths are broadly in line with what you would expect to see in an urban warfare environment (depending on who you ask). Incidents where IDF soldiers can be proven to have acted unlawfully in killing people, they should be held accountable and punished. I don't like the rhetoric of Smotrich and Ben gvir myself. Hamas should release the hostages and give up and then I think there would be a lot more sympathy were they continue to be attacked by Israel.

[hypochondriac]

3 minutes ago, Sheaf Saint said:

There's clearly a blurred line between coming from an Islamic family and being an actual believer/ practicing Muslim, if that is the distinction being made here. An old friend of mine was in a similar position in that she had an obviously Islamic name, but had completely turned her back on that way of life when she was quite young and was disowned by her father as a result. But I also know one or two people who don't practice, but still consider themselves to be Muslim anyway as it is more a label of their ethnicity than their religious beliefs. Just as being of Jewish ethnicity doesn't necessarily equate to being a practicing Jew. So any confusion around this is perhaps understandable.

I'd imagine that many of those killed in Gaza also sit somewhere within these blurred lines.

I agree. My wife is not a Muslim but has an Arabic name. Her mother is English and married an Arab who is essentially non practising depending on who he is talking to and when it suits him. Many of my wife's family are practising Muslims.

[Farmer Saint]

31 minutes ago, egg said:

And thank you for clarifying that your Asian/Arabic wife, with a Muslim father, and other close family members who are Muslim, is not herself a Muslim. 

It's the notion that coming to the conclusion that she could be muslim is so offensive to him. This has been a very odd page of posts.

[benjii]

Hypo's wife's a Muslim

She wears a Muslim hat

And when she wears it back to front 

She looks.....

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[hypochondriac]

3 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said:

It's the notion that coming to the conclusion that she could be muslim is so offensive to him. This has been a very odd page of posts.

The offense is posters attributing things to me that I have never said and suggesting that I use my wife's fictitious religion as a cover to hate Muslims. It's impossible to be offended by something that I know is untrue. It would be like claiming my wife has six fingers or purple hair. I'd similarly look to correct the record in those cases too.

[egg]

17 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

The offense is posters attributing things to me that I have never said and suggesting that I use my wife's fictitious religion as a cover to hate Muslims. It's impossible to be offended by something that I know is untrue. It would be like claiming my wife has six fingers or purple hair. I'd similarly look to correct the record in those cases too.

I don't think you have a lot of time for the plight of the muslims in Gaza, or the behaviour of the Israeli regime against other Muslim states. Yes, I find that unpleasant in any human, and surprising in someone with close Muslim family members. 

I do find it odd though that you cannot see how someone could (wrongly) assume that your wife is Muslim given what you've said about her and her close family. My misunderstanding is not the gotcha you claim it as. 

Edited September 10 by egg

[Farmer Saint]

34 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

The offense is posters attributing things to me that I have never said and suggesting that I use my wife's fictitious religion as a cover to hate Muslims. It's impossible to be offended by something that I know is untrue. It would be like claiming my wife has six fingers or purple hair. I'd similarly look to correct the record in those cases too.

Your wife has six fingers and purple hair? That's not very Muslim is it?

[benjii]

1 hour ago, Farmer Saint said:

Your wife has six fingers and purple hair? That's not very Muslim is it?

Probably a wokeist!!!

[Farmer Saint]

3 minutes ago, benjii said:

Probably a wokeist!!!

Fucking wokey snowflakes. Can't say anything anymore. 

[Convict Colony]

Not read any of this thread but having been to israel 4 times please feel free to ask me any questions as the resident israeli expert.

First tip never ever fly El Al unless you like queing.

[Lord Duckhunter]

2 minutes ago, Convict Colony said:

First tip never ever fly El Al unless you like queing.

They gave me the best flight of my life…

 

Got us the hell out of Dodge on Oct 8th. 

[Convict Colony]

Fair point and glad u were ok, El Al take their security very seriously, full respect they are professionals.

[benjii]

The Most Moral Army out spreading morality again.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cj3ye45lrl1o

 

 

 

 

 

 

[egg]

4 minutes ago, benjii said:

The Most Moral Army out spreading morality again.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cj3ye45lrl1o

 

 

 

 

 

 

I'm out of words for the Israeli regime. The decent people get it, and the blinkered never will. The sycophant Starmer has made his bed on the wrong side of right, and won't shift unless and until Trump develops some morality. 

The situation in Gaza will get worse until Egypt has no choice but to take people in, and we'll see even more of that ^^^ kind of appalling behaviour in the West Bank, more illegal settlements, more outposts, more mass "arrests" and detention without charge (basically hostage taking), and the continued annexation of Palestinian land. 

What we're seeing is an utter disgrace. 

[Sheaf Saint]

10 hours ago, egg said:

I'm out of words for the Israeli regime. The decent people get it, and the blinkered never will. The sycophant Starmer has made his bed on the wrong side of right, and won't shift unless and until Trump develops some morality. 

The situation in Gaza will get worse until Egypt has no choice but to take people in, and we'll see even more of that ^^^ kind of appalling behaviour in the West Bank, more illegal settlements, more outposts, more mass "arrests" and detention without charge (basically hostage taking), and the continued annexation of Palestinian land. 

What we're seeing is an utter disgrace. 

But remember we're not allowed to compare them to the Nazis because, apparently, that's anti-Semitic.

[egg]

4 minutes ago, Sheaf Saint said:

But remember we're not allowed to compare them to the Nazis because, apparently, that's anti-Semitic.

Although plenty of decent Jewish people do. Miriam Margolyes has risen from bloody irritating to bloody decent in my eyes with her comments. 

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DMiL0mXI3kM/?igsh=MTYzdjJoYjJwb20xYQ==

 

[Lord Duckhunter]

Only a fucking idiot with no understanding of history would compare them to Nazis. The Nazis set up gas chambers for the industrial killing of Jews. Given the means, they would have killed every single Jew in Europe. If the Israeli's wanted to kill Palestinians on that scale, they could…..

[egg]

2 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

Only a fucking idiot with no understanding of history would compare them to Nazis. The Nazis set up gas chambers for the industrial killing of Jews. Given the means, they would have killed every single Jew in Europe. If the Israeli's wanted to kill Palestinians on that scale, they could…..

You have no right whatsoever to say that a Jew born in the holocaust cannot make that comparison. Your views are clear. Hers I respect. 

[Lord Duckhunter]

1 minute ago, egg said:

You have no right whatsoever to say that a Jew born in the holocaust cannot make that comparison.

I’ve got every right because it’s pony. If the Israelis were similar to the Nazis, there wouldn’t be over 2 million Palestinians still alive in Gaza. 

[egg]

Just now, Lord Duckhunter said:

I’ve got every right because it’s pony. If the Israelis were similar to the Nazis, there wouldn’t be over 2 million Palestinians still alive in Gaza. 

I think you misunderstand her comparison. It's not literal.

I'd hazard a guess that many of those 2 million people would prefer death to their existence. 

[The Kraken]

28 minutes ago, egg said:

You have no right whatsoever to say that a Jew born in the holocaust cannot make that comparison. Your views are clear. Hers I respect. 

“A Jew born in the holocaust”. Is that the right term for direct comparison? She was born in Oxford to British parents, wasn’t she? I don’t want to invalidate her argument, nor downplay how utterly awful the situation is now. But not sure why she’s so worthy a cause just because she shares a religion and common ancestry.

[Gloucester Saint]

Hostages’ families finally seeing the penny drop - Netanyahu and the far right nationalists in his cabinet he is beholden to are their major remaining obstacle https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c1dqrg32zd9o

Trump still blind on the issue though. 

Edited Sunday at 14:12 by Gloucester Saint

[Lord Duckhunter]

23 hours ago, egg said:

Hers I respect. 

She’s at it again, now it’s people raising flags reminding her of Nazis….

 

 

[egg]

What the IDF do to Palestinian hospitals.

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DI3zyZWsGFc/?igsh=MTA5czFvbWRoN3oyNQ==

I can only assume that preventing people from getting well is a way of Israel protecting itself.

[rallyboy]

Putting aside starvation, by committing the multiple war crimes of killing medical staff, attacking ambulances, targeting consultants in their own homes and dismantling the health service, for many countries Israel has ticked enough boxes to qualify their self defence operation as genocide.

But the worst thing is that none of the above assists the release or rescue of the hostages. 

 

 

[badgerx16]

6 minutes ago, rallyboy said:

Putting aside starvation, by committing the multiple war crimes of killing medical staff, attacking ambulances, targeting consultants in their own homes and dismantling the health service, for many countries Israel has ticked enough boxes to qualify their self defence operation as genocide.

But the worst thing is that none of the above assists the release or rescue of the hostages. 

 

 

Netanyahu doesn't give a shit about the hostages. He's got, in his eyes, a perfect excuse to crush the Palestinian cockroaches and fully annexe their lands. ( All in the cause of Greater Israel, but don't mention Lebensraum ).

Edited Monday at 07:20 by badgerx16

[egg]

50 minutes ago, rallyboy said:

Putting aside starvation, by committing the multiple war crimes of killing medical staff, attacking ambulances, targeting consultants in their own homes and dismantling the health service, for many countries Israel has ticked enough boxes to qualify their self defence operation as genocide.

But the worst thing is that none of the above assists the release or rescue of the hostages. 

 

 

Agreed, although it's a mystery what Hamas ever expected to achieve by taking those hostages, and what they hope to achieve by holding on to them. 

[Jonnyboy]

14 hours ago, egg said:

Agreed, although it's a mystery what Hamas ever expected to achieve by taking those hostages, and what they hope to achieve by holding on to them. 

Not that mysterious really.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gilad_Shalit_prisoner_exchange

[Farmer Saint]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c8641wv0n4go

Yeah, no shit. Blatantly obvious for all to see.

Edited yesterday at 07:25 by Farmer Saint

[sadoldgit]

No surprise at the ruling, which has come too late, or by the response which, as usual, claims anti-semitism. What those claiming anti-semitism seem to ignore is that the ruling used many comments made by Israeli leaders for its conclusions.

Four out of five boxes ticked in the test for a genocide ruling. Some legacy Netanyahu and his cronies is leaving for the state of Israel.