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I know he can be so frustrating as a finisher. But I'd argue his real contribution to the team is as a playmaker. The number of times yesterday he received the ball midfield and either held off defenders in powerful or flicked forward to create space... I lost count. In many ways he's an essential part of the Russell Martin plan... because he can be the key that unlocks breakthrough moments for our attacks.  He's not often credited with official assists, because his key plays come a few moves earlier. He's the assister of the assisters. But he's incredibly good at it.  His substitution was, I think, a big part of our fall off second half.  We lost our out, our playmaker.  Personally I'd love us to offer him a new contract....

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With due respect to Che Adams, He was good until the end of the summer transfer window as soon as the window closed he was hopeless. Approaching the January window he picked up again and put himself about, got into the box and started scoring again. I wonder why that is. Personally. unless he signs the contract we should let him go and get a goalscorer in. If he's still here after the window he may well revert to hopeless again. We can't afford that.

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3 hours ago, derry said:

With due respect to Che Adams, He was good until the end of the summer transfer window as soon as the window closed he was hopeless. Approaching the January window he picked up again and put himself about, got into the box and started scoring again. I wonder why that is. Personally. unless he signs the contract we should let him go and get a goalscorer in. If he's still here after the window he may well revert to hopeless again. We can't afford that.

Would certain rather keep Adams who we already know is a goalscorer at this level rather than have £5m to replace him with (in all liklihood) someone who has never played football in England before and would be under pressure to adapt very quickly due to the number of games we have in Feb.

Adams is one of the best strikers in the league and we already have him so might as well keep if we can.

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he looked a bit leaner yesterday to me 

he’s playing well in this front three with fraser and AA and he’s good at bringing others into play even if his finishing is at times erratic 

seems pointless disrupting that front three for the sake of a few million quid in the grand scheme of things 

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Che is pretty much a known quality - and quantity. We’ve seen what he can - and cannot, do. 

Even in a rubbish EPL team he failed to particularly shine - players like Ings etc still showed class playing in our rubbish team. 
At Champship level he looks very good. 

I think he’s found his level.

Next season in the EPL a new #9 with higher ceiling please. 
Next season in the championship Che is an excellent choice. 

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18 minutes ago, gio1saints said:

Che is pretty much a known quality - and quantity. We’ve seen what he can - and cannot, do. 

Even in a rubbish EPL team he failed to particularly shine - players like Ings etc still showed class playing in our rubbish team. 
At Champship level he looks very good. 

I think he’s found his level.

Next season in the EPL a new #9 with higher ceiling please. 
Next season in the championship Che is an excellent choice. 

“Higher ceiling” hmm, who in your opinion had the highest ceiling, Broja or Adam Armstrong?

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He’s an absolute donkey sometimes but often a handful and will create lots of space and opportunities for others. Absolutely no point selling him for the money being mentioned, even if it means he goes on a free in the summer. You’d happily pay a few million for a player like him if you’re in the chase for promotion, even just as an option 

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Still think we really need to upgrade on him. I’m not really sold by his current form. I think it’s more of a case of the whole team and squad absolutely clicking perfectly at the moment for example Mara has also been scoring too but not getting as many minutes..

in a team playing like this, sure he’s gonna score but back in the premiership where you need to be clinical he’s not the man you want the crucial chances falling to .. hope we don’t get fooled into giving him a new deal.

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1 hour ago, pimpin4rizeal said:

Still think we really need to upgrade on him. I’m not really sold by his current form. I think it’s more of a case of the whole team and squad absolutely clicking perfectly at the moment for example Mara has also been scoring too but not getting as many minutes..

in a team playing like this, sure he’s gonna score but back in the premiership where you need to be clinical he’s not the man you want the crucial chances falling to .. hope we don’t get fooled into giving him a new deal.

By giving him a new deal we then have the option to sell him for a proper fee rather than get nothing at the end of the season !

As others have said, for what we'd get right now we're better off keeping him....

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1 hour ago, eurosaint said:

By giving him a new deal we then have the option to sell him for a proper fee rather than get nothing at the end of the season !

As others have said, for what we'd get right now we're better off keeping him....

The alternative to selling Che for c. £5m and the #9 sized gap that creates in our squad at the business end of the season is a “new deal” that Che might get or ask from Saints. It can come in a variety of forms :

For example : 6mths, 1 year , 2year + extension deal,  on an augmented salary , and including a re-signing on loyalty bonus or specific other benefits. Such as a “get promoted to EPL” £1m bonus. All plausible. 


His agent can ask Saints for that now - and i would be surprised if it’s not already happening - or Saints can suggest it to his agent - and the closer to automatic we get the more likely it is we will - and Che might accept - or more likely still his agent will see what other clubs have to say first and say “ I’ll get back to you” . 

Acceptance would temporarily end the speculation in this window and enable RM to plan last 19 games knowing his settled strike force. Which is a big plus of high value. £5m worth? EPL promotion worth? It’s a guess but I think overall most of us would say “yes” and prefer that in particular given he’s started scoring again. 

The most likely scenario (for me anyway) is that Che prefers to stay until end of season, on his current salary - or augmented for 6 months - and enjoys a promotion campaign with Saints not a relegation battle for a bottom six EPL club he’s just joined for the money. 
 

He would then be free to accept whatever offers are put on the table in the Summer including any new deal offer from Saints. His positioning would be strong as a strike force leader of a team that got promoted scoring loads of goals not passing saints on the way down if he joins a relegation bound team. 

IF Che stays until end of season AND Saints get promoted then it’s decision time. His stock would be higher imo. A 2 year extension deal, on EPL salary and a re-signing on loyalty bonus might all be on the table for him from Saints. 


No question. At Championship level he is very very good player. 

At Premiership level he’s arguably going to be better suited playing for saints in our current style than playing for others in a different style. But His level in other styles is not top top striker imo - from our own experiences in the epl with him and his international form - but rather , at best, a mid table EPL teams striker. 
 

If we go up I certainly would want an upgrade. And to keep Che anyways. Whether that is RS or another new striker I don’t know. 
 

 

 

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18 hours ago, gio1saints said:

Che is pretty much a known quality - and quantity. We’ve seen what he can - and cannot, do. 

Even in a rubbish EPL team he failed to particularly shine - players like Ings etc still showed class playing in our rubbish team. 
At Champship level he looks very good. 

I think he’s found his level.

Next season in the EPL a new #9 with higher ceiling please. 
Next season in the championship Che is an excellent choice. 

Bring in Broja for next season.

 

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8 hours ago, eurosaint said:

By giving him a new deal we then have the option to sell him for a proper fee rather than get nothing at the end of the season !

As others have said, for what we'd get right now we're better off keeping him....

We had that in the summer.  No one wanted to buy him.....

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23 hours ago, gio1saints said:

The alternative to selling Che for c. £5m and the #9 sized gap that creates in our squad at the business end of the season is a “new deal” that Che might get or ask from Saints. It can come in a variety of forms :

For example : 6mths, 1 year , 2year + extension deal,  on an augmented salary , and including a re-signing on loyalty bonus or specific other benefits. Such as a “get promoted to EPL” £1m bonus. All plausible. 


His agent can ask Saints for that now - and i would be surprised if it’s not already happening - or Saints can suggest it to his agent - and the closer to automatic we get the more likely it is we will - and Che might accept - or more likely still his agent will see what other clubs have to say first and say “ I’ll get back to you” . 

Acceptance would temporarily end the speculation in this window and enable RM to plan last 19 games knowing his settled strike force. Which is a big plus of high value. £5m worth? EPL promotion worth? It’s a guess but I think overall most of us would say “yes” and prefer that in particular given he’s started scoring again. 

The most likely scenario (for me anyway) is that Che prefers to stay until end of season, on his current salary - or augmented for 6 months - and enjoys a promotion campaign with Saints not a relegation battle for a bottom six EPL club he’s just joined for the money. 
 

He would then be free to accept whatever offers are put on the table in the Summer including any new deal offer from Saints. His positioning would be strong as a strike force leader of a team that got promoted scoring loads of goals not passing saints on the way down if he joins a relegation bound team. 

IF Che stays until end of season AND Saints get promoted then it’s decision time. His stock would be higher imo. A 2 year extension deal, on EPL salary and a re-signing on loyalty bonus might all be on the table for him from Saints. 


No question. At Championship level he is very very good player. 

At Premiership level he’s arguably going to be better suited playing for saints in our current style than playing for others in a different style. But His level in other styles is not top top striker imo - from our own experiences in the epl with him and his international form - but rather , at best, a mid table EPL teams striker. 
 

If we go up I certainly would want an upgrade. And to keep Che anyways. Whether that is RS or another new striker I don’t know. 
 

 

 

Can someone summarise this post in a less than 3 bullet points please? 

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18 minutes ago, wild-saint said:

Can someone summarise this post in a less than 3 bullet points please? 

No.  Fucking read it yourself or don't, either way stop being a prick would be my advice to you.

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17 minutes ago, notnowcato said:

No.  Fucking read it yourself or don't, either way stop being a prick would be my advice to you.

Thanks @notnowcatobut I’m happy to oblige. 

- I think Che is best served staying at saints until the summer. 


- I think it’s also in saints best interests that happens. 


- IF we go up Che can take his £££ best choice - but from the footballing perspective our style seems to suit him much better than the way we played last time in EPL. 
 

PS. I know some / many of my posts read more like articles than quick points. Apologies if that means they are too long for busy people wanting a condensed pov. 😇

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39 minutes ago, notnowcato said:

No.  Fucking read it yourself or don't, either way stop being a prick would be my advice to you.

who rattled your cage. I was only asking as like you said i cant be arsed to read an essay.  

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2 hours ago, wild-saint said:

who rattled your cage. I was only asking as like you said i cant be arsed to read an essay.  

But you can create a sarcy comment about something you can't be bothered to read, go you.

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17 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

Do you consider there to be something wrong with having a boyfriend? Bigot. 

Whether Gio and I are boyfriend, girlfriend, or dogging partners is, frankly, none of your business.  Nobhead. 

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48 minutes ago, notnowcato said:

But you can create a sarcy comment about something you can't be bothered to read, go you.

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8 minutes ago, notnowcato said:

Whether Gio and I are boyfriend, girlfriend, or dogging partners is, frankly, none of your business.  Nobhead. 

It becomes everyone's business when you start flouncing around the board white knighting for another poster because they dared to suggest that a reply could do with being a bit less verbose. Astoundingly, Gio was the adult in the room and did what was asked but it didn't stop you making at tit of yourself did it. 

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3 minutes ago, wild-saint said:

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Introduction:

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Hello mate, any chance you could condense this bollocks into 2 bullet points?  Forever in your debt, NNC.

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1 minute ago, notnowcato said:

Hello mate, any chance you could condense this bollocks into 2 bullet points?  Forever in your debt, NNC.

No.  Fucking read it yourself or don't, either way stop being a prick would be my advice to you. 

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Just now, hypochondriac said:

It becomes everyone's business when you start flouncing around the board white knighting for another poster because they dared to suggest that a reply could do with being a bit less verbose. Astoundingly, Gio was the adult in the room and did what was asked but it didn't stop you making it at it of yourself did it. 

Believe that, if it suits you.

Meanwhile, in the real world, Gio failed to meet the demands of lazy wild-saint.  Wild clearly asked for LESS than 3 bullet points, Gio could only condense to 3.  I hope Gio is hanging his head in shame.  Bad Gio.

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14 minutes ago, gio1saints said:

@hypochondriacWhy are you calling me @notnowcato boyfriend? And then throwing out allegations of bigotry at him? 
 

That’s a very strange comment. 
 

Oh, and @wild-saintyou said you cannot be arsed to read my post and ask for it in bullet points - so I obliged - and you’re welcome btw. 

Lol! No. I wasn't. 

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