Challenger Posted June 20 Posted June 20 5 hours ago, Holmes_and_Watson said: I'm worried that Starmer will say he's leaving the broom, then u turn, leaving the nation broomless, and unable to afford one as Burnham has spent all the money. Never mind the broom, just leave us a pot to piss in.
Holmes_and_Watson Posted June 20 Posted June 20 18 minutes ago, Challenger said: Never mind the broom, just leave us a pot to piss in. A pot?! We're terrified about losing the broom, and you want to burden the national debt with a pot?! 1
Lord Duckhunter Posted June 20 Posted June 20 (edited) Hopefully we can get back to grey, boring politics again after the crazy, psycho dramas of the last two years. Edited June 20 by Lord Duckhunter 1 3
Challenger Posted June 20 Posted June 20 1 hour ago, Holmes_and_Watson said: A pot?! We're terrified about losing the broom, and you want to burden the national debt with a pot?! Sorry I'm being a bit greedy, will have to be satisfied with a crock of shit. 1
badgerx16 Posted June 20 Posted June 20 36 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said: Hopefully we can get back to grey, boring politics again after the crazy, psycho dramas of the last two years. TWO years ? 1
Holmes_and_Watson Posted June 20 Posted June 20 43 minutes ago, Challenger said: Sorry I'm being a bit greedy, will have to be satisfied with a crock of shit. Now that we can do. Welcome to Britain. 🙂
Holmes_and_Watson Posted June 20 Posted June 20 1 hour ago, Lord Duckhunter said: Hopefully we can get back to grey, boring politics again after the crazy, psycho dramas of the last two years. That "hopefully" is creaking under a lot of weight in @sadoldgit's opener.
Turkish Posted June 20 Posted June 20 11 hours ago, Holmes_and_Watson said: The Burnham Years - Will the Unions Give Him A Broom? thread. I thought it was traditional that @sadoldgit started these. But he's been taking a break from the lounge of late. Probably found an echo chamber on mumsnet or such like
Wade Garrett Posted June 21 Posted June 21 Watching Kuenssberg now. Is there a more loathsome, self-serving politician than Peter Kyle. What an absolute cunt he is 😂.
Holmes_and_Watson Posted June 21 Posted June 21 What an astounding surprise to hear that Starmer is now considering "what's best for the country." I'm astonished and would never, ever have thought he'd not put up a leadership fight. Almost as if he's been dragged kicking, and screaming to this position after months of offering all sorts to people to stop it happening.
Wade Garrett Posted June 21 Posted June 21 1 hour ago, Holmes_and_Watson said: What an astounding surprise to hear that Starmer is now considering "what's best for the country." I'm astonished and would never, ever have thought he'd not put up a leadership fight. Almost as if he's been dragged kicking, and screaming to this position after months of offering all sorts to people to stop it happening. He doesn’t give two shits what’s best for the country. Even his exit is about what’s best for him. I’n no fan of Burnham, but what a relief it will be to no longer have Starmer in charge. Hopefully, the new PM will sack Reeves and Milliband as well. Milliband in particular needs his wings clipped. 1
AlexLaw76 Posted June 21 Posted June 21 2 minutes ago, Wade Garrett said: He doesn’t give two shits what’s best for the country. Even his exit is about what’s best for him. I’n no fan of Burnham, but what a relief it will be to no longer have Starmer in charge. Hopefully, the new PM will sack Reeves and Milliband as well. Milliband in particular needs his wings clipped. Just wait till Milliband is appointed Chancellor 1
Wade Garrett Posted June 21 Posted June 21 Just now, AlexLaw76 said: Just wait till Milliband is appointed Chancellor Apparently, Burnham is cooling on that idea. Probably because he knows he doesn’t now need Milliband’s support to be PM. Hopefully, we’ll see more of the likes of John Healey and Al Carns and less Milliband and Lammy. I won’t hold my breath though. 1
hypochondriac Posted June 21 Posted June 21 So now that Starmer appears to be on his way out, I think we can safely say that the new broom did not sweep clean. What will the bloke be remembered for? Chagos? Winter fuel allowance? Southport? Assisted suicide? Closing private schools? Inheritance tax on farmers? Getting rid of jury trials? Prosecuting veterans? Grooming gangs? 3
AlexLaw76 Posted June 21 Posted June 21 2 minutes ago, hypochondriac said: So now that Starmer appears to be on his way out, I think we can safely say that the new broom did not sweep clean. What will the bloke be remembered for? Chagos? Winter fuel allowance? Southport? Assisted suicide? Closing private schools? Inheritance tax on farmers? Getting rid of jury trials? Prosecuting veterans? Grooming gangs? He will go hard on Breakfast clubs..... I doubt though, he will mention "smashing the gangs" 1
Challenger Posted June 21 Posted June 21 Like the seemingly endless list of new brooms before it, this one failed to do it's job as well. Next. 1
hypochondriac Posted June 21 Posted June 21 15 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said: He will go hard on Breakfast clubs..... I doubt though, he will mention "smashing the gangs" He will go all out on digital ID in the next few months to try to secure a "legacy".
badgerx16 Posted June 21 Posted June 21 58 minutes ago, Challenger said: Like the seemingly endless list of new brooms before it, this one failed to do it's job as well. Next. Maybe we need to stop utilising brooms and employ a vacuum cleaner.
Lord Duckhunter Posted June 21 Posted June 21 Trump announcing he’s going before official announcement. Ends his premiership as it started. Shambles, can’t even resign properly.
badgerx16 Posted June 21 Posted June 21 46 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said: Trump announcing he’s going before official announcement. Ends his premiership as it started. Shambles, can’t even resign properly. That cunt should focus more on trying to sort out his own many failures. 3
Lord Duckhunter Posted June 21 Posted June 21 (edited) The Ginger Growler 24/10/2024 “Rishi Sunak has been crowned by Tory MPs. It’s a coronation not an election. He has no mandate and the British people have had no say. #GeneralElectionNow” Edited June 21 by Lord Duckhunter
Gloucester Saint Posted June 21 Posted June 21 (edited) 21 minutes ago, badgerx16 said: That cunt should focus more on trying to sort out his own many failures. Which include: - Illegal war at the behest of his weak-chinned Zionist son-in-law and a corrupt far right government in Israel which has actually strengthened the IRG’s hand, not weakened it, costing a vast amount of money and killing thousands of civilians - Tariffs which have harmed his own economy severely and everyone else’s - Murder of his own citizens by ICE Starmer’s been a crap PM but he’s got a long way to go to plumb the depths of anywhere near the above. Edited June 21 by Gloucester Saint 1
badgerx16 Posted June 21 Posted June 21 11 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said: The Ginger Growler 24/10/2024 “Rishi Sunak has been crowned by Tory MPs. It’s a coronation not an election. He has no mandate and the British people have had no say. #GeneralElectionNow” Since 1900 there have been 12 "elected" Prime Ministers, many of whom served more than 1 term. There have been 18 "unelected" PMs, some of whom subsequently went on to win a GE mandate. 1
Lord Duckhunter Posted June 21 Posted June 21 35 minutes ago, badgerx16 said: Since 1900 there have been 12 "elected" Prime Ministers, many of whom served more than 1 term. There have been 18 "unelected" PMs, some of whom subsequently went on to win a GE mandate. What’s that got to do with anything? You either believe a change of leader should trigger a GE or you don’t. You can’t say it should when another party does it, but shouldn’t when it means you”ll get a cabinet position out of it….
badgerx16 Posted June 21 Posted June 21 7 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said: What’s that got to do with anything? You either believe a change of leader should trigger a GE or you don’t. You can’t say it should when another party does it, but shouldn’t when it means you”ll get a cabinet position out of it…. Ange was wrong in what she said, and the history reveals how much chaos such a precedent would create, we would have had nearly twice as many GEs as we actually have.
hypochondriac Posted June 21 Posted June 21 4 minutes ago, badgerx16 said: Ange was wrong in what she said, and the history reveals how much chaos such a precedent would create, we would have had nearly twice as many GEs as we actually have. Or the prime ministers wouldn't have resigned at the rate they have done. We all know why Ange said that and why she now won't repeat it despite this situation being identical.
Holmes_and_Watson Posted June 21 Posted June 21 38 minutes ago, hypochondriac said: Or the prime ministers wouldn't have resigned at the rate they have done. We all know why Ange said that and why she now won't repeat it despite this situation being identical. But...but...that would make her a hypocrite! As shocked as I am that Starmer is doing a final U-turn, I am stunned that another politician is caught being an inconsistent liar. 4 hours ago, hypochondriac said: So now that Starmer appears to be on his way out, I think we can safely say that the new broom did not sweep clean. What will the bloke be remembered for? Chagos? Winter fuel allowance? Southport? Assisted suicide? Closing private schools? Inheritance tax on farmers? Getting rid of jury trials? Prosecuting veterans? Grooming gangs? Mandelson.
hypochondriac Posted June 21 Posted June 21 4 minutes ago, Holmes_and_Watson said: But...but...that would make her a hypocrite! As shocked as I am that Starmer is doing a final U-turn, I am stunned that another politician is caught being an inconsistent liar. Mandelson. Good shout. 1
Farmer Saint Posted Sunday at 18:57 Posted Sunday at 18:57 2 hours ago, Lord Duckhunter said: What’s that got to do with anything? You either believe a change of leader should trigger a GE or you don’t. You can’t say it should when another party does it, but shouldn’t when it means you”ll get a cabinet position out of it…. Unfortunately the Tories set the precedent with a huge number of unelected leaders. 1
whelk Posted Sunday at 19:04 Posted Sunday at 19:04 5 hours ago, hypochondriac said: Chagos? Winter fuel allowance? Southport? Assisted suicide? Closing private schools? Inheritance tax on farmers? Getting rid of jury trials? Prosecuting veterans? Grooming gangs? What the fuck are you on about? Someone’s had too much social media 1
hypochondriac Posted Sunday at 19:35 Posted Sunday at 19:35 29 minutes ago, whelk said: What the fuck are you on about? Someone’s had too much social media Odd response. It's not some conspiracy to suggest that Starmer and his government have been involved with all of those things to a lesser or greater extent. Nothing to do with social media.
hypochondriac Posted Sunday at 19:35 Posted Sunday at 19:35 37 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said: Unfortunately the Tories set the precedent with a huge number of unelected leaders. I though Labour held themselves to a higher standard. They like to think they do anyway.
Lord Duckhunter Posted Sunday at 20:07 Posted Sunday at 20:07 Wilson to Callaghan, Blair to Brown. 25 minutes ago, hypochondriac said: I though Labour held themselves to a higher standard. They like to think they do anyway. They’re exactly the same. The last 2 labour Governments changed leader without an election, now this one will. Personally, I don’t think they should, that’s not our system (although “”our Andy” will be well advised to do so,before he becomes unpopular). But I’m consistent, Labour politicians, and no doubt the Soggys of this world aren’t. The Ginger Growler calling out Sunak, but then joining Our Andy’s cabinet sums her, and the lot of them, up. 2
Farmer Saint Posted Sunday at 20:20 Posted Sunday at 20:20 43 minutes ago, hypochondriac said: I though Labour held themselves to a higher standard. They like to think they do anyway. Why do you think that?
iansums Posted Sunday at 20:23 Posted Sunday at 20:23 4 hours ago, Gloucester Saint said: Which include: - Illegal war at the behest of his weak-chinned Zionist son-in-law and a corrupt far right government in Israel which has actually strengthened the IRG’s hand, not weakened it, costing a vast amount of money and killing thousands of civilians - Tariffs which have harmed his own economy severely and everyone else’s - Murder of his own citizens by ICE Starmer’s been a crap PM but he’s got a long way to go to plumb the depths of anywhere near the above. There’s another thread for this mate
iansums Posted Sunday at 20:26 Posted Sunday at 20:26 18 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said: Wilson to Callaghan, Blair to Brown. They’re exactly the same. The last 2 labour Governments changed leader without an election, now this one will. Personally, I don’t think they should, that’s not our system (although “”our Andy” will be well advised to do so,before he becomes unpopular). But I’m consistent, Labour politicians, and no doubt the Soggys of this world aren’t. The Ginger Growler calling out Sunak, but then joining Our Andy’s cabinet sums her, and the lot of them, up. It’s happened under both Tory and Labour governments, it’s acceptable under our system, let’s just accept it.
hypochondriac Posted Sunday at 21:12 Posted Sunday at 21:12 51 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said: Why do you think that? Because many of their MPs made a huge deal out of it before and how they were going to do things differently.
The Kraken Posted Sunday at 21:22 Posted Sunday at 21:22 45 minutes ago, iansums said: It’s happened under both Tory and Labour governments, it’s acceptable under our system, let’s just accept it. I don’t like it in the slightest, but I don’t know what the answer is. In an ideal world, a re run of the election, but that’s just not practical or even a good idea in so many circumstances. I was first put off with the idea of it with Blair/Brown agreement. Speculation about it existed for years before it finally happened, I thought the whole thing looked extremely grubby and made Brown look weak IMO. Theresa May called an early election, and Boris Johnson did the same. The less said about Liz Truss the better, and by the time Sunak got his hands on it, the Tory leadership had become a complete farce. So, yeah, it’s a definite weakness when a PM leaves early or gets ousted. As much as people can say that the UK votes for a local MP, the prospective PMs for each party are an enormously contributory justification for voting one way or the other. But, yeah, dunno what the solution is that’s different to what it is now. 2
AlexLaw76 Posted Monday at 06:01 Posted Monday at 06:01 On 16/07/2024 at 08:55, sadoldgit said: Now that the GE is done and dusted it is time for a new political thread. Hopefully we can get back to grey, boring politics again after the crazy, psycho dramas of the last few years. Starmer’s Labour have certainly hit the ground running but it doesn’t look like they will be given much of a honeymoon period. A nod to the opening post on this thread. Who would have thought that Starmer (AKA, the new broom) would hold office for a significantly less time than Boris... 🤪 What a woeful PM Starmer has been. I can't see Burnham being much better (after the Burnham bounce), he will still have to cater for some right odd-balls (Milliband, for example).
Osvaldorama Posted Monday at 07:03 Posted Monday at 07:03 Gone already? But I was assured he’s doing a fantastic job? 1
pingpong Posted Monday at 07:09 Posted Monday at 07:09 Stats wise he has been decent, with the economy slow but steady, workers rights intact, NHS waiting lists moving in the right direction, immigration down, deportations up, Iran well dealt with, and in contrast to the last 3 pms before him, he hasn't killed 200,000 people, beaten his wife, had any affairs, hasn't tanked the economy or made us a laughing stock, insulted any grieving mothers in pmqs, hasn't left d-day commemorations before every other world leader, and hasn't lost an election. Hard to argue that he isn't the best pm we've had in a while, and he has mandate. The only thing he doesn't have is the media. 3 3
Osvaldorama Posted Monday at 07:09 Posted Monday at 07:09 Just now, pingpong said: Stats wise he has been decent, with the economy slow but steady, workers rights intact, NHS waiting lists moving in the right direction, immigration down, deportations up, Iran well dealt with, and in contrast to the last 3 pms before him, he hasn't killed 200,000 people, beaten his wife, had any affairs, hasn't tanked the economy or made us a laughing stock, insulted any grieving mothers in pmqs, hasn't left d-day commemorations before every other world leader, and hasn't lost an election. Hard to argue that he isn't the best pm we've had in a while, and he has mandate. The only thing he doesn't have is the media. LMAO
Osvaldorama Posted Monday at 07:15 Posted Monday at 07:15 “Starmer’s doing really well, it’s the country and media that’s wrong” 1
egg Posted Monday at 07:16 Posted Monday at 07:16 3 minutes ago, Osvaldorama said: LMAO Cracking response. I'll copy his comments... "economy slow but steady, workers rights intact, NHS waiting lists moving in the right direction, immigration down, deportations up, Iran well dealt with, and in contrast to the last 3 pms before him, he hasn't killed 200,000 people, beaten his wife, had any affairs, hasn't tanked the economy or made us a laughing stock, insulted any grieving mothers in pmqs, hasn't left d-day commemorations before every other world leader, and hasn't lost an election..." Point out where he's wrong... 3
Osvaldorama Posted Monday at 07:18 Posted Monday at 07:18 Just now, egg said: Cracking response. I'll copy his comments... "economy slow but steady, workers rights intact, NHS waiting lists moving in the right direction, immigration down, deportations up, Iran well dealt with, and in contrast to the last 3 pms before him, he hasn't killed 200,000 people, beaten his wife, had any affairs, hasn't tanked the economy or made us a laughing stock, insulted any grieving mothers in pmqs, hasn't left d-day commemorations before every other world leader, and hasn't lost an election..." Point out where he's wrong... Couldn’t be more wrong on all points. Horrendous on the economy, traitor to the country, embarrassed us militarily, grooming gangs , dysfunctional military, raised taxes, raised energy prices, lied non-stop Walked into a shit show by the awful Tory party and proceeded to make everything way worse lol 2
tdmickey3 Posted Monday at 07:26 Posted Monday at 07:26 1 hour ago, AlexLaw76 said: A nod to the opening post on this thread. Who would have thought that Starmer (AKA, the new broom) would hold office for a significantly less time than Boris... 🤪 What a woeful PM Starmer has been. I can't see Burnham being much better (after the Burnham bounce), he will still have to cater for some right odd-balls (Milliband, for example). Once/if we get reform we will be desperate to have those
badgerx16 Posted Monday at 07:27 Posted Monday at 07:27 7 minutes ago, Osvaldorama said: Couldn’t be more wrong on all points. Horrendous on the economy, traitor to the country, embarrassed us militarily, grooming gangs , dysfunctional military, raised taxes, raised energy prices, lied non-stop Walked into a shit show by the awful Tory party and proceeded to make everything way worse lol You look at the World from a seriously skewed perspective. 3
Osvaldorama Posted Monday at 07:51 Posted Monday at 07:51 23 minutes ago, badgerx16 said: You look at the World from a seriously skewed perspective. Then why is he resigning? If he’s doing such a fantastic job? Have you considered that it’s actually your perspective that is skewed
badgerx16 Posted Monday at 07:55 Posted Monday at 07:55 1 minute ago, Osvaldorama said: Then why is he resigning? If he’s doing such a fantastic job? Have you considered that it’s actually your perspective that is skewed I never said he was doing a good job, in fact my assessment a couple of months ago was "disappointing". However, I do not think he has "proceeded to make everything way worse", that is demonstrably untrue. 1
Osvaldorama Posted Monday at 07:56 Posted Monday at 07:56 The UK borrowed almost as much in May 2026 alone (£23.3bn), as it did during the entire 2018/19 fiscal year (£23.5bn). We are not so much sleepwalking as sprinting into a fiscal crisis, and yet people on here still claim he is doing well on the economy 🤣🤣 1
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