Solving the Immigration Problem

[badgerx16]

1 minute ago, Osvaldorama said:

Im glad that you take the word lefty as offensive. 

I don't, but assume that you think it is.

I'm proud to be to the left of centre on the political spectrum on most subjexts.

Edited 3 hours ago by badgerx16

[Turkish]

1 hour ago, egg said:

There wasn't a physical attack on the RNLI folk. Correct. However, there were threats and unnecessary comments of traitor etc. 

The protest was not peaceful. People do not get injured, and items damaged, in peaceful protests. Sure, it wasn't a riot, but don't kid yourself it was peaceful. 

Depends on how you measure it

The BLM Protests with over 200 arrests was described as largely peaceful

The Notting hill Carnival with over 600 arrests is described as a great family day out

So by that measure this is safer than a village fate. 

[revolution saint]

2 minutes ago, Osvaldorama said:

And the organisers mum has had to go into hiding because the mainstream media doxxed her home address. 
 

Therefore proving that masks are necessary because the state is now far-left fascist. 

Yeah, that's a bit of an oxymoron and feels like you've just flung a few of words together.

[Gloucester Saint]

12 minutes ago, Turkish said:

Depends on how you measure it

The BLM Protests with over 200 arrests was described as largely peaceful

The Notting hill Carnival with over 600 arrests is described as a great family day out

So by that measure this is safer than a village fate. 

Not by most people it isn’t re: Notting Hill.

There might be a sigh of relief that there aren’t multiple murders there in a given year but I wouldn’t want to attend it any more than being amongst Thommo, Ossie and his balaclava mates in Portsmouth.

I didn’t consider hurling Colston’s statue into Bristol’s harbour to be peaceful either.

[Sheaf Saint]

9 minutes ago, Osvaldorama said:

And the organisers mum has had to go into hiding because the mainstream media doxxed her home address. 
 

Therefore proving that masks are necessary because the state is now far-left fascist. 

So you don't see anything wrong with falsely doxxing RNLI volunteers and calling them traitors, but you do think that the Daily Mail publishing the name of his roofing company, the registered address of which is already a matter of public record, is unacceptable and proves that the state is now far-left fascist?

[egg]

23 minutes ago, Turkish said:

Depends on how you measure it

The BLM Protests with over 200 arrests was described as largely peaceful

The Notting hill Carnival with over 600 arrests is described as a great family day out

So by that measure this is safer than a village fate. 

Comparisons and false comparisons aren't needed to view something objectively, and through the eyes of decency or common sense. 

A protest where public servants are hurt, and property is damaged, could only be described as "peaceful" by someone seeking to justify that kind of behaviour as acceptable. 

[Turkish]

1 minute ago, egg said:

Comparisons and false comparisons aren't needed to view something objectively, and through the eyes of decency or common sense. 

A protest where public servants are hurt, and property is damaged, could only be described as "peaceful" by someone seeking to justify that kind of behaviour as acceptable. 

Agreed, which is why the BLM protests were not peaceful and neither is the Notting Hill carnival yet the narrative is very different from those who are meant to view and report things objectively and through the eyes of decency and common sense. 

[Turkish]

14 minutes ago, Gloucester Saint said:

Not by most people it isn’t re: Notting Hill.

There might be a sigh of relief that there aren’t multiple murders there in a given year but I wouldn’t want to attend it any more than being amongst Thommo, Ossie and his balaclava mates in Portsmouth.

I didn’t consider hurling Colston’s statue into Bristol’s harbour to be peaceful either.

But as i said to Egg, the narative is very different.

[AlexLaw76]

2 minutes ago, Turkish said:

But as i said to Egg, the narative is very different.

The BLM protest(s). Large scale disorder and violence was literally beamed live on the news whilst simultaneously being told it was all largely peaceful... It was absolutely ridiculous

[egg]

4 minutes ago, Turkish said:

Agreed, which is why the BLM protests were not peaceful and neither is the Notting Hill carnival yet the narrative is very different from those who are meant to view and report things objectively and through the eyes of decency and common sense. 

You can't compare a carnival with pockets of incidents with a protest which is essentially an incident in its own right. It's a false equivalence. 

[Turkish]

Just now, AlexLaw76 said:

The BLM protest(s). Large scale disorder and violence was literally beamed live on the news whilst simultaneously being told it was all largely peaceful... It was absolutely ridiculous

Some people even denied there was any disorder whatsoever, then when they couldn't deny it any further, because it was all over the news and there were over 200 arrests, they said well it doesnt matter it's all for a good cause 😂

Using that metric then surely as we're all concerned about uncontrolled immigration, this was for a good cause?

[Turkish]

1 minute ago, egg said:

You can't compare a carnival with pockets of incidents with a protest which is essentially an incident in its own right. It's a false equivalence. 

BLM was a protest which was described as "largely peaceful" there were 200+ arrests. 

[egg]

2 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

The BLM protest(s). Large scale disorder and violence was literally beamed live on the news whilst simultaneously being told it was all largely peaceful... It was absolutely ridiculous

Yep. That was not a peaceful. 

I think there's a kind of "it could have been worse, so let's call it peaceful" with a PC approach being taken. 

Call a shovel a shovel, whoever holds it. 

[egg]

1 minute ago, Turkish said:

BLM was a protest which was described as "largely peaceful" there were 200+ arrests. 

Our posts crossed mate. Yep, not as bad as it could have been, so toned down. That said, it wasn't described as peaceful, just mostly. 

[Turkish]

3 minutes ago, egg said:

Our posts crossed mate. Yep, not as bad as it could have been, so toned down. That said, it wasn't described as peaceful, just mostly. 

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/jun/03/thousands-gather-in-london-for-george-floyd-protest

"overwhelmingly peaceful" according to the Guardian.

 

Not quite what this video portrays

https://news.sky.com/story/george-floyd-violence-breaks-out-at-anti-racism-protest-in-london-12001942

 

Edited 2 hours ago by Turkish

[egg]

Just now, Turkish said:

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/jun/03/thousands-gather-in-london-for-george-floyd-protest

"overwhelmingly peaceful" according to the Guardian.

So not described as peaceful! 

Notting Hill can fairly be described as mostly peaceful. 

 

[Turkish]

Just now, egg said:

So not described as peaceful! 

Notting Hill can fairly be described as mostly peaceful. 

 

Yep not just peaceful, overwhelmingly peaceful!!

[Gloucester Saint]

25 minutes ago, Turkish said:

But as i said to Egg, the narative is very different.

From the likes of the Guardian who have their agenda.

Whereas the Telegraph have theirs on the weekend’s disorder. 

I call it as I see it/experience it and I wouldn’t want to be near any of it. There isn’t a side for me, destroying property is exactly that whether it’s BLM throwing statues into water, an anarchist defacing Churchill’s statue, someone pissing on the Cenotaph or a balaclava wanker kicking a Southsea resident’s wing mirror off. Or Pompey fans smashing up Goldsmith Ave after they beat us in 2004.

Whatever the ideology, or claimed ideology, thuggery is thuggery. 

[whelk]

18 minutes ago, Turkish said:

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/jun/03/thousands-gather-in-london-for-george-floyd-protest

"overwhelmingly peaceful" according to the Guardian.

 

Not quite what this video portrays

https://news.sky.com/story/george-floyd-violence-breaks-out-at-anti-racism-protest-in-london-12001942

 

Those look like different dates. Pretty sure the first big one in London did go pretty much without trouble and it flared up subsequently at others.

[badgerx16]

As a proportion of those taking part, how few arrests merit a protest being deemed "peaceful", how many more would modify this to "mostlly" peaceful or "largely" so ?

[Farmer Saint]

2 hours ago, Osvaldorama said:

Shock, losing the debate so resorting to insults. 
 

Typical lefty’s 

2 hours ago, Farmer Saint said:

What debate is that? You've not replied to my question.

No, didn't think so.

[egg]

12 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

As a proportion of those taking part, how few arrests merit a protest being deemed "peaceful", how many more would modify this to "mostlly" peaceful or "largely" so ?

Arrests aren't a barometer. What takes place is. 

[badgerx16]

3 minutes ago, egg said:

Arrests aren't a barometer. What takes place is. 

But that is the metric being quoted.

[egg]

1 minute ago, badgerx16 said:

But that is the metric being quoted.

Indeed. 

I'm sure many people have had nights out, or days at football back in the day, that weren't entirely peaceful, but everyone avoided getting nicked. Calling them peaceful would be nonsense. 

[Farmer Saint]

1 hour ago, Gloucester Saint said:

Not by most people it isn’t re: Notting Hill.

There might be a sigh of relief that there aren’t multiple murders there in a given year but I wouldn’t want to attend it any more than being amongst Thommo, Ossie and his balaclava mates in Portsmouth.

I didn’t consider hurling Colston’s statue into Bristol’s harbour to be peaceful either.

Yeah, we discussed this last week, don't think people on here count those as particularly peaceful or safe at times.

Edited 1 hour ago by Farmer Saint

[rallyboy]

We're being invaded by men of fighting age armed with bats and wearing knuckle dusters, the south coast is under attack, there were 140 boats the other night, we're at war, attack the police!  

 

 

Hang on, the invaders swinging the bats, are they wearing knuckle dusters or batting gloves?...

#fuckwits

[Osvaldorama]

44 minutes ago, rallyboy said:

We're being invaded by men of fighting age armed with bats and wearing knuckle dusters, the south coast is under attack, there were 140 boats the other night, we're at war, attack the police!  

 

 

Hang on, the invaders swinging the bats, are they wearing knuckle dusters or batting gloves?...

#fuckwits

And this just shows that you don’t actually have a clue what you’re talking about. 

Because the protest was peaceful, all they did was block the coaches and stand in the water. Then dispersed as soon as the police got a dispersal order at 4am(ish). 
 

Literally all the other talk of thuggery etc is media amplification and you are all buying it hook, line and sinker 

[Turkish]

4 minutes ago, Osvaldorama said:

And this just shows that you don’t actually have a clue what you’re talking about. 

Because the protest was peaceful, all they did was block the coaches and stand in the water. Then dispersed as soon as the police got a dispersal order at 4am(ish). 
 

Literally all the other talk of thuggery etc is media amplification and you are all buying it hook, line and sinker 

I did see one report that claimed a protester threw a brick at the bus smashing a window, when its also being reported that the bus collied with a bus stop. This is the thing there is so much propaganda people will believe whichever one supports their bias.