The Reform Thread

[The Kraken]

2 hours ago, whelk said:

I think he just trawls the internet for depressing news, comes here, reads next to nothing and posts his links. 

I think he’s just a fucking idiot tbf.

But both things can be true of course.

[Gloucester Saint]

15 hours ago, whelk said:

TBF can’t blame the Councillors for that. Seems mental unless they have disillusioned staff

Just ironic that they are apparently so keen to save money but waste it by their council being disorganised. 

[whelk]

9 minutes ago, Gloucester Saint said:

Just ironic that they are apparently so keen to save money but waste it by their council being disorganised. 

Anderson just pedalling the bs that they have saved 300 million or something at PMQs. Should be bringing that council tax down massively then?

Edited November 19 by whelk

[Gloucester Saint]

2 minutes ago, whelk said:

Anderson just pedalling the bs that they have saved 300 million or something at PMQs. Should be bringing that council tax down massively then?

They’ll be lucky to bring it down by 30p…

[tdmickey3]

23 minutes ago, whelk said:

Anderson just pedalling the bs that they have saved 300 million or something at PMQs. Should be bringing that council tax down massively then?

He really is a utter prick and the fact that virtually everyone else in the chamber was laughing at him tells you how he is viewed.

Even the speaker suggested he was doing stand up comedy

[Gloucester Saint]

5 hours ago, tdmickey3 said:

He really is a utter prick and the fact that virtually everyone else in the chamber was laughing at him tells you how he is viewed.

Even the speaker suggested he was doing stand up comedy

If you wanted to imagine what a Brexit voter in JDWs every day looked like in the E Midlands/North and North East it would look and sound very much like Lee Anderson.

Edited November 19 by Gloucester Saint

[sadoldgit]

Nigel, as a kid, racist? Surely not!

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2025/nov/19/nigel-farage-allegations-racist-behaviour-school

[sadoldgit]

Yet another dodgy Reformer.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2025/nov/19/reform-uk-councillor-suspended-over-whatsapp-group-featuring-extremist-posts

[benjii]

Farage up to his neck in murk.

When Brexit-mongs like our part-time resident misanthrope won their vote, to "take back control", they were voting for a pan-national, criminal funded, cabal of scoundrels.

[sadoldgit]

Further embarrassment for Farage and Reform.

https://www.ft.com/content/99598829-e739-4661-9381-c8d82fa31e8e

[Turkish]

4 minutes ago, sadoldgit said:

Further embarrassment for Farage and Reform.

https://www.ft.com/content/99598829-e739-4661-9381-c8d82fa31e8e

have you managed to finish wiping the jizz off your screen from reading this?

[Gloucester Saint]

5 hours ago, Turkish said:

have you managed to finish wiping the jizz off your screen from reading this?

#pornromneystyle

 

[sadoldgit]

Reform playing fast and loose with the facts? Surely not!

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/reform-uk-claim-to-have-saved-331m-at-english-councils-but-do-the-numbers-stack-up/ar-AA1R2Pgq?cvid=cbf078078d924ffe95eb22bc7ffedd84&ocid=hpmsn

[iansums]

On 19/11/2025 at 20:04, sadoldgit said:

Nigel, as a kid, racist? Surely not!

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2025/nov/19/nigel-farage-allegations-racist-behaviour-school

You come out with some horrendous shit now, Christ knows what you must have said when you were a teenager.

[Turkish]

On 18/11/2025 at 21:41, The Kraken said:

I think he’s just a fucking idiot tbf.

But both things can be true of course.

+1

[sadoldgit]

Never directly, so indirectly then Nigel?

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2025/nov/24/nigel-farage-responds-to-racism-claims-saying-he-never-tried-to-hurt-anybody

Given his history of what he has said as an adult, he is guilty as hell of doing those things when younger. Of course he can’t come clean and admit it, but it is a giveaway when he says that he did stupid things as a kid. His issue is that he didn’t grow out of it and still does it now. And people still vote for this person.
 

[benjii]

Net migration down two thirds in the last year.

Who needs Reform when you've got Labour!

[swannymere]

 Have the Russian infil-trators on here revealed themselves yet?

[sadoldgit]

1 hour ago, benjii said:

Net migration down two thirds in the last year.

Who needs Reform when you've got Labour!

Not great news though. Apparently for every 100,000 drop in migrants (the vast majority come to work or study) it cost us £7 billion in lost revenue (taxes etc). Not that Farage, Tice and chums will tell you that.

[whelk]

41 minutes ago, sadoldgit said:

Not great news though. Apparently for every 100,000 drop in migrants (the vast majority come to work or study) it cost us £7 billion in lost revenue (taxes etc). Not that Farage, Tice and chums will tell you that.

Do you think we should be doing a leaflet campaign in Syria and Afghanistan to encourage more to come over?

[sadoldgit]

2 minutes ago, whelk said:

Do you think we should be doing a leaflet campaign in Syria and Afghanistan to encourage more to come over?

If you like. But as you probably understand, most came from elsewhere, especially the EU.

I bet those people who supported us when the army was there a few years ago and who have been stuck there under the Taliban would love to meet you.

By the way, I went to my local hospital yesterday and the vast majority of the staff had brown skin. They were all very helpful and very professional, as were the staff with white skin. I didn’t bother to ask anybody where they came from.

[ecuk268]

On 25/11/2025 at 09:20, sadoldgit said:

Never directly, so indirectly then Nigel?

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2025/nov/24/nigel-farage-responds-to-racism-claims-saying-he-never-tried-to-hurt-anybody

Given his history of what he has said as an adult, he is guilty as hell of doing those things when younger. Of course he can’t come clean and admit it, but it is a giveaway when he says that he did stupid things as a kid. His issue is that he didn’t grow out of it and still does it now. And people still vote for this person.
 

 

[sadoldgit]

It never ceases to amaze me that, despite knowing what he was like as a young man and is still like today, people still support this odious excuse of a human being. Like Trump, he is only out for himself and what is in it for him. He attracts similar people like flies to a dung heap meanwhile gullible people swallow his guff because he knows exactly what they want to hear. 
Fair play to the grifter though, after years of trying to get various scummy parties elected he has found a potential winning formula. The seeds that he has been sowing for years are finally coming to fruition. He can now say things that were unacceptable years ago and get rounds of applause and votes from the hard of thinking. Trump has opened the door, after all, if a (once) great country like the USA can elect a narcissistic, racist, sociopathic, misogynistic, money grabbing, lying, disingenuous, moronic, imbecilic grifter to the highest office, why can’t we?

[whelk]

1 hour ago, sadoldgit said:

If you like. But as you probably understand, most came from elsewhere, especially the EU.

I bet those people who supported us when the army was there a few years ago and who have been stuck there under the Taliban would love to meet you.

By the way, I went to my local hospital yesterday and the vast majority of the staff had brown skin. They were all very helpful and very professional, as were the staff with white skin. I didn’t bother to ask anybody where they came from.

Did you get stabbed or blown up by the brown ones?

Great story, might want to consider selling to the papers to serialise?

[sadoldgit]

55 minutes ago, whelk said:

Did you get stabbed or blown up by the brown ones?

Great story, might want to consider selling to the papers to serialise?

No, not yet Whelk. But you will be the first to hear about if I do! That is assuming they are not all deported if Reform get in.

[Turkish]

On 25/11/2025 at 09:20, sadoldgit said:

Never directly, so indirectly then Nigel?

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2025/nov/24/nigel-farage-responds-to-racism-claims-saying-he-never-tried-to-hurt-anybody

Given his history of what he has said as an adult, he is guilty as hell of doing those things when younger. Of course he can’t come clean and admit it, but it is a giveaway when he says that he did stupid things as a kid. His issue is that he didn’t grow out of it and still does it now. And people still vote for this person.
 

Talking of people with a questionable history……

[Weston Super Saint]

7 hours ago, sadoldgit said:

If you like. But as you probably understand, most came from elsewhere, especially the EU.

 

As you probably understand (lol), the drop in migrants being referred to is because the Tories b-anned foreign students from bringing their families with them who were previously allowed to work on a dependent's visa.  But you knew that of course didn't you - unless the news is another source you don't bother reading.

Not to mention that the overwhelming majority of those student migrants and their families came from either the African or Asian continents, not the EU.

[egg]

Rupert Lowe's vision. Summary for those who CBA to read it all - be like Trump. 

"What Reeves should announce today, but obviously won’t.

Everything costs more. Food, rent, mortgages, insurance, childcare, energy, basic goods, services, the weekly shop, a pint. Britain is getting poorer, faster.

People feel it, and they’re right. Inflation has eaten us alive. Wages wiped out. Savings eroded. Families poorer. Britain weaker.

We are getting ripped off. Why?

Because Britain is addicted to the size of its own state.

Here’s what Reeves should say.

Tax cuts. Lots of tax cuts.

- Raise the personal allowance dramatically - let people keep the first £20,000 they earn, minimum. No tax. It will cost, but the savings it will produce from encouraging people back into work will be vast,
- Slash Income Tax/National Insurance, especially on middle-earners who’ve been squeezed the hardest. This is uncomplicated, Rachel. REWARD HARD WORK.
- Remove the stealth taxes they all pretend don’t exist - fiscal drag and frozen thresholds which quietly rob the British people every year.
- Give overseas skilled British workers vast tax benefits to relocate their tax revenue and skills back to Britain. Bring them home.
- Cut back VAT, reduce fuel duty, cut alcohol duty, none of this sugar tax bullshit.
- Stamp duty, gone for British families. Let’s get the property market moving.
- Licence fee, scrapped. On the bonfire. Day one. More cash in the pocket for families.

Unleash British business

- Cut Corporation Tax to the lowest rate in Europe. Undercut them. Compete. Win.
- Push back dividend thresholds and taxes. If people are successful, ENCOURAGE IT.
- Abolish Business Rates for small firms. Bring our high streets back. Turkish barber/vape shop fraud crackdown too - let's root out the criminals.
- Slash Employers’ National Insurance - the single biggest reason small firms won’t hire more staff. OBVIOUSLY. We need to get that right down. Non-negotiable.
- Supercharge deregulation, especially for small businesses. A redtape bonfire visible from space. Let it burn.
- End the HR-ification of Britain. Bosses should be able to sack people, and they’ll end up actually hiring more because of that.
- Scrap IR35, immediately. Leave people to interface between themselves.
- Double the VAT threshold, possibly more. Overnight, vast growth will be unleashed from businesses hovering just under £90k. The figures show it already!
- Super-deductions for investment, including capital allowances and R&D incentives. Encourage people to invest and they will! 
- Get police policing, and restoring some confidence for investment. Make Britain safer, and that will make Britain richer.

A brutal restructuring of the welfare state. And I mean brutal.

- No benefits for foreign nationals. If you arrive here, you contribute. If you’re here and you don’t? You leave. Billions saved, with one stroke.
- Mandatory work requirements for all those able to work. If you want support from taxpayers, you must give something back. A fair time to search for a job, but then you’re put to work. Picking litter or whatever else.
- Full disability fraud crackdown using data-matching and HMRC-style enforcement. Weed out the piss-takers.
- A cap on total household benefit claims - it should never pay more to stay home than to work. Never. 

Drive for self-sufficiency.

- Domestic energy production on a huge scale, like we’ve never seen before. Drive that cost of energy down. Fracking. North Sea extraction. New nuclear. Gas storage. Cheap dependable energy = lower prices for everything. It’s that simple.
- Food security, with domestic output boosted and less reliance on foreign supply chains.
- Support British farming. Scrap the family farming tax. Use the public sector’s purchasing power to BUY BRITISH from our farmers. End dependency. Boost farming apprenticeships.
- A national infrastructure plan focused on logistics, ports, roads, and freight efficiency. The cheaper it is to produce and transport things, the lower prices fall. Places like Great Yarmouth with our fantastic port will boom. Stop building roads in Guyana, and use that money in Britain.

A robust plan to deal with the cancer of inflation.

- Immediate ban on money-printing (QE) without explicit Parliamentary approval. No more splurges by the Bank of England and that toad Bailey. 
- Slash public spending - genuine far-reaching cuts. Nobody is safe. All departments.
- Foreign aid. Gone. Entirely. Billions saved overnight.
- Freeze all non-essential recruitment across the entire public sector (excluding front-line staff). A workforce pause, until inflation is under control. Then follows strict limits.
- A structured debt-repayment schedule, legally binding, to get those vast billion debt-interest payments falling. If you want some awful perspective - we now spend more on debt interest than on defence. No serious country on earth behaves like this. Britain does. It’s like some third world African tinpot dictatorship approach to economic affairs.
- We need to cut the debt, not just the deficit. 
- Public sector pension liability - all off balance sheet. Needs a total overhaul as state employees are radically cut.

Stop importing poverty, crime and sex pests.

- Shut down all illegal migration with mass deportations, rapid removals, third-country processing, and no exceptions. Billions saved on abolishing asylum and related costs.
- Cut legal migration to net-negative, especially low-wage migration that undercuts British workers.
- Remove those who are a drain. If they’re claiming benefits, living in social housing, unable to speak English, refusing to contribute? Thanks, but your presence is no longer required. Bye.
- Deport foreign sex pests and criminals. Make our towns safe again. Watch how investment flows back into our dying high streets.

We must urgently cut back the bankrupt British state. Growth only comes from the following things.

A smaller state. Lower taxes. More people working. Fewer people scrounging. Cheaper energy. Stronger borders. Mass deportations. Actual production.

That is it. Reeves sadly does not have the balls to do what is necessary. 

Britain needs an economic revolution".

[sadoldgit]

It comes to something when you are too far right for Reform.

[Winnersaint]

13 hours ago, egg said:

Public sector pension liability - all off balance sheet. Needs a total overhaul as state employees are radically cut.

Existing or future liabilities?

[sadoldgit]

More dregs from the Tory Party jumping ship

https://www.independent.co.uk/bulletin/news/reform-conservative-defect-jonathan-gullis-b2875581.html#

[Gloucester Saint]

Reform are presenting it as a coup - but like Mad Nads joining them, Badenoch will be fairly satisfied at seeing three more ERG nutcases fuck off and weaken Reform. In Lia Nici’s case, she’s a plastic Brexiteer and as Reform finished second in the 2024 GE in Grimsby she believes she can get her seat back. Gullis is one of the thickest human beings I’ve ever seen, how he was allowed to be a teacher I’ll never understand. 

Chris Green I know less about, has done some good charity fundraising for women’s refuges so well done there, maybe needs to be a bit more careful on what he retweets e.g. antisemetic poems. A vaccine sceptic so ideal for Reform’s medical quackery.

End of the Uniparty? Not with Reform, ERG Mk2.

Edited yesterday at 12:47 by Gloucester Saint

[JohnnyShearer2.0]

On 28/11/2025 at 07:46, egg said:

Rupert Lowe's vision. Summary for those who CBA to read it all - be like Trump. 

"What Reeves should announce today, but obviously won’t.

Everything costs more. Food, rent, mortgages, insurance, childcare, energy, basic goods, services, the weekly shop, a pint. Britain is getting poorer, faster.

People feel it, and they’re right. Inflation has eaten us alive. Wages wiped out. Savings eroded. Families poorer. Britain weaker.

We are getting ripped off. Why?

Because Britain is addicted to the size of its own state.

Here’s what Reeves should say.

Tax cuts. Lots of tax cuts.

- Raise the personal allowance dramatically - let people keep the first £20,000 they earn, minimum. No tax. It will cost, but the savings it will produce from encouraging people back into work will be vast,
- Slash Income Tax/National Insurance, especially on middle-earners who’ve been squeezed the hardest. This is uncomplicated, Rachel. REWARD HARD WORK.
- Remove the stealth taxes they all pretend don’t exist - fiscal drag and frozen thresholds which quietly rob the British people every year.
- Give overseas skilled British workers vast tax benefits to relocate their tax revenue and skills back to Britain. Bring them home.
- Cut back VAT, reduce fuel duty, cut alcohol duty, none of this sugar tax bullshit.
- Stamp duty, gone for British families. Let’s get the property market moving.
- Licence fee, scrapped. On the bonfire. Day one. More cash in the pocket for families.

Unleash British business

- Cut Corporation Tax to the lowest rate in Europe. Undercut them. Compete. Win.
- Push back dividend thresholds and taxes. If people are successful, ENCOURAGE IT.
- Abolish Business Rates for small firms. Bring our high streets back. Turkish barber/vape shop fraud crackdown too - let's root out the criminals.
- Slash Employers’ National Insurance - the single biggest reason small firms won’t hire more staff. OBVIOUSLY. We need to get that right down. Non-negotiable.
- Supercharge deregulation, especially for small businesses. A redtape bonfire visible from space. Let it burn.
- End the HR-ification of Britain. Bosses should be able to sack people, and they’ll end up actually hiring more because of that.
- Scrap IR35, immediately. Leave people to interface between themselves.
- Double the VAT threshold, possibly more. Overnight, vast growth will be unleashed from businesses hovering just under £90k. The figures show it already!
- Super-deductions for investment, including capital allowances and R&D incentives. Encourage people to invest and they will! 
- Get police policing, and restoring some confidence for investment. Make Britain safer, and that will make Britain richer.

A brutal restructuring of the welfare state. And I mean brutal.

- No benefits for foreign nationals. If you arrive here, you contribute. If you’re here and you don’t? You leave. Billions saved, with one stroke.
- Mandatory work requirements for all those able to work. If you want support from taxpayers, you must give something back. A fair time to search for a job, but then you’re put to work. Picking litter or whatever else.
- Full disability fraud crackdown using data-matching and HMRC-style enforcement. Weed out the piss-takers.
- A cap on total household benefit claims - it should never pay more to stay home than to work. Never. 

Drive for self-sufficiency.

- Domestic energy production on a huge scale, like we’ve never seen before. Drive that cost of energy down. Fracking. North Sea extraction. New nuclear. Gas storage. Cheap dependable energy = lower prices for everything. It’s that simple.
- Food security, with domestic output boosted and less reliance on foreign supply chains.
- Support British farming. Scrap the family farming tax. Use the public sector’s purchasing power to BUY BRITISH from our farmers. End dependency. Boost farming apprenticeships.
- A national infrastructure plan focused on logistics, ports, roads, and freight efficiency. The cheaper it is to produce and transport things, the lower prices fall. Places like Great Yarmouth with our fantastic port will boom. Stop building roads in Guyana, and use that money in Britain.

A robust plan to deal with the cancer of inflation.

- Immediate ban on money-printing (QE) without explicit Parliamentary approval. No more splurges by the Bank of England and that toad Bailey. 
- Slash public spending - genuine far-reaching cuts. Nobody is safe. All departments.
- Foreign aid. Gone. Entirely. Billions saved overnight.
- Freeze all non-essential recruitment across the entire public sector (excluding front-line staff). A workforce pause, until inflation is under control. Then follows strict limits.
- A structured debt-repayment schedule, legally binding, to get those vast billion debt-interest payments falling. If you want some awful perspective - we now spend more on debt interest than on defence. No serious country on earth behaves like this. Britain does. It’s like some third world African tinpot dictatorship approach to economic affairs.
- We need to cut the debt, not just the deficit. 
- Public sector pension liability - all off balance sheet. Needs a total overhaul as state employees are radically cut.

Stop importing poverty, crime and sex pests.

- Shut down all illegal migration with mass deportations, rapid removals, third-country processing, and no exceptions. Billions saved on abolishing asylum and related costs.
- Cut legal migration to net-negative, especially low-wage migration that undercuts British workers.
- Remove those who are a drain. If they’re claiming benefits, living in social housing, unable to speak English, refusing to contribute? Thanks, but your presence is no longer required. Bye.
- Deport foreign sex pests and criminals. Make our towns safe again. Watch how investment flows back into our dying high streets.

We must urgently cut back the bankrupt British state. Growth only comes from the following things.

A smaller state. Lower taxes. More people working. Fewer people scrounging. Cheaper energy. Stronger borders. Mass deportations. Actual production.

That is it. Reeves sadly does not have the balls to do what is necessary. 

Britain needs an economic revolution".

Its easy to say what to do. Anyone can come up with a wishlist.

I'd be interested to see if anyone has deconstructed this. 

[badgerx16]

14 minutes ago, JohnnyShearer2.0 said:

 

I'd be interested to see if anyone has deconstructed this. 

Done

[sadoldgit]

A while back Farage put out a promotional vid saying that you can’t trust a Tory. He is happy to welcome into his party people he says that we can’t trust.

[rallyboy]

Gullis - surely the end of the road for Reform as a serious option?

[badgerx16]

9 hours ago, rallyboy said:

Gullis - surely the end of the road for Reform as a serious option?

The average Reform voter won't care - Nige is good bloke, salt of the Earth, just like you and me, likes a pint, and he knows how to sort out everything.

 

Now, where's that donkey with the Reform rosette ?

[sadoldgit]

11 hours ago, rallyboy said:

Gullis - surely the end of the road for Reform as a serious option?

I live in hope that the Great British Public have been pushing Reform up the polls as a protest vote and will vote differently at the next GE. Then again, millions of American voted for the non serious option, so who knows?

[Sir Ralph]

17 minutes ago, sadoldgit said:

I live in hope that the Great British Public have been pushing Reform up the polls as a protest vote and will vote differently at the next GE. Then again, millions of American voted for the non serious option, so who knows?

So who is actually a serious option for the next GE at the moment? You seem to be saying Reform arent a serious option so you must have someone in mind who is?

Personally, at the moment, I hope the Tories get in as part of the majority of a Coalition with Reform to keep the Tories 'true'.

Edited 2 hours ago by Sir Ralph

[The Kraken]

Least surprising news ever.

As for the notion of a return to a Tory party being pushed around by ERG fuckwits, yeah sign me right up. Because that worked out so tremendously well before.

[whelk]

“a week is a long time in politics” 

[Weston Super Saint]

6 minutes ago, whelk said:

“a week is a long time in politics” 

Shorter than everyone else's isn't, just the three days per week for those in Westminster?

[sadoldgit]

42 minutes ago, Sir Ralph said:

So who is actually a serious option for the next GE at the moment? You seem to be saying Reform arent a serious option so you must have someone in mind who is?

Personally, at the moment, I hope the Tories get in as part of the majority of a Coalition with Reform to keep the Tories 'true'.

Keep the Tories “true” to what exactly? True to looking after the rich?

When I use the word “serious” I do so in the way that Logan Roy used it in Succession. I don’t see them as a serious political party. I see them as a bunch of incompetents whose only driving force is tribalism and looking after their fellow grifters. I do see them as a serious threat as things stand.

I can’t see the LibDems getting enough votes across the whole country so am pinning my hopes on a Labour/Lib Dem coalition. 

Still, there is a long way to go until the next GE so it is too early to make any meaningful judgements.
 

Edited 2 hours ago by sadoldgit

[badgerx16]

FPTP has been bad enough with the traditional 3 party split, with 4 it is totally unpredictable.

[Sir Ralph]

46 minutes ago, sadoldgit said:

Keep the Tories “true” to what exactly? True to looking after the rich?

When I use the word “serious” I do so in the way that Logan Roy used it in Succession. I don’t see them as a serious political party. I see them as a bunch of incompetents whose only driving force is tribalism and looking after their fellow grifters. I do see them as a serious threat as things stand.

I can’t see the LibDems getting enough votes across the whole country so am pinning my hopes on a Labour/Lib Dem coalition. 

Still, there is a long way to go until the next GE so it is too early to make any meaningful judgements.
 

So I am assuming that the Lib Dems and Labour are serious parties. In respect of the latter thats an interesting observation currently. Can you tell me what experience the Lib Dems have beyond what Reform currently have in terms of being in Government? Genuine question.

You have an obsession with the rich. You do realise they pay most of the tax in this country. Its also often a sign of aspiration and hard work that people have made money - aspiration is a good thing FYI. The 'rich' probably helped pay for some of the things you have received from the Government so maybe you should reflect on that, rather than bash them. 

Edited 1 hour ago by Sir Ralph

[Sir Ralph]

1 hour ago, The Kraken said:

Least surprising news ever.

As for the notion of a return to a Tory party being pushed around by ERG fuckwits, yeah sign me right up. Because that worked out so tremendously well before.

So you think the best alternative would be.........

[The Kraken]

1 minute ago, Sir Ralph said:

So you think the best alternative would be.........

There doesn’t need to be an alternative right now because the incumbent party are there and will be for another 3 years or so.  If you’re asking who I’ll vote for in 3 years time, I don’t know. I’ll probably judge Labour on their whole term, then compare that against manifestos and makeup of the other parties.

[Sir Ralph]

4 minutes ago, The Kraken said:

There doesn’t need to be an alternative right now because the incumbent party are there and will be for another 3 years or so.  If you’re asking who I’ll vote for in 3 years time, I don’t know. I’ll probably judge Labour on their whole term, then compare that against manifestos and makeup of the other parties.

Fair enough, I agree you cant make a decision now. It sounds as though you would consider Labour in the same way I mentioned the Tories / Reform coalition. However I woudnt take the piss out of you for saying you would consider voting for them based on the circus that they currently are.  So grow up a bit.

Edited 1 hour ago by Sir Ralph

[revolution saint]

1 hour ago, Sir Ralph said:

So who is actually a serious option for the next GE at the moment? You seem to be saying Reform arent a serious option so you must have someone in mind who is?

Personally, at the moment, I hope the Tories get in as part of the majority of a Coalition with Reform to keep the Tories 'true'.

Did you read the reform manifesto and their spending plans for last GE?  Made Liz Truss look like a safe pair of hands in comparison.  

[Sir Ralph]

7 minutes ago, revolution saint said:

Did you read the reform manifesto and their spending plans for last GE?  Made Liz Truss look like a safe pair of hands in comparison.  

Yes I did. I agree there is a lack of detail and I dont think they will achieve a reasonable portion of what they set out as it is too aspirational. They werent a serious GE contender last time so their next manifesto I suspect will be more realistic as it will come under more scrutiny. As I said I would prefer a Tory led coalition with Reform as a smaller part of the coalition in order to ensure the Tories maintain control but are kept on their toes and remain centre right / right in their decision making.

Edited 55 minutes ago by Sir Ralph