The Reform Thread

[The Kraken]

16 minutes ago, Turkish said:

Andrew Tate was another one for a while. That led to one of my favourite Sog moments

Aside from his weird labelling of everyone who doesn't agree with him far right he's also regularly delivering masterclasses in how to completely make yourself look a total mug by missing the point. Who remembers when he was banging on about Andrew Tate and when people started to tell him to give it a rest he bumped a thread i'd started about Tate as some sort of gotcha to prove I was a fan of his. unfortuantely for SOG, in his haste to have a pop he failed to understand the thread was taking the piss out of Tate. Even then he wouldn't back down and ended up making himself look a proper fool. 

Another time he accused me of arrogantly starting a thread on a topic so i could get attention, but was too stupid to realise the Mods had split a thread and mine just happened to be the first post on the split thread.

He really is the gift that keeps giving. Funny how one of his go to phrases is "engage your brain before you post' If only he applied his own advice.

Indeed.

From his post to me earlier I see he’s doing his thing of repeating a lie until it becomes true in his head. This one first came up a while ago, he accused me of following him around on pap’s forum for ages and ages. Until it was pointed out that (a) I only made about 30 posts on that forum (b) all of my posts were within 3 months of each other, and (c) the posts are all still publicly visible and a quick search for anyone will show that there is not one single mention of him in any of my posts, positive, negative or otherwise. Still, here we again repeating the lie. Such a dumb ball.

[sadoldgit]

1 hour ago, badgerx16 said:

Robinson's and Hopkins' names generally appear when you use them to describe another poster as supporting them. Very rarely, if at all, are they quoted or supported directly.

( Edit: see the above post).

That is because, when I first mentioned their names and their connection to what most people  understand as far right views, one particular poster immediately jumped in to defend them. I defended my view and so it continued. Bizarrely, he later claimed not to know who these people were. Yes, go figure!

My argument was then as it is now, if you don’t support someone’s views, why defend them so vigorously?

If the poster’s who use the term “Lefties” for anybody who criticises the Right slagged off Stalin or Lenin, you wouldn’t find me backing them up on here.

The pile on crowd then joined him and it became a “thing,” a regular occurrence to label them as an obsession. This was before it became widespread news that both of the characters expressed odious, hateful views, though both had a great deal of support on social media. They aren’t alone of course. There are plenty of others out there like them and Andrew Tate. Of course these people have now become part of the mainstream. They should be nowhere near it and do get a lot of pushback, which makes it even stranger to find that there are people who still have a problem with anyone who has a problem with their views.

If I had an obsession with them i would repost their views on a regular basis. There is no need as most people now know what they stand for. Both would be at home in the Reform Party and, given their standing in the polls, it is reason enough not to let these things slide.

Another odd thing on here, there are plenty of posters on here who constantly call out Trump and his behaviour, yet there is only a couple of die hard Trump supporters who throw the TDS around at his detractors. Why is that not seen as obsessive behaviour by the usual suspects too?

Talking of Trump, if I had an obsession with “far right” figures I would have known all about, and posted about, Charlie Knight. I knew nothing about this character until the day he was shot.

Anyway, hopefully Egg’s findings have put paid to another bit of forum misinformation.

[sadoldgit]

9 minutes ago, The Kraken said:

Indeed.

From his post to me earlier I see he’s doing his thing of repeating a lie until it becomes true in his head. This one first came up a while ago, he accused me of following him around on pap’s forum for ages and ages. Until it was pointed out that (a) I only made about 30 posts on that forum (b) all of my posts were within 3 months of each other, and (c) the posts are all still publicly visible and a quick search for anyone will show that there is not one single mention of him in any of my posts, positive, negative or otherwise. Still, here we again repeating the lie. Such a dumb ball.

Let’s get this right. I didn’t accuse youof following me around on Pap’s forum. I said that you had an issue with me there, which you did. You didn’t even remember being on there when I mentioned it previously. This was ten years ago and I can’t remember exactly what you took issue with, my posting style I expect, but I wasn’t your favourite poster in the short time you were there.

It is no big deal, you are still a grumpy individual and still have a pop at me, so nothing has changed.

[The Kraken]

1 minute ago, sadoldgit said:

Let’s get this right. I didn’t accuse youof following me around on Pap’s forum. I said that you had an issue with me there, which you did. You didn’t even remember being on there when I mentioned it previously. This was ten years ago and I can’t remember exactly what you took issue with, my posting style I expect, but I wasn’t your favourite poster in the short time you were there.

It is no big deal, you are still a grumpy individual and still have a pop at me, so nothing has changed.

Let’s get this right, all of my posts on pap’s forum are visible. I’ve searched them and can’t find one single reference to you. Can you provide a link? Should be quite easy to do.

[Farmer Saint]

https://youtu.be/5OaXTd7__Ys?si=FLRMuRcHfC3gUZOI

 

Edited Friday at 15:53 by Farmer Saint

[sadoldgit]

33 minutes ago, The Kraken said:

Let’s get this right, all of my posts on pap’s forum are visible. I’ve searched them and can’t find one single reference to you. Can you provide a link? Should be quite easy to do.

I’ll go and have a look when I have time but is it possible that you may have deleted it when you were on the forum? 
Have you looked at your posts there? I’m guessing no.

Edited Friday at 16:08 by sadoldgit
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[The Kraken]

5 minutes ago, sadoldgit said:

I’ll go and have a look when I have time but is it possible that you may have deleted it when you were on the forum? 
Have you looked at your posts there? I’m guessing no.

I looked at my posts there again this morning just to refresh my memory. I looked at all my posts when you first made the absurd allegation. Back then I logged in to my account and read through each post, and also ran a search on your user name on my posts just to make sure. Nothing.

I have not deleted nor edited any post I have ever made on there. 

it’s fine to just admit you were being silly at the time and just made it up. Let’s be honest now, we both know that’s exactly what’s happened. But we can play through the charade anyway.

[iansums]

32 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said:

https://youtu.be/5OaXTd7__Ys?si=FLRMuRcHfC3gUZOI

 

He was 14 at the time, who gives a fuck what he 'may' have said.

[egg]

2 minutes ago, iansums said:

He was 14 at the time, who gives a fuck what he 'may' have said.

It matters a lot when you want to be PM. For the average bloke in the street, irrelevant. 

[Gloucester Saint]

6 minutes ago, iansums said:

He was 14 at the time, who gives a fuck what he 'may' have said.

Agree to a large extent. That said, he’s said so many racist things as an adult this month let alone over the last 15 years that there’s no need to travel back to his childhood when we all say daft/offensive things. 

[badgerx16]

SOGgy........

STOP DIGGING !

[Gloucester Saint]

This thread is brought to you by JCB..

[badgerx16]

It is strange that Tice can say that all those accusng Farage have faulty memories, because it was so long ago, but Farage's recollections of the same events are perfectly clear.

Edited Friday at 16:59 by badgerx16

[sadoldgit]

49 minutes ago, egg said:

It matters a lot when you want to be PM. For the average bloke in the street, irrelevant. 

He also hasn’t changed a bit whereas most people grow out of it.

[sadoldgit]

1 hour ago, The Kraken said:

I looked at my posts there again this morning just to refresh my memory. I looked at all my posts when you first made the absurd allegation. Back then I logged in to my account and read through each post, and also ran a search on your user name on my posts just to make sure. Nothing.

I have not deleted nor edited any post I have ever made on there. 

it’s fine to just admit you were being silly at the time and just made it up. Let’s be honest now, we both know that’s exactly what’s happened. But we can play through the charade anyway.

I have just looked too and can’t find anything so will hold my hands up. I may have confused it with TUI or even earlier on this site, it’s not as if you don’t have previous with historical digs. I think we can both agree that I am not in your top 100 posters and never have been.

What I did discover in your brief time on Sotonians were your favourite posters on this site from back in 2015. I won’t embarrass you with you first choice, but your second choice begins with T, which explains a lot 😉

[The Kraken]

10 minutes ago, sadoldgit said:

I have just looked too and can’t find anything so will hold my hands up. I may have confused it with TUI or even earlier on this site, it’s not as if you don’t have previous with historical digs. I think we can both agree that I am not in your top 100 posters and never have been.

What I did discover in your brief time on Sotonians were your favourite posters on this site from back in 2015. I won’t embarrass you with you first choice, but your second choice begins with T, which explains a lot 😉

My posts are a matter of public record. Anyone can view them if they can be bothered, I can’t think of any good reason why they would want to though.

Thank you I suppose for the tiniest bit of honesty at last.

[Turkish]

27 minutes ago, sadoldgit said:

I have just looked too and can’t find anything so will hold my hands up. I may have confused it with TUI or even earlier on this site, it’s not as if you don’t have previous with historical digs. I think we can both agree that I am not in your top 100 posters and never have been.

What I did discover in your brief time on Sotonians were your favourite posters on this site from back in 2015. I won’t embarrass you with you first choice, but your second choice begins with T, which explains a lot 😉

Who was that then? 

[JohnnyShearer2.0]

1 hour ago, iansums said:

He was 14 at the time, who gives a fuck what he 'may' have said.

Well at least it shows that he was a c**t back then and still a c**t now.

Edited Friday at 18:16 by JohnnyShearer2.0

[sadoldgit]

38 minutes ago, The Kraken said:

My posts are a matter of public record. Anyone can view them if they can be bothered, I can’t think of any good reason why they would want to though.

Thank you I suppose for the tiniest bit of honesty at last.

We all make mistakes. My apologies again for getting the forum wrong.

[Turkish]

15 minutes ago, sadoldgit said:

We all make mistakes. My apologies again for getting the forum wrong.

Who is the poster starting with T who was Krakens 2nd favourite poster? Tokyo saint?

Edited Friday at 18:36 by Turkish

[Farmer Saint]

3 hours ago, iansums said:

He was 14 at the time, who gives a fuck what he 'may' have said.

Non-racists and non-antisemites I'd guess.

[Turkish]

3 hours ago, The Kraken said:

My posts are a matter of public record. Anyone can view them if they can be bothered, I can’t think of any good reason why they would want to though.

Thank you I suppose for the tiniest bit of honesty at last.

I just had a look on sotonians for the first time in years, found this post 😂😂😂😂😂

[The Kraken]

2 hours ago, Turkish said:

Who is the poster starting with T who was Krakens 2nd favourite poster? Tokyo saint?

Tokyos was a top level ‘rummer tbf.

Being a usual suspect and obviously a narcissist, my number 2 poster was The Kraken. Number one was St Bangkok.

Edited Friday at 20:50 by The Kraken

[Holmes_and_Watson]

, 

4 hours ago, sadoldgit said:

I have just looked too and can’t find anything so will hold my hands up. I may have confused it with TUI or even earlier on this site, it’s not as if you don’t have previous with historical digs. I think we can both agree that I am not in your top 100 posters and never have been.

What I did discover in your brief time on Sotonians were your favourite posters on this site from back in 2015. I won’t embarrass you with you first choice, but your second choice begins with T, which explains a lot 😉

What a classy retraction.

For the second time, you've been shown to have made this up.

But, rather than you being wrong, the offending posts are out there...somewhere. You're still accusing Kraken of them. You just don't know where they are. 

You used these fictitious posts as being on another site to show some sort of long standing, cross platform emnity.  Now, it might have just been here. Not that you can find those either, in your whataboutery. But they are out there...and...and...anyway...look at some other Sotonian posts that have nothing to do with the matter at hand.

The one thing that we can conclude from a look at any Saints platform, is that every one of them thinks of you in exactly the same way.

 

Edited Friday at 22:13 by Holmes_and_Watson

[hypochondriac]

3 hours ago, The Kraken said:

My posts are a matter of public record. Anyone can view them if they can be bothered, I can’t think of any good reason why they would want to though.

Thank you I suppose for the tiniest bit of honesty at last.

They loved me over on sotonians.

[hypochondriac]

2 hours ago, Turkish said:

Who is the poster starting with T who was Krakens 2nd favourite poster? Tokyo saint?

Tijuana Tim 

[The Kraken]

21 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

They loved me over on sotonians.

You and pap had quite the relationship 🤣

[CB Fry]

Just looked and my single solitary post on Sotonians was more than 10 years ago.

Miss you guys x x x

[whelk]

Is Pap’s place still going?  Good poster and would be good if he came back

[iansums]

17 hours ago, Gloucester Saint said:

Agree to a large extent. That said, he’s said so many racist things as an adult this month let alone over the last 15 years that there’s no need to travel back to his childhood when we all say daft/offensive things. 

What’s he said this month that is racist?

[badgerx16]

9 minutes ago, iansums said:

What’s he said this month that is racist?

This, according to John Swinney

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cn814e1ev47o

[sadoldgit]

I was going to give up watching QT and didn’t watch it this week. However, after hearing how well one of the members of the panel performed I caught up with it yesterday.

Zac Polanski was a breath of fresh air and punctured the Reform mouthpiece perfectly.

We need more people like him and less like endless line of gormless immigration hate peddling mouthpieces that Reform churn out.

[ecuk268]

Another one bites the dust....

Reform leader of Staffordshire County Council has been expelled from the party over racist posts on social media.

He said that a Briish lawyer should "f*ck off back to Nigeria" and said that migrants were "intent on colonising the UK and destroying all that had gone before". He also made racist comments about Sadiq Khan.

Edited Saturday at 12:11 by ecuk268

[Weston Super Saint]

3 minutes ago, ecuk268 said:

Another on bites the dust....

Reform leader of Staffordshire County Council has been expelled from the party over racist posts on social media.

He said that a Briish lawyer should "f*ck off back to Nigeria" and said that migrants were "intent on colonising the UK and destroying all that had gone before". He also made racist comments about Sadiq Khan.

Maybe my history knowledge isn't great but didn't "migrants" originally colonise the UK to make it what it is today?

[badgerx16]

1 minute ago, Weston Super Saint said:

Maybe my history knowledge isn't great but didn't "migrants" originally colonise the UK to make it what it is today?

The UK did more than it's fair share of colonisation itself between 1600 and 1947.

[sadoldgit]

On the plus side, at least the people who vote for them can’t pretend that they don’t know who what they are voting for. I don’t think that there is one member of their organisation who doesn’t  transparently espouse repugnant views.

[ecuk268]

54 minutes ago, Weston Super Saint said:

Maybe my history knowledge isn't great but didn't "migrants" originally colonise the UK to make it what it is today?

Don't confuse them with facts.

[Gloucester Saint]

11 hours ago, iansums said:

What’s he said this month that is racist?

Funnily enough didn’t pick up on the use of Gaelic as another language https://tfn.scot/news/charity-leads-condemnation-of-farage-over-claims-about-glasgow-schoolkids

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=1419439356856154&set=a.709946794472084&id=100063703086121
Downplaying the use of a horrific racial slur. He did the same in 2014 for UKIP candidate Kerry Smith https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/nigel-farage-claims-ukip-candidate-used-offensive-language-because-he-grew-up-in-a-council-house-9935234.html and on other occasions using even worse language https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/nigel-farage-video-racist-divisive-itv-eu-special-ian-warren_uk_5756893de4b0411d4de1d828

[The Kraken]

Yeah but apart from that…..

[Weston Super Saint]

9 hours ago, Gloucester Saint said:

Funnily enough didn’t pick up on the use of Gaelic as another language https://tfn.scot/news/charity-leads-condemnation-of-farage-over-claims-about-glasgow-schoolkids

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=1419439356856154&set=a.709946794472084&id=100063703086121
Downplaying the use of a horrific racial slur. He did the same in 2014 for UKIP candidate Kerry Smith https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/nigel-farage-claims-ukip-candidate-used-offensive-language-because-he-grew-up-in-a-council-house-9935234.html and on other occasions using even worse language https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/nigel-farage-video-racist-divisive-itv-eu-special-ian-warren_uk_5756893de4b0411d4de1d828

Does it make things better or worse that we currently have a Prime Minister in charge of the country who is LESS popular than that imbecile?

 

[The Kraken]

1 hour ago, Weston Super Saint said:

Does it make things better or worse that we currently have a Prime Minister in charge of the country who is LESS popular than that imbecile?

It’s a bit of a simplistic response here. But personally I’d take competence and performance over popularity. Just over half of the country followed the imbecile and thought the UK would be better off being out of the EU. Councils run by Reform are proving to be a disaster zone in both performance and integrity of characters. Starmer is proving to be something of a spineless disappointment, but somehow he and his party are still a better option than any other current option IMO.

When we had the utter cretin Boris Johnson in charge of things, I just wished we could take the whole ‘popularity’ thing out of politics and get someone who is beige and competent, because he was neither. We’ve got one of those things at least.

Edited 15 hours ago by The Kraken

[Gloucester Saint]

2 hours ago, Weston Super Saint said:

Does it make things better or worse that we currently have a Prime Minister in charge of the country who is LESS popular than that imbecile?

 

Agree with @The Kraken - neither is great, Starmer has to step up otherwise he’s going to be replaced next summer (only needs 80 MPs to trigger a contest) but popularity itself isn’t an indicator. Thatcher had terrible polls at times through her premiership, and as Kraken said, 52% of people following Farage leaping into the dark has left this country far poorer and more divided/unhappy. Electorate keeps wanting ‘change’ but they don’t like any of the changes because we’ve lost a big chunk of the economy and because of that the changes are compromises.

Get back in the Customs Union - regain 1.5-2% of economic growth, get more money in people’s pockets and it’ll feel a bit better. Accept that the Single Market is politically unacceptable because of freedom of movement.

Starmer needs a backbone on that issue.

[sadoldgit]

I think that the hammering that Labour took under Corbyn still gives Starmer nightmares and he is conscious of the whole Brexit farce from them then. Although the attitude is changing and the Brexiteers are dying off, he is still wary of going too far back towards the EU. It really is a no brainer now as far as the economy is concerned (and Trump’s US turning into an unpredictable mess). Labour are starting to make the right noises but fully agree, they need to be much more positive starting now.

[sadoldgit]

Nothing dodgy about our Nigel…

https://www.independent.co.uk/bulletin/news/farage-reform-donation-investigation-cryptocurrency-b2879642.html

[badgerx16]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c2039wvjz64o

"County court judgements show Mr Elliott's building companies have been ordered to pay the couples a combined total of £140,000. They had all agreed to buy bungalows but pulled out following major complications, broken promises and delays, they say.

One of his companies - Nashville Homes Ltd - voluntarily entered liquidation in October 2024. It owed its creditors more than £1m, including approximately £500,000 to Mr Elliott himself, according to documents on Companies House, "

 

Elliott is also being sued by his own council for £38000 in unpaid C-Tax and Busieness Rates.

[badgerx16]

( Borrowed from The Pub Landlord )

What is the problem with the migrants crossing the channel ? They are only following in the great British tradition of escaping from France in small boats.

[sadoldgit]

It’s not getting any better for poor old Nigel.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-15361975/amp/Nigel-Farage-reported-police-claim-election-fraud-Clacton.html