Aaron Ramsdale

[Wade Garrett]

40 minutes ago, Lighthouse said:

What makes you think we haven’t? If we got £15m+ for Sully, I doubt we’re donating one of our best players to Oxfam.

Show me where I said they haven’t.

[Charlie Wayman]

1 hour ago, ally_uk said:

Do Newcastle have any players that could do a job for us on loan ?

Players on the fringes of first team 

I also agree what Turkish said about Premier league, it's a circus. 🎪 

Are you kidding, the last one was a five minute wonder and now we are struggling to get rid of him.

[OnceaSaintalwaysaSaint]

2 hours ago, Colinjb said:

But, this is contingent on us signing someone else. Bazunu is completely atrocious.

Unfortunately, I'm not so sure it is contingent on us signing someone else. I can see Baz between the sticks this season.

[Gloucester Saint]

6 minutes ago, OnceaSaintalwaysaSaint said:

Unfortunately, I'm not so sure it is contingent on us signing someone else. I can see Baz between the sticks this season.

I can see mid-table in the Championship and at least one defeat to the Skates. ‘Agent Gavin’.

[pimpin4rizeal]

Out of everyone I’d love to keep ramsdale the most. But I guess this is good news providing we do replace him and don’t end up with bazunu in goal ..  most of our squad I think is decent for this level But bazunu and I don’t mean to be horrible is a absolute liability . You need to work on replacing the weak links over anything else 

Edited Monday at 18:56 by pimpin4rizeal

[Chez]

4 hours ago, beatlesaint said:

To be honest I dont understand it, I would put Pope and Ramsdale on a par. One of them is gonna be very unhappy sat on the bench for everything bar FA Cup and League Cup games. 

He's better than Pope, who has made some errors, is 33 and often injured. 

[Chez]

1 hour ago, OnceaSaintalwaysaSaint said:

Unfortunately, I'm not so sure it is contingent on us signing someone else. I can see Baz between the sticks this season.

Another bloody good reason to demand £25m for Ramsdale.

[Chez]

5 minutes ago, pimpin4rizeal said:

Out of everyone I’d love to keep ramsdale the most. 

Likewise. It's unrealistic to think he'd play in the championship, but seeing leave on loan would be troubling.

[Turkish]

5 minutes ago, Chez said:

Likewise. It's unrealistic to think he'd play in the championship, but seeing leave on loan would be troubling.

Why? If we get a £5m loan fee and his wages covered then that’s a good deal for all involved. We get a fee and the wages off the books, he gets to play top end premier league and Europe and we can reassess things in the summer. I’d say a good deal for everyone. 

[S-Clarke]

26 minutes ago, Chez said:

He's better than Pope, who has made some errors, is 33 and often injured. 

I honestly didn't realise Pope was that old, I still associate him as a young/early 20's keeper at Burnley.

A sign of old age that.

[Turkish]

8 minutes ago, S-Clarke said:

I honestly didn't realise Pope was that old, I still associate him as a young/early 20's keeper at Burnley.

A sign of old age that.

I’ve always rated Pope good solid keeper in world where everyone’s obsessed by how they play out he does the basics well. Good shot stopper commands the area very vocal. He’s probably not helped by the facts he’s worked his way up from Charlton to Burnley to Newcastle rather than being a hipster keeper taught how to play out at a big club 

[S-Clarke]

1 minute ago, Turkish said:

I’ve always rated Pope good solid keeper in world where everyone’s obsessed by how they play out he does the basics well. Good shot stopper commands the area very vocal. He’s probably not helped by the facts he’s worked his way up from Charlton to Burnley to Newcastle rather than being a hipster keeper taught how to play out at a big club 

Yeah I've always rated him, does the number 1 thing you want goalkeepers to do - stop shots! Like you say, too much focus nowadays on them needing to play - which even in some cases is seen as more important over shot stopping, which is absolutely mental.

I reckon he'll end up back at Burnley, bit of a merry-go-round brewing. Ramsdale to Newcastle, Trafford to City, Pope back to Burnley.

[Miltonaggro]

4 minutes ago, Turkish said:

I’ve always rated Pope good solid keeper in world where everyone’s obsessed by how they play out he does the basics well. Good shot stopper commands the area very vocal. He’s probably not helped by the facts he’s worked his way up from Charlton to Burnley to Newcastle rather than being a hipster keeper taught how to play out at a big club 

Similar to Sam Johnstone in that regard, a solid keeper in the Maik Taylor mould.  I would have been happy with Johnstone in May 2023 and again now assuming Ramsdale is offski.  

[Turkish]

7 minutes ago, Miltonaggro said:

Similar to Sam Johnstone in that regard, a solid keeper in the Maik Taylor mould.  I would have been happy with Johnstone in May 2023 and again now assuming Ramsdale is offski.  

Yep that’s another one which is unfathomable. Decent competent keeper with premier league experience available for free and we instead spent £11m on a keeper who’d never played above league one level it’s beggars belief. Both with Baz as back up id get but just Baz was and is mental

[saint michael]

4 hours ago, Wurzel said:

What's he like in goal?

If we signed him I think we would give it a go…

[Farmer Saint]

2 hours ago, Gloucester Saint said:

I can see mid-table in the Championship and at least one defeat to the Skates. ‘Agent Gavin’.

Why, when we got promoted last year with him in goal for 90% of the season?

[Fabrice29]

3 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said:

Why, when we got promoted last year with him in goal for 90% of the season?

We actually got promoted in spite of our goalkeeper, captain, strikers and manager that season don't you know.

[Farmer Saint]

Just now, Fabrice29 said:

We actually got promoted in spite of our goalkeeper, captain, strikers and manager that season don't you know.

And now, even though we have a better squad and Manager, a lot of our fans think we're mid table or worse? I genuinely don't get it.

[Turkish]

Can anyone remember how many points we won because of Baz in the 3 years he’s been here?

im Sure we can all list quite a few we points lost because of him

as a wise man once said a good goalkeeper wins you 12 points a season.

weve got one that costs us that 

unless he signifantly improved is that going to change this year?

[hypochondriac]

7 minutes ago, Turkish said:

Can anyone remember how many points we won because of Baz in the 3 years he’s been here?

im Sure we can all list quite a few we points lost because of him

as a wise man once said a good goalkeeper wins you 12 points a season.

weve got one that costs us that 

unless he signifantly improved is that going to change this year?

Even if he has the potential to, why take the risk for the sake of a few million quid whee potentially it could cost you many times that. 

[Gloucester Saint]

1 hour ago, Farmer Saint said:

Why, when we got promoted last year with him in goal for 90% of the season?

No way would we have kept a clean sheet at Wembley - McCarthy was hardly Gordon Banks but he looked it by comparison.

[Gloucester Saint]

59 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said:

And now, even though we have a better squad and Manager, a lot of our fans think we're mid table or worse? I genuinely don't get it.

Better manager on paper, don’t quite agree that’s a stronger squad than 2023 though unless Downs proves to be as good as Che at holding up and bagging 15-18 goals (the finish was very nice v Espanyol so maybe…). AA still there but not sure he’s in the same frame of mind. 

[Chez]

1 hour ago, Turkish said:

Why? If we get a £5m loan fee and his wages covered then that’s a good deal for all involved. We get a fee and the wages off the books, he gets to play top end premier league and Europe and we can reassess things in the summer. I’d say a good deal for everyone. 

I'm cooling the Pop Fizz in readiness. 

Is it not false economics? We save on his wages, but have to pay Baz's and or someone else's instead. We gain £5m, but won't his value probably go down by a similar amount? If we have a suitor, is now not the time to exploit them?

I'm usually the first on here to say we have to be realistic and balance the books, and if this is the best deal available and we accept it, we obviously needed to, but I certainly won't be happy and describe it as a "good deal". Allowing your best player to leave on loan sucks. What other club does that?

 

[Galway saint]

59 minutes ago, Turkish said:

Can anyone remember how many points we won because of Baz in the 3 years he’s been here?

im Sure we can all list quite a few we points lost because of him

as a wise man once said a good goalkeeper wins you 12 points a season.

weve got one that costs us that 

unless he signifantly improved is that going to change this year?

there was the away game at Preston where he made a good save ( not sure he knew much about it though) and WBA away - apart from that I can’t think of anything. 

I watched him play in Belgium last season to see how he did and he looked to me much the same player he has always been.   Not a natural keeper, lacking the necessary physicality to command his box and his positional sense is poor. 

With the club extending Stephen’s contract I expect we will start with Baz in goal which is pretty depressing stuff 

 

[Farmer Saint]

17 minutes ago, Gloucester Saint said:

Better manager on paper, don’t quite agree that’s a stronger squad than 2023 though unless Downs proves to be as good as Che at holding up and bagging 15-18 goals (the finish was very nice v Espanyol so maybe…). AA still there but not sure he’s in the same frame of mind. 

Che is, and was, wank. Let's not begin this revisionist history on Che being the second coming of Alan Shearer.

Apart from that, and KWP, we have Fernandes and Dibling, a much better Shea Charles. I really can't see how you think it's worse. And we got promoted - we were nowhere near mid table that season.

When you talk about AA's frame of mind, was he in a good frame in mind after his goalscoring exploits in the 22/23 season then?

Edited Monday at 21:25 by Farmer Saint

[Farmer Saint]

19 minutes ago, Gloucester Saint said:

No way would we have kept a clean sheet at Wembley - McCarthy was hardly Gordon Banks but he looked it by comparison.

That's why I said 90% of the season. But either way we finished 4th, nowhere near mid table, with a Manager that the majority on here thought was utterly abysmal.

[Lighthouse]

3 minutes ago, Chez said:

I'm cooling the Pop Fizz in readiness. 

Is it not false economics? We save on his wages, but have to pay Baz's and or someone else's instead. We gain £5m, but won't his value probably go down by a similar amount? If we have a suitor, is now not the time to exploit them?

I'm usually the first on here to say we have to be realistic and balance the books, and if this is the best deal available and we accept it, we obviously needed to, but I certainly won't be happy and describe it as a "good deal". Allowing your best player to leave on loan sucks. What other club does that?

I'd wager his value will go up playing a season of PL and CL football, rather than playing for us in the Champ. He'll still have two years on his deal at the end of the season, which is a reasonably healthy position from which to negotiate. Getting his wages off the books is a no-brainer financially and the loan fee could probably cover two decent Championship players, on loan from somewhere else.

Whether or not we'd sign another keeper, I don't know. Like it or not, the club don't view Bazunu with anywhere near the disdain being exhibited on this message board. Ramsdale out, Bazunu in goal and a couple of decent loans in other positions, all for a net financial gain makes an awful lot of sense to the accountants.

[Gloucester Saint]

15 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said:

Che is, and was, wank. Let's not begin this revisionist history on Che being the second coming of Alan Shearer.

Apart from that, and KWP, we have Fernandes and Dibling, a much better Shea Charles. I really can't see how you think it's worse. And we got promoted - we were nowhere near mid table that season.

When you talk about AA's frame of mind, was he in a good frame in mind after his goalscoring exploits in the 22/23 season then?

PL level he was OK. I didn’t say good but not that bad either. Champ level he was very good though. All of last season’s strikers didn’t manage a Che-type 8 PL goals and as many assists between them remember. Good season in Serie A as well. We’ve obviously had the likes of Pelle, Rickie, Beattie, Marian over the last 25 years which is why Che isn’t rated but he is like Shearer compared with the garbage SR bought.

And no KWP this season, was a huge factor offensively for us in 23/24.

Edited Monday at 21:39 by Gloucester Saint

[skintsaint]

1 hour ago, Turkish said:

as a wise man once said a good goalkeeper wins you 12 points a season.

Bit scary with Ramsdale in goal and us finishing on 12 points....😅

[Gloucester Saint]

15 minutes ago, Lighthouse said:

Whether or not we'd sign another keeper, I don't know. Like it or not, the club don't view Bazunu with anywhere near the disdain being exhibited on this message board. Ramsdale out, Bazunu in goal and a couple of decent loans in other positions, all for a net financial gain makes an awful lot of sense to the accountants.

If it’s the judgement of Sports Republic/Saints since 2017 vs the judgement of our fanbase, I’ll go with our fanbase every single time. We’ve been proven right.

Romeo Lavia signing is the only successful thing they’ve done in the context of the club’s history and they even messed that up moving Romeu on. Don’t trust them one iota. 

[Farmer Saint]

15 minutes ago, Gloucester Saint said:

PL level he was OK. I didn’t say good but not that bad either. Champ level he was very good though. All of last season’s strikers didn’t manage a Che-type 8 PL goals and as many assists between them remember. Good season in Serie A as well. We’ve obviously had the likes of Pelle, Rickie, Beattie, Marian over the last 25 years which is why Che isn’t rated but he is like Shearer compared with the garbage SR bought.

And no KWP this season, was a huge factor offensively for us in 23/24.

Che wasn't rated, because Che was pretty shit, not because of who came before him. He scored 9 goals with 3 assists last season for Torino, and a monumental 6 goals and 2 assists in his last 31 games.

If you had the choice of Adams, KWP, Smallbone and Edozie, or Downs, Sugawara, Fernandes and Dibling, which would you choose?

Edited Monday at 21:53 by Farmer Saint

[Gloucester Saint]

36 minutes ago, Chez said:

I'm cooling the Pop Fizz in readiness. 

Is it not false economics? We save on his wages, but have to pay Baz's and or someone else's instead. We gain £5m, but won't his value probably go down by a similar amount? If we have a suitor, is now not the time to exploit them?

I'm usually the first on here to say we have to be realistic and balance the books, and if this is the best deal available and we accept it, we obviously needed to, but I certainly won't be happy and describe it as a "good deal". Allowing your best player to leave on loan sucks. What other club does that?

 

It’s pointless. I can only assume the financial position must be pretty grim because Ramsdale, Fernandes and Dibling were supposed to be the ‘they only go for top price’ players. And then the club capitulates as it always has post-2017 despite all the PR guff it spews out.

Then again, when has anything SR said been remotely true? Can’t stand them, bullshit merchants, outdoing even Les Reed.

 

[Whitey Grandad]

53 minutes ago, Gloucester Saint said:

No way would we have kept a clean sheet at Wembley - McCarthy was hardly Gordon Banks but he looked it by comparison.

Impossible to say that. McCarthy was nowhere near their shot that hit the bar, for instance. 

[Gloucester Saint]

3 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said:

Che wasn't rated, because Che was pretty shit, not because of who came before him. He scored 9 goals with 3 assists last season for Torino, and a monumental 6 goals and 2 assists in his last 31 games.

If you had the choice of Adams, KWP, Smallbone and Edozie, or Downs, Sugawara, Fernandes and Dibling, which would you choose?

Fernandes all day long but he’ll be gone soon, probably on loan as well knowing this shower of owners. KWP we didnt have the option but he is my favourite player of the last few years and most professional at the club by a mile. 

Again, Che’s performance in Serie A whilst Batistuta hammers the arse off anything SR have bought in at much bigger cost. 

[Gloucester Saint]

2 minutes ago, Whitey Grandad said:

Impossible to say that. McCarthy was nowhere near their shot that hit the bar, for instance. 

Point is, it’s a well known risk and he’d cost us 12 points or so during the regular season before he did his Achilles. If they’re as determined to finish top 2 as they say they are, why take a stupid risk that? From a business perspective, it doesn’t make sense. Get your spine right and if you want to gamble/risk, do it in the wide areas with a funky loan or two.

Edited Monday at 22:01 by Gloucester Saint

[bpsaint]

1 hour ago, Turkish said:

Can anyone remember how many points we won because of Baz in the 3 years he’s been here?

im Sure we can all list quite a few we points lost because of him

as a wise man once said a good goalkeeper wins you 12 points a season.

weve got one that costs us that 

unless he signifantly improved is that going to change this year?

It seemed like every challenging shot crisp packet wrists faced that season ended up in a goal to the opposition.

Fed up with us insisting on wasting time with these average players instead of just relying on decent solid if unspectacular signings. Think Radhi Jaidi, Dean Hammond and Chaplow back in the day.

If we line up against Wrexham with fucking Baz, Stephens and Smallbone starting I’ll slit my wrists.

[Whitey Grandad]

Just now, Gloucester Saint said:

Point is, it’s a well known risk and he’d cost us 12 points or so during the regular season before he did his Achilles. If they’re as determined to finish top 2 as they say they are, why take a stupid risk that? 

12 points? That's a very precise figure.

He's not as bad as you and others make out but I agree that we need better.

[Farmer Saint]

8 minutes ago, Gloucester Saint said:

It’s pointless. I can only assume the financial position must be pretty grim because Ramsdale, Fernandes and Dibling were supposed to be the ‘they only go for top price’ players. And then the club capitulates as it always has post-2017 despite all the PR guff it spews out.

Then again, when has anything SR said been remotely true? Can’t stand them, bullshit merchants, outdoing even Les Reed.

 

Sorry, how much have we sold Ramsdale, Fernandes and Dibling for? I must have missed that.

[Whitey Grandad]

1 minute ago, bpsaint said:

It seemed like every challenging shot crisp packet wrists faced that season ended up in a goal to the opposition.

Fed up with us insisting on wasting time with these average players instead of just relying on decent solid if unspectacular signings. Think Radhi Jaidi, Dean Hammond and Chaplow back in the day.

If we line up against Wrexham with fucking Baz, Stephens and Smallbone starting I’ll slit my wrists.

I'm a lot more concerned by Stephens and to a lesser extent Smallbone than I am about Bazunu.

[Gloucester Saint]

Just now, bpsaint said:

It seemed like every challenging shot crisp packet wrists faced that season ended up in a goal to the opposition.

Fed up with us insisting on wasting time with these average players instead of just relying on decent solid if unspectacular signings. Think Radhi Jaidi, Dean Hammond and Chaplow back in the day.

If we line up against Wrexham with fucking Baz, Stephens and Smallbone starting I’ll slit my wrists.

Jaidi, Hammond, Chaplow - excellent professionals and a cut above the league were in at the time we signed them. That’s what this summer should’ve been about. Instead, more gambles/clever shit leading to errors and a failure leader given three more years of reward. SR will never learn, sooner they sell up the better. 

[Farmer Saint]

5 minutes ago, Gloucester Saint said:

Fernandes all day long but he’ll be gone soon, probably on loan as well knowing this shower of owners. KWP we didnt have the option but he is my favourite player of the last few years and most professional at the club by a mile. 

Again, Che’s performance in Serie A whilst Batistuta hammers the arse off anything SR have bought in at much bigger cost. 

Are you drunk? What the hell are you talking about Batistuta for? Are you comparing Che to Gabriel?

[danjosaint]

4 minutes ago, bpsaint said:

It seemed like every challenging shot crisp packet wrists faced that season ended up in a goal to the opposition.

Fed up with us insisting on wasting time with these average players instead of just relying on decent solid if unspectacular signings. Think Radhi Jaidi, Dean Hammond and Chaplow back in the day.

If we line up against Wrexham with fucking Baz, Stephens and Smallbone starting I’ll slit my wrists.

You would certainly question the know how of Still/Spors if that happened, proving SR haven't a clue or learnt anything 

Edited Monday at 22:06 by danjosaint

[Gloucester Saint]

Just now, Farmer Saint said:

Sorry, how much have we sold Ramsdale, Fernandes and Dibling for? I must have missed that.

We can’t use Ramsdale next season so he might as well be as a supporter. He won’t be coming back. Fernandes will go, along with KWP the only two players to give a shit last season. Dibling - the club can smell the pure PSR ‘profit’.

Yuck at what football has become and yuck at SR.

[Lighthouse]

2 minutes ago, Gloucester Saint said:

Jaidi, Hammond, Chaplow - excellent professionals and a cut above the league were in at the time we signed them. That’s what this summer should’ve been about. Instead, more gambles/clever shit leading to errors and a failure leader given three more years of reward. SR will never learn, sooner they sell up the better. 

And we ended up one whole point worse off than we did in 2012, which we'd probably have had if we hadn't rotated the squad against Stoke.

[sockeye]

Worth noting that we weren't even in for Ramsdale at first. We only pulled out of the Bijlow deal because he failed his medical. The bean counters were probably devastated when that happened.

[Farmer Saint]

Just now, Gloucester Saint said:

We can’t use Ramsdale next season so he might as well be as a supporter. He won’t be coming back. Fernandes will go, along with KWP the only two players to give a shit last season. Dibling - the club can smell the pure PSR ‘profit’.

Yuck at what football has become and yuck at SR.

Oh, so you're making up what the club is going to do, financially. In the same Summer we got what, £18m for Sulemana and £6m for Bednarek.

I think you need to put the wine down and go to bed.

[Gloucester Saint]

1 minute ago, Farmer Saint said:

Are you drunk? What the hell are you talking about Batistuta for? Are you comparing Che to Gabriel?

Not touched a drop Farmer. What I’m saying is he hasn’t scored 20 goals but for a top flight team looking to be mid-lower table and stay clear of trouble he’s helped them do that comfortably. What would we give for that?

More than Archer or BBD could do last season and I think he’s a far better footballer than either of those two, although Archer might be ok if we use him properly with earlier passes.

In summary, I rate him higher than our current strikers at any level. 

 

[Farmer Saint]

1 minute ago, Gloucester Saint said:

Not touched a drop Farmer. What I’m saying is he hasn’t scored 20 goals but for a top flight team looking to be mid-lower table and stay clear of trouble he’s helped them do that comfortably. What would we give for that?

More than Archer or BBD could do last season and I think he’s a far better footballer than either of those two, although Archer might be ok if we use him properly with earlier passes.

In summary, I rate him higher than our current strikers at any level. 

 

Alongside Batistuta?

[Gloucester Saint]

2 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said:

Oh, so you're making up what the club is going to do, financially. In the same Summer we got what, £18m for Sulemana and £6m for Bednarek.

I think you need to put the wine down and go to bed.

I’m not the one who spent the whole of last summer saying ‘the strategy is to sign top Championship players for next season as the club know they’re going down’.

Funnily enough, they’re the ones Still seems keenest to move on….

[Farmer Saint]

4 minutes ago, Gloucester Saint said:

I’m not the one who spent the whole of last summer saying ‘the strategy is to sign top Championship players for next season as the club know they’re going down’.

Funnily enough, they’re the ones Still seems keenest to move on….

Really, sorry I haven't seen those quotes. Would be good to see them.

You are wetting the bed at things that haven't happened yet. I would suggest you just wait until the end of the transfer window before calling the Wambulance.

Edited Monday at 22:17 by Farmer Saint