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chivvy

chivvy

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What premier league player is going to drop down to the championship to join our project

It was a little different when we were huge club in league one  with potential and money to go up premier .. by being a big club in championship

we don't have that carrot..

We also need to get out of the championship.. 

it's not a foregone conclusion we are going straight back up.. 

Sainz is pushing premier and Sargent would be ok back up in the premier. 

We need to a bit realistic.. can't see anyone regular prem joining us in the championship. Only gamble youngsters or players at the end of their prem time.

Loans are an excellent way but very short term and if they were nailed on premier league players they wouldn't be loaned out..

 

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Chez

Chez

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1 hour ago, disconnect said:

We were very interested previously, wonder if we'll go back. Not ready for prem yet, but would be worth doing it at a top level in the Championship again. If Sheffield Utd dont go up I imagine he'd go there for another season. 

if they do go up they will try to buy him.

Chez

Chez

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33 minutes ago, chivvy said:

What premier league player is going to drop down to the championship to join our project

It was a little different when we were huge club in league one  with potential and money to go up premier .. by being a big club in championship

we don't have that carrot..

We also need to get out of the championship.. 

it's not a foregone conclusion we are going straight back up.. 

Sainz is pushing premier and Sargent would be ok back up in the premier. 

We need to a bit realistic.. can't see anyone regular prem joining us in the championship. Only gamble youngsters or players at the end of their prem time.

Loans are an excellent way but very short term and if they were nailed on premier league players they wouldn't be loaned out..

 

of course no PL regular is joining us in the championship, but if we can get another Brooks on loan that would be ideal. There are lots of talented youngsters that can't get a game in the PL. We should know all of them pretty well. Getting them is not easy. 

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Chez

Chez

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7 hours ago, OldNick said:

Everton have a shedful who are out of contract, inc Dacoure and Gana. Tough, streetwise and decent midfielders.

i wonder if foreign players like those two, perhaps pretty well known outside of the uk, will get top flight gigs abroad rather than have to drop down a division?

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Whitey Grandad

Whitey Grandad

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11 hours ago, hypochondriac said:

I'd be alright with keeping Stephens in the squad and then binning him once we get promotion. Quite a few of these players will be more than good enough for the championship just not good enough for the league above and that's fine. 

This has to be a joke, right? Always goes missing when needed.

Holmes_and_Watson

Holmes_and_Watson

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9 minutes ago, Whitey Grandad said:

This has to be a joke, right? Always goes missing when needed.

Missing in games, or suspended? Or am I pulling, sorry splitting, am I splitting hairs here? 🙂

Whitey Grandad

Whitey Grandad

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12 minutes ago, Holmes_and_Watson said:

Missing in games, or suspended? Or am I pulling, sorry splitting, am I splitting hairs here? 🙂

Both, to be honest, but mainly during games. He has a talent for marking space.

Holmes_and_Watson

Holmes_and_Watson

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10 minutes ago, Whitey Grandad said:

Both, to be honest, but mainly during games. He has a talent for marking space.

I thought you meant that. But I wasn't passing up a chance to mention the hair pulling. 🙂

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BERMUDASAINT

BERMUDASAINT

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1 hour ago, Gloucester Saint said:

Bodes well, extend his contract if Shea is willing to https://www.owlstalk.co.uk/forums/topic/338560-player-of-the-year-vote/#comments

Shea is the POTS for owls, but his bro is has stepped up and so has a blast from the past Jan Valery.

 Owl vs middlesbrough

P. Charles: 9.5 (mom)

Valery:  8

S. Charles: 8.5

Not quite POTS candidate yet but Valery has been impressive as well, suits Rohls system

 

S Charles was very good but my MOM was Valery in his hybrid role he was outstanding.

but what a cracking game he had Valery's man marking of Azaz quietened the opponent's most

Some very good performances - both Charles brothers especially but thought Valery, Musaba and Smith all played well

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OldNick

OldNick

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20 hours ago, Chez said:

i wonder if foreign players like those two, perhaps pretty well known outside of the uk, will get top flight gigs abroad rather than have to drop down a division?

im sure you are right

Mr X

Mr X

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I know he's not popular with everyone on here but could a returning Che Adams do a good job for us in the championship? I rate his qualities and determination at holding the ball up in midfield and he is capable of a wonder strike or two, yes he misses some sitters but don't they all! certainly a better option than AA or Archer I feel 

lambtiss

lambtiss

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22 minutes ago, Mr X said:

I know he's not popular with everyone on here but could a returning Che Adams do a good job for us in the championship? I rate his qualities and determination at holding the ball up in midfield and he is capable of a wonder strike or two, yes he misses some sitters but don't they all! certainly a better option than AA or Archer I feel 

I'd have him back without a 2nd thought, but I think that ship has sailed. We would have been a much stronger proposition this year in the PL if we had managed to retain him. For me, his strengths have always far outweighed his lack of finishing prowess.

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Mr X

Mr X

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1 minute ago, lambtiss said:

I'd have him back without a 2nd thought, but I think that ship has sailed. We would have been a much stronger proposition this year in the PL if we had managed to retain him. For me, his strengths have always far outweighed his lack of finishing prowess.

I found this which got me thinking about him and he has done fairly well at torino https://saintsmarching.com/southampton-realize-complicated-solution-to-seal-necessary-striker-return

Rebel

Rebel

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So which premier league players could we got on loan or should we go for?  Am I right in thinking we are allowed 5 loan players from premier league clubs?

Jaysun Rak-Sakyi?

Sam Iling-Junior?

Luis Guilherme?

Armand Broja?

Callum Doyle?

Mr X

Mr X

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1 hour ago, OldNick said:

I dont think Che is the answer. There must someone fresher and hungrier that is big and strong, with a bit of pace we can find. 

Any ideas who? We need players that are proven in the championship we can't afford more punts and gambles that turn out to be duds as seems to be the way with us! 

redkeith

redkeith

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10 minutes ago, Mr X said:

Any ideas who? We need players that are proven in the championship we can't afford more punts and gambles that turn out to be duds as seems to be the way with us! 

I like the look of Ivanovic at Millwall. Powwerful, big unit and scores goals, against the Skates as well !   

 

OldNick

OldNick

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2 hours ago, Mr X said:

Any ideas who? We need players that are proven in the championship we can't afford more punts and gambles that turn out to be duds as seems to be the way with us! 

Not my remit, but I did pick Ivan Toney when he was at Peterborough, nobody I can think as a standout. Che is ok, but he wasnt wonderful. It will depend on the style of manager we choose of course. May as well go for Carlton Morris as he would be cheaper than Che I suspect

lambtiss

lambtiss

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19 hours ago, OldNick said:

Not my remit, but I did pick Ivan Toney when he was at Peterborough, nobody I can think as a standout. Che is ok, but he wasnt wonderful. It will depend on the style of manager we choose of course. May as well go for Carlton Morris as he would be cheaper than Che I suspect

Unfortunately, Morris has only scored 8 goals in the Championship this season. Not enough to take a punt on for me.

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Middlewordie

Middlewordie

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What about looking at League 1 players. We don't need too much individual brilliance as our squad should be good enough to create the chances. We just need someone who doesnt miss the target too often. Charlie Kelman has proved he can do that this season, playing in a not brilliant Orient side, and still getting 21 goals to push them into the play offs...

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Matthew Le God

Matthew Le God

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11 minutes ago, Middlewordie said:

What about looking at League 1 players. We don't need too much individual brilliance as our squad should be good enough to create the chances. We just need someone who doesnt miss the target too often. Charlie Kelman has proved he can do that this season, playing in a not brilliant Orient side, and still getting 21 goals to push them into the play offs...

He is contracted to a Championship team.

Holmes_and_Watson

Holmes_and_Watson

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1 hour ago, Matthew Le God said:

He is contracted to a Championship team.

While he is, Middlewordie's post easily applies to players currently playing in League 1. 

While he's played for QPR across recent seasons, the majority of Kelman's games have been on loan in leagues 1 and 2.

Any reasonable poster would see that Matt. You're 0 for 2 this morning. Following yesterday's 0 in dozens of posts, it's maybe a good time to pause and think.

1 hour ago, Middlewordie said:

What about looking at League 1 players. We don't need too much individual brilliance as our squad should be good enough to create the chances. We just need someone who doesnt miss the target too often. Charlie Kelman has proved he can do that this season, playing in a not brilliant Orient side, and still getting 21 goals to push them into the play offs...

 

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Middlewordie

Middlewordie

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2 hours ago, Matthew Le God said:

He is contracted to a Championship team.

He is, but they don't seem to like him much as he's always on loan. Maybe they'll sell him to us.

OldNick

OldNick

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On 25/04/2025 at 08:23, lambtiss said:

Unfortunately, Morris has only scored 8 goals in the Championship this season. Not enough to take a punt on for me.

I get your point but I thnk he would be better than Che coming back. He has a decent footballing brain, hold the ball up well. Not saying he is a must but was pretty decent in the past

qwertyell

qwertyell

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Hard to know what our market is - how attractive a draw Saints in the Championship might be.

But assuming (probably wrongly) that players from the top divisions in much smaller leagues are possibly within reach, we might want to have a look in Romania for Cluj's striker Louis Munteanu (22), who is a very decent all-rounder not entirely dissimilar in style to Gyorkeres. Had an unsuccessful taste of Serie A with Fiorentina (too young for the step up, maybe? He joined them at 18), but he's developing nicely now he back in Romania and banging them in from all angles.

Ask Dan Petrescu to do the tapping up?

Tommy Mulgrew

Tommy Mulgrew

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38 minutes ago, qwertyell said:

Louis Munteanu

According to Transfermarket, roughly the same height as Smallbone, Taylor and Aribo.  Are those three really the same height?  Aribo seems imposing enough but Smallbone - really?

19 goals and 2 assists from 23 starts and 2 sub appearances in the Romanian league this season for a team that is consistently in the top three, and usually top, for the last several years.  1 full cap but lots of age-related caps for Romania.  Promising but not guaranteed to do well for us.  The last Romanian international we had did not exactly fire us to success.

gsweet87

gsweet87

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Jamie Donley from Spurs has had a decent season on loan at high flying Orient, might be a good shout on loan to fill a likely Matty Fernandes shaped hole.

Will need a RB to replace KWP, as Yuki is absolute dog. Lamptey from Brighton available on a free, good player if fit, would tear up the championship.

Ings available on a free... Another risk but again, could be dynamite in the second tier.

 

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