GCSE Geography

[Patches O Houlihan]

3 minutes ago, Convict Colony said:

So what we saying, King Canute never tried to push back the sea, he was trying to tame an estuary ?

His agent will be fuming.

Maybe it was baby steps - he wasn't arrogant enough to try to hold back the real sea on his first go? 

Edited September 2 by Patches O Houlihan

[Stud mark of doom]

I can sea us coasting to promotion now. 

[swannymere]

2 minutes ago, Stud mark of doom said:

I can sea us coasting to promotion now. 

Well that's well and truly jinxed us. 

[Midfield_General]

27 minutes ago, Whitey Grandad said:

Semantics here. It's a coastal body of water because it reaches 'the coast'. It doesn't folow littorally that the boundary on the sides of it is a coast. After all, it's not called Southampton Sea, is it?

The Gulf of Southampton 

Or it should be, anyway

[Stud mark of doom]

So , we have less than a week to come up with a new name for the South Coast derby? 

[Charlie Wayman]

1 hour ago, Wade Garrett said:

Hopefully not if our forwards are firing on all cylinders.

More chance of Western Shore being classified as an area of outstanding beauty.

Edited September 2 by Charlie Wayman

[Zorba]

50 minutes ago, Midfield_General said:

The Gulf of Southampton 

Or it should be, anyway

Wasn’t that the gap between us and any other Premier League team last season?

[Toussaint]

42 minutes ago, Stud mark of doom said:

So , we have less than a week to come up with a new name for the South Coast derby? 

Docklands derby?

[Verbal]

43 minutes ago, Stud mark of doom said:

So , we have less than a week to come up with a new name for the South Coast derby? 

No idea, but you have to work the term "littoral zone" in somehow. 

[Zorba]

47 minutes ago, Stud mark of doom said:

So , we have less than a week to come up with a new name for the South Coast derby? 

El Fishico

[badgerx16]

1 hour ago, spyinthesky said:

Next debating point. Could people go promenading or walk out to the sea on Wigan Pier????

The Road to Wigan Pier goes round the city centre one way system. At a pinch you might fall into the canal.

[Tommy Mulgrew]

2 hours ago, Whitey Grandad said:

littorally

Very good  👏

 

2 hours ago, Convict Colony said:

what we saying, King Canute never tried to push back the sea

He did not; he knew he could not: he used the incoming tide to demonstrate that his powers were limited.

[suewhistle]

5 hours ago, Patches O Houlihan said:

I have a degree in Geography from the University of Southampton, and have worked as a professional seafarer for more than 20 years. You'd best bring your 'A' game to this discussion!

That reminds me of a song:

Columbus he set sail to find out if the world was round,

He kept on sailing to the west until he ran aground,

He thought he'd found the Indies but he'd found the USA, 

I know some navigators who can still do that today..

 

The other issue we haven't really addressed is how wide the coastal strip is: do we count the area covered by coastal breezes? Ah sod it, I was always better at glaciation; bergschrunds, pingoes, kames, eskers, roche moutonnée, erratics..

How long have we got to wait for the next match??!

 

 

[East Kent Saint]

47 minutes ago, Tommy Mulgrew said:

Very good  👏

 

He did not; he knew he could not: he used the incoming tide to demonstrate that his powers were limited.

As usual the tabloid headlines said he was a total failure at holding back the tide which as usual was the opposite to the point he was making.

No doubt they pointed out he was the son of a Danish king who invaded Britain so an illegal imigrant who should be sent back even though he was an Anglo Saxon 😄

[Weston Super Saint]

3 hours ago, Midfield_General said:

The Gulf of Southampton 

Or it should be, anyway

Is that what they called the foot of the PL last season?

[trousers]

7 minutes ago, suewhistle said:

I've seen far worse drivel on here

 

[miserableoldgit]

2 hours ago, suewhistle said:

That reminds me of a song:

Columbus he set sail to find out if the world was round,

He kept on sailing to the west until he ran aground,

He thought he'd found the Indies but he'd found the USA, 

I know some navigators who can still do that today..

 

The other issue we haven't really addressed is how wide the coastal strip is: do we count the area covered by coastal breezes? Ah sod it, I was always better at glaciation; bergschrunds, pingoes, kames, eskers, roche moutonnée, erratics..

How long have we got to wait for the next match??!

 

 

Marching Inland...a great Tom Lewis song. I got a "missing" third verse for that song, from the man himself.

[Nolan]

15 hours ago, Patches O Houlihan said:

Is London on the coast?

Most people would say no - and yet the Thames in central London is definitely influenced by the tides - that's why Teddington Lock was built, which marks the change between the tidal river and the freshwater upper sections. 

In fact by that Britannica definition the Oxford & Cambridge boat race would be a coastal event...

I think we're both in agreement!

No London is not on the Coast hence why there are no Coastline Erosion risks from the government.

London, London | Shoreline Management Plans

Southampton has coastal erosion plans

Southampton, South East | Shoreline Management Plans

Southampton is situated on an Estuary, London is situated on a river.

[Patches O Houlihan]

2 hours ago, Nolan said:

No London is not on the Coast hence why there are no Coastline Erosion risks from the government.

London, London | Shoreline Management Plans

Southampton has coastal erosion plans

Southampton, South East | Shoreline Management Plans

Southampton is situated on an Estuary, London is situated on a river.

Firstly these are shoreline management plans that employ coastal erosion techniques and methods on the shorelines of the River Test and the River Itchen.

Even if you are talking about the Ocean Gate terminal at the southern tip of the city it is still flanked by the Rivers Test & Itchen; as mapped by the Ordnance Survey which has its head office in Southampton.

Secondly the plans you refer to are still employing these 'coastal techniques' at Woodmill Lane SO18 2JR approximately 3.5 statute miles down the River Itchen from the Itchen Bridge. 

Thirdly: Coast = where the land meets the SEA not a RIVER. If you asked an Oceanographer to name all the seas and oceans you wouldn't expect to see Southampton Water listed. The edges of Southampton Water are shorelines not coastlines.

@suewhistle would you like to check my homework please 😉

Note: I'm aware that the screenshot definitions are Wikipedia. But you'll find the Oxford English Dictionary supports these definitions and there doesn't appear to be a comprehensive free access dictionary of geographical terms. 

[Nolan]

I don't know when you degree was from but It sounds a bit like astrologists still calling Pluto a planet because it feels familiar, but it hasn't been recognised as a planet for years.

Definitions evolve. In planning and geomorphology, Southampton Water is a coastal estuary, and its management reflects that. The presence of river mouths doesn’t negate its coastal status. 

Edited September 3 by Nolan

[Patches O Houlihan]

3 minutes ago, Nolan said:

I don't know when you degree was from but It sounds a bit like astrologists still calling Pluto a planet because it feels familiar, but it hasn't been recognised as a planet for years.

Definitions evolve. In planning and geomorphology, Southampton Water is a coastal estuary, and its management reflects that. The presence of river mouths doesn’t negate its coastal status. 

So where does the coast finish as far as you are concerned?

[saintant]

1 minute ago, Patches O Houlihan said:

So where does the coast finish as far as you are concerned?

Maybe these discussions about 'the coast' could be moved to The Lounge.

[Patches O Houlihan]

1 minute ago, saintant said:

Maybe these discussions about 'the coast' could be moved to The Lounge.

No need. I'm done. We're into semantics.

[East Kent Saint]

5 minutes ago, Patches O Houlihan said:

So where does the coast finish as far as you are concerned?

At the point the ship goes over the edge of the flat earth , I swear I heard a Reform candidate say this .

[Nolan]

There’s no single line where the coast “finishes,” which is why designated planning areas are so useful. In planning terms, the coast ends where marine processes stop being relevant. That means areas no longer affected by tidal flooding, saline intrusion, or coastal erosion fall outside coastal planning frameworks.

Southampton qualifies as coastal because it sits on a tidal estuary directly connected to the Solent. It’s covered by Shoreline Management Plans and Coastal Change Management Areas, which are designed to manage risk from the sea.

London, by contrast, is inland. While the Thames is tidal through the city, it isn’t exposed to marine erosion or shoreline retreat. That’s why London is managed under fluvial flood zones, not coastal ones, and doesn’t have designated CCMAs.

 

[Saint Marky]

5 minutes ago, East Kent Saint said:

At the point the ship goes over the edge of the flat earth , I swear I heard a Reform candidate say this .

‘Flat earth, is that a new discovery and if so how much can we tax it’ I swear was the reply from the labour candidate.

[Patches O Houlihan]

11 minutes ago, Nolan said:

There’s no single line where the coast “finishes,” which is why designated planning areas are so useful. In planning terms, the coast ends where marine processes stop being relevant. That means areas no longer affected by tidal flooding, saline intrusion, or coastal erosion fall outside coastal planning frameworks.

Southampton qualifies as coastal because it sits on a tidal estuary directly connected to the Solent. It’s covered by Shoreline Management Plans and Coastal Change Management Areas, which are designed to manage risk from the sea.

London, by contrast, is inland. While the Thames is tidal through the city, it isn’t exposed to marine erosion or shoreline retreat. That’s why London is managed under fluvial flood zones, not coastal ones, and doesn’t have designated CCMAs.

So for you a city is coastal if it has a salt water planning regime.

For me I discount a city as being coastal if it is has rivers on both sides and shipping has been 'constrained by draft' and 'restricted in ability to manoeuvre' for more than half an hour before reaching it. 

I'm happy to get back to discussing transfers if you are. 

[saintant]

18 minutes ago, Nolan said:

There’s no single line where the coast “finishes,” which is why designated planning areas are so useful. In planning terms, the coast ends where marine processes stop being relevant. That means areas no longer affected by tidal flooding, saline intrusion, or coastal erosion fall outside coastal planning frameworks.

Southampton qualifies as coastal because it sits on a tidal estuary directly connected to the Solent. It’s covered by Shoreline Management Plans and Coastal Change Management Areas, which are designed to manage risk from the sea.

London, by contrast, is inland. While the Thames is tidal through the city, it isn’t exposed to marine erosion or shoreline retreat. That’s why London is managed under fluvial flood zones, not coastal ones, and doesn’t have designated CCMAs.

 

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[AlexLaw76]