Tonda Eckert

[revolution saint]

23 minutes ago, EssEffCee said:

I don't see why anyone gives a shit whether we're liked by other clubs or not?

I literally couldn't care less. Leave that noddyness to the skates.

Yeah, there's loads to be annoyed about over this whole thing but the opinion of other fans or a vapid media circus made up of opinions for hire journalists and bad YouTube muppets is the least of my concerns.  

[Saint Marky]

That’s enough for me now, I’m done with this fucking shambles of a club. Anyone know when the season tickets go on sale?

[saintant]

2 hours ago, Sheaf Saint said:

As anyone who has ever worked in management will know, you can't just give someone their marching orders on the spot. The usual process would be to suspend them, pending a disciplinary hearing where they have a right to be accompanied (by a union rep, for example).

Having said that, wasn't he only on a short term contract until the end of this season anyway?

I'm pretty sure you can sack someone on the spot for gross misconduct. Of course they'll have a right to appeal.

[woodsaint1]

40 minutes ago, S-Clarke said:

How can you say that? Sadly I think this is the view the people at the club are taking too, and it's wrong.

The club are bound by all EFL rules at the start of every season, it's part of the clubs 'share' when they come into the league. They should be aware of all the rules as part of the agreement with the league, so not knowing the rules is the weakest defence they could have actually presented. And the fact this is what they presented is one of the most embarrassing elements.

I say that because we dont know all the facts. I agree it is a very weak defence, and yes the manager should be aware of all rules - but as you say it is shared at the start of the season i.e. when Will Still was in charge. I'm sure whatever internal investigation the club is running will find out. 

It will likely not matter when the FA bans Tonda for 3/6/9/12 months and maybe another reason why the club will wait for the outcome of that

Edited 1 hour ago by woodsaint1

[ally_uk]

Meh I've slept on it, if the players want to continue with Tonda so be it, few wins next season and this whole saga will be old news..... 

Everyone will soon pipe down if we are chasing the playoffs 🤣

[sockeye]

So he’s done it his whole career then, and flew too close to the sun then. I’d think he’s learnt his lesson and won’t be pulling this again. Club statement today?

[Lord Duckhunter]

I do feel a bit sorry for the bloke, you have to remember he’s a young man himself given a massive opportunity very early in his career. I’ve no doubt he knew it was illegal in England, but I imagine he thought the consequences would be worth the risk, and won’t have dreamed it would blow up in his face. 
 

He was clearly good for this group of players & if it was him who decided to ditch Baz & AA, get some strong personalities through the door, then that’s a massive tick.

However, the job someone faces this summer isn’t the same job, and I’m not sure asking the arsonist in to clear up the fire can really work. It will be a new group of players, with new leadership needed & a kind drawn under the whole sorry affair. Personally I don’t thin it will help anyone if there’s a media circus for the first month of the season, every press conference, every after match interview, he’ll be asked or called a cheat. Every away game, bile will pour down at him & his players. His position is untenable, it’s as simple as that. 

[saintant]

1 hour ago, trousers said:

Totally... Solak should have been in a radio studio ASAP yesterday... Yes, I get that he had to speak to players / staff first... But there's enough f***ing hours in the day to have a meeting and an interview....

Sport Republic have previous when it comes to 'going to ground' in moments of adversity (ref: Spors ducking out of planned interviews during the Will Still debacle) so it's hardly surprising they're cowering away in their bunkers right now...

Agree and he's a mate of Jim White so why isn't he on Talk Sport facing up to what's gone on and giving his opinions?

[Ken Tone]

If the FA ban Eckert, does that apply just to England, or to Europe, or worldwide football? Could he get a job straight away in Germany for example? 

[Paul_B]

3 hours ago, Midfield_General said:

Being thrown out of the play-offs, potentially losing £200m, getting a 4 point deduction, being found unanimously guilty by an independent panel, being found unanimously guilty by an appeal panel, having individuals investigated and almost certainly charged by the FA, being vilified in the world's media and it probably leading to the decimation of our management, coaching and playing staff would suggest that ‘but it’s not cheating!!!11!’ isn’t a view that’s widely shared. 

And ‘thorough and conscientious’ aren’t the words that spring to mind when I read the facts of how he and his crack team went about their brilliant plan, personally. Putting the rights and wrongs of it aside, the whole thing was staggeringly amateurish and inept from start to finish. He's a fucking moron, and so is everyone who enabled him. 

I normally agree with a lot of what you say MG, but I guess this is the beauty of people seeing things in different ways. 

This whole saga smacks to me of a sappy gen Z intern with zero character who has been told to go and do some homework on the oppo teams. Tonda has probably given his words of wisdom from his, seemingly, years of experience, the intern doesn't like it so feels like he's being "bullied" so gets himself "caught" and the whole thing blows up. I could well be wrong but that's my take on it.

[redandwhitey]

 Just a thought, wtf has the assistant coach we pulled in around January been doing ? Wasn’t his experience and knowledge of the English game crucial to Tondas education? Surely he should have been advising against spying ??

[Sarnia Cherie]

The report in my newspaper this morning makes for depressing reading. At the inquiry it came out that Eckert instigated spying on other teams when he became our manager. Despite him originally lying to the panel it was proved that he had used that information to find out formations, set pieces and the squad available. He put pressure on Salt to spy on teams and when he refused to go to Ipswich, another intern was sent. The report said that interns felt they had little choice but follow Eckert's orders. I hope the FA throw the book at him and SR boot him out of our club without a penny piece. 

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[LegalEagle]

4 minutes ago, Ken Tone said:

If the FA ban Eckert, does that apply just to England, or to Europe, or worldwide football? Could he get a job straight away in Germany for example? 

I believe that the FA’s jurisdiction is only England and Wales. So he could go to Scotland I believe. We could do a swap with Rangers.

[Whitey Grandad]

1 minute ago, Sarnia Cherie said:

The report in my newspaper this morning makes for depressing reading. At the inquiry it came out that Eckert instigated spying on other teams when he became our manager. Despite him originally lying to the panel it was proved that he had used that information to find out formations, set pieces and the squad available. He put pressure on Salt to spy on teams and when he refused to go to Ipswich, another intern was sent. The report said that interns felt they had little choice to follow Eckert's orders. I hope the FA throw the book at him and SR boot him out of our club without a penny piece. 

Ipswich were training at Eastleigh's ground. He could have walked there.

[LegalEagle]

1 minute ago, Sarnia Cherie said:

The report in my newspaper this morning makes for depressing reading. At the inquiry it came out that Eckert instigated spying on other teams when he became our manager. Despite him originally lying to the panel it was proved that he had used that information to find out formations, set pieces and the squad available. He put pressure on Salt to spy on teams and when he refused to go to Ipswich, another intern was sent. The report said that interns felt they had little choice to follow Eckert's orders. I hope the FA throw the book at him and SR boot him out of our club without a penny piece. 

My fear here is that the club are going to wait doing anything to Tonda until the FA enquiry is over and they ban him. They will then use that as an excuse to sack him with no more monies being paid. If they sack him now they might feel they have to pay him off. If that is the case it could delay things by weeks. The club might also be thinking that the FA won’t ban him and we keep him on. Either way I suspect this won’t happen quickly.

[EssEffCee]

8 minutes ago, Ken Tone said:

If the FA ban Eckert, does that apply just to England, or to Europe, or worldwide football? Could he get a job straight away in Germany for example? 

England only (well anything in FA's jurisdiction so would include the Welsh clubs).

I think they could ask FIFA to extend it worldwide though.

[tdmickey3]

1 minute ago, LegalEagle said:

My fear here is that the club are going to wait doing anything to Tonda until the FA enquiry is over and they ban him. They will then use that as an excuse to sack him with no more monies being paid. If they sack him now they might feel they have to pay him off. If that is the case it could delay things by weeks. The club might also be thinking that the FA won’t ban him and we keep him on. Either way I suspect this won’t happen quickly.

Gardening leave

[Paul_B]

3 hours ago, Hawkswood said:

I agree with most of what youre saying but Im not sure what on earth wokism has to do with it.

Just seen this. Probably the wrong word to be fair. What I'm trying to say is I feel like the young intern lad could be one of these delicate gen Z'ers with no character and is claiming "bullying" against Tonda et al as he maybe he didn't like what he was being asked to do. I could be doing him a disservice but just a theory based on what I've read/heard.

[Viking Saint]

3 hours ago, LegalEagle said:

Fair point. Just one thought on that though. Southampton have always been seen as a family friendly, nice, provincial club that looks after its people. We often get bracketed with clubs like Norwich and Ipswich. And that’s all good and other clubs and their fans like us and respect us save for that lot down the road. But now being 57 years old and having supported Saints for well over 50 years and my Dad, Grandad and Great Grandad before, it would be bloody nice to win something. If that means having to sacrifice even to a small degree some of that niceness then I’d take it. Just one trophy. It’s the hope that kills but also keeps you coming back for more.

This has crossed my mind quite a lot as well. How often have we, on this forum, described our own team as too nice and a 'team of son-in-laws'? I don't mind having some edge and aggro to us and for coming to SMS to stop being such a pleasant experience for away teams and fans.

[Wade Garrett]

13 minutes ago, Sarnia Cherie said:

The report in my newspaper this morning makes for depressing reading. At the inquiry it came out that Eckert instigated spying on other teams when he became our manager. Despite him originally lying to the panel it was proved that he had used that information to find out formations, set pieces and the squad available. He put pressure on Salt to spy on teams and when he refused to go to Ipswich, another intern was sent. The report said that interns felt they had little choice but follow Eckert's orders. I hope the FA throw the book at him and SR boot him out of our club without a penny piece. 

He really is a piece of work.  

[sockeye]

2 minutes ago, Paul_B said:

Just seen this. Probably the wrong word to be fair. What I'm trying to say is I feel like the young intern lad could be one of these delicate gen Z'ers with no character and is claiming "bullying" against Tonda et al as he maybe he didn't like what he was being asked to do. I could be doing him a disservice but just a theory based on what I've read/heard.

Not really fair on him. He’s a young lad, just starting his career, being pressured into acts that could result in an FA sanction against him and have already made him a joke in the media. Unlike Eckert, the players and Parsons he can’t just fall sideways into a new job.

[Wade Garrett]

10 minutes ago, LegalEagle said:

My fear here is that the club are going to wait doing anything to Tonda until the FA enquiry is over and they ban him. They will then use that as an excuse to sack him with no more monies being paid. If they sack him now they might feel they have to pay him off. If that is the case it could delay things by weeks. The club might also be thinking that the FA won’t ban him and we keep him on. Either way I suspect this won’t happen quickly.

Judging by his actions and how he handled the enquiry it’s too much to hope that he does the honourable thing and resigns.

[Viking Saint]

If he was managing anywhere other than in the Championship, L1 or L2, and been getting these results, he'd be getting hailed as an absolute fucking genius.