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1 minute ago, Midfield_General said:

No no no, he cried in front of the cameras, that's what really matters and we should all just lay off him because he's such a super dooper guy who bleeds red and white you know, he's feeling it just as much as we do and is just so determined to put it right like he would if he was in a trench in WW1 which is exactly the same as getting paid £40k a week to kick a football around

In partial defence of Jack, he's been in an environment where this response to adversity has become normalised. That doesn't mean he can't learn new responses in a better environment.

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35 minutes ago, coalman said:

In partial defence of Jack, he's been in an environment where this response to adversity has become normalised. That doesn't mean he can't learn new responses in a better environment.

I'd argue that, as captain for most of that time, it was very much his responsibility to stop that from happening, which he utterly failed to do. He was meant to be a leader but has shown no proper leadership at all. He's a perfect symbol of the massive decline in standards in all areas of the club under SR, a massive part of the problem, and needs to go along with Manning, Downes, THB and all the other arrogant, entitled, failures who have been stinking the place out for way too long. Sick of the lot of them. 

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Do think its a bit mad that the club hasn't used this window to address the manager position... If Eckert really is the best they can attract then we're really in the mire...

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1 hour ago, Midfield_General said:

I'd argue that, as captain for most of that time, it was very much his responsibility to stop that from happening, which he utterly failed to do. He was meant to be a leader but has shown no proper leadership at all. He's a perfect symbol of the massive decline in standards in all areas of the club under SR, a massive part of the problem, and needs to go along with Manning, Downes, THB and all the other arrogant, entitled, failures who have been stinking the place out for way too long. Sick of the lot of them. 

Don't get me wrong I would want my captain to speak up. I also think that Jack's new contract was a clear signal of Still and Spors unsuitability.

However, I've also seen that people can change behaviour as a culture changes. Only a small number of people are capable of driving a culture change. Some will actively oppose it it but the majority will happily adapt if they are shown there's a better way. To often extraordinary outcomes.

I don't see Jack turning into a different footballer but I do see him as a player that could be valuable for the squad.

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33 minutes ago, coalman said:

I don't see Jack turning into a different footballer but I do see him as a player that could be valuable for the squad.

I think the time to show his value to the squad as come and gone. He's been at the club for 14/15 years, and some of our worst times have been under his 'leadership'.

If we're honest, he's only the captain because he's been here the longest, and maybe because he pumps and waves his arms more than the rest of the meek lot we have. It's certainly not for bollocking players when needed, or marshalling the back line, as a center half captain should. 

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3 hours ago, Themotherfunky said:

It's certainly not for bollocking players when needed, or marshalling the back line, as a center half captain should. 

Or, apparently, setting a leadership example in the dressing room which is quite clearly a mess.

At best he's not helping sort it, and at worst he's an active part of it. The opposite of what a captain should be doing. 

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4 hours ago, coalman said:

Don't get me wrong I would want my captain to speak up. I also think that Jack's new contract was a clear signal of Still and Spors unsuitability.

However, I've also seen that people can change behaviour as a culture changes. Only a small number of people are capable of driving a culture change. Some will actively oppose it it but the majority will happily adapt if they are shown there's a better way. To often extraordinary outcomes.

I don't see Jack turning into a different footballer but I do see him as a player that could be valuable for the squad.

Yeah, we need all the ball watchers we can pack into our penalty area.

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This thread is basically redundant. No manager with any sense would take on this squad as it is today.  Maybe, if and when Charles and Stewart get fit,  things will look marginally better.

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Even though he often plays 3-4-2-1, if I were SR I would still be looking at someone like Challinor - he's an "unproven mananger", and he's got a smaller reputation - it feels like the sort of stature we tend to go for (rather than big or established names).

They got a 1-0 win over Huddersfield today, meaning Stockport leapfrog them up to 4th and only 6points off the autos... (I.e., he's once again on course to maintain his incredible record of at least finishing in playoff spaces as a manager (the bare minimum for saints)... And regardless, I would argue it's basically impossible for him to do worse than the likes of Still, Eckert, Selles, Jones, Juric at saints 🥴, or indeed any other mananger sports republic might pick. It's truly mental how much money we've spent on players and hiring/sacking shit managers that have basically achieved sod all between them and often don't even know the English game - most important job in the club is getting in a tactically good manager 🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️.

He was getting linked to the Sunderland job the year they went up, it really is only a matter of time before he moves to a champ job (and probably to a club above us in the pyramid the way we're going under SR... Or maybe he'll be above us with Stockport in 1 year time).

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Just someone who had a stellar playing career and has managerial experience rather than laptop wankers that have never played the game or lower league managers that have no experience beyond league 1.

It’s not fucking rocket science but won’t happen because all SR wants are puppets to control.  Bunch of useless arrogant cunts that they are.

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22 minutes ago, die Mannyschaft said:

New manager before Hull game or even no manager at all will do me. I've had enough of garbage sideways and back stupidity. Fuck robot data football. 

Agree Manny. Today was appalling, again. We need a proper manager (manager not "coach") who is actually in charge.  

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On 08/01/2026 at 21:22, Andy Hill said:

This thread is basically redundant. No manager with any sense would take on this squad as it is today.  Maybe, if and when Charles and Stewart get fit,  things will look marginally better.

You don’t need sense to manage Saints - just a hipster qualification of some kind and a desire to get rich quick.

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