Iran

[Lighthouse]

All getting a bit spicy now. Will the governments brutal butchering of their own citizens have the desired effect or simply stir up more anger and uprising?

[Holmes_and_Watson]

I can't imagine how their regime can survive in the face of the UN response.

UN Secretary-General António Guterres said on Sunday that he was "shocked by reports of violence and excessive use of force by the Iranian authorities against protesters resulting in deaths and injuries in recent days".

"I want to emphasise that regardless of the death toll, the use of lethal force by security forces is concerning," Mai Sato, the UN Special Rapporteur on the situation of human rights in the Islamic Republic of Iran, told BBC Persian.

"shocked" and "concerning." Just a matter of time before it's over.

[AlexLaw76]

Our great and the good in Westminster are all relatively quiet on this.

Weird

[badgerx16]

Another civil war on the way ?

[bpsaint]

51 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

Our great and the good in Westminster are all relatively quiet on this.

Weird

Doesn’t fit with the pro Islam narrative of Starmer and co.

[whelk]

5 minutes ago, bpsaint said:

Doesn’t fit with the pro Islam narrative of Starmer and co.

lol

[Sir Ralph]

Lot of blue haired student and those who so fervently supported Palestine, as well as deafly silence from Starmer, completely quiet on Iran. Doesn’t fit their  “morals” or maybe its an ok type of oppression 

Edited 1 hour ago by Sir Ralph

[badgerx16]

14 minutes ago, Sir Ralph said:

Lot of blue haired student and those who so fervently supported Palestine, as well as deafly silence from Starmer, completely quiet on Iran. Doesn’t fit their  “morals” or maybe its an ok type of oppression 

Countries around the World oppress their populations. Other than words, such as his joint statement with France and Germany, what do you expect from Starmer ? Are you as concerned for the people of Myanmar ? The Gaza situation was a military invasion of another territory, literally crushing the civilians living there and their homes, so easier to categorise.

Should we invade Iran and repeat the mistakes of previous interventions ?

Edited 1 hour ago by badgerx16

[Sir Ralph]

19 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

Countries around the World oppress their populations. Other than words, such as his joint statement with France and Germany, what do you expect from Starmer ? Are you as concerned for the people of Myanmar ? The Gaza situation was a military invasion of another territory, literally crushing the civilians living there and their homes, so easier to categorise.

Should we invade Iran and repeat the mistakes of previous interventions ?

It’s not my concern that matters but yes I am concerned about the people of Myanmar as what has happened to them is pretty awful splitting families up for decades on end.

When did I say we should invade them? We are silent as if a neutral party. Geo politically Iran is a much bigger matter as it is a sworn enemy of the west. I find it strange that you would defend the government for staying quiet on this (they are now being criticised in the press) and the blue haired protesters as their empathy is obviously only relevant to some countries.  The latter is probably because they are anti the west.

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[badgerx16]

1 minute ago, Sir Ralph said:

It’s not my concern that matters but yes I am concerned about the people of Myanmar as what has happened to them is pretty awful splitting families up for decades on end.

Geo politically Iran is a much bigger matter as it is a sworn enemy of the west. I find it strange that you would defend the government for staying quiet on this (they are now being criticised in the press) and the blue haired protesters as their empathy is obviously only relevant to some countries.  The latter is probably because they are anti the west.

I haven't defended anybody, I asked what else you would want from them.

[Sir Ralph]

18 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

I haven't defended anybody, I asked what else you would want from them.

I haven’t seen much publicly from  the government in terms of strong statements at that. The joint statement was pretty weak. Maybe I’ve missed other key statements so genuinely happy to be corrected.

They could ban the IRGC and put sanctions / seize assets on key political Iranians. Do something to show how important this issue is globally. I appreciate we aren’t that important in the world but it’s about being vocal on our position rather than a single generic statement. The protestors could get up off their couches. Other posters on here and parts of the media are commenting on the governments silence, it’s not just me

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[sadoldgit]

Two questions to Ralph.

1. What have you got against blue hair?

2. Why don’t you show the same concern about Donald Trump’s administration killing their own citizens?

(Shouldn't you be calling for the UN to take greater action? Isn’t it their job?)

Edited 46 minutes ago by sadoldgit

[benjii]

1 hour ago, Sir Ralph said:

Lot of blue haired student and those who so fervently supported Palestine, as well as deafly silence from Starmer, completely quiet on Iran. Doesn’t fit their  “morals” or maybe its an ok type of oppression 

I guess they would say that we don't arm or support Iran.

[Sir Ralph]

4 minutes ago, benjii said:

I guess they would say that we don't arm or support Iran.

Fair distinction-I do find them usually quiet though. 

Edited 42 minutes ago by Sir Ralph

[benjii]

The people of Iran are extremely brave, but I don't see them completing a revolution quickly or without huge human cost, unless there is significant foreign intervention and pressure.

Even if the regular army of Iran turns against the mullahs and the IRGC, they are likely to be outfought. The IRGC controls around 40% of Iran's economy and is significantly better armed and trained.

The US is not going to put boots on the ground, so I think the strategy will be to threaten IRGC regional commanders / sites with bombs if they go too far. In parallel, US and Israel will execute plans to attack nuclear infrastructure again if it is back on track, whilst also pursuing Houthis and Hezbolah.

[benjii]

But, of course, that could all change! 🤪

[badgerx16]