Saints Charged With Spying on Mboro Training

[revolution saint]

Have saints done a “Pitchside Unseen” video for the game.yet?

 

[Fabrice29]

1 hour ago, trousers said:

Yep... Adam Blackmore not tweeted anything for two days... Make of that what you will...

The lack of narrative control the club have sought via the local media on this is odd and for me is the biggest sign of their guilt.

Edited 4 hours ago by Fabrice29

[Holmes_and_Watson]

1 minute ago, revolution saint said:

Have saints done a “Pitchside Unseen” video for the game.yet?

 

Confiscated by MI5 as part of ongoing investigations.

[Willo of Whiteley]

Boro will be even more insufferable now in wanting us out and for them to get let through to the final.

[Killers Knee]

 

 

[Graffito]

18 minutes ago, Fabrice29 said:

The lack of narrative control the club have sought via the local media on this is odd and for me is the biggest sign of their guilt.

Saints have an important match to win. That’s the only thing that matters right now.

[Willo of Whiteley]

28 minutes ago, Fabrice29 said:

The lack of narrative control the club have sought via the local media on this is odd and for me is the biggest sign of their guilt.

What do you want them to do?

There’s a game tomorrow; and you want to engage with tabloid gossip which could hinder rather than help.

I would say today the media frenzy has changed direction, why add fuel to the fire?

I’s rather the club shut up than engage in slanging matches through the media.

[Saint NL]

 

 

[The Wyvern]

Can anyone tell me why the punishment given to Leeds isn't a precedent?

They were found guilty having done the same thing we have, so why is the punishment not the precedent to follow for us?
Bringing in a new law doesn't change that in my opinion, as the offence was already punishable when Leeds were caught. 

[Fabrice29]

48 minutes ago, Graffito said:

Saints have an important match to win. That’s the only thing that matters right now.

 

38 minutes ago, Willo of Whiteley said:

What do you want them to do?

There’s a game tomorrow; and you want to engage with tabloid gossip which could hinder rather than help.

I would say today the media frenzy has changed direction, why add fuel to the fire?

I’s rather the club shut up than engage in slanging matches through the media.

Come on now. It’s not the only thing that matters and isn’t tabloid gossip. It’s a very serious charge. And unless they have been drafted onto spying duties I don’t think the media/pr team are otherwise engaged on prepping the team for tomorrow’s match.

What I would expect them to do is what they always do and put out messages unofficially via the local media, if of course they had a message to be put out. Given they haven’t, and in fact they have seemingly let Blackmore especially go quite hard on them without pushing back, I can only assume they are reasonably content with the narrative and some of the details being put out there, which suggests it’s not all bullshit. 

Edited 3 hours ago by Fabrice29

[BarberSaint]

1 hour ago, revolution saint said:

Have saints done a “Pitchside Unseen” video for the game.yet?

 

No just a training session seen video.

[Saint_clark]

9 minutes ago, Fabrice29 said:

 

Come on now. It’s not the only thing that matters and isn’t tabloid gossip. It’s a very serious charge. And unless they have been drafted onto spying duties I don’t think the media/pr team are otherwise engaged on prepping the team for tomorrow’s match.

What I would expect them to do is what they always do and put out messages unofficially via the local media, if of course they had a message to be put out. Given they haven’t, and in fact they have seemingly let Blackmore especially go quite hard on them without pushing back, I can only assume they are reasonably content with the narrative and some of the details being put out there, which suggests it’s not all bullshit. 

To be fair you assume they haven't pushed back against Blackmore but he went hard on them and now has gone completely silent. That seems to me like they HAVE pushed back.

[Willo of Whiteley]

10 minutes ago, Fabrice29 said:

 

Come on now. It’s not the only thing that matters and isn’t tabloid gossip. It’s a very serious charge. And unless they have been drafted onto spying duties I don’t think the media/pr team are otherwise engaged on prepping the team for tomorrow’s match.

What I would expect them to do is what they always do and put out messages unofficially via the local media, if of course they had a message to be put out. Given they haven’t, and in fact they have seemingly let Blackmore especially go quite hard on them without pushing back, I can only assume they are reasonably content with the narrative and some of the details being put out there, which suggests it’s not all bullshit. 

And maybe they are content with the narrative, maybe they’re content that there is sufficient evidence against them and the best thing to do now for the club AND THE TEAM is not to rock the boat further.

Maybe the best way forward is to take the punishment and shut up, the less you say the less engagement with the media. Hardly rocket science.

Honestly find it baffling how you don’t see that, and would rather have a social media/tabloid rampage on the eve of the biggest game of the season.

The only people talking about it today are Boro fans. National media has moved on. You don’t add fuel to a fire that is slowly going out.

[Fabrice29]

1 minute ago, Willo of Whiteley said:

And maybe they are content with the narrative, maybe they’re content that there is sufficient evidence against them and the best thing to do now for the club AND THE TEAM is not to rock the boat further.

Maybe the best way forward is to take the punishment and shut up, the less you say the less engagement with the media. Hardly rocket science.

Honestly find it baffling how you don’t see that, and would rather have a social media/tabloid rampage on the eve of the biggest game of the season.

The only people talking about it today are Boro fans. National media has moved on. You don’t add fuel to a fire that is slowly going out.

I do see that and that’s why I said I find it the biggest sign of their guilt. Thanks for reading.

[Legoman]

2 minutes ago, Fabrice29 said:

I do see that and that’s why I said I find it the biggest sign of their guilt. Thanks for reading.

I see it more as the club retaining a measured response as and when appropriate to do so rather than adding more speculation to the hysteria being whipped up by Boro and their supporting media 

[Saint Fan CaM]

Seen a story that it was an intern working for Saints but that his actions were entirely his own initiative to try to impress. Sounds feasible.

[Willo of Whiteley]

18 minutes ago, Legoman said:

I see it more as the club retaining a measured response as and when appropriate to do so rather than adding more speculation to the hysteria being whipped up by Boro and their supporting media 

This entirely, the club arguably are now being more professional than the reaction (from Boro) on the actual event.

[The Kraken]

54 minutes ago, The Wyvern said:

Can anyone tell me why the punishment given to Leeds isn't a precedent?

They were found guilty having done the same thing we have, so why is the punishment not the precedent to follow for us?
Bringing in a new law doesn't change that in my opinion, as the offence was already punishable when Leeds were caught. 

Leeds weren’t ‘found guilty’ of anything. At the time they got caught of their spying, there wasn’t an official rule in the football league that actually forbade it. After that the football league introduced that rule.

so, Leeds were caught being a bit sly. Then a rule was enforced. Then, it seems, we broke that rule.

That is why Leeds aren’t a precedent.

[Saint_clark]

12 minutes ago, The Kraken said:

Leeds weren’t ‘found guilty’ of anything. At the time they got caught of their spying, there wasn’t an official rule in the football league that actually forbade it. After that the football league introduced that rule.

so, Leeds were caught being a bit sly. Then a rule was enforced. Then, it seems, we broke that rule.

That is why Leeds aren’t a precedent.

Don't rules of a competition usually set out what the punishment is beforehand? 

[The Kraken]

1 minute ago, Saint_clark said:

Don't rules of a competition usually set out what the punishment is beforehand? 

Do they?

what have the rules of the football league set out about what we did? Apart from that it’s against the rules.

[Saint86]

3 hours ago, trousers said:

Moving on...

 

 

https://maps.app.goo.gl/gDm1DSAn1hBacMTG6?g_st=ac

Now I'm not saying anyone should do this... but there does happen to be plenty of bushes and a convenient hill to the immediate north west corner of their training ground, right by what looks like the main pitch 👀

Equally though, if a team were prepared to pay fines (ala Leeds), they could just offer a fair wedge to one of the overlooking home owners instead, and then set up a professional recording studio in a bedroom etc that overlooks the pitch? As far as I'm aware, the training ground staff wouldn't be able to break into a property to challenge any covert operatives... These teams really do need to start thinking about security 🤷🕵️‍

Edited 1 hour ago by Saint86

[Dark Munster]

2 hours ago, The Kraken said:

Leeds weren’t ‘found guilty’ of anything. At the time they got caught of their spying, there wasn’t an official rule in the football league that actually forbade it. After that the football league introduced that rule.

so, Leeds were caught being a bit sly. Then a rule was enforced. Then, it seems, we broke that rule.

That is why Leeds aren’t a precedent.

Agreed. As an example, decades ago Leicester spent like drunken sailors and went into administration, without punishment. After that administration meant being docked 10 or more points, even though Leicester got away with it originally. That being said, the no spying rule with 72 hours doesn't specify the type of punishment (unlike administration), so any point deduction, or even worse awarding the tie to Boro, would result in the shit hitting the fan.