January 2027 transfer window

[Chez]

8 hours ago, Saint Fan CaM said:

Don’t think a loan striker is the answer - has to be perm and someone decent who has a point to prove by getting promoted.

Someone being loaned out will have a point to prove and a desire to play well and get a move to a promoted Southampton, hopefully. Larin was the answer last January.

[Disco Stu]

52 minutes ago, VectisSaint said:

He was out for much of last season after having surgery on his achilles tendon, has only just come back into contention. Not exactly niggles. Don't actually think he's particularly good but more than adequate now as backup for Bree. Far more critical areas to improve than RB.

A seperate but important point made.

45 minutes ago, Turkish said:

Rorslev has been fit all season as other people have told you. When was zero availability = to being available for every game this season?
 

As for square pegs in round holes Zac Abbott was good enough to play at right back in an FA Cup semi final v Man City but not good enough to play there in the championship 😂😂😂

how many specialist players for each position do you think we need? 

And despite a pre-season, he's been deemed either unavailable, in no fit condition or simply not good enough for the bench in all but two of those games. When Bree couldn't play, it was Abbott that was put there. Not "fit all season" Roerslev.

Forest spent the vast majority of that semi-final defending their box. We won't set-up to play many games like that this season.

Abbott may have the defensive capability required of a full back but he doesn't have the offensive capability. He isn't a natural right back at all. He's a square peg. We saw how he struggled at right back in our system against Norwich.

I want a back up centre forward that means we're not forced to play a different system in Larin's absence.

I want a fit and available back up right back we can rely on that allows the same.

Edited 10 hours ago by Disco Stu

[Turkish]

8 minutes ago, Disco Stu said:

A seperate but important point made.

And despite a pre-season, he's been deemed either unavailable, in no fit condition or simply not good enough for the bench in all but two of those games.

Forest spent the vast majority of that semi-final defending their box. We won't set-up to play many games like that this season.

Abbott may have the defensive capability required of a full back but he doesn't have the offensive capability. He isn't a natural right back at all. He's a square peg. We saw how he struggled at right back in our system against Norwich.

I want a back up centre forward that means we're not forced to play a different system in Larin's absence.

I want a fit and available back up right back we can rely on that allows the same.

So theyve got to have played over 100 premier league games, never get injured, be an international, got to be good defensively and attacking and now they have to come from a club which dominates the ball. All to be back up to Bree. Best start looking at the Football Manager database to find this one.

[CB Fry]

The club should only sign players who are definitely going to be brilliant. Absolutely shameful we are unable to do this basic task.

[Disco Stu]

7 minutes ago, Turkish said:

So theyve got to have played over 100 premier league games, never get injured, be an international, got to be good defensively and attacking and now they have to come from a club which dominates the ball. All to be back up to Bree. Best start looking at the Football Manager database to find this one.

 

1 hour ago, Disco Stu said:

You have put words in my mouth. You claimed my criteria was for a full international with over 100 Premier League appearances. I didn't say that did I? That's putting words in my mouth.

I haven't moved any goalposts. Square pegs in round holes do not count as depth. Roerslev can't stay fit so for the majority of the time, we have zero depth at right back.

You're putting words in my mouth again. Just a natural right back with good availability will do 👍 

Edited 10 hours ago by Disco Stu

[Turkish]

11 minutes ago, Disco Stu said:

 

You're putting words in my mouth again. Just a natural right back with good availability will do 👍 

Im not putting words in your mouth, you quite clearly said our current right back cover isnt good enough despite being available for selection all season and having played almost 100 premier league games. So we're looking for an improvement on that. They also must come from a team used to dominating games as someone who is just a good defender isnt going to be good enough going forward. So we're really looking for a player from top 6 premier league club who tick all those boxes. Rico Lewis maybe? With Man Citys problems maybe he'd fancy coming here as cover for Bree.

Edited 10 hours ago by Turkish

[Chez]

4 minutes ago, Disco Stu said:

 

You're putting words in my mouth again. Just a natural right back with good availability will do 👍 

Unless Roeslev wants game time and is willing to go out on loan, we are probably not signing a right back.

From a numbers point of view, the squad is full and balanced. If we sign someone, then players would probably need to depart. 

[Disco Stu]

11 minutes ago, Turkish said:

Im not putting words in your mouth, you quite clearly said our current right back cover isnt good enough despite being available for selection all season and having played almost 100 premier league games. So we're looking for an improvement on that. They also must come from a team used to dominating games as someone who is just a good defender isnt going to be good enough going forward. So we're really looking for a player from top 6 premier league club who tick all those boxes. Rico Lewis maybe? With Man Citys problems maybe he'd fancy coming here as cover for Bree.

You are putting words in my mouth. When did I say my criteria was for a full international with over 100 Premier League appearances?

They don't have to come from a team dominating games. I didn't say that either. I'm saying it takes a very specific type of game for a centre half to not look like a fish out of water in that position. We won't set up to protect our box for 90 minutes many times this season if at all.

When Bree couldn't play, it was Abbott that was put there. Not "fit all season" Roerslev. An improvement would be a natural right back that can slot in whenever they're needed.

Edited 10 hours ago by Disco Stu

[Turkish]

3 minutes ago, Disco Stu said:

You are putting words in my mouth. When did I say my criteria was for a full international with over 100 Premier League appearances? 

When Bree couldn't play, it was Abbott that was put there. Not "fit all season" Roerslev. An improvement would be a right back that can slot in whenever they're needed.

Because our current one is a full international with almost 100 premier league appearances. Surely you want better, not worse? 

[Disco Stu]

19 minutes ago, Turkish said:

Because our current one is a full international with almost 100 premier league appearances. Surely you want better, not worse? 

Better to me means availablity.

I also think there are right backs in this division and beyond that don't match Roerslev's 100+ premier league appearances and single cap but are better players. James Bree being one. I think you're putting a little too much credence to that point. We don't need to find someone with the same CV.

They of course don't have to be the same level as Bree to be decent cover. Availablity is key.

Edited 9 hours ago by Disco Stu

[Midfield_General]

22 minutes ago, Disco Stu said:

Better to me means availablity.

I also think there are right backs in this division and beyond that don't match Roerslev's 100+ premier league appearances and single cap but are better players. James Bree being one. So I think you're putting a little too much credence to that point. We don't need to find someone with the same CV.

But they of course don't have to be the same level as Bree to be decent cover. Availablity is key.

OK let’s forget the Danish international and the FA Cup semi finalist and go deeper into our paper thin squad. 

How about a full England international with 433 Premier League appearances, who has barely missed a game through injury throughout his career, who has played right back multiple times at PL level and who when playing in that position had Zaha in his pocket more than once when Zaha was at his peak? 

Would he do as 4th choice RB back-up at Championship level, or do we need to be aiming higher do you think? 

Edited 9 hours ago by Midfield_General

[Disco Stu]

18 minutes ago, Midfield_General said:

Would he do as 4th choice RB back-up at Championship level, or do we need to be aiming higher do you think? 

24 year old Ward-Prowse no doubt had a little extra in pace compared with today. As 4th choice, he's fine. Need a natural fit and available right back behind Bree though.

Edited 9 hours ago by Disco Stu

[Badger]

13 minutes ago, Midfield_General said:

OK let’s forget the Danish international and the FA Cup semi finalist and go deeper into our paper thin squad. 

How about a full England international with 433 Premier League appearances, who has barely missed a game through injury throughout his career, who has played right back multiple times at PL level and who when playing in that position had Zaha in his pocket more than once when Zaha was at his peak? 

Would he do as 4th choice RB back-up at Championship level, or do we need to be aiming higher do you think? 

I think JWP could do a decent job there in an emergency as proven before. Probably solid rather than spectacular. 
 

 

[BarberSaint]

47 minutes ago, Turkish said:

Im not putting words in your mouth, you quite clearly said our current right back cover isnt good enough despite being available for selection all season and having played almost 100 premier league games. So we're looking for an improvement on that. They also must come from a team used to dominating games as someone who is just a good defender isnt going to be good enough going forward. So we're really looking for a player from top 6 premier league club who tick all those boxes. Rico Lewis maybe? With Man Citys problems maybe he'd fancy coming here as cover for Bree.

Alternatively, you could take it that everything you say is true yet MR is still crap. So perhaps that's the point, irrespective of any quite meaningless drivel. When I've seen him, he gets the ball, looks up, and pretty much every time passes to the central defender. He does not get forward much, does not seem to have a good shot on him or attacking instincts at all, is quite small so could be bad at defending against high balls pumped towards a larger, more physical attacker, and I can't actually say much about how good a defender he is because we've not seen a lot of him doing that. Part of that is because he has been injured for a long time. That meant we couldn't see him due to his being unavailable. It also means that when available, he hasn't played so someone else has been chosen ahead of him. 

Then there is a question regarding if we look for a back-up to Bree, who we get if MR isn't the one who's good enough. We don't know he isn't, but assume he is. The answer to that is we don't know enough about the situation but if he continues to not be picked due to a lack of assumed value to take up that place then we can infer that he isn't what we want i.e. good enough. If he goes back to being injured, we get rid because then he move into sick note territory.

[Chez]

20 minutes ago, Disco Stu said:

24 year old Ward-Prowse no doubt had a little extra in pace compared with today. As 4th choice, he's fine. Need a natural fit and available right back behind Bree though.

Nothing wrong with wanting to improve the squad but we'd have to offload Roeslev (assuming Tonda doesn't rate him even when fit) and is Roeslev is willing to depart? With 2.5 years in his sizeable contract, and just fighting back from injury, he may not be looking for a move.

[Midfield_General]

50 minutes ago, Disco Stu said:

24 year old Ward-Prowse no doubt had a little extra in pace compared with today. As 4th choice, he's fine. Need a natural fit and available right back behind Bree though.

JWP has never had any pace, so he has never relied on that for any part of his game. When he schooled Zaha, it wasn't because he was matching his sprint speed. 

Kyle Walker had no pace left by the end of his career but was still getting picked for England when he was 35. Gary Neville was a sloth. There's a lot more to being an effective full back than speed. 

But anyway, let's agree to disagree, that's fine. 

[VectisSaint]

1 hour ago, BarberSaint said:

Alternatively, you could take it that everything you say is true yet MR is still crap. So perhaps that's the point, irrespective of any quite meaningless drivel. When I've seen him, he gets the ball, looks up, and pretty much every time passes to the central defender. He does not get forward much, does not seem to have a good shot on him or attacking instincts at all, is quite small so could be bad at defending against high balls pumped towards a larger, more physical attacker, and I can't actually say much about how good a defender he is because we've not seen a lot of him doing that. Part of that is because he has been injured for a long time. That meant we couldn't see him due to his being unavailable. It also means that when available, he hasn't played so someone else has been chosen ahead of him. 

Then there is a question regarding if we look for a back-up to Bree, who we get if MR isn't the one who's good enough. We don't know he isn't, but assume he is. The answer to that is we don't know enough about the situation but if he continues to not be picked due to a lack of assumed value to take up that place then we can infer that he isn't what we want i.e. good enough. If he goes back to being injured, we get rid because then he move into sick note territory.

MR is taller than JB, don't know why you think he is quite small. 

What problem are people trying to resolve here? Without wishing to put the mockers on it, Bree appears to be resilient, so we need a backup in order to give him a rest or to cover for suspensions, minor knocks. Roerslev is exactly that now that he is back, a backup. If that fails we have other options (except they are now needed as first choice in their best positions, i.e. JWP and Abbott, while Jander and Schlotts/Wood are out). Push comes to shove Fellows can play there, and probably either Manning or Weli. Getting a RB in January in the present situation is likely to be #100 on the priority list.

[Saint Fan CaM]

5 hours ago, Chez said:

Someone being loaned out will have a point to prove and a desire to play well and get a move to a promoted Southampton, hopefully. Larin was the answer last January.

You say Larin - I raise you Mubama and let’s face it, Larin took sometime to get to mediocre…he’s hardly prolific even now is he?

[Turkish]

3 hours ago, Disco Stu said:

24 year old Ward-Prowse no doubt had a little extra in pace compared with today. As 4th choice, he's fine. Need a natural fit and available right back behind Bree though.

So they got to be quick too? 😂

[Disco Stu]

1 hour ago, Turkish said:

So they got to be quick too? 😂

I didn't say quick and you make it sound like being mobile is some outlandish expectation! A natural right back that can stay fit is the requirement. Fitting our system should be a prerequisite for the club.

Edited 3 hours ago by Disco Stu

[Disco Stu]

4 hours ago, Midfield_General said:

JWP has never had any pace, so he has never relied on that for any part of his game. When he schooled Zaha, it wasn't because he was matching his sprint speed. 

Kyle Walker had no pace left by the end of his career but was still getting picked for England when he was 35. Gary Neville was a sloth. There's a lot more to being an effective full back than speed. 

But anyway, let's agree to disagree, that's fine. 

My point is, we don't want Bree's absence to mean being forced to play a different way. JWP is even slower now than he was then. Both our fullbacks push high in our system. He's fine further down the pecking order as I said but I want a natural right back with good availability to be ahead of him in the queue.

I don't want JWP having to get pulled out of his best position if Bree's out because we don't have a fit right back to fill in.

Edited 3 hours ago by Disco Stu

[Disco Stu]

Also get Robinson recalled. Fellows has clearly fallen out of favour with Tonda. Edozie should be allowed to leave.

Edited 3 hours ago by Disco Stu

[LordHester]

2 hours ago, Saint Fan CaM said:

You say Larin - I raise you Mubama and let’s face it, Larin took sometime to get to mediocre…he’s hardly prolific even now is he?

15 goals in 27 games isn't too shabby ... 

[Chez]

2 hours ago, Saint Fan CaM said:

You say Larin - I raise you Mubama and let’s face it, Larin took sometime to get to mediocre…he’s hardly prolific even now is he?

yes, Larin. he scored after 3 minutes on his debut and looked very much like he had something to prove. 

you say mubama, i raise you Saganowski. Signing someone permanently doesn't mean they will be more committed, effective etc. 

Good professionals, good players...they are more than welcome on loan in January.

 

 

Edited 3 hours ago by Chez

[Badger]

44 minutes ago, Disco Stu said:

Also get Robinson recalled. Fellows has clearly fallen out of favour with Tonda. Edozie should be allowed to leave.

Don’t Robinson and Fellows play on opposite wings ? 

Robinson’s career would probably benefit more from staying on loan and playing than coming back. 

Edozie seems to have been given another chance, and again looks be lacking strength. Goal aside looked weak at WBA. Personally I wouldn’t give up on Fellows. 

[Gloucester Saint]

7 hours ago, Chez said:

Unless Roeslev wants game time and is willing to go out on loan, we are probably not signing a right back.

From a numbers point of view, the squad is full and balanced. If we sign someone, then players would probably need to depart. 

He didn’t look great under Will Still before his injury but then frankly who did? Hard to judge. Bree has made RB his own and the fact he was loaned out is another indictment on Still. Hopefully the injury hasn’t drained any pace and if he’s called upon he will also look better under Tonda.

Edited 2 hours ago by Gloucester Saint

[Oh no Mick Mills]

7 hours ago, Turkish said:

Im not putting words in your mouth, you quite clearly said our current right back cover isnt good enough despite being available for selection all season and having played almost 100 premier league games. So we're looking for an improvement on that. They also must come from a team used to dominating games as someone who is just a good defender isnt going to be good enough going forward. So we're really looking for a player from top 6 premier league club who tick all those boxes. Rico Lewis maybe? With Man Citys problems maybe he'd fancy coming here as cover for Bree.

I'd go for Trent.

Often 3rd choice at Real.

I reckon he'd jump at the chance to be back up to Bree....mmm then again the defensive side of his game is a bit suspect.

[AlexLaw76]

Here's an idea...hear me out..

What about Fellows as a Right Back/Right Wing Back?

[Lighthouse]

I think if I were to choose, Fellows would be the midfielder I would loan out and bring a replacement loan in. I still think he could have a future here, or at the very least command a reasonable fee, he just needs some game time. I’d keep Edozie for the rest of the season, then let him leave on a free in summer.

[Turkish]

11 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

Here's an idea...hear me out..

What about Fellows as a Right Back/Right Wing Back?

Great shout, a kind of hybrid role with a back 3 would work, yes?

[Turkish]

12 minutes ago, Oh no Mick Mills said:

I'd go for Trent.

Often 3rd choice at Real.

I reckon he'd jump at the chance to be back up to Bree....mmm then again the defensive side of his game is a bit suspect.

Im afraid with all these injuries he fails the "always available" metric

[Midfield_General]

4 minutes ago, Turkish said:

Im afraid with all these injuries he fails the "always available" metric

Not as quick as peak Zaha in a straight sprint either.

Nowhere near the levels we need for a reserve Championship right back. 

[Turkish]

22 minutes ago, Gloucester Saint said:

He didn’t look great under Will Still before his injury but then frankly who did? Hard to judge. Bree has made RB his own and the fact he was loaned out is another indictment on Still. Hopefully the injury hasn’t drained any pace and if he’s called upon he will also look better under Tonda.

Playing in Will Stills weird formation it was difficult for anyone to look good. Bree has been excellent since he came back from loan, which made the decision to loan him out weird in the first place, he's also pretty robust and rarely misses a game through injury so this amazing quick, attacking, classy, never injured, specialist right back we're going to sign isnt going to play much you'd think.

[Holmes_and_Watson]

Surely, if we want a mobile right back, who can play wing back, has over 100 top division appearances and is an available, full international...

We just get Sugawara back from loan.