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It has been spouted now for months that we would be losing our best players. No end of it from Lallana to Surman to Davis. Suddenly when that hasn't happened its because all our players are sh1t. We have recalled existing players and strengthened by adding. NOTHING has been taken away. No backward steps were taken. This is good news and should be embraced even if it was overseen by the pantomime hate figure.

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Yeah we are doing so well aren't we ...1 win at home all season 5 abysmal loans in and second from bottom ...boy you Lowe Luvvies must be so proud of loveable old rosey cheeks and his Dutch revolution.

 

Ron, I am.

 

Not proud exactly, because clearly things could have gone better. That said the fact that we are not cut loose whilst playing effectively a reserve/youth team is a testament to the guts of the players we have.

 

I didn't expect playoffs this year, I expected to survive whilst the financial holes were plugged.

 

We're not relegated yet, and with luck we'll survive by the skin of our teeth which is what happened last year (with a vastly more experienced, skilled and payed side).

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Like most Lowe apologists you fail to think a little further as to why there might not have been these sales.

 

Could it be that the chairmen of other clubs are canny enough to realise that if they wait for us to go into receivership, they can get those players they want for far less than now? It isn't as if there have been many clubs fighting to buy any of our players, as none currently has set the world on fire recently, except perhaps KD.

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Like most Lowe apologists you fail to think a little further as to why there might not have been these sales.

 

Could it be that the chairmen of other clubs are canny enough to realise that if they wait for us to go into receivership, they can get those players they want for far less than now? It isn't as if there have been many clubs fighting to buy any of our players, as none currently has set the world on fire recently, except perhaps KD.

 

At last a voice of reason amongst the tunnel-visioned....

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It has been spouted now for months that we would be losing our best players. No end of it from Lallana to Surman to Davis. Suddenly when that hasn't happened its because all our players are sh1t. We have recalled existing players and strengthened by adding. NOTHING has been taken away. No backward steps were taken. This is good news and should be embraced even if it was overseen by the pantomime hate figure.

 

So how do you reconcile the apparent lack of money/administration talk from SMS with the sudden not having to Sell.

 

Seems like someone has been overstating how poor we are ?

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It has been spouted now for months that we would be losing our best players. No end of it from Lallana to Surman to Davis. Suddenly when that hasn't happened its because all our players are sh1t. We have recalled existing players and strengthened by adding. NOTHING has been taken away. No backward steps were taken. This is good news and should be embraced even if it was overseen by the pantomime hate figure.

 

I find it incredible that the apologists have been waiting for the cease-fire to poke their heads above the parapet and start spouting the usual nonsense. Why were you not demonstrating your confidence that we would not sell anybody whilst the window was actually open? Hmmm....

 

Let's test your confidence shall we? If things are not as bad as we were all allegedly stating, why did we get rid of Pearson? He was, we were told, "too expensive". Why did we send out our best players on loan? Why did we get in a poor excuse of a head coach? If things were all so rosy, why did we make these drastic cutbacks? You cannot have your cake and eat it; if we are financially fine, there can be no excuse or reason for such poor, potentially disastrous decisions.

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Like most Lowe apologists you fail to think a little further as to why there might not have been these sales.

 

Could it be that the chairmen of other clubs are canny enough to realise that if they wait for us to go into receivership, they can get those players they want for far less than now? It isn't as if there have been many clubs fighting to buy any of our players, as none currently has set the world on fire recently, except perhaps KD.

 

Hallelujah. Post of the week Wes.

 

I know I'm world famous for jumping to (often wrong) conclusions but for people to be assuming that 'no sales' = 'club safe' are being too optimistic. It could just as logically mean the opposite.

 

Not that there's anything wrong with optimism of course!

 

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It has been spouted now for months that we would be losing our best players. No end of it from Lallana to Surman to Davis. Suddenly when that hasn't happened its because all our players are sh1t. We have recalled existing players and strengthened by adding. NOTHING has been taken away. No backward steps were taken. This is good news and should be embraced even if it was overseen by the pantomime hate figure.

 

Find this post quite shocking in its complacency. We are going down this season unfortunately. We will be waving at Pearson as he passes us the other way. We, and even more the players and staff have had to watch the arrogant idiot Lowe continue to spread his charm and effective leadership around the club.

All he has to do is hide away keep a low profile and surely some one will start to defend him.

Mark my words, this team will only ever go one way while Lowe is involved.

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it has been spouted now for months that we would be losing our best players. No end of it from lallana to surman to davis. Suddenly when that hasn't happened its because all our players are sh1t. We have recalled existing players and strengthened by adding. Nothing has been taken away. No backward steps were taken. This is good news and should be embraced even if it was overseen by the pantomime hate figure.

 

Club second from bottom in the championship in "no one wants to buy our players shock"....

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I cannot believe that barclays will be too happy if the reports coming from Dave Jones et all are true as he clearly stated we would need to sell and as far as i can tell nothing has changed to make that any different.

As for your friend then i am afraid our revolutionary coaching set up certainly lived up to its name because revolutions never last that long.

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It has been spouted now for months that we would be losing our best players. No end of it from Lallana to Surman to Davis. Suddenly when that hasn't happened its because all our players are sh1t. We have recalled existing players and strengthened by adding. NOTHING has been taken away. No backward steps were taken. This is good news and should be embraced even if it was overseen by the pantomime hate figure.

 

Am I allowed to post on this thread Johnny, as I don't hate Lowe????

 

Could you clear that up for me, thanks.

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I find it incredible that the apologists have been waiting for the cease-fire to poke their heads above the parapet and start spouting the usual nonsense. Why were you not demonstrating your confidence that we would not sell anybody whilst the window was actually open? Hmmm....

 

Let's test your confidence shall we? If things are not as bad as we were all allegedly stating, why did we get rid of Pearson? He was, we were told, "too expensive". Why did we send out our best players on loan? Why did we get in a poor excuse of a head coach? If things were all so rosy, why did we make these drastic cutbacks? You cannot have your cake and eat it; if we are financially fine, there can be no excuse or reason for such poor, potentially disastrous decisions.

 

You seem to think you're asking tricky questions, but all the answers are obvious and available -

 

Pearson was jack sh it to do with money, we could have easily afforded him, it was about Lowe's dopey revolution.

 

The loaning out of players was money related, because we are skint.

 

Things aren't "so rosy" and I don't think anyone is saying they are.

 

The only back tracking going is from the hystericals on the forum that decide that "Lowe sells everything that moves" "Lowe will cash in Lallana/Suman/Davies/everyone as soon as you can blink" and so on.

 

 

Very few of those that are labeled Luvvies said we wouldn't sell players, but plenty of the loons said we would sell every member of the first team. And its them that are wrong.

 

 

The truth is slightly more complicated than some on here can handle.

 

 

 

But still, roll up for the new evil-Lowe-conspiracy theories - I'm loving the one that us not selling players is even stronger evidence we're going into administration!!! (Would the same people be saying "this is evidence of our financial security" if we'd sold five players this month? Unlikely....:rolleyes:)

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Like most Lowe apologists you fail to think a little further as to why there might not have been these sales.

 

Could it be that the chairmen of other clubs are canny enough to realise that if they wait for us to go into receivership, they can get those players they want for far less than now? It isn't as if there have been many clubs fighting to buy any of our players, as none currently has set the world on fire recently, except perhaps KD.

 

Yep, added to the fact that Skacel is clearly playing hard-ball..

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It has been spouted now for months that we would be losing our best players. No end of it from Lallana to Surman to Davis. Suddenly when that hasn't happened its because all our players are sh1t. We have recalled existing players and strengthened by adding. NOTHING has been taken away. No backward steps were taken. This is good news and should be embraced even if it was overseen by the pantomime hate figure.

 

do we have any 'best' players then?

 

we are in a relegation scrap due to incompetant management on and off the pitch,to sell any players would be suicide.you are right in saying no backward steps were taken but the backward steps were taken back in the summer.

you can gaurantee that if we were in a safe position in the league lowe would have shipped as many out as possible.

 

dont think anything good has come out of this window,it is a false economy,the only thing that may be a bonus is the fact that skacel didnt get moved on but that really isnt anything to shout about.

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It has been spouted now for months that we would be losing our best players. No end of it from Lallana to Surman to Davis. Suddenly when that hasn't happened its because all our players are sh1t. We have recalled existing players and strengthened by adding. NOTHING has been taken away. No backward steps were taken. This is good news and should be embraced even if it was overseen by the pantomime hate figure.

 

John it wasn't us Lowe haters who said they'd be going, it was the dark lord & Jan themselves that said players would be leaving in January to balance the books. In reality, as Wotte himself said yesterday that all the offers were ridiculously low with teams trying to take advantage of our financial position, guessing by that if a decent offer had come in we'd of lost someone!

 

Please don't misread my post, obviously I'm more than happy no one has left, just saying I think it was down to low offers as opposed to Lowe resistance!

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My guess is that the non-sale of players and addition to the playing staff of one (albeit relatively cheap) player, indicates that our financial position is "serious but stable". (isn't that what they usually say about badly injured people who look like they are going to pull through?).

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My guess is that the non-sale of players and addition to the playing staff of one (albeit relatively cheap) player, indicates that our financial position is "serious but stable". (isn't that what they usually say about badly injured people who look like they are going to pull through?).

 

I agree.

 

If we hadnt managed to flog anybody, the club could have argued that we needed to but received no satisfactory offers, but we actually signed somebody...

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It has been spouted now for months that we would be losing our best players. No end of it from Lallana to Surman to Davis. Suddenly when that hasn't happened its because all our players are sh1t. We have recalled existing players and strengthened by adding. NOTHING has been taken away. No backward steps were taken. This is good news and should be embraced even if it was overseen by the pantomime hate figure.

 

 

The only thing that should be embraced is Lowe's neck .........Even an "average" Lowe Luvvie ( circa 2 brain cells) will realise that the ONLY reason that Lowe did not " shift a few " players out, was because of the so called credit squeeze/economic downturn

 

Wotte (the Mouthpiece ) said a few offers were received, but were derisory, which means that it would have cost more to replace than what would have been received by selling.

 

"Recalled existing players" .......... you mean ALL the players that are scoring regularly for CCC TEAMS, ie OUR OPOSITION ...... Cannot you Lowe Luvvies understand just how great it's going to be, (from Lowe's Business sense), IF, at the end of the seasom, the players out on loan, score the goals that RELEGATE US

 

As opposed to ...... Saganowski comes back, and lo and behold, we start to score TWO goals per match

 

Lowe NEVER understands .... Goalscorers COST money .... because they SCORE goals.......... Teams that cost PEANUTS, do NOT score goals

 

That is something alien to Lowe, the difference between Business sense and FOOTBALL SENSE .........

 

Us CUSTOMERS support a FOOTBALL TEAM .... they are called SAINTS

 

LOWE AND WILDE OUT ......... FOREVER

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You seem to think you're asking tricky questions, but all the answers are obvious and available -

 

Pearson was jack sh it to do with money, we could have easily afforded him, it was about Lowe's dopey revolution.

 

The loaning out of players was money related, because we are skint.

 

Things aren't "so rosy" and I don't think anyone is saying they are.

 

The only back tracking going is from the hystericals on the forum that decide that "Lowe sells everything that moves" "Lowe will cash in Lallana/Suman/Davies/everyone as soon as you can blink" and so on.

 

 

Very few of those that are labeled Luvvies said we wouldn't sell players, but plenty of the loons said we would sell every member of the first team. And its them that are wrong.

 

 

The truth is slightly more complicated than some on here can handle.

 

 

 

But still, roll up for the new evil-Lowe-conspiracy theories - I'm loving the one that us not selling players is even stronger evidence we're going into administration!!! (Would the same people be saying "this is evidence of our financial security" if we'd sold five players this month? Unlikely....:rolleyes:)

 

Hi CB. This is the problem with the internet; subtleties and nuances are hard to convey! The questions I posed are more rhetorical in nature, as I too know the answers which you kindly provided. I agree - the truth is somewhere in between; my point is more that this [the lack of departures] is too convenient a rationale for Lowe apologists or indeed anybody else to lean on.

 

There is no more validity in saying that a lack of departures = Lowe is the saviour of Saints than there is in blaming Lowe for everything that has gone on at SFC since 2004.

 

As ever, the truth is somewhere in the middle....

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The only thing that should be embraced is Lowe's neck .........Even an "average" Lowe Luvvie ( circa 2 brain cells) will realise that the ONLY reason that Lowe did not " shift a few " players out, was because of the so called credit squeeze/economic downturn

 

Wotte (the Mouthpiece ) said a few offers were received, but were derisory, which means that it would have cost more to replace than what would have been received by selling.

 

"Recalled existing players" .......... you mean ALL the players that are scoring regularly for CCC TEAMS, ie OUR OPOSITION ...... Cannot you Lowe Luvvies understand just how great it's going to be, (from Lowe's Business sense), IF, at the end of the seasom, the players out on loan, score the goals that RELEGATE US

 

As opposed to ...... Saganowski comes back, and lo and behold, we start to score TWO goals per match

 

Lowe NEVER understands .... Goalscorers COST money .... because they SCORE goals.......... Teams that cost PEANUTS, do NOT score goals

 

That is something alien to Lowe, the difference between Business sense and FOOTBALL SENSE .........

 

Us CUSTOMERS support a FOOTBALL TEAM .... they are called SAINTS

 

LOWE AND WILDE OUT ......... FOREVER

 

Silly post of the millenium.

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It has been spouted now for months that we would be losing our best players. No end of it from Lallana to Surman to Davis. Suddenly when that hasn't happened its because all our players are sh1t. We have recalled existing players and strengthened by adding. NOTHING has been taken away. No backward steps were taken. This is good news and should be embraced even if it was overseen by the pantomime hate figure.

 

you should have changed this thread to( lowe luvvies-no departures) because they love the guy,they can not stop talking about the guy:D

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I find it incredible that the apologists have been waiting for the cease-fire to poke their heads above the parapet and start spouting the usual nonsense. Why were you not demonstrating your confidence that we would not sell anybody whilst the window was actually open? Hmmm....

 

Let's test your confidence shall we? If things are not as bad as we were all allegedly stating, why did we get rid of Pearson? He was, we were told, "too expensive". Why did we send out our best players on loan? Why did we get in a poor excuse of a head coach? If things were all so rosy, why did we make these drastic cutbacks? You cannot have your cake and eat it; if we are financially fine, there can be no excuse or reason for such poor, potentially disastrous decisions.

 

Not that I am condoning the baiting from JFP as IMO its just as bad as the constant love in Stanley has with Rupes but to answer some of your points,

 

Could it be that by not keeping pearson, Loaning out our best players, Cheap coach brought in and playing the kids instead of the high earners has actually saved enough money to put us in a situation where we dont have to sell off the jewls at knock down prices?

 

Personally I wouldnt say it gives Roupes the thumbs up but I am a little happier that we are not weeker going into the rest of the season. Its going to be hard enough battling relegation as it is so to actually add to the playing staff rather then lose some of it has got to be a plus for the club right?

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do we have any 'best' players then?

we are in a relegation scrap due to incompetant management on and off the pitch,to sell any players would be suicide.you are right in saying no backward steps were taken but the backward steps were taken back in the summer.

you can gaurantee that if we were in a safe position in the league lowe would have shiped as many out as possible.

 

dont think anything good has come out of this window,it is a false economy,the only thing that may be a bonus is the fact that skacel didnt get moved on but that really isnt anything to shout about.

 

 

If we had sold Surman, Davies and or Lallana then the likes of you would be screaming blue murder about how Lowe had sold our best players, ripped the heart out of the team etc etc etc.

 

Or are you saying that we could survive just as well without Kelvin and Drew and co? They're just players, we're rubbish and they are all replaceable?

 

You're beginning to sound like some evil money obsessed chairman.....

 

In the hysterics wing of this forum there is so much having your cake and eating it going on its untrue.

 

 

"We have no best players" I'd love to see the reaction if it was Lowe coming out and saying that as a justification for selling them.

 

:rolleyes:

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Not that I am condoning the baiting from JFP as IMO its just as bad as the constant love in Stanley has with Rupes but to answer some of your points,

 

Could it be that by not keeping pearson, Loaning out our best players, Cheap coach brought in and playing the kids instead of the high earners has actually saved enough money to put us in a situation where we dont have to sell off the jewls at knock down prices?

 

Personally I wouldnt say it gives Roupes the thumbs up but I am a little happier that we are not weeker going into the rest of the season. Its going to be hard enough battling relegation as it is so to actually add to the playing staff rather then lose some of it has got to be a plus for the club right?

 

a very logical post but i think we would have better of keeping pearson.

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It has been spouted now for months that we would be losing our best players. No end of it from Lallana to Surman to Davis. Suddenly when that hasn't happened its because all our players are sh1t. We have recalled existing players and strengthened by adding. NOTHING has been taken away. No backward steps were taken. This is good news and should be embraced even if it was overseen by the pantomime hate figure.

 

what a crap post!

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It has been spouted now for months that we would be losing our best players. No end of it from Lallana to Surman to Davis. Suddenly when that hasn't happened its because all our players are sh1t. We have recalled existing players and strengthened by adding. NOTHING has been taken away. No backward steps were taken. This is good news and should be embraced even if it was overseen by the pantomime hate figure.

 

Nothing has happened because:

 

a. Lowe's youth experiment has been proven to be a failure.

 

b. People have been protesting and threatening him and Wilde.

 

Also, we have not recalled enough men to survive IMHO.

 

and while you're at it you may as well rename this thread 'Vast majority of fans who realise Lowe is no good for our Club - ' ;)

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Not that I am condoning the baiting from JFP as IMO its just as bad as the constant love in Stanley has with Rupes but to answer some of your points,

 

Could it be that by not keeping pearson, Loaning out our best players, Cheap coach brought in and playing the kids instead of the high earners has actually saved enough money to put us in a situation where we dont have to sell off the jewls at knock down prices?

 

Personally I wouldnt say it gives Roupes the thumbs up but I am a little happier that we are not weeker going into the rest of the season. Its going to be hard enough battling relegation as it is so to actually add to the playing staff rather then lose some of it has got to be a plus for the club right?

 

Quite so - I agree with you (see my reply to CB above). The point I was trying to make was that it is as ludicrous to use the lack of departures to hail Lowe as our saviour as it is nonsensical to blame the entirity of our sad decline on him.

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It has been spouted now for months that we would be losing our best players. No end of it from Lallana to Surman to Davis. Suddenly when that hasn't happened its because all our players are sh1t. We have recalled existing players and strengthened by adding. NOTHING has been taken away. No backward steps were taken. This is good news and should be embraced even if it was overseen by the pantomime hate figure.

 

Molyneaux hasn't strengthened the squad. He is an inexperienced liability. Zoltan might be ok, but he too is very inexperienced at this level, and is an almighty risk if played during our seriously tough relegation dogfight. Gasmi, Forecast and Pulis are not first team standard. So how has that stengthened our squad? And what does their signings say for the standard of our heralded Academy which Lowe gambled on to be the mainstay of our squad this season?

 

The one player signed since the season started that we have now who is a real plus is Saeijs.

 

Meanwhile Dyer - who we really need right now - is on loan until the end of the season. '20 goal' John was disregarded completely. No wonder we are in the mess we are in.

 

No, our squad is considerably weaker than it could have been and should be.

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do we have any 'best' players then?

 

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Southampton head coach Mark Wotte has said he has rejected several offers for some of his players.

 

Midfielder Andrew Surman, striker Adam Lallana and goalkeeper Kelvin Davis have all been linked with moves away from the St Mary's Stadium.

 

Wotte told BBC Radio Solent: "We had a couple of bids but for ridiculously low money. We're not that desperate, to sell for peanuts."

 

Wotte has declined to reveal details of the bids or players involved.

 

"Maybe for ridiculous money you have to sell someone but not because other clubs think you have financial problems," Wotte added.

 

"It's not important which clubs were involved, or which players, but we won't be selling any of our best players for that kind of money."

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