Weston Super Saint Posted 7 February, 2009 Share Posted 7 February, 2009 The fans for all that is wrong with SFC? The fans don't : Have any say in who is or isn't the Chairman / board members. Pick the team. Train the team. Choose the tactics which the team play by. Really have much influence over the match result. So why oh why does everyone constantly blame the fans for the predicament we're in? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krissyboy31 Posted 7 February, 2009 Share Posted 7 February, 2009 We are NOT! It's certain people within the club and their 'friends' in the media that are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 7 February, 2009 Share Posted 7 February, 2009 by 'everyone' do you mean JP and Wotte (dumb and dumber) and the occasional lazy press print? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
70's Mike Posted 7 February, 2009 Share Posted 7 February, 2009 oerhaps the club would prefer it if we were not going to sms, afterall Sundance says they can do without us. maybe the boycotters are right Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Super Saint Posted 7 February, 2009 Author Share Posted 7 February, 2009 by 'everyone' do you mean JP and Wotte (dumb and dumber) and the occasional lazy press print? You must have missed the multitude of posts on here that are having a dig at the fans for shouting at the players, not going to matches, not buying shirts etc etc etc and all the other things that the fans have done to ruin this once great club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chocco boxo Posted 7 February, 2009 Share Posted 7 February, 2009 It is very easy to blame the masses, but we all know it is about 6 people and one man in particular who are to blame for this once "good average family club" that is now known as the lump of **** it is today! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Professor Posted 7 February, 2009 Share Posted 7 February, 2009 The fans for all that is wrong with SFC? The fans don't : Have any say in who is or isn't the Chairman / board members. Pick the team. Train the team. Choose the tactics which the team play by. Really have much influence over the match result. So why oh why does everyone constantly blame the fans for the predicament we're in? I can only assume you have never played football yourself at level where you get local support at home games. The motivation of playing in front of supportive fans is one of the reasons why clubs have better results at home. Its not just 'knowing the pitch' or travelling. For a long vtime now, Saints teams have played in front of quieter crowds, sometines even drowned out by a few away supporters. The days of constant singing and chanting of COYR, COYS have gone and verbal support is now intermittent. All that is linked to occasional abuse of the manager or the chairman, from within the crowd. No one 'blames' the fans, but its a factor, and the only factor that the fans themselves can do something about. As for blame, most of it is directed at the chairman or the manager. But the chairman can only bring players in that are available and that the club can afford. The manager has to do the best he can with the squad. SFC has very limited rsources and to pretend that a different chairman or a different manager would make everything alright is total fantasy. Too many saints fans have been acting on that fantasy for far too long. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BadgerBadger Posted 7 February, 2009 Share Posted 7 February, 2009 I blame the fans for not blaming someone else Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
70's Mike Posted 7 February, 2009 Share Posted 7 February, 2009 I can only assume you have never played football yourself at level where you get local support at home games. The motivation of playing in front of supportive fans is one of the reasons why clubs have better results at home. Its not just 'knowing the pitch' or travelling. For a long vtime now, Saints teams have played in front of quieter crowds, sometines even drowned out by a few away supporters. The days of constant singing and chanting of COYR, COYS have gone and verbal support is now intermittent. All that is linked to occasional abuse of the manager or the chairman, from within the crowd. No one 'blames' the fans, but its a factor, and the only factor that the fans themselves can do something about. As for blame, most of it is directed at the chairman or the manager. But the chairman can only bring players in that are available and that the club can afford. The manager has to do the best he can with the squad. SFC has very limited rsources and to pretend that a different chairman or a different manager would make everything alright is total fantasy. Too many saints fans have been acting on that fantasy for far too long. I wonder how much we have paid in Wages, Agents Fees etc for Robertson, Peckhart, Gasmi, Pullis, Fortune and god knows whoelse this season. It is easy to blame lack of money BUT perhaps we should concentrate on how we have spent what we had. Rupert called us customers , pushed our loyalty , he still thinks season tickets holders are going to hand over another £70 to watch a game for a free meal, and the customers have walked away Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
um pahars Posted 7 February, 2009 Share Posted 7 February, 2009 For a long vtime now, Saints teams have played in front of quieter crowds, sometines even drowned out by a few away supporters. The days of constant singing and chanting of COYR, COYS have gone and verbal support is now intermittent. All that is linked to occasional abuse of the manager or the chairman, from within the crowd. No one 'blames' the fans, but its a factor, and the only factor that the fans themselves can do something about.. I can only presume you really did stop attending games this season as you promised, because IMHO the support, given the numbers, has been fairly remarkable. There has been minimal barracking of the players, some wholesome support and until very recently, no protests against the board, as people's support has been channeled behind the players. You were making the same false allegations about our last relegation season, so I can only presume you're on a wind up. But the chairman can only bring players in that are available and that the club can afford. The manager has to do the best he can with the squad. SFC has very limited rsources and to pretend that a different chairman or a different manager would make everything alright is total fantasy. Absolute rubbish, risible and I thought wse had moved on from posting such garbage. A different Chairman could have implemented a number of different strateigies. A different manager could have implemented a number of different strategies. And these strategies could have been implemented within the financial constraints that we have to operate under. Whether they would have been worse, similar or better is up for conjecture, but to suggest our hands are tied, the dice rolled and there was nothing else that could have been done is something out of La La land.:rolleyes::rolleyes: We might as well just have carried on with Poortvliet if the manager makes no difference:D:D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Super Saint Posted 7 February, 2009 Author Share Posted 7 February, 2009 I can only assume you have never played football yourself at level where you get local support at home games. The motivation of playing in front of supportive fans is one of the reasons why clubs have better results at home. Its not just 'knowing the pitch' or travelling. For a long vtime now, Saints teams have played in front of quieter crowds, sometines even drowned out by a few away supporters. The days of constant singing and chanting of COYR, COYS have gone and verbal support is now intermittent. All that is linked to occasional abuse of the manager or the chairman, from within the crowd. No one 'blames' the fans, but its a factor, and the only factor that the fans themselves can do something about. As for blame, most of it is directed at the chairman or the manager. But the chairman can only bring players in that are available and that the club can afford. The manager has to do the best he can with the squad. SFC has very limited rsources and to pretend that a different chairman or a different manager would make everything alright is total fantasy. Too many saints fans have been acting on that fantasy for far too long. Silly me, I thought I named this thread 'Can we stop blaming the fans', but I guess for some people it will never happen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHAPEL END CHARLIE Posted 7 February, 2009 Share Posted 7 February, 2009 (edited) SFC has very limited rsources and to pretend that a different chairman or a different manager would make everything alright is total fantasy. You seem to be arguing that a football club Chairman and/or Manager can make no real difference to the teams results . This raises two points : 1 - If they make no difference why bother employing them in the first place ? we might as well save some cash and let the kit man run the club . 2 - I can only say that I fundamentally disagree with this assertion in the first place , leadership is everything in any organisation and there are numerous examples of 'financially challenged' football clubs doing a heck of a lot better than us this season when led my competent leaders possessed with at least a basic understanding of the British game . The reason we find ourselves in this position is all down to poor leadership (not just Rupert Lowe's ineptitude , there's plenty of blame to go round) and we'll only ever dig our way out of this hole we're in when the club's led by able people , both in the Boardroom and on the pitch . Edited 7 February, 2009 by CHAPEL END CHARLIE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 7 February, 2009 Share Posted 7 February, 2009 I would say that fans in some small way have played their part...obviously not TOTOALLY to blame but have not helped at times... thus, this will be lost on many and will ironically carry with their sniping and jumping into bed with "anyone but" as normal.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 7 February, 2009 Share Posted 7 February, 2009 I would say that fans in some small way have played their part...obviously not TOTOALLY to blame but have not helped at times... thus, this will be lost on many and will ironically carry with their sniping and jumping into bed with "anyone but" as normal.. Sorry but I would argue it was a very very very small part. Having been to every home game this season I would say that the support under the circumstances are not to blame. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Super Saint Posted 7 February, 2009 Author Share Posted 7 February, 2009 I would say that fans in some small way have played their part...obviously not TOTOALLY to blame but have not helped at times... thus, this will be lost on many and will ironically carry with their sniping and jumping into bed with "anyone but" as normal.. Feel free to explain where the fans are at fault. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 7 February, 2009 Share Posted 7 February, 2009 I am sick and tired of moronic posters on here blaming fans in any way for results on the pitch. I do not and never have and never will condone abuse of our players during a game - on here I couldn't really care less. However, if the team were achieving any kind of level of competence, the fans would be delighted and cheering to their hearts content every week. Throughout this season the support has been quieter than if we were flying high, of course - there are only 14,000 of us for a bloody start!!! And fans simply expect to get kicked in the nuts. How enthusiastic are we supposed to be exactly? We have played some of our best football when there has been no noise in the crowd, and played appallingly when the fans have been standing on chairs supporting. The very fact we can win when we have 400 people at Preston, and play like a shower of chit against United with a full house puts this theory to bed. Against Donny we played our best football when the fans were bloody well rioting!!! The mood of fans reflects what goes on during the game, not vice versa. Otherwise, formations, players, manager, fitness and competence are all irrelevant and we might as well just spend the money on some drums and trumpets. When ALL ELSE IS RIGHT - fans can be a 12th man. But I could cheer all day and still Lloyd James would commit himself early, McGoldrick would miss a sitter and Wotte would play a formation more alien to me than a man who lives on the third moon of Saturn... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidthesquid Posted 7 February, 2009 Share Posted 7 February, 2009 Feel free to explain where the fans are at fault. I'll tell you exactly where the fans are at fault - a miserable thirteen thousand of us turned up on Tuesday night. All these self-righteous 'I'll never set foot in SMS until Lowe goes' fans are killing the club. Fans = money, & money = keeping & buying better players (and managers). It is so simple really Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Super Saint Posted 7 February, 2009 Author Share Posted 7 February, 2009 I'll tell you exactly where the fans are at fault - a miserable thirteen thousand of us turned up on Tuesday night. All these self-righteous 'I'll never set foot in SMS until Lowe goes' fans are killing the club. Fans = money, & money = keeping & buying better players (and managers). It is so simple really Wrong! We had plenty of money in the Premiership, what 'better' players did we invest in then? How much of that money was used to keep the best manager we've had in recent history [WGS], and how much was he given to buy 'better' players? Oh, and how much was used to pay dividends to the PLC shareholders Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmel Posted 7 February, 2009 Share Posted 7 February, 2009 I'll tell you exactly where the fans are at fault - a miserable thirteen thousand of us turned up on Tuesday night. All these self-righteous 'I'll never set foot in SMS until Lowe goes' fans are killing the club. Fans = money, & money = keeping & buying better players (and managers). It is so simple really If you had a child with a serious drug habit, that was killing them and they had no job and no income and the only way they could buy drugs was with the money you gave them..........what's the last thing you would give them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHAPEL END CHARLIE Posted 7 February, 2009 Share Posted 7 February, 2009 I'll tell you exactly where the fans are at fault - a miserable thirteen thousand of us turned up on Tuesday night. All these self-righteous 'I'll never set foot in SMS until Lowe goes' fans are killing the club. Fans = money, & money = keeping & buying better players (and managers). It is so simple really Simple or simplistic ? The logic of this argument would imply that we should never have been relegated from the Premier League in the first place as we virtually sold-out St Marys every home game did we not ? I promise you (from bitter experience) that had 32,000 turned up last Tuesday it's highly unlikly to have made the slightest difference to the result . I reject entirely the notion that the fans are in any way responsible for the clubs decline , indeed it's a footballing miracle anyone still turns up at St Marys considering the total crap we've had to put up with this season . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 7 February, 2009 Share Posted 7 February, 2009 I'll tell you exactly where the fans are at fault - a miserable thirteen thousand of us turned up on Tuesday night. All these self-righteous 'I'll never set foot in SMS until Lowe goes' fans are killing the club. Fans = money, & money = keeping & buying better players (and managers). It is so simple really Oh, my restaurant is failing. Although I brought in a chef not quite as good as the last one, used cheaper ingredients and yet kept the prices the same as when I had 3 Michelin stars and now I've only got one, those customers who have desserted my business are going to force me under. It's all their fault. They're a really fickle, disloyal bunch and if that's how they treat me and my business, I'd rather do without them... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Super Saint Posted 7 February, 2009 Author Share Posted 7 February, 2009 Oh, my restaurant is failing. Although I brought in a chef not quite as good as the last one, used cheaper ingredients and yet kept the prices the same as when I had 3 Michelin stars and now I've only got one, those customers who have desserted my business are going to force me under. It's all their fault. They're a really fickle, disloyal bunch and if that's how they treat me and my business, I'd rather do without them... I'm gonna assume that was deliberate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1965onwards Posted 7 February, 2009 Share Posted 7 February, 2009 ****s like LOWE and his luvvies on here will always seek scapegoats elsewhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 7 February, 2009 Share Posted 7 February, 2009 I'm gonna assume that was deliberate Not really. I always get the desert and dessert mixed up and couldn't be arsed to check it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Super Saint Posted 7 February, 2009 Author Share Posted 7 February, 2009 Not really. I always get the desert and dessert mixed up and couldn't be arsed to check it. It fitted very well with your analogy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nineteen Canteen Posted 7 February, 2009 Share Posted 7 February, 2009 The fans for all that is wrong with SFC? The fans don't : Have any say in who is or isn't the Chairman / board members. Correct? So why do some fans persist in protest if they are not trying to have a direct impact on who or who isn't chairman. Would Wilde have succeeded 3 years ago without the protest? Difficult to argue fans haven't recently played their part in influencing a round of musical chairs. Pick the team. No, but have some tiny influence with the advent of forums and radio phone ins which even the most hard nosed manager will sometimes have trouble ignoring. Ultimately though fans should not have any input or influence. Train the team. Thankfully no, as some think they are qualified having managed a boys team in the Tyro. Choose the tactics which the team play by. No, although some things the fans can see from the stands that the manager can't from the touchline and JP perhaps should have joined us occassionaly or even logged on here as 2 up front was the way to ago from about October onwards. Really have much influence over the match result. Oh dear what a naive comment. The crowd have a massive influence on the result or don't you believe in the old football saying about the '12th man'. Surely if the crowd can work its magic in a positive way you'd have to accept it can equally work it's diminishing support and abuse in a negative way. Any one who was at the Doncaster game for starters would have to be a complete ostrich to ignore the impact all the infighting in the stands and the chants had on the players. Most in the crowd I suspect had trouble concentrating on the game for the final 20 minutes and how do you think that impacted the team? Despite our late goal when Doncaster knew they were home and hosed the team gave up, probably as distressd as those of us who refused to get involved. And the sad thing in all of this is that my young son's passion for going to games as stopped overnight because he was scared sh1tless that I had to face up to two idiots, willing to take 'us' on as they didn't like our opinion and invitation to sit down and watch the game. Bet that doesn't happen in many home grounds regardless of a club's predicament. So why oh why does everyone constantly blame the fans for the predicament we're in? I trust I have answered your question. Support not protest and respectful. debate not abuse and fight. Comments above Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
um pahars Posted 7 February, 2009 Share Posted 7 February, 2009 REading that, I have to say that was not the best use of 1/3rd of your daily post quota:rolleyes::rolleyes::smt022:smt088:smt054 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
70's Mike Posted 7 February, 2009 Share Posted 7 February, 2009 Comments above We were already 2 down before the Doncaster protests started , and sounds like your son suffered like you did as a young man Sundance if i remember one of your very early posts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nineteen Canteen Posted 7 February, 2009 Share Posted 7 February, 2009 REading that, I have to say that was not the best use of 1/3rd of your daily post quota:rolleyes::rolleyes::smt022:smt088:smt054 Why's that then Steve? Do you enjoy trying to take on an entire block? No doubt a few junior fans are a small price to pay so your nemesis can be removed and your unreasonable expectations to remain unmet by Lord Crouch and Dame Corbett. Can I suggest you reign back on the use of smilies as it make's you look juvenile and actually detracts from the message you are trying to give. I will listen and debate with anyone who holds a view but not with those who mock, abuse or fail to accept that others may hold equally genuine if opposite views. Take Wes Tender, I am poles apart at times with him but there is still some middle ground to be agreed on in our views and is mocking at least is more concealed. It's only the unreasonable and ridiculously over the top 'fringe' that can readily be ignored even if they come furnished with a creative teenage smiley or 6. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
um pahars Posted 7 February, 2009 Share Posted 7 February, 2009 Why's that then Steve? Do you enjoy trying to take on an entire block? No doubt a few junior fans are a small price to pay so your nemesis can be removed and your unreasonable expectations to remain unmet by Lord Crouch and Dame Corbett. Can I suggest you reign back on the use of smilies as it make's you look juvenile and actually detracts from the message you are trying to give. I will listen and debate with anyone who holds a view but not with those who mock, abuse or fail to accept that others may hold equally genuine if opposite views. Take Wes Tender, I am poles apart at times with him but there is still some middle ground to be agreed on in our views and is mocking at least is more concealed. It's only the unreasonable and ridiculously over the top 'fringe' that can readily be ignored even if they come furnished with a creative teenage smiley or 6. And a pretty poor use of your 2/3 post:smt022:smt022:smt022 Oh the irony. I presume you must sit near me in the Itchen South/Chapel corner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nineteen Canteen Posted 7 February, 2009 Share Posted 7 February, 2009 We were already 2 down before the Doncaster protests started ' date=' and sounds like your son suffered like you did as a young man Sundance if i remember one of your very early posts.[/quote'] Sorry 70's Mike I don't know what you are talking about but at the Doncaster game fans in the Northam started the negative chanting at 0-0. Then it got progressively worse and you are right it reached the pinnacle at 2-0 but you'd be wrong to suggest it was an instantaneous kneejerk response to their second goal, things were simmering well before then. I am not who you think I am even if you are an expert in syntax analysis as it seems to me every poster uses the phrases and styles of other posters and some of my recent quotes that i thought original are already being used elsewhere and no doubt I am picking up on others which is hardly surprising given the debate and limited users. Happens in small companies and institutions across the land and nothing sinister. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gingeletiss Posted 7 February, 2009 Share Posted 7 February, 2009 and strike three...................... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
um pahars Posted 7 February, 2009 Share Posted 7 February, 2009 Sorry 70's Mike I don't know what you are talking about but at the Doncaster game fans in the Northam started the negative chanting at 0-0. Then it got progressively worse and you are right it reached the pinnacle at 2-0 but you'd be wrong to suggest it was an instantaneous kneejerk response to their second goal, things were simmering well before then. I am not who you think I am even if you are an expert in syntax analysis as it seems to me every poster uses the phrases and styles of other posters and some of my recent quotes that i thought original are already being used elsewhere and no doubt I am picking up on others which is hardly surprising given the debate and limited users. Happens in small companies and institutions across the land and nothing sinister. 3/3 there goes nineteencanteen/sundance/the bear/flashman & his other 12 or so aliases.:smt022:smt022:smt022 Problem for you is that in your rude little PM to various posters on here, you actually mentioned the phrase "nineteen canteen", something never mentioned on here previously. Rumbled;) (from the man in the Itchen South/Chapel corner) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 7 February, 2009 Share Posted 7 February, 2009 Comments above In other words, you would like us to pay our money, sit down, shut up and regardless of how the money we have spent for our tickets is missused accept it. No. I will express how I feel at a football match. If I get frustrated due to another missplaced pass or bottled/mistimed challenge I will shout, and on the other hand if the team is playing cohessively, showing commitment, skill and quality I will cheer encouragement. I would need a lobotomy to behave as you expect other fans to. The matches I have been to this season have shown the fans i've seen to be frustrated beyond belief. Not nasty, not aggresive (but yes, you do get idiots, sadly 0.05% is still quite a few when you take into account several thousand.) but genuinely willing the team to win, but when it has become clear this hope is futile, say, if you are 2-0 down at home to Doncaster or 3-0 down to a frankly dreadful Watford side, then yes... attitudes will change, you would need to be non-human as a fan to not feel otherwise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 7 February, 2009 Share Posted 7 February, 2009 Sorry 70's Mike I don't know what you are talking about but at the Doncaster game fans in the Northam started the negative chanting at 0-0. Then it got progressively worse and you are right it reached the pinnacle at 2-0 but you'd be wrong to suggest it was an instantaneous kneejerk response to their second goal, things were simmering well before then. I am not who you think I am even if you are an expert in syntax analysis as it seems to me every poster uses the phrases and styles of other posters and some of my recent quotes that i thought original are already being used elsewhere and no doubt I am picking up on others which is hardly surprising given the debate and limited users. Happens in small companies and institutions across the land and nothing sinister. Total cobblers. The chanting all through the first half revolved around cheering on the team. Immediately after the break they went 1-0 up without a Saints fan uttering a word. You sir are a liar, charlatan and clearly on the Rupert Lowe payroll. Pack up now you pathetic little man unless you have something honest and constructive to contribute. Opnions are welcome, you're just a downright liar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 7 February, 2009 Share Posted 7 February, 2009 Sorry 70's Mike I don't know what you are talking about but at the Doncaster game fans in the Northam started the negative chanting at 0-0. Then it got progressively worse and you are right it reached the pinnacle at 2-0 but you'd be wrong to suggest it was an instantaneous kneejerk response to their second goal, things were simmering well before then. I am not who you think I am even if you are an expert in syntax analysis as it seems to me every poster uses the phrases and styles of other posters and some of my recent quotes that i thought original are already being used elsewhere and no doubt I am picking up on others which is hardly surprising given the debate and limited users. Happens in small companies and institutions across the land and nothing sinister. You are talking complete ****e as usual, there were a few chants at 1-0 but none at 0-0. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
70's Mike Posted 7 February, 2009 Share Posted 7 February, 2009 Sorry 70's Mike I don't know what you are talking about but at the Doncaster game fans in the Northam started the negative chanting at 0-0. Then it got progressively worse and you are right it reached the pinnacle at 2-0 but you'd be wrong to suggest it was an instantaneous kneejerk response to their second goal, things were simmering well before then. I am not who you think I am even if you are an expert in syntax analysis as it seems to me every poster uses the phrases and styles of other posters and some of my recent quotes that i thought original are already being used elsewhere and no doubt I am picking up on others which is hardly surprising given the debate and limited users. Happens in small companies and institutions across the land and nothing sinister. others have given you your answer before i read your reply and as they have said you are talking rubbish and not reflecting what happened at the Doncaster game. It would be interesting to know where you were sitting for that game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 7 February, 2009 Share Posted 7 February, 2009 others have given you your answer before i read your reply and as they have said you are talking rubbish and not reflecting what happened at the Doncaster game. It would be interesting to know where you were sitting for that game In the director's box along with the other representatives of Lowe and Wilde's Public Relations' team is my guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
70's Mike Posted 7 February, 2009 Share Posted 7 February, 2009 In the director's box along with the other representatives of Lowe and Wilde's Public Relations' team is my guess. wonder who upset his son , maybe it was Crouch shouting "we want rupert out" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 7 February, 2009 Share Posted 7 February, 2009 wonder who upset his son ' date=' maybe it was Crouch shouting "we want rupert out"[/quote'] I think what upsets his son is having a dad who clearly knows ******** all about football and must live with his head buried either in a bucket of sand or up Rupert's jacksie... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Papa Shango Posted 7 February, 2009 Share Posted 7 February, 2009 The fans for all that is wrong with SFC? The fans don't : Have any say in who is or isn't the Chairman / board members. Pick the team. Train the team. Choose the tactics which the team play by. Really have much influence over the match result. So why oh why does everyone constantly blame the fans for the predicament we're in? Agree completely. The fans have absoultely nothing to with the position we are in now. It's just a pathetic exuse used by the apologists for the board/team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Super Saint Posted 7 February, 2009 Author Share Posted 7 February, 2009 Comments above LOL. So you agree that the fans don't pick the team, have no input into training and don't have a say in the tactics, which the manager can get completely wrong - you even admitted JP had done so all season!!! Then you expect some cheering to influence the result of the game despite these monumental f&&ck ups Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 7 February, 2009 Share Posted 7 February, 2009 i would explain whty fans have played their part (note, i never said total blame) but what is the point...it will be dismissed anyway nineteen canteen has given a reasonable response and is mocked..brilliant Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 7 February, 2009 Share Posted 7 February, 2009 It is only justifiable to blame the fans if you think all fans are brainless morons incapable of rational decision making. With that in mind, you may, dear reader, gain some insight into the mindset of those that persist with this manifestly ludicrous and absurd theory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 7 February, 2009 Share Posted 7 February, 2009 i would explain whty fans have played their part (note, i never said total blame) but what is the point...it will be dismissed anyway nineteen canteen has given a reasonable response and is mocked..brilliant DD, your view is welcome, just don't tell lies like Sundance. At the Donny game, the lads were roared off the park at half time after an entertaining 45 minutes in which we did everything but score. Then within one minute of the restart we had let a bloke waltz through and pass to a bloke in an offside position who scored. The fans went mad, only when the manager took off our midfield and wen to a formation not a single player understood. It was obvious for all to see that he had totally lost the plot and the fans - quite rightly - went beserk at 2-0 down to a team who before the game were 2nd bottom of the league, had not won away and had only scored something like 6 goals away all fecking season. Only THEN, with fans fighting, did the players react and score a goal!!! To therefore blame the fans on the basis of that game is a nonsense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 7 February, 2009 Share Posted 7 February, 2009 LG it is not about the donny game.. do you think that fan pressure did not play a factor in rupes leaving the first time...or hoddle not coming back for starters.. not saying i agree or disagree just trying to prove a point that fans to have a part to play...and wilde coming in at all costs the fans were influenced and powerful people were influenced by this... never have I said fans were/are to blame full stop..just that they play their part Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chi saint Posted 7 February, 2009 Share Posted 7 February, 2009 I think you would have to be delusional not to recognise that the fans are not helping. Look at the home record ? it speaks for itself, a team is supposed to relish playing in front of thier own supporters, can any right minded individual truly believe that this is and has been the case most of this season and for a large part of last season. One minute were complaining about fielding a team of kids who are doing their respective best but "aren't they're yet", "maybe a few years time" etc and in the next breath they're being slagged off on here and at the game, great method to aid development ..NOT. All this rubbish about how much they are paid, should be used to it, part of the game etc, no we need to look to ourselves and ask what can we do to save this season, certainly mass walk outs or protests won't do it that's for sure. I for one think it's a case of 100% vocal support from now on at the game win or lose, who knows our applause might even stir the odd player to feeling a little guilty about our position and possibly give that little extra of himself if of course it's there to give! The start of next season is the time to do something and that would be if you feel so unhappy with the situation, not renewing season tickets or not purchasing tickets on the gate...now that would have the desired impact. But at this juncture we can make a difference..it's for us to decide if it's going to be a positive one or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 7 February, 2009 Share Posted 7 February, 2009 LG it is not about the donny game.. do you think that fan pressure did not play a factor in rupes leaving the first time...or hoddle not coming back for starters.. not saying i agree or disagree just trying to prove a point that fans to have a part to play...and wilde coming in at all costs the fans were influenced and powerful people were influenced by this... never have I said fans were/are to blame full stop..just that they play their part I don't disagree DD, but I think fans only ever play a part when things are not going well or when they feel they are not being treated honestly by those who run the club. And to be fair, we are no better or worse than fans of any other club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 7 February, 2009 Share Posted 7 February, 2009 I don't disagree DD, but I think fans only ever play a part when things are not going well or when they feel they are not being treated honestly by those who run the club. And to be fair, we are no better or worse than fans of any other club. dont agree many times people mention that the dell was great for us as the fans created a great, in your face atmosphere... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 7 February, 2009 Share Posted 7 February, 2009 dont agree many times people mention that the dell was great for us as the fans created a great, in your face atmosphere... Can you supply the stats for how often this atmosphere was the decidiing factor in the team winning please? That ought to settle the argument. Cheers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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