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It strikes me that the vast majority of fans, and now the media, have seen through Lowe's 'vision' and discarded it for the joke it was back in the summer. The Club is going down, the fans are leaving in droves, Lowe and Wilde sit battered and wounded in charge and our coach lacks respect internally and externally having become Lowe's final mouthpiece. We're not down yet, we could still survive in the CCC, but it is unlikely under Wotte/Lowe.

 

I think that's a fair summation of the current situation.

 

Here's a 10 point plan for comment - or at least to guide Crouch and others. Its a suggestion, and the best logic I can come up with to set this club back up again as quickly as possible for success. It is prone to changes as things develop, but right now its a route map to get us on track. It is intended as something to build upon and has many stumbling points, but at least it provides hope, optimism and the chance of survival.

 

Grateful for debate around it... but something HAS to be done quickly.

 

 

1. Up the pressure from fans for Lowe and Wotte to go. I am afraid there is nothing to lose by singing and producing banners in games now. Protests need to be increased.

 

2. The local media (and MP, given the cost of protesting both emotionally and in terms of policing can lend his support too) now follow up todays story calling for Lowe and Wilde to stand down in favour of Crouch/Corbett.

 

3. Assuming we get Lowe to finally admit defeat (herein lies the tricky bit!)... Crouch is appointed as plc Chairman, Corbett to Club (a limited appointment for Mary, symbolic more than anything).

 

4. Crouch and Corbett call for fan support and pledge to do all they can to sell this Club at the earliest opportunity for the good of the Club. Crouch to put in his £2m to bring in loan players. Induce hope and optimism.

 

5. Appoint a British manager with League 1 and CCC experience who may attract loanees and can fight. Increase hope and optimism.

 

6. Pack out Saint Mary's for the best relegation run in battle for years! Could be fun!

 

7. Survive? or... relegate but continue to back Crouch and our manager in League 1.

 

8. Avoid administration if possible - to remove prevent Lowe buying up the club cheaply.

 

9. Seek a buyer.

 

10. Promote.

 

 

Anyone a better idea...? Wotte/Lowe continuing is NOT a viable option.

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It strikes me that the vast majority of fans, and now the media, have seen through Lowe's 'vision' and discarded it for the joke it was back in the summer. The Club is going down, the fans are leaving in droves, Lowe and Wilde sit battered and wounded in charge and our coach lacks respect internally and externally having become Lowe's final mouthpiece. We're not down yet, we could still survive in the CCC, but it is unlikely under Wotte/Lowe.

 

I think that's a fair summation of the current situation.

 

Here's a 10 point plan for comment - or at least to guide Crouch and others. Its a suggestion, and the best logic I can come up with to set this club back up again as quickly as possible for success. It is prone to changes as things develop, but right now its a route map to get us on track. It is intended as something to build upon and has many stumbling points, but at least it provides hope, optimism and the chance of survival.

 

Grateful for debate around it... but something HAS to be done quickly.

 

 

1. Up the pressure from fans for Lowe and Wotte to go. I am afraid there is nothing to lose by singing and producing banners in games now. Protests need to be increased.

 

2. The local media (and MP, given the cost of protesting both emotionally and in terms of policing can lend his support too) now follow up todays story calling for Lowe and Wilde to stand down in favour of Crouch/Corbett.

 

3. Assuming we get Lowe to finally admit defeat (herein lies the tricky bit!)... Crouch is appointed as plc Chairman, Corbett to Club (a limited appointment for Mary, symbolic more than anything).

 

4. Crouch and Corbett call for fan support and pledge to do all they can to sell this Club at the earliest opportunity for the good of the Club. Crouch to put in his £2m to bring in loan players. Induce hope and optimism.

 

5. Appoint a British manager with League 1 and CCC experience who may attract loanees and can fight. Increase hope and optimism.

 

6. Pack out Saint Mary's for the best relegation run in battle for years! Could be fun!

 

7. Survive? or... relegate but continue to back Crouch and our manager in League 1.

 

8. Avoid administration if possible - to remove prevent Lowe buying up the club cheaply.

 

9. Seek a buyer.

 

10. Promote.

 

 

Anyone a better idea...? Wotte/Lowe continuing is NOT a viable option.

 

 

Sounds so simple but...Lowe et al are superglued to SLH/SFC..Only shed loads of money will get them out

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It strikes me that the vast majority of fans, and now the media, have seen through Lowe's 'vision' and discarded it for the joke it was back in the summer. The Club is going down, the fans are leaving in droves, Lowe and Wilde sit battered and wounded in charge and our coach lacks respect internally and externally having become Lowe's final mouthpiece. We're not down yet, we could still survive in the CCC, but it is unlikely under Wotte/Lowe.

 

I think that's a fair summation of the current situation.

 

Here's a 10 point plan for comment - or at least to guide Crouch and others. Its a suggestion, and the best logic I can come up with to set this club back up again as quickly as possible for success. It is prone to changes as things develop, but right now its a route map to get us on track. It is intended as something to build upon and has many stumbling points, but at least it provides hope, optimism and the chance of survival.

 

Grateful for debate around it... but something HAS to be done quickly.

 

 

1. Up the pressure from fans for Lowe and Wotte to go. I am afraid there is nothing to lose by singing and producing banners in games now. Protests need to be increased.

 

2. The local media (and MP, given the cost of protesting both emotionally and in terms of policing can lend his support too) now follow up todays story calling for Lowe and Wilde to stand down in favour of Crouch/Corbett.

 

3. Assuming we get Lowe to finally admit defeat (herein lies the tricky bit!)... Crouch is appointed as plc Chairman, Corbett to Club (a limited appointment for Mary, symbolic more than anything).

 

4. Crouch and Corbett call for fan support and pledge to do all they can to sell this Club at the earliest opportunity for the good of the Club. Crouch to put in his £2m to bring in loan players. Induce hope and optimism.

 

5. Appoint a British manager with League 1 and CCC experience who may attract loanees and can fight. Increase hope and optimism.

 

6. Pack out Saint Mary's for the best relegation run in battle for years! Could be fun!

 

7. Survive? or... relegate but continue to back Crouch and our manager in League 1.

 

8. Avoid administration if possible - to remove prevent Lowe buying up the club cheaply.

 

9. Seek a buyer.

 

10. Promote.

 

 

Anyone a better idea...? Wotte/Lowe continuing is NOT a viable option.

 

I agree on Lowe/Wilde continuing not being an option but by putting Corbett and Crouch back on the podium we are just recycling problems. The party that isn't in the boardroom will p!ss back inside the boardroom when they are ousted, we already know this. Someone with a bit more gravitas and less baggage like Salz - if he could be talked into it - might be a compromise and might keep the bank sweet. Local politicians commenting on sporting matters is always a bit dubious - I can remember that group of MPs that wanted Danny Wilson sacked from Sheff Wed. Agree totally on Points 5 & 6, I'd replace Wotte tommorrow with Cotterill or any number of candidates. Also, I don't think Rupert would be allowed anywhere near SFC post-administration as his track-record of 2 relegations rules him out.

 

What I would like when the dust finally settles is a life ban for Askham (and others) for the Bowyer affair.

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Why should fans support a xenophobic campaign that ties us to a British manager? Good job you aren't a Swansea fan, despite promotion and the possibility of a 2nd promotion, you'd still hate the manager.

 

 

British manager who exactly......With CCC experience and promotion experience ????

 

Ermmmmm

 

Peter Reid ? Alan Curbishly ? who else ??? I cant think of any .

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Robbie im sure you have conjured the list up in all good faith but dont't you think you should not be xampaigning for the managers rmovaljust yet?

Many say we are a laughing stock as a club, but the fans to call for them nager to be sacked after 3 games!!!!!! Wotte may have been brought in at the same time but he did not have control over tactics coaching and teams etc.Give us a break supporting saints is tough enough let alone this strife all the time.

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Robbie im sure you have conjured the list up in all good faith but dont't you think you should not be xampaigning for the managers rmovaljust yet?

Many say we are a laughing stock as a club, but the fans to call for them nager to be sacked after 3 games!!!!!! Wotte may have been brought in at the same time but he did not have control over tactics coaching and teams etc.Give us a break supporting saints is tough enough let alone this strife all the time.

 

Nick - I'm sorry but I can't see Wotte being anything else other than a continuation of the problem... I dont support a manager who blames the fans for poor turnouts and lack of support when he's just acting as a mouthpiece for Lowe. Wotte is part of the original idea - now proven to be flawed. He was one of those convincing Lowe to run with it 2 years ago. What's more his results are so far unimpressive. I think promoting from within is generally always a waste of time.

 

Wotte HAS to go quickly ... problem is you cant sequence it any other way - you cant remove Wotte without removing Lowe.

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It strikes me that the vast majority of fans, and now the media, have seen through Lowe's 'vision' and discarded it for the joke it was back in the summer. The Club is going down, the fans are leaving in droves, Lowe and Wilde sit battered and wounded in charge and our coach lacks respect internally and externally having become Lowe's final mouthpiece. We're not down yet, we could still survive in the CCC, but it is unlikely under Wotte/Lowe.

 

I think that's a fair summation of the current situation.

 

Here's a 10 point plan for comment - or at least to guide Crouch and others. Its a suggestion, and the best logic I can come up with to set this club back up again as quickly as possible for success. It is prone to changes as things develop, but right now its a route map to get us on track. It is intended as something to build upon and has many stumbling points, but at least it provides hope, optimism and the chance of survival.

 

Grateful for debate around it... but something HAS to be done quickly.

 

 

1. Up the pressure from fans for Lowe and Wotte to go. I am afraid there is nothing to lose by singing and producing banners in games now. Protests need to be increased.

 

2. The local media (and MP, given the cost of protesting both emotionally and in terms of policing can lend his support too) now follow up todays story calling for Lowe and Wilde to stand down in favour of Crouch/Corbett.

 

3. Assuming we get Lowe to finally admit defeat (herein lies the tricky bit!)... Crouch is appointed as plc Chairman, Corbett to Club (a limited appointment for Mary, symbolic more than anything).

 

4. Crouch and Corbett call for fan support and pledge to do all they can to sell this Club at the earliest opportunity for the good of the Club. Crouch to put in his £2m to bring in loan players. Induce hope and optimism.

 

5. Appoint a British manager with League 1 and CCC experience who may attract loanees and can fight. Increase hope and optimism.

 

6. Pack out Saint Mary's for the best relegation run in battle for years! Could be fun!

 

7. Survive? or... relegate but continue to back Crouch and our manager in League 1.

 

8. Avoid administration if possible - to remove prevent Lowe buying up the club cheaply.

 

9. Seek a buyer.

 

10. Promote.

 

 

Anyone a better idea...? Wotte/Lowe continuing is NOT a viable option.

 

lowe only went last time because he knew he was outvoted by the breakdown of the shareholders,not because of any of the protests,the only way he will go if wilde sides with crouch or someone takes rupert or wildes shares of them.

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It strikes me that the vast majority of fans, and now the media, have seen through Lowe's 'vision' and discarded it for the joke it was back in the summer. The Club is going down, the fans are leaving in droves, Lowe and Wilde sit battered and wounded in charge and our coach lacks respect internally and externally having become Lowe's final mouthpiece. We're not down yet, we could still survive in the CCC, but it is unlikely under Wotte/Lowe.

 

I think that's a fair summation of the current situation.

 

Here's a 10 point plan for comment - or at least to guide Crouch and others. Its a suggestion, and the best logic I can come up with to set this club back up again as quickly as possible for success. It is prone to changes as things develop, but right now its a route map to get us on track. It is intended as something to build upon and has many stumbling points, but at least it provides hope, optimism and the chance of survival.

 

Grateful for debate around it... but something HAS to be done quickly.

 

 

1. Up the pressure from fans for Lowe and Wotte to go. I am afraid there is nothing to lose by singing and producing banners in games now. Protests need to be increased.

 

This will lead to ruining the remaining chances this team have of staying up. We need about 6 wins and 4 draws from our last 15 games to give us a decent chance. Producing banners and singing against Lowe or whatever is hardly going to be conducive to providing the players witha motivating atmosphere to save all our necks is it. How does this reconcile with point 6? Any revenue generated by increase attendance will be negated by the hostile atmosphere and failure to win games which will lead to relegation and administration. Point 1 without 6 could expediate the path to administration maybe before relegation.

 

2. The local media (and MP, given the cost of protesting both emotionally and in terms of policing can lend his support too) now follow up todays story calling for Lowe and Wilde to stand down in favour of Crouch/Corbett.

 

Local MP in bid to save football club. Do you watch the news? Unemployment at a 10 year high, houses being repossed and no where to re-house the potentially homeless, West Quay development canned because of the recession, crime rates incrasing especially burglarly and an underfunded police force to tackle it, etc, etc etc. Good luck with getting your MP to tackle your moans.

 

Crouch and Corbett are not even a short term proposition and I defer to Window Cleaner's and CB FRy's excellent posts on the Mary Corbet for Chairman thread as they say it all.

 

3. Assuming we get Lowe to finally admit defeat (herein lies the tricky bit!)... Crouch is appointed as plc Chairman, Corbett to Club (a limited appointment for Mary, symbolic more than anything).

 

More shambolic than symbolic, 3 points in and you make an assumption that if he doesn't happen your whole 10 point plan will be in tatters. Shouldn't the guaranteed removal of Lowe be point 1 and point 2 how you are going to achieve that?

 

5 names why Crocuh should not be allowed anywhere near the club - McMenemy, Trant, Dodd, Gorman and Pericard and all in 5 short term months.

 

4. Crouch and Corbett call for fan support and pledge to do all they can to sell this Club at the earliest opportunity for the good of the Club. Crouch to put in his £2m to bring in loan players. Induce hope and optimism.

 

And when that £2m has been exhausted what happens next? Has Crouch ever invested money into the club of any significant size without trying to imply conditions i.e. a loan? Crouch has called for fan support before and promised much but delivered nothing. Did your parents ever tell you the story about Peter and the Wolf? Crouch and Corbett can call all they like but this time I doubt anyone will listen before Wolf & Co the Administrators move in.

 

5. Appoint a British manager with League 1 and CCC experience who may attract loanees and can fight. Increase hope and optimism.

 

A British Manager? Advertise and recruit solely using that criteria and you will find yourself on a course with Prince Harry and probably hung out to dry by the European Union and various other government groups concerned about race and equality. How about a Scottish Manager, Levene, Calderwood or even Coyle, latter seems to be doing ok without previous experience in league 1 or CCC.

 

6. Pack out Saint Mary's for the best relegation run in battle for years! Could be fun!

 

Agreed but only if you intend to fully support the team unconditionally win lose or draw they need their confidence built up and that won't happen if the first point of this plan goes ahead.

 

7. Survive? or... relegate but continue to back Crouch and our manager in League 1.

 

Have you considered if the bankers will look favourably on another change in chairman in a recession that could be as bad as any in the last 100 years. Do you think they will listen to Crouch's rhetoric about increasing fan numbers and if so can he support that with past evidence at the removal of Lowe or at teh time of his last appointment? What happens to our attendnace evertime our forms drops or we are relegated? IMO I think they'll write Crouch of as a dreamer and call in our overdraft.

 

8. Avoid administration if possible - to remove prevent Lowe buying up the club cheaply.

 

Administration could happen under Lowes watch and in my opinion it is the only way he can be removed because if he goes we will be in the end game anyway as per my comments above. If fans continue to desert the club or don't help instil confidence in the team by supporting them unconditionally they will have no chance of pulling off a survival bid and administration will come before relegation IMO. The banks will look at the situation and decide enough is enough and unless an Investor can come in and pay off Barclays it will be ADMINISTRATION. Said investor will still need a lot of cash or commited funding sources to take beyond another 6 months.

 

9. Seek a buyer.

 

How? Send Mary out on a friend of a friend reconnaissance? Seriously Robbie how do you seek a buyer? You'll need a 10 point plan of action for this and in the current environment where are you going to start. If we go into administration and sell the club for a nominal amount they will still need to show they can finance the debt. Are you and Leon going to appear on Dragon's Den?

 

10. Promote.

???????

 

Anyone a better idea...? Wotte/Lowe continuing is NOT a viable option.

 

Robbie, how long have you actually thought about this? Comments above and then below I have mapped out two very realistic plans A and B beyond that all options are exhausted.

 

Plan A

 

1. Throw all our support behind the team for the next 15 games and with unity and optimism our team may rebuild their lost confidence and acheive those 6 or 7 wins we need for starters.

 

2. Keep the faith with Lowe, The banks at this stage will not look favourably IMO at a change without significant investment.

 

3. Assess the situation at the end of the season when the outcomes are known.

 

4. Survive and remain trading, we retain Lowe.

 

Plan B

 

Relegation and remain trading, Lowe has to resign as the drop in attendances plus the fact the protests to remove him will heighten and the club would undoubtedly fold through further decrease in revenue. So his position would become untenable and it would reflect poorly on him in a professional sense if he stayed IMO. Therefore, recruit and appoint a CEO that is universally accepted by all shareholders to manage the club. Expertise in running a PLC a pre-requisite and a football club a nice to have. Appoint some reputable non-exceutive directors to protect shareholder interest, people like Salz, Dineage (joke!) etc. and Crouch Wilde Lowe Corbett and all the rest remain simply as shareholders.

 

Relegation and administration or survival and adminstration then its up to the administrators and the fans will not have a say in proceedings. The administrators will try and sell the club but that will be dependent on those bidding to buy it and their business cases to manage the club in the future. It may be decided to simply wind it up and sell off its assets, bottom line none of us know and that is why administration must be avoided a bit like Robbies memorable 10 point plan.

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I started following the Saints over half a century ago. That said I hope that my kids can do the same. A lot of sense is in your response NC but I do feel we can remove him quickly with one all out boycott.Though this will hurt the club to a degree it will be far less damaging than what we have now.

Extra police for the various demonstrations costs a lot of money. The ever increasing loss of gate receipts and sales generally will lose a lot of money. The loss of tv revenue again means loss of money.

All of that will cost the club more than a total one off boycott. ST's money is safe and already spent whether holders turn up or not. So though a boycott will hurt short term it could have the desired effect for the majority of fans.

Lowe could have made his position a lot safer by being vastly more open with regard to his dealings with us the fans. Honesty and openness is not going to cost him any money but it would help us understand what and why he has done the things he has. He has made several false calls and they seem far worse because of the way he treats us. In his eyes it appears as though we are far to thick to understand our problems. We might have given him more time with full honesty.

I feel the hurt like most on here, and elsewhere, when we lose to teams we used to trounce. I watched the Saints in the old Division 3 south and if necessary will watch them in Division 1 as it is now.

One thing I would like the various demonstrations to offer the club is this. Give the Preston game a large gate and tell the club that if Lowe is in charge for the next weekend home game we will have a totall boycott. Publicise the threat and the fact that we will do our best to fill the ground with the missing support. Let the club know they will lose us if they don't react and give the board a chance to rid us of he who must go.

Just an idea.

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Robbie, how long have you actually thought about this? Comments above and then below I have mapped out two very realistic plans A and B beyond that all options are exhausted.

 

Plan A

 

1. Throw all our support behind the team for the next 15 games and with unity and optimism our team may rebuild their lost confidence and acheive those 6 or 7 wins we need for starters.

 

2. Keep the faith with Lowe, The banks at this stage will not look favourably IMO at a change without significant investment.

 

3. Assess the situation at the end of the season when the outcomes are known.

 

4. Survive and remain trading, we retain Lowe.

 

Plan B

 

Relegation and remain trading, Lowe has to resign as the drop in attendances plus the fact the protests to remove him will heighten and the club would undoubtedly fold through further decrease in revenue. So his position would become untenable and it would reflect poorly on him in a professional sense if he stayed IMO. Therefore, recruit and appoint a CEO that is universally accepted by all shareholders to manage the club. Expertise in running a PLC a pre-requisite and a football club a nice to have. Appoint some reputable non-exceutive directors to protect shareholder interest, people like Salz, Dineage (joke!) etc. and Crouch Wilde Lowe Corbett and all the rest remain simply as shareholders.

 

Relegation and administration or survival and adminstration then its up to the administrators and the fans will not have a say in proceedings. The administrators will try and sell the club but that will be dependent on those bidding to buy it and their business cases to manage the club in the future. It may be decided to simply wind it up and sell off its assets, bottom line none of us know and that is why administration must be avoided a bit like Robbies memorable 10 point plan.

 

I think Plan A sucks - not a starter, faith is lost in Lowe and his professional reputation in running a football club is shot to pieces anyway. But B has some legs although I cant see Lowe leaving, I think he has a plan to buy the club in administration, but certainly some ideas I would support. As for your last line, all I'm trying to do is get people to think about some more options rather than sit and do nothing and let the club die. You can make a daft comment and miss that point if you like, I dont really care, but I think we all want the same outcomes. At least you're thinking about it. Good ideas in Plan B. We're starting to get somewhere. A CEO is a very good option.

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6. Pack out Saint Mary's for the best relegation run in battle for years! Could be fun!

 

How many on here would honestly hand on heart be willing to attend every game that do not currrently attend? Many reasons have been given for people not going, but I suspect that quite a few have gotten out of the habit.

 

If Rupert left and the average crowd was up just 5 thousand, how much would that equate to in m oney terms? Obviously other costs like staffing would increasae, but would it be enough in itself to fund some decent loanees and a proven manager?

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This season is dead. At the moment there is only one way this club is going and that is down. There are just too many adverse issues blighting the club - its like not being able to reverse out of a cul-de-sac.

 

However, the current business climate provides an EXCELLENT opportunity to introduce a short-sharp-shock message to Lowe and Wilde in the form of a financial wake-up call. ST Holders are the key to the saviour of this club - boycott March Madness and this will have a huge impact on Lowe's position. Best case scenario is that Lowe resigns and someone comes in to stop the madness - it may or may not happen, but somebody has to step up to the plate to try to make a difference.

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Thanks Stu - I saw a Sky Sports piece on these guys and I was very impressed by them. Adam Pearson also did a tremendous job and laid the foundations for Hull - God, I wish we'd had a CEO like that. Unlike Mr Lowe, he also knew at Hull when he'd taken it as far as he could and handed over to Paul Duffy. Sadly, Mr Lowe has been the only one in Askham's cabal with a brain that processes anything other than asset stripping, hence we had success 1997-2003 despite that group holding us back in general. Sadly, with less than a 6% stake, he's only been their puppet and after a few dreadful mistakes, continues to have Askham's hand up his arse whilst taking the heat off of them.

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It strikes me that the vast majority of fans, and now the media, have seen through Lowe's 'vision' and discarded it for the joke it was back in the summer. The Club is going down, the fans are leaving in droves, Lowe and Wilde sit battered and wounded in charge and our coach lacks respect internally and externally having become Lowe's final mouthpiece. We're not down yet, we could still survive in the CCC, but it is unlikely under Wotte/Lowe.

 

I think that's a fair summation of the current situation.

 

Here's a 10 point plan for comment - or at least to guide Crouch and others. Its a suggestion, and the best logic I can come up with to set this club back up again as quickly as possible for success. It is prone to changes as things develop, but right now its a route map to get us on track. It is intended as something to build upon and has many stumbling points, but at least it provides hope, optimism and the chance of survival.

 

Grateful for debate around it... but something HAS to be done quickly.

 

 

1. Up the pressure from fans for Lowe and Wotte to go. I am afraid there is nothing to lose by singing and producing banners in games now. Protests need to be increased.

 

2. The local media (and MP, given the cost of protesting both emotionally and in terms of policing can lend his support too) now follow up todays story calling for Lowe and Wilde to stand down in favour of Crouch/Corbett.

 

3. Assuming we get Lowe to finally admit defeat (herein lies the tricky bit!)... Crouch is appointed as plc Chairman, Corbett to Club (a limited appointment for Mary, symbolic more than anything).

 

4. Crouch and Corbett call for fan support and pledge to do all they can to sell this Club at the earliest opportunity for the good of the Club. Crouch to put in his £2m to bring in loan players. Induce hope and optimism.

 

5. Appoint a British manager with League 1 and CCC experience who may attract loanees and can fight. Increase hope and optimism.

 

6. Pack out Saint Mary's for the best relegation run in battle for years! Could be fun!

 

7. Survive? or... relegate but continue to back Crouch and our manager in League 1.

 

8. Avoid administration if possible - to remove prevent Lowe buying up the club cheaply.

 

9. Seek a buyer.

 

10. Promote.

 

 

Anyone a better idea...? Wotte/Lowe continuing is NOT a viable option.

 

I thought you were another Stanley/ Alpine Saint misery merchant but you are actually a Crouch luvvie, aren't you?

He ain't the answer and he is currently part of the problem

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A very interesting read, thanks for the link.

 

One of my concerns is that there is no way Lowe could engender such a spirit amongst the supporters, the city and the wider catchment area, due to his past and present failings.

 

Whilst that may not be a massive hindrance when the money is flowing in from other sources, it certainly starts to bite when you find yourselves in the predicament we are in.

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