Humble Pie is being defrosted

[Thorpe-le-Saint]

After what can only be described as brilliant performances by Saints over the last three matches, my initial mis-givings about Wotte are starting to be put to bed. We are actually playing some of that 'Sexy Football' we were promised. Last night is a case in point; we passed Ipswich off the park.

 

Although in my opinion it is too early to start chanting his name etc, I am getting well and truely ready to eat some humble pie and I'll be glad to do so!

[Window Cleaner]

Make sure it's not past the use by date then.

[saint boggy]

i think there will be plenty of other diners ready to join you at the table ,mate..........myself included!!...............

[ottery st mary]

IF and I hope it will be the case..Add me to the list..I would prefer steak and kidney please.

[trousers]

my initial mis-givings about Wotte are starting to be put to bed.

 

Just to clarify, were your misgivings about Wotte, per se, or the tactics that he helped implement during the first 2/3rds of the season?

 

My misgivings were about the tactics that I thought he might carry on with so no need for humble pie now that Wotte has ditched them.

 

IMHO of course.

[Scudamore]

http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=10607

[Frank's cousin]

TBF must also partake in a slice because despite being initially supportive of the whole thing, thought Wotte would be more of the same...

[Whitey Grandad]

So far, so good....

[saintjay77]

I didnt slate him and was half ready to give him a go. not because i thought he would do any better or because i thought he was the best choice. It was more because id lost all hope in anything good happening at SFC so didnt really object to it.

 

Ill eat humble pie for the JP decission though as I thought he would have suprised everyone and would have got a team based around kids taking the P out of allot of teams. I was wrong so hands up.

[70's Mike]

Glad to be wrong at the moment but this is Saints and who knows what will happen tomorrow, he pay ask for a pay rise

[West End Saint]

After what can only be described as brilliant performances by Saints over the last three matches, my initial mis-givings about Wotte are starting to be put to bed. We are actually playing some of that 'Sexy Football' we were promised. Last night is a case in point; we passed Ipswich off the park.

 

Although in my opinion it is too early to start chanting his name etc, I am getting well and truely ready to eat some humble pie and I'll be glad to do so!

 

I might need a large slice of that pie Thorpe I was very under whelmed with Wotte as manager and I am still not 100 % sure about him he has said some stupid things and is too far up Wuperts rear end for my liking but if he manages to keep us up I will admit I was wrong and he will have my full support I am waiting till next season before chanting his name but if we stay up I will

 

UTS

[Snowballs2]

Results are certainly better, but, its still early days, and plenty of time for things to go wrong

[St_Tel49]

Results are certainly better, but, its still early days, and plenty of time for things to go wrong

 

Attaboy ;-)

[Alain Perrin]

Finally some are realising the value of our award winning catering.......

[Colinjb]

I will only eat humble pie if we get back into Europe or reach a cup final with Lowe at the helm, until then he is just clearing up his own mess.

[chi saint]

After what can only be described as brilliant performances by Saints over the last three matches, my initial mis-givings about Wotte are starting to be put to bed. We are actually playing some of that 'Sexy Football' we were promised. Last night is a case in point; we passed Ipswich off the park.

 

Although in my opinion it is too early to start chanting his name etc, I am getting well and truely ready to eat some humble pie and I'll be glad to do so!

 

Full credit to you and others who are willing to at least consider the possibility that Wotte might, just might, know what he is doing and in the process, all things being equal, save us from the drop.

 

You can see plenty of others already peddling backwards and trying to justify their criticisms.

 

Nobody said Rupert had the answer but that Wotte should be given all the support we had to offer and clearly things are on the up.

[ottery st mary]

Full credit to you and others who are willing to at least consider the possibility that Wotte might, just might, know what he is doing and in the process, all things being equal, save us from the drop.

 

You can see plenty of others already peddling backwards and trying to justify their criticisms.

 

Nobody said Rupert had the answer but that Wotte should be given all the support we had to offer and clearly things are on the up.

 

steady on here none of us really mean it and Wotte is still on probation and Lowey has gone, surely the decisions recently prove that.

 

Lowe out and his Dancing troupe;)

[Wade Garrett]

It's amazing what a manager can do without interference from above.

 

The team has more of a balance of experience and youth. Wotte is doing well.

[Durleyfos]

When we're out the bottom three and safe, then I might tuck my napkin into my shirt collar and tuck in.

[Nineteen Canteen]

Results are certainly better, but, its still early days, and plenty of time for things to go wrong

 

Plenty time for you to accept things have changed for the better and the need to change your most pertinacious posts.

 

Never ceases to amaze me how some of our most stubborn doom mongers turn things around to suit their own depressing stance. A few weeks ago time was running out for the club to survive relegation and now after 3 excellent results we suddenly have plenty of time for things to go wrong? Has somebody slipped in an extra month and another half a dozen fixtures between March and April?

 

Snowballs I can only hope your are referring to off the pitch 'things' because time is the one constant and can't be running out and then in the next breath have plenty of it , or is that how desperate the most obsessive anti-Lowe fans have become.

[Nineteen Canteen]

It's amazing what a manager can do without interference from above.

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More innuendo dressed up as fact

[Junior Mullet]

NO!!!!! Wotte seems like an arrogant and aggressive twit and our recent performances may be a result of him telling the players to prove us wrong.

 

I say we continue to publicly dislike him so thatthe team's performances don't drop. In fact, let's keep with the hatred until we are promoted next year.

[JohnnyFartPants]

NO!!!!! Wotte seems like an arrogant and aggressive twit and our recent performances may be a result of him telling the players to prove us wrong.

 

I say we continue to publicly dislike him so thatthe team's performances don't drop. In fact, let's keep with the hatred until we are promoted next year.

 

What a Narcisus dinlo point of view you have. So a new man comes in and immediately begins to turn things around but you think it might be because a few nerds "publicly dislike him"? Seriously mate, have yourself checked out.

[Scummer]

Never ceases to amaze me how some of our most stubborn doom mongers turn things around to suit their own depressing stance. A few weeks ago time was running out for the club to survive relegation and now after 3 excellent results we suddenly have plenty of time for things to go wrong? Has somebody slipped in an extra month and another half a dozen fixtures between March and April?

 

Surely things still are wrong? Last time I checked, we were still in the relegation zone. There's an awful lot of work still to be done, and I won't be celebrating until we are safe.

[david in sweden]

NO!!!!! Wotte seems like an arrogant and aggressive twit and our recent performances may be a result of him telling the players to prove us wrong. I say we continue to publicly dislike him so thatthe team's performances don't drop. In fact, let's keep with the hatred until we are promoted next year.

 

 

Of course there is a big culture clash here. " E 'aint Inglish ' iver "

 

Take it from me, living with and speaking a " foreign " language can be very challenging at times. Although I must say that Mark Wotte handles English considerably better than his predecessor (!) and somewhat better than some established English managers...(sorry 'bout dat 'Arry !)

 

On the contrary I think Wotte "style" is very positive, none of this whining and moaning. Even after the tragic Sheff Utd game, which we deserved to win ...MW was quick to defend his strategy " ..one point was no good ..we needed three " .. even though it backfired, a lot of managers would have defended the last 5 mins. and held out for a point. He knew we needed three.

 

IMHO ...his manner (NO, not his record)..is just as agressive and positive as Lawrie Mac in his early days, who wasn't afraid to call a spade a spade and used harsh words when necessary. Anyway, we don't all have to like him, and as someone said...as long as we keep getting the points who cares what he says or does ?

[saint boggy]

i really couldn't give a monkeys if Wotte is a nice bloke or not..........how many times have we been heard saying "nice guys finish last" etc (Wigley, Gray )........i want a manager who the team will work bloody hard for, coz they're too sh1t scared to get on the wrong side of!

and so what if he's said things against the fans?...............got us all fired up and passionate about OUR club again, didn't it??? :cool:

[JohnnyFartPants]

i really couldn't give a monkeys if Wotte is a nice bloke or not..........how many times have we been heard saying "nice guys finish last" etc (Wigley, Gray )........i want a manager who the team will work bloody hard for, coz they're too sh1t scared to get on the wrong side of!

and so what if he's said things against the fans?...............got us all fired up and passionate about OUR club again, didn't it??? :cool:

 

That is pretty much how I see it.

[trousers]

So a new man comes in

 

To borrow the words and sentiments of Michael Wilde, Wotte has been a pivotal part of the management team for over 9 months so "new" is stretching things a tad.

 

IMHO of course.

[JohnnyFartPants]

To borrow the words and sentiments of Michael Wilde, Wotte has been a pivotal part of the management team for over 9 months so "new" is stretching things a tad.

 

IMHO of course.

 

Given the total and immediate change he has made, I would suggest his role is now totally different, therefore a new man doing the job.

[trousers]

Given the total and immediate change he has made, I would suggest his role is now totally different, therefore a new man doing the job.

 

Yep, he's got a new job title, but to imply (?) that he had no input whatsoever into first team affairs is, I would venture, bordering on the naive.

 

However, for sake of balance, lets entertain the idea that he did indeed have very little to do with the running of the first team....if this is the case, don't people find it worrying that we had a bloke (Wotte) standing by watching our season go down the pan and all the time he was thinking "God, if I was head coach I'd be playing a more traditional 4-4-2 and insisting some of the older heads played more regularly".

 

Either Wotte was heavily involved in all aspects of the playing side of the club (as per the OS articles from Wilde and co at the time) and, if so, can't be described as a 'new man doing the job' or he had nowt to do with the first team and, if so, the original words from Wilde were hollow and/or Wotte stood by saying nothing whilst thinking that our tactics weren't right.

 

Which is it?

 

Yes, he's brought in new tactics but he could (IMHO) have urged Lowe to nip the problem in the bud a lot earlier rather than wait for 'circumstances' to force him and/or the club into a tactical u-turn.

[St Landrew]

Excellent results for sure, and if this was any other club, and I was a supporter [fat chance] I would be ecstatic. But this is Saints, and I'm not going to be tugged into any false sense of security. I've seen too many false dawns, even when this club was in the top division. We are still in a position to be relegated, and while I support Wotte 100% in his efforts, just like I did with JP, lets get a bit of daylight between us and the bottom 3, and then I'll know if he's the real deal. I won't even wait for the end of the season. Just a few more games will convince me. The one coming up will be a real test, whether Brum are on form or not.

[david in sweden]

Excellent results for sure, and if this was any other club, and I was a supporter [fat chance] I would be ecstatic. But this is Saints, and I'm not going to be tugged into any false sense of security. I've seen too many false dawns, even when this club was in the top division. We are still in a position to be relegated, and while I support Wotte 100% in his efforts, just like I did with JP, lets get a bit of daylight between us and the bottom 3, and then I'll know if he's the real deal. I won't even wait for the end of the season. Just a few more games will convince me. The one coming up will be a real test, whether Brum are on form or not.

 

 

I'll go with that too, Andrew.

Three wins on the trot is great , isn't it ? ..(when did that happen last ?)

BUT I'd be happier to see this form continue a bit longer.

[saintstr1]

I to was not overly impressed with the appointment of Wotte, But if he keeps us up then fair play I will be very impressed. Nine points from the last 3 matches is great and has at least kept us in the mix, but unless we take at least 7 points from the next 3 Matches I am not sure it will alter much .......... Here's Hopeing

[eelpie]

It's dangerous to defrost too quickly. Can cause the collywobbles.

[Wade Garrett]

More innuendo dressed up as fact

 

 

Not really, just an opinion.

 

You've got enough of them.

[Gingeletiss]

Most of his, is fantasy dressed up as fact:roll:

[JohnnyFartPants]

Most of his, is fantasy dressed up as fact:roll:

 

[SaintRobbie]

After what can only be described as brilliant performances by Saints over the last three matches, my initial mis-givings about Wotte are starting to be put to bed. We are actually playing some of that 'Sexy Football' we were promised. Last night is a case in point; we passed Ipswich off the park.

 

Although in my opinion it is too early to start chanting his name etc, I am getting well and truely ready to eat some humble pie and I'll be glad to do so!

 

mmmmmm... I am prepared to eat humble pie too with regards to Wotte IF he keeps us up.

 

But, with regards to Lowe he still has to be hounded out of this club for good. If not it'll be one more crap decision and idea after another. The man is a menace and even if we do stay up will keep fans away.

 

Lowe must be sacked. He's a loser and just causes damage.

[rallyboy]

if we are talking about Mr Wotte's homemade humble pie - yes he has proved me wrong.

 

So a small bit for me please, and Mr Lowe will have the other 31 slices.

[Foxstone]

The way we are playing now as a co-hesive unit, with skill and with pride I think is down to Wotte and his staff.

 

Even if we go down now, I would perhaps more credit that with Wotte being left with too much to do to save us rather than any short-comings on his part.

 

I would be prepared to stick with him for at least the remainder of this season and next regardless of what division we are in.

[Window Cleaner]

Humble Pie, first of the "supergroups".

 

Spooky Tooth/Herd/Small Faces.

[eurosaint]

Plenty time for you to accept things have changed for the better and the need to change your most pertinacious posts.

 

Never ceases to amaze me how some of our most stubborn doom mongers turn things around to suit their own depressing stance. A few weeks ago time was running out for the club to survive relegation and now after 3 excellent results we suddenly have plenty of time for things to go wrong? Has somebody slipped in an extra month and another half a dozen fixtures between March and April?

 

Snowballs I can only hope your are referring to off the pitch 'things' because time is the one constant and can't be running out and then in the next breath have plenty of it , or is that how desperate the most obsessive anti-Lowe fans have become.

 

Just please don't tell us that this was a strategic plan B, as we all know that it was more by luck than judgement on Rupert's part !

FWIW I am delighted that MW has made a great start and has given us renewed hope.

Long may it continue and if anyone chants his name I'll be happy to join in, no probs !!!

[GreenTreeFrog]

Yep, he's got a new job title, but to imply (?) that he had no input whatsoever into first team affairs is, I would venture, bordering on the naive.

 

However, for sake of balance, lets entertain the idea that he did indeed have very little to do with the running of the first team....if this is the case, don't people find it worrying that we had a bloke (Wotte) standing by watching our season go down the pan and all the time he was thinking "God, if I was head coach I'd be playing a more traditional 4-4-2 and insisting some of the older heads played more regularly".

 

Either Wotte was heavily involved in all aspects of the playing side of the club (as per the OS articles from Wilde and co at the time) and, if so, can't be described as a 'new man doing the job' or he had nowt to do with the first team and, if so, the original words from Wilde were hollow and/or Wotte stood by saying nothing whilst thinking that our tactics weren't right.

 

Which is it?

 

Yes, he's brought in new tactics but he could (IMHO) have urged Lowe to nip the problem in the bud a lot earlier rather than wait for 'circumstances' to force him and/or the club into a tactical u-turn.

 

Did JFP actually ‘imply’ Woote had no input whatsoever in first team affairs? I don’t think he did.

 

You develop this fabrication further and ‘for balance’ suggest there could only be two possible options which basically give us the choice of between ‘it’s virtually all Woote’s fault anyway’ or ‘he had nowt to do with it so must have been just standing by and watching as we went down the pan.’

 

Can you point me to the ‘balance’ in your post as neither of the above are really options as both conveniently work to make him look bad? Woote was not the manager and any concerns or advice he had about systems or players roles could easily have been ignored or only partially endorsed. Maybe Jan listened and respected his views but ultimately disagreed – the reality is quite likely to be far more complicated than the simple ‘black and white’ options we dream up on this forum. But certainly once Jan left Woote would have had far more flexibility in expressing his ideas directly to the players. It’s quite possible Woote is better at man management so is better equipped to first hand deal with the players on a more personal basis than Jan could. Maybe he is better at developing structure in the team and defining the exact roles of each player. It’s clear the recent addition of Saejis and Saga have helped enormously but that is another issue altogether.

 

We can speculate all day long but Woote's role now is far more than just a name change so such musings are rather pointless. It’s what he is doing now that matters and both results and performances are speaking for themselves.

 

Long may it continue that way.

[Window Cleaner]

Did JFP actually ‘imply’ Woote had no input whatsoever in first team affairs? I don’t think he did.

 

You develop this fabrication further and ‘for balance’ suggest there could only be two possible options which basically give us the choice of between ‘it’s virtually all Woote’s fault anyway’ or ‘he had nowt to do with it so must have been just standing by and watching as we went down the pan.’

 

Can you point me to the ‘balance’ in your post as neither of the above are really options as both conveniently work to make him look bad? Woote was not the manager and any concerns or advice he had about systems or players roles could easily have been ignored or only partially endorsed. Maybe Jan listened and respected his views but ultimately disagreed – the reality is quite likely to be far more complicated than the simple ‘black and white’ options we dream up on this forum. But certainly once Jan left Woote would have had far more flexibility in expressing his ideas directly to the players. It’s quite possible Woote is better at man management so is better equipped to first hand deal with the players on a more personal basis than Jan could. Maybe he is better at developing structure in the team and defining the exact roles of each player. It’s clear the recent addition of Saejis and Saga have helped enormously but that is another issue altogether.

 

We can speculate all day long but Woote's role now is far more than just a name change so such musings are rather pointless. It’s what he is doing now that matters and both results and performances are speaking for themselves.

 

Long may it continue that way.

 

Isn't Jan supposed to have said to some dutch media outlet that he was fed up with Wotte? Perhaps Jan was doing it "his way" and Wotte kept telling him that he was barking up the wrong tree.

[JohnnyFartPants]

Isn't Jan supposed to have said to some dutch media outlet that he was fed up with Wotte? Perhaps Jan was doing it "his way" and Wotte kept telling him that he was barking up the wrong tree.

 

That was pretty much my take on things, especially given the changes he has made now in control. At the end of the day he could only suggest before. Now it seems he is proving things by example, but still we must have debate over him.

[Mole]

If he keeps us up he'll be a sucess, if we go down he'll be failure.

 

We've had 3 good results BUT the teams around us have all been winning too. I've no complaints from the last 3 games and hope the good form continues.

[JohnnyFartPants]

If he keeps us up he'll be a sucess, if we go down he'll be failure.

 

We've had 3 good results BUT the teams around us have all been winning too. I've no complaints from the last 3 games and hope the good form continues.

 

We had one team below us, we now have two. Blackpool are also dropping like a stone. Happy times ahead.

[Mole]

Did JFP actually ‘imply’ Woote had no input whatsoever in first team affairs? I don’t think he did.

 

You develop this fabrication further and ‘for balance’ suggest there could only be two possible options which basically give us the choice of between ‘it’s virtually all Woote’s fault anyway’ or ‘he had nowt to do with it so must have been just standing by and watching as we went down the pan.’

 

Can you point me to the ‘balance’ in your post as neither of the above are really options as both conveniently work to make him look bad? Woote was not the manager and any concerns or advice he had about systems or players roles could easily have been ignored or only partially endorsed. Maybe Jan listened and respected his views but ultimately disagreed – the reality is quite likely to be far more complicated than the simple ‘black and white’ options we dream up on this forum. But certainly once Jan left Woote would have had far more flexibility in expressing his ideas directly to the players. It’s quite possible Woote is better at man management so is better equipped to first hand deal with the players on a more personal basis than Jan could. Maybe he is better at developing structure in the team and defining the exact roles of each player. It’s clear the recent addition of Saejis and Saga have helped enormously but that is another issue altogether.

 

We can speculate all day long but Woote's role now is far more than just a name change so such musings are rather pointless. It’s what he is doing now that matters and both results and performances are speaking for themselves.

 

Long may it continue that way.

 

Is this what you've had written for your programme notes.

[SP Saint]

Is this what you've had written for your programme notes.

 

He doesn't seem to do COYR anymore.

[Mole]

He doesn't seem to do COYR anymore.

 

He's a closet wolves fan too.

 

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