krissyboy31 Posted 13 March, 2009 Share Posted 13 March, 2009 Would you keep Wotte as Manager (Head Coach)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St_Tel49 Posted 13 March, 2009 Share Posted 13 March, 2009 Would you keep Wotte as Manager (Head Coach)? You have to look at the alternatives and ask if any of them are likely to be better Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 13 March, 2009 Share Posted 13 March, 2009 I can't see it being the right thing, unless the run-in is a spectacular nobel failure, rather than just a typical failure - say we win five or six games and still go down, then maybe it would be worth keeping him. But relegation would kill the Dutch thing stone dead and a clean sweep (yes, again) would be in order. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted 13 March, 2009 Share Posted 13 March, 2009 Depends on how we go down IMO. If we continue to show the same fight and spirit that has been on display in recent weeks, then I'd consider keeping him. If we start playing poorly and go down without a fight then he's got to go. In all truth, I don't know if there are many alternatives out there that would be a) better than Wotte and b) willing to take the job under the current circumstances. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 13 March, 2009 Share Posted 13 March, 2009 as we saw last year unfortunately a lot always depends on the board room. If Lowe is still here then Wotte is likely to have boardroom support which goes in his favour. If Crouch was back in, and didn't like Wotte is would be unhealthy to keep him as manager without boardroom support. On performance.. I think he has shown enought to merit the job longer term. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krissyboy31 Posted 13 March, 2009 Author Share Posted 13 March, 2009 In all truth, I don't know if there are many alternatives out there that would be a) better than Wotte and b) willing to take the job under the current circumstances. This is a very good point. Anyone who takes over, has to be someone that has been out of a job for a while, hoping to rebuild his career or a young 'up and coming' manager, either from the lower leagues (Nigel Clough type) or just finished (or maybe coming to the end of their playing career), trying to build a name for himself in management. Whoever it is, it will be a gamble, if not as much of a gamble as the JP thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 13 March, 2009 Share Posted 13 March, 2009 managers son't ususally move around like players to clubs on a similar level (perhaps the top european clubs) so you are only ever going to get; out of work manager (nearly universally out of work due to failing and getting the sack) or manager unproven at your current level Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
austsaint Posted 13 March, 2009 Share Posted 13 March, 2009 as we saw last year unfortunately a lot always depends on the board room. If Lowe is still here then Wotte is likely to have boardroom support which goes in his favour. If Crouch was back in, and didn't like Wotte is would be unhealthy to keep him as manager without boardroom support. On performance.. I think he has shown enought to merit the job longer term. I agree with you on this one Nick. If Lowe stays, so in all probability will Wotte. And to be fair, thus far, he would deserve the chance. A significant change of boardroom would almost certainly mean a change of Manager. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 13 March, 2009 Share Posted 13 March, 2009 Thats a tough question, one i feel you will need to properly assess at the end of the season. I think he has made a good start and at this point we are a million times better then i would have thought we would have been at this current point in time. I am not sure we will get anyone better and honestly feel if we go down we will HAVE to rely on the younger players other than purely wanting to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corsacar saint Posted 13 March, 2009 Share Posted 13 March, 2009 If we go down everyone has to go.[Even if we stay up Lowe and his cronies have to go]. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 13 March, 2009 Share Posted 13 March, 2009 I can't see it being the right thing, unless the run-in is a spectacular nobel failure, rather than just a typical failure - say we win five or six games and still go down, then maybe it would be worth keeping him. But relegation would kill the Dutch thing stone dead and a clean sweep (yes, again) would be in order. So no Nobel prize for failure. But in essence I agree with your view. Just because Lowe was petty enough to dispense with Pearson purely on grounds that he was Crouch's appointment, doesn't mean that anybody else should dispense with Wotte purely on the grounds that Lowe appointed him. If we go down with all guns blazing, then by all means give him a chance of a month or two to see whether he can match Pearson in the third division. If he can't then get someone in who can. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 13 March, 2009 Share Posted 13 March, 2009 I would say get rid, would prefer a manager with experience of that league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Marco Posted 13 March, 2009 Share Posted 13 March, 2009 as we saw last year unfortunately a lot always depends on the board room. If Lowe is still here then Wotte is likely to have boardroom support which goes in his favour. If Crouch was back in, and didn't like Wotte is would be unhealthy to keep him as manager without boardroom support. On performance.. I think he has shown enought to merit the job longer term. I agree to an extent but i disagree about the performances. We had 3 good wins, lets not forget those. But we also had 6 pretty poor performences too. What matters is that we stay up, if we play poor but still get wins then i am more then happy for the guy to stay on as he will deserve it. But if we go down then he won't deserve it. His job is to keep us up. If he doesn't then he has failed. But as you say it depends on the board room situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheff Saint Posted 13 March, 2009 Share Posted 13 March, 2009 Umm. I'm not warming to Wotte especially. As i've said before if he keeps us up he's done a good job and should stay. But if we go down i think a clean broom throughout would be helpful. Fresh players, fresh board. The likes of Steve Cotteriall would be good for that division me thinks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintBobby Posted 13 March, 2009 Share Posted 13 March, 2009 I think we should judge Wotte on performances and results rather than on the final league table (I accept that the table will reflect performances/results to some extent, but only to some extent). On the nine games played so far, Wotte has been good enough to stay. If we maintain this level of (fluctuating) form in our remaining nine games, we should keep him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
West End Saint Posted 13 March, 2009 Share Posted 13 March, 2009 I think if we go down he has to go dont forget he has been here all season and for me the jury is still well and truly out if we survive he deserves another crack and I will put my personal feelings aside and get behind him if we go down in my book he has failed we would need a manager with a working knowledge of lower leagues that has contacts and knows which players can do a job at that level I hope it wont come to that and we stay up and I have to conceed he is a decent manager. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 13 March, 2009 Share Posted 13 March, 2009 Would you keep Wotte as Manager (Head Coach)? ...unless the alternative is Jose Mourinho or Sven-Göran Eriksson - YES ! Wotte about it Rupert ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
londonsaint1604 Posted 13 March, 2009 Share Posted 13 March, 2009 I reckon Poortvliet deserves a second chance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victor Posted 13 March, 2009 Share Posted 13 March, 2009 There is only one clear and obvious choice. This guy is not good enough for the Championship and with his current side going up into that league he will therefore be made available by his current employers. But he will by then have a proven record track record of getting teams out of Div.1 Step forward ........ Nigel Pearson!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted 13 March, 2009 Share Posted 13 March, 2009 Just seen an interview on SSN with Alan Pardew saying how he's wanting to get back into football management. Would people prefer Pardew to Wotte if we stay up? Although he had a bad spell at Charlton, he's done very well elsewhere at both Reading and West Ham. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy_Porter Posted 13 March, 2009 Share Posted 13 March, 2009 I'd probably keep him on, unless of course the last five games have been a fluke and we just revert to old ways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
um pahars Posted 13 March, 2009 Share Posted 13 March, 2009 If we get relegated, then personally I would have to say get rid, not least because of his involvement in the first 28 games where the damage was done. On the other side of the coin, if he keeps us up then I think he deserves another crack of the whip having redeemed himself. I'm sure there's some middle ground (i.e. what if we go down fighting, or, what if we stay up but play really badly), but going back to the OP I think I would get rid if we get relegated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 13 March, 2009 Share Posted 13 March, 2009 Would you keep Wotte as Manager (Head Coach)? No - not even if we stay up. Lowe's architect of disaster this season. Clear out the cloggies and lets have a real manager again please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole Posted 13 March, 2009 Share Posted 13 March, 2009 No, all traces of Lowe need removing including his slimy manager. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 13 March, 2009 Share Posted 13 March, 2009 No, all traces of Lowe need removing including his slimy manager. and every player, apprentice staff member recruited while he was here -get rid of them all they are all evil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole Posted 13 March, 2009 Share Posted 13 March, 2009 and every player, apprentice staff member recruited while he was here -get rid of them all they are all evil No just his cronies and Wotte is a Lowe stooge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 13 March, 2009 Share Posted 13 March, 2009 still petty to get rid of him if he is doing the job. Follow the team not the directors box! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole Posted 13 March, 2009 Share Posted 13 March, 2009 still petty to get rid of him if he is doing the job. Follow the team not the directors box! Lowe sacked Pearson and he was doing a good job, explain that then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 13 March, 2009 Share Posted 13 March, 2009 no, don't think he should have done, think it explains how you are judging your football eye for an eye? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole Posted 13 March, 2009 Share Posted 13 March, 2009 no, don't think he should have done, think it explains how you are judging your football eye for an eye? Partly yes, but mostly because we need a clean break from the Lowe era. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 13 March, 2009 Share Posted 13 March, 2009 is he going then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole Posted 13 March, 2009 Share Posted 13 March, 2009 is he going then? We can only hope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 13 March, 2009 Share Posted 13 March, 2009 but if he stays your argument for Wotte going surely goes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalek2003 Posted 14 March, 2009 Share Posted 14 March, 2009 Bringing back Glenn Hoddle wouild be a possible option. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole Posted 14 March, 2009 Share Posted 14 March, 2009 Bringing back Glenn Hoddle wouild be a possible option. Haven't you mentioned something like this before? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wildgoose Posted 14 March, 2009 Share Posted 14 March, 2009 At the moment yes I would......I didn't think he would make much difference but have to say he's done far better than I expected and I have more confidence we can stay up. By the way, IF we win today I think we can do it as our confidence and teamwork is improving but if we slip up it's going to be mighty tough and I won't be so confident that we really have what it takes...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wildgoose Posted 14 March, 2009 Share Posted 14 March, 2009 Haven't you mentioned something like this before? :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ottery st mary Posted 14 March, 2009 Share Posted 14 March, 2009 No..We will hopefully revert to being a sensible football club and run by sensible football people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 14 March, 2009 Share Posted 14 March, 2009 Partly yes, but mostly because we need a clean break from the Lowe era. Stanley may appear to border on hatred at times but this is exactly right. This Club is going no-where whilst it is associated with Lowe. Wotte is a Lowe-dite as now sadly is the under the thumb Wilde. The simple reality... and it is a reality... CONFIDENCE. There is no confidence, no optimism and no faith in Lowe - exposed as a liar, exposed as inept once more and likely to be preparing to consolidate his holding on the club rather than selling it. How much longer does the man have to be tolerated at this club? Let's get him out for good shall we?...so that we can have the optimism of being a Saints supporter back again as well as some of the missing fans. And he can take his stooge with him. Dutch Totally Crap Youth Football is dead. Time for a real manager and a real club again. There is not one business or sports club in the world that tolerates such a divisive and inept figure at its helm - why should we? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 14 March, 2009 Share Posted 14 March, 2009 Stanley may appear to border on hatred at times but this is exactly right. This Club is going no-where whilst it is associated with Lowe. Wotte is a Lowe-dite as now sadly is the under the thumb Wilde. The simple reality... and it is a reality... CONFIDENCE. There is no confidence, no optimism and no faith in Lowe - exposed as a liar, exposed as inept once more and likely to be preparing to consolidate his holding on the club rather than selling it. How much longer does the man have to be tolerated at this club? Let's get him out for good shall we?...so that we can have the optimism of being a Saints supporter back again as well as some of the missing fans. And he can take his stooge with him. Dutch Totally Crap Youth Football is dead. Time for a real manager and a real club again. There is not one business or sports club in the world that tolerates such a divisive and inept figure at its helm - why should we? but there is wanting a brighter future and petty spite. do you really think getting rid of a manager based on what happened to NP or the fact that Lowe appointed him is the best way forward. Said above that if Crouch came in and didn't want to work with Wotte then it would make his position untenable, probably the same as last year - but it would still not make it right. The optimism and fans will return with performances, if Wotte can deliver those then he should stay (the Lowe protest would also continue to dwindle). I am still not confidenent that Lowe can turn it around and do feel we need a fresh and united board. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ottery st mary Posted 14 March, 2009 Share Posted 14 March, 2009 but there is wanting a brighter future and petty spite. do you really think getting rid of a manager based on what happened to NP or the fact that Lowe appointed him is the best way forward. Said above that if Crouch came in and didn't want to work with Wotte then it would make his position untenable, probably the same as last year - but it would still not make it right. The optimism and fans will return with performances, if Wotte can deliver those then he should stay (the Lowe protest would also continue to dwindle). I am still not confidenent that Lowe can turn it around and do feel we need a fresh and united board. Petty spite is left to people like you as we are just Saints supporters who have had enough of this idiot and his backers.:smt049 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 14 March, 2009 Share Posted 14 March, 2009 who am I spiteful towards? I want the nest players, best manager and best board we can have - and my hopes for each aren't effected by sulking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ottery st mary Posted 14 March, 2009 Share Posted 14 March, 2009 who am I spiteful towards? I want the nest players, best manager and best board we can have - and my hopes for each aren't effected by sulking. I think it is just your poor choice of words to your fellow fans in support of your boss.:smt049 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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