fromthedell Posted 7 April, 2009 Share Posted 7 April, 2009 leon crouch cant beleive he was on pitch asking us fans to donate when is he gonna cough up the £2m he promised a while back am not a lowe luvvie but he was right when he said crouch wasted money when he was chairman . dont get me wrong lowe is to blame for a lot but so is crouch. also made me laugh mcmenemy begging on the pitch now here is a man that walked out TWICE ON SAINTS think he also made a fortune out of the reverse takeover in shares and they want fans like us to bail them out . we earn a pittance compared to these guys. i have supported this club for 40 years and will continue to do so with season tickets and merchandise and they want more Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 7 April, 2009 Share Posted 7 April, 2009 leon crouch cant beleive he was on pitch asking us fans to donate when is he gonna cough up the £2m he promised a while back am not a lowe luvvie but he was right when he said crouch wasted money when he was chairman . dont get me wrong lowe is to blame for a lot but so is crouch. also made me laugh mcmenemy begging on the pitch now here is a man that walked out TWICE ON SAINTS think he also made a fortune out of the reverse takeover in shares and they want fans like us to bail them out . we earn a pittance compared to these guys. i have supported this club for 40 years and will continue to do so with season tickets and merchandise and they want more Get your crash helmet ready I can hear incoming.You have posted against the 'in crowd' and will get a beating. Im with you to a degree, but LC is not all bad, he did what he did (not well IMO) nbut from a fans point not as a hard nosed businessman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fromthedell Posted 7 April, 2009 Author Share Posted 7 April, 2009 your right nick but he thinks he is still blameless and its all lowes fault been thinking about this post for ages wanting to get it off my chest dont really care what people say my opinon alone freedom of speech and all that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 7 April, 2009 Share Posted 7 April, 2009 your right nick but he thinks he is still blameless and its all lowes fault been thinking about this post for ages wanting to get it off my chest dont really care what people say my opinon alone freedom of speech and all thatNo problem, at least you know what to expect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gingeletiss Posted 7 April, 2009 Share Posted 7 April, 2009 Pathetic, both of you...nickh I can understand, as he posts sh*te on here for a living, but a fellow Tottonion.............Blahhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fromthedell Posted 7 April, 2009 Author Share Posted 7 April, 2009 Pathetic, both of you...nickh I can understand, as he posts sh*te on here for a living, but a fellow Tottonion.............Blahhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!! thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Billy Posted 7 April, 2009 Share Posted 7 April, 2009 your right nick but he thinks he is still blameless and its all lowes fault been thinking about this post for ages wanting to get it off my chest dont really care what people say my opinon alone freedom of speech and all that Not true!!! He has admitted he made mistakes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scudamore Posted 7 April, 2009 Share Posted 7 April, 2009 Was it just me or did Leon sound a bit ****ed when he was giving his speech on Saturday? Had a hint of the Delias about it if you ask me... Let's be 'aving you! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plumstead_Saint Posted 7 April, 2009 Share Posted 7 April, 2009 am not a lowe luvvie but he was right when he said crouch wasted money when he was chairman Got any facts or evidence to illustrate that? Or just talking rubbish and revealing your own gullibility? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 7 April, 2009 Share Posted 7 April, 2009 Not true!!! He has admitted he made mistakes. Yes it was a pretty big one bringing Wilde but lets try and forget about and get on with the future But that is not going to be easy. A win tonight is what we need but I feel unlikely. I have had a feeling since we missed those penalties against them in October that we were not destined for a good season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miserableoldgit Posted 7 April, 2009 Share Posted 7 April, 2009 leon crouch cant beleive he was on pitch asking us fans to donate when is he gonna cough up the £2m he promised a while back am not a lowe luvvie but he was right when he said crouch wasted money when he was chairman . dont get me wrong lowe is to blame for a lot but so is crouch. also made me laugh mcmenemy begging on the pitch now here is a man that walked out TWICE ON SAINTS think he also made a fortune out of the reverse takeover in shares and they want fans like us to bail them out . we earn a pittance compared to these guys. i have supported this club for 40 years and will continue to do so with season tickets and merchandise and they want more Oh, you mean the same man that took us to Wembley 3 times (including our only ever FA Cup win), that took us to runners-up position the the old First Division, that signed the then European Footballer of the Year (Kevin Keegan), that signed the likes of Peter Osgood, Peter Shilton, Dave Watson, Alan Ball, Charlie George etc. You don`t remember those things I suspect but you do remember somebody telling you that he "walked out TWICE ON SAINTS" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fromthedell Posted 7 April, 2009 Author Share Posted 7 April, 2009 the truth is out there and some people dont like it these are my opinions which dont mean to say i have to be abused Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miserableoldgit Posted 7 April, 2009 Share Posted 7 April, 2009 Got any facts or evidence to illustrate that? Or just talking rubbish and revealing your own gullibility? Of course he hasn`t. He just listens to those with with those who shout loudest on here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 7 April, 2009 Share Posted 7 April, 2009 Got any facts or evidence to illustrate that? Or just talking rubbish and revealing your own gullibility? There is plently of evidence that Lowe was not solely to blame but you appear not to understand that. Surely if Crouch was there and Lowe was not and money was spent unwisely he must share some of the blame it is just common sense You just appear a touch agressive and abusive if people do not agree with you But that is in the past as I just said lets go forward and hope we survive Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miserableoldgit Posted 7 April, 2009 Share Posted 7 April, 2009 the truth is out there and some people dont like it these are my opinions which dont mean to say i have to be abused If you are going to post something controversial, you need to back it up with some logical argument, not just say "these are my opinions." What reasons do you have for making these statements? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fromthedell Posted 7 April, 2009 Author Share Posted 7 April, 2009 There is plently of evidence that Lowe was not solely to blame but you appear not to understand that. Surely if Crouch was there and Lowe was not and money was spent unwisely he must share some of the blame it is just common sense You just appear a touch agressive and abusive if people do not agree with you But that is in the past as I just said lets go forward and hope we survive agree with that as i just want sfc to move forward and survive was not trying to upset any one was my opinion alone nothing to do with this board onwards and upwards coyr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BARCELONASAINT Posted 7 April, 2009 Share Posted 7 April, 2009 Oh, you mean the same man that took us to Wembley 3 times (including our only ever FA Cup win), that took us to runners-up position the the old First Division, that signed the then European Footballer of the Year (Kevin Keegan), that signed the likes of Peter Osgood, Peter Shilton, Dave Watson, Alan Ball, Charlie George etc. You don`t remember those things I suspect but you do remember somebody telling you that he "walked out TWICE ON SAINTS" At last someone that remembers all the good things as well and not conveniently just the bad! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 7 April, 2009 Share Posted 7 April, 2009 Crouch has admitted that he made mistakes, was on the radio last night asking people to look forwards not back and admitted that he gave 50k to help us out. Fair play to the bloke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miserableoldgit Posted 7 April, 2009 Share Posted 7 April, 2009 There is plently of evidence that Lowe was not solely to blame but you appear not to understand that. Surely if Crouch was there and Lowe was not and money was spent unwisely he must share some of the blame it is just common sense You just appear a touch agressive and abusive if people do not agree with you But that is in the past as I just said lets go forward and hope we survive Correct me if I am wrong, but I think that most of the money was spent when Wilde and his Merry Men (of which Crouch was one) were in control. The blame for our current plight should be spread over Lowe, Wilde AND Crouch. The proportions of this blame are a matter of opinion, but IMHO Crouch deserves less of it than the other two.The problem started after the 2003 Cup Final, NOT just during Crouch`s time in office. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 7 April, 2009 Share Posted 7 April, 2009 Pathetic, both of you...nickh I can understand, as he posts sh*te on here for a living, but a fellow Tottonion.............Blahhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!! Lol, Ginge that is the best advert i can get, as if my ideas are different to yours it reinforces my conviction Im right. ps i lived in Totton when I first got married and went to Houndsdown school. No doubt you were from the Testwood school of breeding Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lumpofshipperley Posted 7 April, 2009 Share Posted 7 April, 2009 Got any facts or evidence to illustrate that? Or just talking rubbish and revealing your own gullibility? Fact: we are in administration. Fact: the players wages were revealed and now it's been proved that they were unsustainable. LC did what we all wanted and gambled on us going up and he's probably the biggest loser of us all financially. It was brave but it didn't work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miserableoldgit Posted 7 April, 2009 Share Posted 7 April, 2009 Crouch has admitted that he made mistakes, was on the radio last night asking people to look forwards not back and admitted that he gave 50k to help us out. Fair play to the bloke. Rumour has it that he also paid "with one other" the transfer fee for Andrew Davies. That is how the club managed to sign him at the time. He, personally has probably done a lot more things for this club than we know and doesn`t, IMHO deserve much of the vitriol aimed at him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miserableoldgit Posted 7 April, 2009 Share Posted 7 April, 2009 Fact: we are in administration. Fact: the players wages were revealed and now it's been proved that they were unsustainable. LC did what we all wanted and gambled on us going up and he's probably the biggest loser of us all financially. It was brave but it didn't work. That is the best summing up of Crouch`s role I have seen recently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ottery st mary Posted 7 April, 2009 Share Posted 7 April, 2009 agree with that as i just want sfc to move forward and survive was not trying to upset any one was my opinion alone nothing to do with this board onwards and upwards coyr NOW that is the spirit as we all move forwards. Rupert is not to blame for everything and has so many chances to be part of one big happy family....Maybe he can still help the cause by carrying around the ground some of the collection buckets for Leon and Lawrie. Seriously he really could help the cause even whilsT in exile...Instead of going around all the radio, tv and newspapers on behalf of himself blaming others... Why not put his energy, knowledge and brilliant business acumen to the benefit of THE MIGHTY SAINTS.....He could gain some dosh and win fans like me..Just a thought....Cone on Rupert just for once...FOR THE SAINTS..GIVE SOMETHING BACK. All you friends of Rupert please have a word with the great man...Please let us unite as nick suggested and fight together for Saints and not these silly posts on behalf of Rupert....YOU ALL KNOW IT MAKES SENSE. Will you ask Rupert to come on board with the admin guy Mr FRY or will he go his own way sniping against the club his fellow Directors/colleagues/shareholders/fans.......Can he change....Come on Rupes..PLEASE.:smt049 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr X Posted 7 April, 2009 Share Posted 7 April, 2009 (edited) leon crouch cant beleive he was on pitch asking us fans to donate when is he gonna cough up the £2m he promised a while back am not a lowe luvvie but he was right when he said crouch wasted money when he was chairman . dont get me wrong lowe is to blame for a lot but so is crouch. also made me laugh mcmenemy begging on the pitch now here is a man that walked out TWICE ON SAINTS think he also made a fortune out of the reverse takeover in shares and they want fans like us to bail them out . we earn a pittance compared to these guys. i have supported this club for 40 years and will continue to do so with season tickets and merchandise and they want more You cant blame the man, If you've just lost 1.8 million pounds in shares then your hardly going to say well have another two million as well, he was willing to if the others were prepared to. When has Lowe ever been willing to put any of the money he has milked from us over the years back into the club? I know crouch has made mistakes dont get me wrong Edited 7 April, 2009 by Mr X Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miserableoldgit Posted 7 April, 2009 Share Posted 7 April, 2009 You cant blame the man, If you've just lost 1.8 million pounds in shares then your hardly going to say well have another two million as well, he was willing to if the others were prepared to. When has Lowe ever been willing to put any of the money he has milked from us over the years back into the club? And TBF, he has said that he is not worried about losing the money, all that he cares about is saving the Saints. He could have just walked away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sotonist Posted 7 April, 2009 Share Posted 7 April, 2009 Fact: we are in administration. Fact: the players wages were revealed and now it's been proved that they were unsustainable. LC did what we all wanted and gambled on us going up and he's probably the biggest loser of us all financially. It was brave but it didn't work. Fact: Jim Hone appears to have been written out of history and has his contribution allocated to leon Crouch. Lowe has been very careful to lay all the blame Crouch as the "Kingmaker" while making no reference at all to the King. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 7 April, 2009 Share Posted 7 April, 2009 leon crouch cant beleive he was on pitch asking us fans to donate when is he gonna cough up the £2m he promised a while back am not a lowe luvvie but he was right when he said crouch wasted money when he was chairman . dont get me wrong lowe is to blame for a lot but so is crouch. also made me laugh mcmenemy begging on the pitch now here is a man that walked out TWICE ON SAINTS think he also made a fortune out of the reverse takeover in shares and they want fans like us to bail them out . we earn a pittance compared to these guys. i have supported this club for 40 years and will continue to do so with season tickets and merchandise and they want more agree with that as i just want sfc to move forward and survive was not trying to upset any one was my opinion alone nothing to do with this board onwards and upwards coyr Entitled to your own opinion, of course. Leon offered the £2 million provided that Lowe and the Quisling matched it. He has already put his hand in his pocket as far as I'm aware since we went into administration. Have Lowe and Wilde? The two of them have little to gain personally from the current situation unless they are to be part of one or the other consortia having a look at taking over. Crouch in particular is already heavily down on his investment in the club. If anybody does not feel inclined to contribute to the club's coffers for whatever reason, that is their prerogative. On the other hand, many might feel that the appeal made by the two of them was valid and beneficial. Any money raised as a result of this and other initiatives is to be welcomed. Putting aside the personalities, wouldn't you agree in essence that we are desperate for money and that whatever we raise, by whatever means, is welcome? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lumpofshipperley Posted 7 April, 2009 Share Posted 7 April, 2009 That is the best summing up of Crouch`s role I have seen recently. In the end he takes his share of the blame like the rest of us. Too many of us ask for money to be spent without thinking how that actually affects things long term. We know now!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spain saint Posted 7 April, 2009 Share Posted 7 April, 2009 Lol, Ginge that is the best advert i can get, as if my ideas are different to yours it reinforces my conviction Im right. ps i lived in Totton when I first got married and went to Houndsdown school. No doubt you were from the Testwood school of breeding Hey Nick nothing wrong with Testwood!! I went there as a nipper and lived in Totton as well!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
INFLUENCED.COM Posted 7 April, 2009 Share Posted 7 April, 2009 Was it just me or did Leon sound a bit ****ed when he was giving his speech on Saturday? Had a hint of the Delias about it if you ask me... I would have been steaming if I had just lost 1.8mil, LC seems suprisingly calm, valium perhaps or maybe he has seen a way for him to recover some of his losses ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 7 April, 2009 Share Posted 7 April, 2009 Hey Nick nothing wrong with Testwood!! I went there as a nipper and lived in Totton as well!! Nothing wrong with Testwood I have some saints supporting mates who went there in the 70's + 80's. All as mad as a bag of frogs though. Great days and memories going to Dell and away matches with them though and playing the game with them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chuz Posted 7 April, 2009 Share Posted 7 April, 2009 also made me laugh mcmenemy begging on the pitch now here is a man that walked out TWICE ON SAINTS Lawrie McMenemy joined us in 1973 and left in 1985. Having been privileged to see some of the football played in that era, I think it is fair to say that without a doubt Lawrie McMenemy put us on the footballing map. He had plenty of opportunities to leave us during his tenure as manager, but did not. Read his Diary of a Season book if you want to know more. Even in the 70s and 80s, 12 years at a club was exceptional. If Gordon Strachan is treated like a hero for what he did for Saints, Lawrie should probably be sainted. Yes he did leave but only after a long and successful tenure: making us one of the most attractive and well respected clubs in the country. He returned to become Director of Football under Alan Ball, Dave Merrington and Graham Souness. He resigned when Souness resigned. Whatever his reasons (at the time it was stated as "differences with the new board", led by Rupert Lowe) clearly he decided to act as he did, resigning from a paid position on a matter of principle - right or wrong. I would also point out that the sums that he is alleged to have earned as an ambassador to the club during the Wilde/Execs/Crouch era have not to my knowledge ever been in the public arena. I do know that when Mike Richards intimated that he had been earning £60,000 at the AGM in 2007, David Jones categorically denied that it was anything like that figure. Comments get bandied about on this site, either out of mischief making or ignorance, but I find the character assassinations of McMenemy particularly galling, since it is obvious he cares a great deal for the club and does not like to see it in its current state. Regardless of the politics and mud slinging I will always be grateful to Lawrie for the part he played in making the club what it was at its peak. He may not be to everyone's tastes but his positive place in Saints' history is assured Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Richard of Woolston Posted 7 April, 2009 Share Posted 7 April, 2009 The simple fact is, and it is one that some of you prefer to ignore, that we can never move forward together until ALL of the recent protagonists have moved on. And that includes Crouch & McMoneyme. Both have had their chance and no wneed to move to the pages of Duncan Holley's books once and for all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miserableoldgit Posted 7 April, 2009 Share Posted 7 April, 2009 Lawrie McMenemy joined us in 1973 and left in 1985. Having been privileged to see some of the football played in that era, I think it is fair to say that without a doubt Lawrie McMenemy put us on the footballing map. He had plenty of opportunities to leave us during his tenure as manager, but did not. Read his Diary of a Season book if you want to know more. Even in the 70s and 80s, 12 years at a club was exceptional. If Gordon Strachan is treated like a hero for what he did for Saints, Lawrie should probably be sainted. Yes he did leave but only after a long and successful tenure: making us one of the most attractive and well respected clubs in the country. He returned to become Director of Football under Alan Ball, Dave Merrington and Graham Souness. He resigned when Souness resigned. Whatever his reasons (at the time it was stated as "differences with the new board", led by Rupert Lowe) clearly he decided to act as he did, resigning from a paid position on a matter of principle - right or wrong. I would also point out that the sums that he is alleged to have earned as an ambassador to the club during the Wilde/Execs/Crouch era have not to my knowledge ever been in the public arena. I do know that when Mike Richards intimated that he had been earning £60,000 at the AGM in 2007, David Jones categorically denied that it was anything like that figure. Comments get bandied about on this site, either out of mischief making or ignorance, but I find the character assassinations of McMenemy particularly galling, since it is obvious he cares a great deal for the club and does not like to see it in its current state. Regardless of the politics and mud slinging I will always be grateful to Lawrie for the part he played in making the club what it was at its peak. He may not be to everyone's tastes but his positive place in Saints' history is assured Absolute top post!!=D> Never let the facts get in the way of a good character assassination! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken Tone Posted 7 April, 2009 Share Posted 7 April, 2009 Lawrie McMenemy joined us in 1973 and left in 1985. Having been privileged to see some of the football played in that era, I think it is fair to say that without a doubt Lawrie McMenemy put us on the footballing map. He had plenty of opportunities to leave us during his tenure as manager, but did not. Read his Diary of a Season book if you want to know more. Even in the 70s and 80s, 12 years at a club was exceptional. If Gordon Strachan is treated like a hero for what he did for Saints, Lawrie should probably be sainted. Yes he did leave but only after a long and successful tenure: making us one of the most attractive and well respected clubs in the country. He returned to become Director of Football under Alan Ball, Dave Merrington and Graham Souness. He resigned when Souness resigned. Whatever his reasons (at the time it was stated as "differences with the new board", led by Rupert Lowe) clearly he decided to act as he did, resigning from a paid position on a matter of principle - right or wrong. I would also point out that the sums that he is alleged to have earned as an ambassador to the club during the Wilde/Execs/Crouch era have not to my knowledge ever been in the public arena. I do know that when Mike Richards intimated that he had been earning £60,000 at the AGM in 2007, David Jones categorically denied that it was anything like that figure. Comments get bandied about on this site, either out of mischief making or ignorance, but I find the character assassinations of McMenemy particularly galling, since it is obvious he cares a great deal for the club and does not like to see it in its current state. Regardless of the politics and mud slinging I will always be grateful to Lawrie for the part he played in making the club what it was at its peak. He may not be to everyone's tastes but his positive place in Saints' history is assured Thanks for the clarification. I had been under the impression that McMeney was earning £100k a year when Wilde brought him back into the club, for not doing very much at all. All this is why I hope Le Tiss never comes back to the club as anything other than a figurehead. I'd hate to see him become manager for example. Even in the unlikely event that he is successful at first, it would all go wrong in the end as it does for all managers sooner or later, and then he'd be a figure of fun, or even hate. We need some heroes to stay untarnished ! K. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ottery st mary Posted 7 April, 2009 Share Posted 7 April, 2009 Thanks for the clarification. I had been under the impression that McMeney was earning £100k a year when Wilde brought him back into the club, for not doing very much at all. All this is why I hope Le Tiss never comes back to the club as anything other than a figurehead. I'd hate to see him become manager for example. Even in the unlikely event that he is successful at first, it would all go wrong in the end as it does for all managers sooner or later, and then he'd be a figure of fun, or even hate. We need some heroes to stay untarnished ! K. Funnily enough I was told it was only about £20,000....I suppose it depends on your informant and what their or your own agenda is.....Funny old game:smt017 Maybe the true fans will look forward together and put all this sniping behind us soon.:smt049 old game:smt017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clapham Saint Posted 7 April, 2009 Share Posted 7 April, 2009 Correct me if I am wrong, but I think that most of the money was spent when Wilde and his Merry Men (of which Crouch was one) were in control. The blame for our current plight should be spread over Lowe, Wilde AND Crouch. The proportions of this blame are a matter of opinion, but IMHO Crouch deserves less of it than the other two.The problem started after the 2003 Cup Final, NOT just during Crouch`s time in office. +1 People rabidly trying to lay all the blame on one hate figure's shoulders is misguided IMO. All have a share of the blame. Others will differ but for me Crouch hasn't been as bad as Lowe or Wilde. Which of Lowe or Wilde I dispise more fluctuates from week to week. Currently Wilde. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daren W Posted 7 April, 2009 Share Posted 7 April, 2009 There is plently of evidence that Lowe was not solely to blame but you appear not to understand that. Surely if Crouch was there and Lowe was not and money was spent unwisely he must share some of the blame it is just common sense You just appear a touch agressive and abusive if people do not agree with you But that is in the past as I just said lets go forward and hope we survive The point is that Crouch has admitted mistakes were made, Lowe hasn't. Quote from the BBC website: "Crouch told BBC South: "I backed Michael Wilde when he came to the club. He gave us promises of new investment and getting rid of Rupert Lowe, but it didn't happen, and I have to take some blame because of that." Lowe claims he left a club in credit, conveniently forgetting that under his stewardship we got relegated and effectively lost what, £20million a year? Does that loss of £20 million a year not count once he's out the back door? At what stage will Lowe ever admit his failings and apologise? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gingeletiss Posted 7 April, 2009 Share Posted 7 April, 2009 Lol, Ginge that is the best advert i can get, as if my ideas are different to yours it reinforces my conviction Im right. ps i lived in Totton when I first got married and went to Houndsdown school. No doubt you were from the Testwood school of breeding[/quo Never said I was from Totton, only that I live there......as for your Ideas being right, all the evidence posted on this forum, suggests otherwise...IMO of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 7 April, 2009 Share Posted 7 April, 2009 The point is that Crouch has admitted mistakes were made, Lowe hasn't. Quote from the BBC website: "Crouch told BBC South: "I backed Michael Wilde when he came to the club. He gave us promises of new investment and getting rid of Rupert Lowe, but it didn't happen, and I have to take some blame because of that." Lowe claims he left a club in credit, conveniently forgetting that under his stewardship we got relegated and effectively lost what, £20million a year? Does that loss of £20 million a year not count once he's out the back door? At what stage will Lowe ever admit his failings and apologise?Daren i think if he did peraps that would help us all. From his standpoint he no doubt is hurting and still very much trying to defend himself and has little time to apologise.Im sure he feels he doesnt need to as he believes that he did no wrong but has been let down.I myself believe its a bit of both, he made some terrible errors but was not the only one responsible for our relegation(lets not go through the whys and why nots again) Ump is correct when he says that relegation is the reason for our position now, but there were many mistakes by all involved from then until now, and every person who followed should have reacted to the situation they faced at the time.Patently the clubs finances got worse under the Wilde bunch and LC as the right measures were not taken to stop all the excesses immediately. It is history and the sooner we get on again the better. I will be a saints fan to the monet they push me into the incinerator, whatever league we are in. Sorry but you are stuck with me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 7 April, 2009 Share Posted 7 April, 2009 Lol, Ginge that is the best advert i can get, as if my ideas are different to yours it reinforces my conviction Im right. ps i lived in Totton when I first got married and went to Houndsdown school. No doubt you were from the Testwood school of breeding[/quo Never said I was from Totton, only that I live there......as for your Ideas being right, all the evidence posted on this forum, suggests otherwise...IMO of course. IYO. You add to my enjoyment of the site as i know you have a sense of humour hidden there somewhere and its eager to come out one day. I know you are wrong but its all a game and we all want the same thing, but my way is better Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Give it to Ron Posted 7 April, 2009 Share Posted 7 April, 2009 IYO. I know you are wrong but its all a game and we all want the same thing, but my way is better There is that Rupert trait you share ....you have been a luvvie too long Nick you are sounding like him now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gingeletiss Posted 7 April, 2009 Share Posted 7 April, 2009 IYO. You add to my enjoyment of the site as i know you have a sense of humour hidden there somewhere and its eager to come out one day. I know you are wrong but its all a game and we all want the same thing, but my way is better Better...........or Bitter:rolleyes: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 7 April, 2009 Share Posted 7 April, 2009 leon crouch cant beleive he was on pitch asking us fans to donate when is he gonna cough up the £2m he promised a while back am not a lowe luvvie but he was right when he said crouch wasted money when he was chairman . dont get me wrong lowe is to blame for a lot but so is crouch. also made me laugh mcmenemy begging on the pitch now here is a man that walked out TWICE ON SAINTS think he also made a fortune out of the reverse takeover in shares and they want fans like us to bail them out . we earn a pittance compared to these guys. i have supported this club for 40 years and will continue to do so with season tickets and merchandise and they want more Total garbage. Crouch and Lawrie are not asking anyone to bail them out, they are urging everyone to bail the Club out, and good on them for doing so. Now we are rid of the 2 cancers maybe we can get this club back on its feet (and maybe we will be extinct). How do you think they were asking for us to bail them out? I think Crouch has pumped a good deal of money into the Club (sponsorship even when Lowe was in charge, and the statue of course, and has also lost a small fortune with the loss of over a million shares, but he doesn't seem to bleat about it. And as far as I am concerned and mnay many others, Lawrie really can do no wrong, he engineered the greatest days of this Club. You need to understand the difference between leeches like Lowe and Wilde, and genuine people like Crouch (who I admit I don't really like personally) and Lawrie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 7 April, 2009 Share Posted 7 April, 2009 There is that Rupert trait you share ....you have been a luvvie too long Nick you are sounding like him now. Oh my god you're right. I might start calling you acustomer soon not a fan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 7 April, 2009 Share Posted 7 April, 2009 Better...........or Bitter:rolleyes:still hiding that sense of humour Ginge i know its there somewhere deep down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Smith Posted 7 April, 2009 Share Posted 7 April, 2009 And when there's no money to be made, where is Lowe? When people are 'donating', where is Lowe? When this clubs supporters need to unite and turn up, where is Lowe? He called himself a 'supporter', where is he now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 7 April, 2009 Share Posted 7 April, 2009 And when there's no money to be made, where is Lowe? When people are 'donating', where is Lowe? When this clubs supporters need to unite and turn up, where is Lowe? He called himself a 'supporter', where is he now?If he called for fans to unite what would the responce to that be? 'He must be only after something in it for him' Best he does not at it will only help the divisions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Give it to Ron Posted 7 April, 2009 Share Posted 7 April, 2009 Oh my god you're right. I might start calling you acustomer soon not a fan Well up to last week I was a shareholder as well so I had many hats under loveable old rosey cheeks... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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