Bailey Posted 29 April, 2009 Share Posted 29 April, 2009 . . . can't the 'fans consortium' being arranged by derry et al kick into action instead? Don't think I could bare the thought of Rupert returning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 29 April, 2009 Share Posted 29 April, 2009 Haha. Look, Lowe is a useless *** and I would seriously question whether I could be arsed to continue supporting Saints whilst he was involved but there is not a hope in hell of a merry brigade of fans being preferred to Lowe and chums (by the people who matter) if they have a few quid with them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
docker-p Posted 29 April, 2009 Share Posted 29 April, 2009 Haha. Look, Lowe is a useless *** and I would seriously question whether I could be arsed to continue supporting Saints whilst he was involved but there is not a hope in hell of a merry brigade of fans being preferred to Lowe and chums (by the people who matter) if they have a few quid with them. Maybe the people who matter need to understand that a club with Lowe involved is not a going concern. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 29 April, 2009 Share Posted 29 April, 2009 Maybe the people who matter need to understand that a club with Lowe involved is not a going concern. Yeah, so they'll cut their losses if they think that (they might actually think that Lowe's return will not be such a big deal). They won't support an amateur team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gonzo Posted 29 April, 2009 Share Posted 29 April, 2009 Could a supporter's consortium finance the club on an ongoing basis? I suspect not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rattlehead Posted 29 April, 2009 Share Posted 29 April, 2009 What would Lowe offer that he didn't before? Take your time but we all know the answer is 'f*ck all', ergo it won't happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Posted 30 April, 2009 Share Posted 30 April, 2009 I think people need to get a reality check here! I am dead against Lowe returning (and actually have a reply from him when Souness left and I sent him an email to complain), but the truely absurd notion that we would (as if we have a say in these matters anyway) rather the club fold than have Ruppey save us is truely laughable. Get a perspective people - Saints survial is paramount, anything else is secondary. A famous general once said, run away and you live to fight another day - i.e. if Lowe is the only way to save the club so be it. Save it now and then topple him later, but not by Wilde/Crouch/etc. I honestly don't think people realise the true magnitude of the issue here - we are broke and going out of business - end of !! May be, just may be we will get a bid - wouldn't bet my bottom dollar on it at the moment. So go ahead and be picky, coz we have so many options after all !!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ponty Posted 30 April, 2009 Share Posted 30 April, 2009 I think people need to get a reality check here! I am dead against Lowe returning (and actually have a reply from him when Souness left and I sent him an email to complain), but the truely absurd notion that we would (as if we have a say in these matters anyway) rather the club fold than have Ruppey save us is truely laughable. Get a perspective people - Saints survial is paramount, anything else is secondary. A famous general once said, run away and you live to fight another day - i.e. if Lowe is the only way to save the club so be it. Save it now and then topple him later, but not by Wilde/Crouch/etc. I honestly don't think people realise the true magnitude of the issue here - we are broke and going out of business - end of !! May be, just may be we will get a bid - wouldn't bet my bottom dollar on it at the moment. So go ahead and be picky, coz we have so many options after all !!!! Fair post but I don't think the people who you are speaking to have lost their perspective. There seems to be a frightening number who would rather no SFC than Lowe's SFC. I'm with you, if he gets in (by being the best or only bidder) then he gets in and we should just be thankful that there's a club still - even if we have to wait for his death of old age to be truly happy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 30 April, 2009 Share Posted 30 April, 2009 Fair post but I don't think the people who you are speaking to have lost their perspective. There seems to be a frightening number who would rather no SFC than Lowe's SFC. I'm with you, if he gets in (by being the best or only bidder) then he gets in and we should just be thankful that there's a club still - even if we have to wait for his death of old age to be truly happy. I agree with your sentiments but I cannot see Lowe coming back where is he going to get the money from? PS Lowe is at least 10 younger than me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 30 April, 2009 Share Posted 30 April, 2009 Well, if he returns, I'm not returning again until he's gone. There are a number of local away matches I might attend, but if there are sufficient numbers of fans who think along similar lines to me, then if the club is unsustainable because of lack of support and goes under again, then so be it. As I am perfectly happy to renew STs without him, but not if he stays, then it is clear who would be to blame for whatever transpires if he returns. Him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 30 April, 2009 Share Posted 30 April, 2009 Well, if he returns, I'm not returning again until he's gone. There are a number of local away matches I might attend, but if there are sufficient numbers of fans who think along similar lines to me, then if the club is unsustainable because of lack of support and goes under again, then so be it. As I am perfectly happy to renew STs without him, but not if he stays, then it is clear who would be to blame for whatever transpires if he returns. Him. Yes it is clear it will be the fans to blame I would have thought not Lowe if he wants to keep the club going in the last resort. Though I cannot see it happening because of your stance . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Tango Man Posted 30 April, 2009 Share Posted 30 April, 2009 What would Lowe offer that he didn't before? Take your time but we all know the answer is 'f*ck all', ergo it won't happen. He has the experience of wrecking a once great little club, making the wrong decisions due to his lack of footie knowledge, failing to invest correctly , his man manaagement skills are second to none and his record of manangers confirms that. He also increased our mortgage and debts, while at the same time time looking after his chums and lining his pockets.. It is a truly wonderfull CV Rupert.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
diggers Posted 30 April, 2009 Share Posted 30 April, 2009 I agree that any Saints is better than no Saints but for me, my decision would be to give up going to watch Saints (something I've done religiously for 35 years) if Lucifer ever wields power in any way at the SFC again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LostBoys Posted 30 April, 2009 Share Posted 30 April, 2009 If the bunch of cretins led by Lowe Askham and Richards return I will not be renewing my season tickets. I do not believe they will return as they would need to put their own money in - something they have never done! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 30 April, 2009 Share Posted 30 April, 2009 Yes it is clear it will be the fans to blame I would have thought not Lowe if he wants to keep the club going in the last resort. Though I cannot see it happening because of your stance . What do you reckon will happen? Cowen will come in too, eh, and tell us that ticket prices will remain the same and that they have kindly ignored any inflation increase and we will be getting to watch three cup campaigns instead of the two we had before? And if Lowe's return does happen and fails yet again, then presumably you will still be saying that he ought to have yet another attempt. I have a practical suggestion to make. If Lowe and his cronies have an insatiable desire to meddle in the affairs of a football club, why don't they take over a local Tyro league club, or better still, one in the Gloucester area and practice running a club at that level first? As it is, if they continue messing about as incompetantly with us as before, we will soon be reduced to Tyro league level ourselves anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
notnowcato Posted 30 April, 2009 Share Posted 30 April, 2009 If you can persuade me that the deferred entry in administration was not a deliberate act to enable a cheaper return to the club, then I might consider putting my hard earned cash into the club I support. My feelings are that the late entry into administration was just far too stupid to be credible as an honest act. If Lowe returns then my support goes on hold. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 30 April, 2009 Share Posted 30 April, 2009 If you can persuade me that the deferred entry in administration was not a deliberate act to enable a cheaper return to the club, then I might consider putting my hard earned cash into the club I support. My feelings are that the late entry into administration was just far too stupid to be credible as an honest act. If Lowe returns then my support goes on hold. Going one step further into the logic of it all, then one might also conclude the possibility that Lowe even delayed the announcement of the administration of the PLC beyond the deadline for taking the points deduction this seaseon, knowing that the club would be even cheaper to buy as a third division club starting on -10 points. But then, those wouldn't be the actions of somebody who professed to love the club, would they? However, they might indeed be the actions of a megalomaniac egotist who thought that he was the only one capable of running the club effectively and was prepared to take any measure to make it possible, whilst nullifying the shareholdings of Wilde and Crouch at the same time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lets B Avenue Posted 30 April, 2009 Share Posted 30 April, 2009 What do you reckon will happen? Cowen will come in too, eh, and tell us that ticket prices will remain the same and that they have kindly ignored any inflation increase and we will be getting to watch three cup campaigns instead of the two we had before? But still make you pay seperately for any home tie?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 30 April, 2009 Share Posted 30 April, 2009 (edited) Going one step further into the logic of it all, then one might also conclude the possibility that Lowe even delayed the announcement of the administration of the PLC beyond the deadline for taking the points deduction this seaseon, knowing that the club would be even cheaper to buy as a third division club starting on -10 points. But then, those wouldn't be the actions of somebody who professed to love the club, would they? However, they might indeed be the actions of a megalomaniac egotist who thought that he was the only one capable of running the club effectively and was prepared to take any measure to make it possible, whilst nullifying the shareholdings of Wilde and Crouch at the same time. I dont think you are right as Wilde and Lowe thought 10 points would not be deducted and there was a chance that we would not be relegated http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/s/southampton/8016748.stm By the way a lot of what you say appears pure fiction to me - it is very difficult I would have thought to accurately forecast how other people think and react with out knowing them really well Edited 30 April, 2009 by John B Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 30 April, 2009 Share Posted 30 April, 2009 I dont think you are right as Wilde and Lowe thought 10 points would not be deducted http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/s/southampton/8016748.stm Being the devious but astute hard-headed businessman that he likes to portray, he naturally would have considered all of the scenarios that might occur. If he intended to return as part of a takeover bid, do you not believe that he wouldn't have factored in the very scenario that has come to pass? The timing of the administration and the deadline that has been imposed even allows for somebody to buy us out at a cheaper price because of the points deduction and then to appeal the decision and possibly have the points returned to us, doesn't it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRichmond Posted 30 April, 2009 Share Posted 30 April, 2009 . . . can't the 'fans consortium' being arranged by derry et al kick into action instead? Don't think I could bare the thought of Rupert returning. If Lowe were to be the only option, ( which, as he's Fry's man is fairly obvious )... then IMHO, it will herald the Final Demise of SAINTS FOOTBALL It will just be a continuation of Lowe's TWELVE YEARS of MISRULE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 30 April, 2009 Share Posted 30 April, 2009 If Lowe were to be the only option, ( which, as he's Fry's man is fairly obvious )... then IMHO, it will herald the Final Demise of SAINTS FOOTBALL It will just be a continuation of Lowe's TWELVE YEARS of MISRULE Not sure about the "Fry's man" comment, but agree with the rest. What is going to be different this time around ??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wopper Posted 30 April, 2009 Share Posted 30 April, 2009 Leon Crouch will make it difficult for Lowe to return. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
batterseasaint Posted 30 April, 2009 Share Posted 30 April, 2009 Undoubtedly a Lowe return would be better than the club's demise. However it won't mean much to me, because I will neither support nor follow the club from a distance. But there may come a time in the future when Lowe is no longer involved, in which case I will try to re-kindle my love for the club. If Lowe does come back, at least with him around, it means there will be the opportunity for me to come back to the club in the future. Without him, there would not*. *Please don't brand me as a Lowe-luvvie because of this :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRichmond Posted 30 April, 2009 Share Posted 30 April, 2009 I think people need to get a reality check here! I am dead against Lowe returning (and actually have a reply from him when Souness left and I sent him an email to complain), but the truely absurd notion that we would (as if we have a say in these matters anyway) rather the club fold than have Ruppey save us is truely laughable. Get a perspective people - Saints survial is paramount, anything else is secondary. A famous general once said, run away and you live to fight another day - i.e. if Lowe is the only way to save the club so be it. Save it now and then topple him later, but not by Wilde/Crouch/etc. I honestly don't think people realise the true magnitude of the issue here - we are broke and going out of business - end of !! May be, just may be we will get a bid - wouldn't bet my bottom dollar on it at the moment. So go ahead and be picky, coz we have so many options after all !!!! " Saints survival is paramount " ...... at ANY cost ???? " we are broke and going out of business " ....... but we would NOT be broke if :- We had KEPT Pearson We had KEPT our Goalscores We had NOT gone with Youth We had KEPT our Attendances circa 23k at St Mary's The REASON why we achieved NONE of the above was down to the EGO of ONE man .... Rupert Lowe Lowe coming back will change nothing, only ensure the continuing decline of a Second Rate Div 1 side ..... which, whether you believe it or not, is all we are now If Lowe DOES come back ...... it will be a Stich Up job with Fry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 30 April, 2009 Share Posted 30 April, 2009 I think people need to get a reality check here! I am dead against Lowe returning (and actually have a reply from him when Souness left and I sent him an email to complain), but the truely absurd notion that we would (as if we have a say in these matters anyway) rather the club fold than have Ruppey save us is truely laughable. Get a perspective people - Saints survial is paramount, anything else is secondary. A famous general once said, run away and you live to fight another day - i.e. if Lowe is the only way to save the club so be it. Save it now and then topple him later, but not by Wilde/Crouch/etc. I honestly don't think people realise the true magnitude of the issue here - we are broke and going out of business - end of !! May be, just may be we will get a bid - wouldn't bet my bottom dollar on it at the moment. So go ahead and be picky, coz we have so many options after all !!!! With all due respect, it is you who is missing the point. If Lowe comes back, this club is dead. It might not be now, but somewhen. For just one of many reasons, read down here - a significant percentage of posters will be done with actively supporting the club. The financial implications if this site even roughly reflects the general fan base will be catastrophic. Any one else takes over, we have a fighting chance, on the issue of historical baggage alone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole Posted 30 April, 2009 Share Posted 30 April, 2009 If Lowe DOES come back ...... it will be a Stich Up job with Fry And Alpine will be cursing the day he started the "I Love Mark Fry" fred. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
londonsaint1604 Posted 30 April, 2009 Share Posted 30 April, 2009 With all due respect, it is you who is missing the point. If Lowe comes back, this club is dead. It might not be now, but somewhen. For just one of many reasons, read down here - a significant percentage of posters will be done with actively supporting the club. The financial implications if this site even roughly reflects the general fan base will be catastrophic. Any one else takes over, we have a fighting chance, on the issue of historical baggage alone. That's not certain. So IF the choice is between the end of Southampton FC or Lowe comes back and we continue to exist as a club but with the possibility that he will kill the club eventually, which is it to be? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 30 April, 2009 Share Posted 30 April, 2009 That's not certain. So IF the choice is between the end of Southampton FC or Lowe comes back and we continue to exist as a club but with the possibility that he will kill the club eventually, which is it to be? I'd rather take the bullet to the head than suffer a slow lingering death under Lowe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 30 April, 2009 Share Posted 30 April, 2009 With all due respect, it is you who is missing the point. If Lowe comes back, this club is dead. It might not be now, but somewhen. For just one of many reasons, read down here - a significant percentage of posters will be done with actively supporting the club. The financial implications if this site even roughly reflects the general fan base will be catastrophic. Any one else takes over, we have a fighting chance, on the issue of historical baggage alone. Agreed. Its all to do with customer... sorry we're 'fans' again now I forgot ... confidence and optimism. With Lowe associated IN ANY CAPACITY confidence would be near zero amongst the fans and I predict poor gates and the creation of a League 1/2 side within 18 months struggling to promote... I've been right so far in my predictions on Lowe issues so feel pretty confident I can read the signs on this one again. But, Lowe isnt going to return. He's finished. Stop worrying everyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 30 April, 2009 Share Posted 30 April, 2009 And Alpine will be cursing the day he started the "I Love Mark Fry" fred. I would like to know where this Fry-Lowe collusion/stitch-up gossip is coming from. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint1977 Posted 30 April, 2009 Share Posted 30 April, 2009 That's not certain. So IF the choice is between the end of Southampton FC or Lowe comes back and we continue to exist as a club but with the possibility that he will kill the club eventually, which is it to be? Both options = death. The only way Lowe could return is on Tom Scott's coat-tails and even then, the money would soon run out. Don't worry though people, Fry has already said that many of the groups have been ruled out because significant funds are needed to run the infrastructure and overheads Rupert built up. That's before a player is bought or put on the pitch. Rupert couldn't even afford to sponsor the academy now, let alone actually actually run it or the whole club! I don't think we'll see Lowe, Askham, Richards (as bad as Askham) or Crouch in any of these consortiums. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cabrone Posted 30 April, 2009 Share Posted 30 April, 2009 . . . can't the 'fans consortium' being arranged by derry et al kick into action instead? Don't think I could bare the thought of Rupert returning. Please, I was having a good day until you mentioned the dreaded word L**e. It's history now, the bogeyman isn't coming back. I'm hopeful the club will be bought then stabilise under the guidance of a decent british manager before trying to get back to where it was. I don't mind if the new owner is not a gazillionaire - just as long as he\she cares about the club and the fans. No-one is dumb enough to invite L**e back to this club, it would be the end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 30 April, 2009 Share Posted 30 April, 2009 Please, I was having a good day until you mentioned the dreaded word L**e. It's history now, the bogeyman isn't coming back. I'm hopeful the club will be bought then stabilise under the guidance of a decent british manager before trying to get back to where it was. I don't mind if the new owner is not a gazillionaire - just as long as he\she cares about the club and the fans. No-one is dumb enough to invite L**e back to this club, it would be the end. Agreed. No one would be that stupid. Well said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 30 April, 2009 Share Posted 30 April, 2009 Whoever buys the club has to put up shedloads of money, probably borrowed, to allow Lowe back, could see Saints gates in the low thousands. That would ensure a massive loss immediately, you can't run a football club without fans. Rupert might think it the perfect new experiment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRichmond Posted 30 April, 2009 Share Posted 30 April, 2009 Please, I was having a good day until you mentioned the dreaded word L**e. It's history now, the bogeyman isn't coming back. I'm hopeful the club will be bought then stabilise under the guidance of a decent british manager before trying to get back to where it was. I don't mind if the new owner is not a gazillionaire - just as long as he\she cares about the club and the fans. No-one is dumb enough to invite L**e back to this club, it would be the end.[/QUOTE] I know that, YOU know that, and (potentially) circa 33000 know that The only one who doesn't know that is LOWE His EGO just drives him on and on ........ he has acknowledged many times that he cares NOT what his CUSTOMERS think He has NEVER done anything wrong in his eyes, and he wants to come back because he " Loves The Club " Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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