Bailey Posted 30 April, 2009 Share Posted 30 April, 2009 http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11688_5259459,00.html Watch him excel and prove all his critics on here how wrong they are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Griffo Posted 30 April, 2009 Share Posted 30 April, 2009 Won't take long to catch him, slow bastard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bungle Posted 30 April, 2009 Share Posted 30 April, 2009 Any bid over £0 is an overpayment. He is very poor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted 30 April, 2009 Author Share Posted 30 April, 2009 Despite the fact that Surman is a local lad and a Saints fan, there comes a time when he needs to put his career ahead of his support for our club. If he wants to develop and improve as a player, then realistically he needs to be playing at a higher level than League One. Add to that the fact that we're in desperate need of money, then it seems almost inevitable that he will eventually leave. Reading are interested in him, of that I'm sure, and I have no doubt that Surman would excel under Coppell. People who criticise him on here really confuse me. He's proven in recent years that he's a good player with bags of potential, and I believe he'd start to realise that potential at a decent club such as Reading. In fairness to Drew, he's been playing in a poor side who arguably have been severly mis-managed in recent times. Whatever happens, I wish Surman all the best, and I look forward to him proving a large number of doubters on here wrong. I wrote the above on another thread where people have been slating Surman. I just don't understand why so many of our fans don't rate him! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted 30 April, 2009 Author Share Posted 30 April, 2009 Won't take long to catch him, slow bastard. I'm always quick to defend Surman, but I have to admit, that made me laugh! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dicko Posted 30 April, 2009 Share Posted 30 April, 2009 I wrote the above on another thread where people have been slating Surman. I just don't understand why so many of our fans don't rate him! Because he's been poor for a very long time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted 30 April, 2009 Author Share Posted 30 April, 2009 Because he's been poor for a very long time Granted, he hasn't been great in recent weeks, arguably longer than that, but he's shown in the past that he's got what it takes to become a good player. Drew definitely has potential, and in the right environment he could flourish and improve dramatically. Just you wait and see! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustMike Posted 30 April, 2009 Share Posted 30 April, 2009 Granted, he hasn't been great in recent weeks, arguably longer than that, but he's shown in the past that he's got what it takes to become a good player. Drew definitely has potential, and in the right environment he could flourish and improve dramatically. Just you wait and see! i agree. Its been a hard couple of years for a young player like surman, who many see as an "old head" in a team of kids, forgetting that he is still developing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Griffo Posted 30 April, 2009 Share Posted 30 April, 2009 Granted, he hasn't been great in recent weeks, arguably longer than that, but he's shown in the past that he's got what it takes to become a good player. Drew definitely has potential, and in the right environment he could flourish and improve dramatically. Just you wait and see! I agree. In bursts or flashes he looks a class above the rest of our team, but recently he's been awful. He's going to be a very good player in the future though. About the joke, I would have said it for any of the players, it was just too good an opportunity . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Godfather Posted 30 April, 2009 Share Posted 30 April, 2009 May of had a poor season but still is a very good player for the future and will do well but not for us. Two million is a realistic fee assuming we don't fold. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mase Posted 30 April, 2009 Share Posted 30 April, 2009 Personally I’ll be disappointed if we get less than the £700K that’s been rumoured around on the board. I think £700K is about right considering our current situation… If everything was financially fine, then I reckon closer to £2 million would be accurate, possibly more... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 30 April, 2009 Share Posted 30 April, 2009 he had a poor end to the season, he lost some confidence in that midweek game (not sure which might hav been Sheff United) and never really recovered. However, he wasn't poor all season and stepped up to the plate to play in centre midfield (when we were down to the bare bones) and forged a half decent partnership with Jack Cork. He certainly hasn't been helped by the ugly long ball tactics deployed by Wotte that has seen all `footballers' (Lallana, Surman, McGoldrick and Schneiderlin) struggle as they simply never see the ball. He is still young and in my eyes is still improving. Some of you will never be convinced but don't come crying to me when you see Wotton hoofing it anywhere next season and we don't create anything. You need ball players in the side like Surman and he will be missed for sure. Don't think for a minute we will sign anyone better than him. Lee Holmes to replace him I hear you say. **** off, he is ****e. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yate Saint Posted 30 April, 2009 Share Posted 30 April, 2009 Play him in a decent team and he will probably flourish. Same with all are younger players, they just didn't have time to develop. All thrown in at the deep end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AtomicSaint Posted 30 April, 2009 Share Posted 30 April, 2009 Here's a question, you can have Drew or BWP not both, for me it would be Surman every time. The season he pyayed with Bale at left back was excellent. I believe he is suffering from a lack of confidance and feeling the responsibility of a local lad in his team. I think his and many others fitness could improve a lot which says something about the non playing activities at Saints but I would still select Drew over DWP ant day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
s0108787 Posted 30 April, 2009 Share Posted 30 April, 2009 hopefully with a few clubs interested the price will be a little inflated... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gonzo Posted 30 April, 2009 Share Posted 30 April, 2009 Surman is not a poor player. He's just suffered from being in such a poor team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_Jonny Posted 30 April, 2009 Share Posted 30 April, 2009 Id rather we kept him tbh, need a player like him to keep the team together somewhat. Out matty oakley if you will.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gonzo Posted 30 April, 2009 Share Posted 30 April, 2009 Id rather we kept him tbh, need a player like him to keep the team together somewhat. Out matty oakley if you will.. Unfortunately I don't think we've got much choice. He's one of the few players we've got who are worth anything. Most of them we'd have to pay clubs to take off our hands. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emerson massey Posted 30 April, 2009 Share Posted 30 April, 2009 I agree with most on this thread, a very promising player that has been either restricted or held back by our current 'team' Its a shame we will not be the ones to benefit (as with others we have brought through and had to sell for various reasons) All IMHO of course I know my low post count will probably raise suspicions but no, i am not drew just a heartbroken saint that laments our current situation and just trying to defend what could have been a potential top player for us, COYR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sotonist Posted 30 April, 2009 Share Posted 30 April, 2009 Drew reminds me of Chrissy Baird. But i don't think he's as good as Baird, own goals not withstanding. I think he'll end up as reserves fodder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rick1976.4.38 Posted 1 May, 2009 Share Posted 1 May, 2009 drew isnt a bad player,its just that hes in a poor team and will show how talented he is if he moves,good luck to him.another player not so good for us but doing ok at another club,young nathen dyer,swans seem to be getting the best out of him,concurring theme here,is that saints are poor at the moment and are not getting the best out of players,coyr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheeky Monkey Posted 1 May, 2009 Share Posted 1 May, 2009 Any bid over £0 is an overpayment. He is very poor. Stupid Post of the week - well done !!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crouchi Posted 1 May, 2009 Share Posted 1 May, 2009 He's still scored more than anyone apart from McGoldrick - if we survive, we are going to need some more goals to stop the drop to Div 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry the Badger Posted 1 May, 2009 Share Posted 1 May, 2009 AGAIN, his critics have merely said he's been very, very poor this season. Playing well for Reading won't alter his performance for a different club in the previous season, yes? No, his critics have not "merely said he's been very poor this season". Many have said he's a waste of space and will not go on to achieve anything, they are wrong IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobM Posted 1 May, 2009 Share Posted 1 May, 2009 Talent is one thing. Consistency, balls, courage, determination are all important too. Surman has shown he has the talent to succeed at CCC level, possibly higher in the future. But he is inconsistent and doesn't show the same level of performance week in, week out. More often than not he has been at best average. But when the going gets tough, when we need players to 'roll up their sleeves' and get stuck in, he goes missing. Consistent performances is what we need to get out of league 1, with the right fighting attitude to match. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
washsaint Posted 1 May, 2009 Share Posted 1 May, 2009 LMAO - our fans are so great they slag our players off wihout a moments thought. First of all Kenwyne Jones was s***e....not doing too bad is he? Then the rubbish about Walcott bening overhyped McGoldrick (our top scorer) being slated And now, a local lad who loves Saints being slagged off...... A question for some of you....how well have the experienced players done for us: Euell: could not hit a barn door Saganowski: hideously overrated and hideously overpaid Wotton: headless chicken and hoofer extraordinaire Skacel: absolute tosh One person on here who really seems to hit the nail on the head is Chez. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emerson massey Posted 1 May, 2009 Share Posted 1 May, 2009 He may be promising, he may be held back by the current team (although I don't see anyone being as kind about Saga), but how does a bad team around you stop you running as hard as you can all day, giving your all and closing down the opposition? In 2 vital games recently I saw him lose posession and stand there sulking before casually strolling back. But worst of all, how does having a bad team around you make you mi**** every dead ball? Floating corners off for goal kicks, hitting the first man. Heard Le Tissier saying several times watching modern players, "how can you mi**** a dead ball?!", and it's true. Bewildering for so many professionals to be so **** at it. The ball doesn't move ffs. And Surman is the main culprit. But to be fair, someone should have pushed him aside and taken his place. Wotte especially should have had someone else on set pieces. Some very fair points there and i agree completely about his poor dead ball delivery, when he first broke through to the first team i thought he put in good, promising performances, and looked a potential good player to me - i agree that he has not had any consistency in recent times, which leaves me to wonder a) he had a first good season but that was maybe exhuberance at breaking through but is actually a pretty bog standard ccc player or b) he still has the ability to play well, but was adverasly affected by the goings on at the club (he is a fan after all) and with better people around him (i'm including players, training staff and managers) would have flourished i lean towards b myself, but tbh i dont make it many games, maybe 8-10 a season so my opinion is flawed, but i'm just basing this on what little i have seen and again, i completely agree about the old dead ball situation, if drew was our best then i'm not surprised we are where we are, especially considering the importance of goals from set pieces in this league Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandwichsaint Posted 1 May, 2009 Share Posted 1 May, 2009 Surman will do absolutely fine at Reading. He's more than competent at CCC level in a range of positions, playing with better players, in a better team, with better coaches and in a team that's competetive I think he will thrive. He's probably gone as far as he can with Saints (L1!) and owes it to himself and his career to get out at the best level he can. I would love to keep him in L1 but it seems most fans (on here at least) regard him as a busted flush. If we can get £500,000+ for him I guess everybody will be happy, but don't expect us to be able to buy a like-for-like player for that money, nor attract recent u21 internationals into L1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Papa Shango Posted 1 May, 2009 Share Posted 1 May, 2009 Any bid over £0 is an overpayment. He is very poor. Very true. Do these people who keep defending Surman even watch games? He's been poor for two years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teamsaint Posted 1 May, 2009 Share Posted 1 May, 2009 Saints have been poorly mnaged for years- THAT is why players who look poor/inconsistent for us go on to do well elsewhere. We need consistency, motivation, a team that is built not thrown together, and we need, as Ted Bates always did, to play to our strengths. ( although I'm not really sure what they are ATM!!) Surman will prove to be a class act at Reading or elsewhere, he is a very talented footballer, and Steve Coppell knows it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Papa Shango Posted 1 May, 2009 Share Posted 1 May, 2009 Granted, he hasn't been great in recent weeks, arguably longer than that, but he's shown in the past that he's got what it takes to become a good player. Drew definitely has potential, and in the right environment he could flourish and improve dramatically. Just you wait and see! How many REALLY good games can you name that Surman has had in the last two years, ie when has he really influenced things for the team? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry the Badger Posted 1 May, 2009 Share Posted 1 May, 2009 Anybody who has played football to any level knows that if a team is constantly chopping and changing, if you're playing with different players alongside you each week, it is very hard to show your full quality. There is no understanding amongst team mates and it's very hard work. That is part of the reason that so many of our players have not lived up to expectation these last two years. Maybe they should have dealt better with it but the effect of the constant messing around with the team cannot be underestimated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 1 May, 2009 Share Posted 1 May, 2009 AGAIN, his critics have merely said he's been very, very poor this season. Playing well for Reading won't alter his performance for a different club in the previous season, yes? and teh critics are still wrong. He was good earlier in the season and my man of the match on a number of occasions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 1 May, 2009 Share Posted 1 May, 2009 I have always thought he was a good player but he has had a really bad season, i agree that the tactics have not helped or the fact that he has been singled out as the 'old head' was a very good point. As i said a while ago the boy is seriously struggling with form and IMO needed to be dropped and let him get it out of his system, problem was with Wotte keep playing him i believe it damaged his confidence even more, some people can play through bad form others simply can't and i believe AS was in the second category. He will bounce back, i believe he has had a child (although i may be very wrong here), he is young and been given too much responsibilities, and he is in the middle of his club litterally dieing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Appy Posted 1 May, 2009 Share Posted 1 May, 2009 Surman will only do well in a team that is playing well. He hides when the going gets tough. We don't need players like that next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saints_is_the_south Posted 1 May, 2009 Share Posted 1 May, 2009 Granted, he hasn't been great in recent weeks Recent weeks? More like the last 18 months. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy_Porter Posted 1 May, 2009 Share Posted 1 May, 2009 I don't like him at all, there simply isn't room in the same side for Schneiderlin, Lallana and Surman you can't play three players like that in the same midfield. Surman is probably worth the most money of the three so it makes sense to sell him, won't be a loss to the side at all. Doesn't help that he doesn't really know his best position, IMO he's probably best at left back. He doesn't have the pace to play on the wing and he's far too weak to play in the middle. 700k would be good business for everyone involved. He's certainly got potential to be a good player for Reading but he's stagnated here and we need rid of him and really could do with some money to keep us going. I'd be quite happy to see Schneiderlin, Dyer, Mcgoldrick and Lallana all go for around 700k as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SFC Forever Posted 1 May, 2009 Share Posted 1 May, 2009 To be able to keep a player like Surman we would simply need couple of hard grafters around him. Give him a chance to perform and I am fairly confident he will. Le tiss wasn't the greatest tackler either but he won lots of games for us . Not that Drew is in his class but he has sometimes shown a bit of grit. He needs more muscle both on him and around him to flourish. Everyone says Saeijs has done well but he has made some horendous mistakes at the back which have cost us goals. DMG is another that could do with putting some muscle on. We will probably keep the bulk of our team next year and as such they will have had a very tough year to grow. Next season could with a decent manager see all the youngsters toughened up a bit or shipped out. It's not much fun seeing your players being brushed aside week in week out. Surman,Lallana,DMG and James have all had a tough year and if we keep them they could help us back to the CCC. Of them all Lallana to me is the weakest and easiest to replace. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Bates Posted 1 May, 2009 Share Posted 1 May, 2009 Chasing the Surman dream does not count as exercise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWD Posted 2 May, 2009 Share Posted 2 May, 2009 Surman is a good player, and more to the point he bleeds read and white. What people seem to forget is that this lad is only 22 but plays with a maturity far beyond his years. I for one will be sad to see him go Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ulstersaint Posted 3 May, 2009 Share Posted 3 May, 2009 How many REALLY good games can you name that Surman has had in the last two years, ie when has he really influenced things for the team? Good question. Not a lot of answers so far. For me, Surman started well and showed a lot of promise. Then he got a fairly regular place in the team this season and had a great opportunity to influence games - but he hasn't delivered. Talented but lightweight. Goes missing in games. Probably thinks he is better than he is. Some would blame this on him playing in a poor team having a tough time, but this season was his chance to shine and he has not taken it. Take the money from Reading. We need it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chivvy1664 Posted 3 May, 2009 Share Posted 3 May, 2009 if he was right footed you wouldnt notice him. championship player at best. we are no longer in the championship. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crab Lungs Posted 3 May, 2009 Share Posted 3 May, 2009 LMAO - our fans are so great they slag our players off wihout a moments thought. First of all Kenwyne Jones was s***e....not doing too bad is he? Then the rubbish about Walcott bening overhyped McGoldrick (our top scorer) being slated And now, a local lad who loves Saints being slagged off...... A question for some of you....how well have the experienced players done for us: Euell: could not hit a barn door Saganowski: hideously overrated and hideously overpaid Wotton: headless chicken and hoofer extraordinaire Skacel: absolute tosh One person on here who really seems to hit the nail on the head is Chez. Spot on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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