Toadhall Saint Posted 2 May, 2009 Share Posted 2 May, 2009 But no surprises really.... http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/sport/4337986.Vultures_circle_over_Saints__talent/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 2 May, 2009 Share Posted 2 May, 2009 But no surprises really.... http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/sport/4337986.Vultures_circle_over_Saints__talent/ We will be fielding VTFC players next season i should expect, the youth team at that. Still, it was always coming, lets just hope we can keep a solid core...... or the new owners realise that doing a leicster (keeping the think of the team intact) is the best way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
washsaint Posted 2 May, 2009 Share Posted 2 May, 2009 ummm.....notice that the players other clubs are interested in are the ones that get a right slagging in here and I notice there was no mention of people being interested in the crap like Euell, Saganowski, Wotton, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beatlesaint Posted 2 May, 2009 Share Posted 2 May, 2009 See Lloyd James in mentioned. I had kinda hoped we might keep him and get a manager who, and I realise this is contreversial, might actually play him in his natural position of right midfield. I bet, if he goes, it wont be to play as a right back !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
docker-p Posted 2 May, 2009 Share Posted 2 May, 2009 ummm.....notice that the players other clubs are interested in are the ones that get a right slagging in here and I notice there was no mention of people being interested in the crap like Euell, Saganowski, Wotton, etc. Euell etc are all too old to excite any buyers really, and the above mentioned youngsters I believe have not performed as well as they might have done this season. Maybe with different management they could have performed better, and other clubs probably realise that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 2 May, 2009 Share Posted 2 May, 2009 Really hope we keep DMG for the next few years - no doubt in my mind that he will do well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
docker-p Posted 2 May, 2009 Share Posted 2 May, 2009 Really hope we keep DMG for the next few years - no doubt in my mind that he will do well. Just goes to show, it's a funny old game. DMG can't leave SFC quick enough for me. Over rated, talentless, unfit, lazy, waste of space. Good goal against Palace though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 2 May, 2009 Share Posted 2 May, 2009 Just goes to show, it's a funny old game. DMG can't leave SFC quick enough for me. Over rated, talentless, unfit, lazy, waste of space. Good goal against Palace though. If you truly believe that you are utterly clueless IMO. Granted, I would take him off penalty duty though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dibden Purlieu Saint Posted 2 May, 2009 Share Posted 2 May, 2009 Just goes to show, it's a funny old game. DMG can't leave SFC quick enough for me. Over rated, talentless, unfit, lazy, waste of space. Good goal against Palace though. I've got to say, I disagree. I think McGoldrick will be a very good player, and I think as an attacking midfielder he isn't bad at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 2 May, 2009 Share Posted 2 May, 2009 Just goes to show, it's a funny old game. DMG can't leave SFC quick enough for me. Over rated, talentless, unfit, lazy, waste of space. Good goal against Palace though. think he has ability but not worked hard enough. saw him for the youth when he looked arrogant and lazy - but you could see he knew he would score and he did. Has score few good goals this year and good calm finished. When you look at his goal return, we have had several years when an experienced forward playing with better support in better team haven't score that many. Game that impressed my was Watford away. He worked harder than anyone and looked class on the ball (went with mates from London, non-saints, who were very impressed.) Think next season could really make him - if he plays as a forward with a decent -for that level - target man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 2 May, 2009 Share Posted 2 May, 2009 think he has ability but not worked hard enough. saw him for the youth when he looked arrogant and lazy - but you could see he knew he would score and he did. Has score few good goals this year and good calm finished. When you look at his goal return, we have had several years when an experienced forward playing with better support in better team haven't score that many. Game that impressed my was Watford away. He worked harder than anyone and looked class on the ball (went with mates from London, non-saints, who were very impressed.) Think next season could really make him - if he plays as a forward with a decent -for that level - target man. Ever since he has not been forced to play in the "revolutionary" system, he's been quality IMO. More ability than most strikers who have played for Sainst in the past 15 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 2 May, 2009 Share Posted 2 May, 2009 Just goes to show, it's a funny old game. DMG can't leave SFC quick enough for me. Over rated, talentless, unfit, lazy, waste of space. Good goal against Palace though. We will probably get quite a bit for him actually, if we hold out hard enough. Not silly money but I think 2+ million would be obtainable. He is a good player but suffers from the impression that he's lazy,which he probably isn't. In a good side (without Saganowski,BWP and Euell dragging it down by their static performances) he will probably do OK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crab Lungs Posted 2 May, 2009 Share Posted 2 May, 2009 McGoldrick does have ability... he just needs one of the biggest kicks up the arse anyone could give him, ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dibden Purlieu Saint Posted 2 May, 2009 Share Posted 2 May, 2009 We will probably get quite a bit for him actually, if we hold out hard enough. Not silly money but I think 2+ million would be obtainable. He is a good player but suffers from the impression that he's lazy,which he probably isn't. In a good side (without Saganowski,BWP and Euell dragging it down by their static performances) he will probably do OK. Apparently he is a really nice guy, and not at all arrogant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
docker-p Posted 2 May, 2009 Share Posted 2 May, 2009 think he has ability but not worked hard enough. saw him for the youth when he looked arrogant and lazy - but you could see he knew he would score and he did. Has score few good goals this year and good calm finished. When you look at his goal return, we have had several years when an experienced forward playing with better support in better team haven't score that many. Game that impressed my was Watford away. He worked harder than anyone and looked class on the ball (went with mates from London, non-saints, who were very impressed.) Think next season could really make him - if he plays as a forward with a decent -for that level - target man. A mate of mine who went to Watford said the same thing, although I told him to leave off the source before games in future. And i do think he has looked more useful when dropped back a bit. But for me he doen't have the flair to be a natural goal scorer or the attitude to be a useful forward. His ability to go completely awol at times is staggering Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verbal Kint Posted 2 May, 2009 Share Posted 2 May, 2009 Ever since he has not been forced to play in the "revolutionary" system, he's been quality IMO. More ability than most strikers who have played for Sainst in the past 15 years. Absolute nonsense. His first touch is worse than Brett Ormerod's was for christ's sake. He will never make it beyond an average championship striker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dibden Purlieu Saint Posted 2 May, 2009 Share Posted 2 May, 2009 A mate of mine who went to Watford said the same thing, although I told him to leave off the source before games in future. And i do think he has looked more useful when dropped back a bit. But for me he doen't have the flair to be a natural goal scorer or the attitude to be a useful forward. His ability to go completely awol at times is staggering I don't think he does go missing. He always wants the ball, and doesn't go missing half as much as Lallana. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 2 May, 2009 Share Posted 2 May, 2009 Absolute nonsense. His first touch is worse than Brett Ormerod's was for christ's sake. He will never make it beyond an average championship striker IMO he will prove you wrong.Lionel Messi he is not but he will develop into a very good player Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dibden Purlieu Saint Posted 2 May, 2009 Share Posted 2 May, 2009 IMO he will prove you wrong.Lionel Messi he is not but he will develop into a very good player I for one really hope we keep him, I think he is a good talent. I also think that BWP would be very good in League 1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ewell Posted 2 May, 2009 Share Posted 2 May, 2009 Just goes to show, it's a funny old game. DMG can't leave SFC quick enough for me. Over rated, talentless, unfit, lazy, waste of space. Good goal against Palace though. I remember being stood on the milton and one or two saying that in the late 80's about a certain someone, how they were proved to be wrong! I hasten to add I am not saying McGoldrick is anywhere near MLT's class because quite frankly he isn't but he could develop into a very good player for us. A lot better than many give him credit for. Play him off a decent target man with a turn of pace and the ability to convert chances someone like a league 1 James Beattie or Kenwyne Jones and watch McGoldrick flourish! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 2 May, 2009 Share Posted 2 May, 2009 I for one really hope we keep him, I think he is a good talent. I also think that BWP would be very good in League 1. We won't keep either of them;BWP because he won't take a big pay cut, McG because he can do better elsewhere.BWP is rumoured to be on 6/7K a week, we'd be wanting him to play for less than half of that, he's out of contract anyway so unless he agrees to our terms he's out of here. We need to establish wage harmony in the side, no-one on 8K a week and players who are performing better on 2K a week because it is demotivational whether you think about it or not. Imagine McG, scoring some goals, working his butt off alone up front getting slagged off as a lazy bastard in every Chinese Takleaway in Hampshire and seeing that other knob strutting around or doing nothing on 5 times that. Whether you perceive it or not it does have an influence on attitude. When things aren't so great you feel f*ck it why should I bother for a fifth of his money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crab Lungs Posted 2 May, 2009 Share Posted 2 May, 2009 I remember being stood on the milton and one or two saying that in the late 80's about a certain someone, how they were proved to be wrong! I hasten to add I am not saying McGoldrick is anywhere near MLT's class because quite frankly he isn't but he could develop into a very good player for us. A lot better than many give him credit for. Play him off a decent target man with a turn of pace and the ability to convert chances someone like a league 1 James Beattie or Kenwyne Jones and watch McGoldrick flourish! Spot on. Rickie Lambert and Dave McG upfront would run riot. Just gotta get Lambert up here... FWIW I would love us to sign Arron Davies back, too... Davis James Perry Thomas Mills A Davies Gillett Wotton Holmes Lambert McGoldrick Very, very good team for for L1... but of course, I am fantasising... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minsk Posted 2 May, 2009 Share Posted 2 May, 2009 I really hope we manage to keep hold of DMG and Lloyd James, and that we get a manager who will use them both in their best positions (i.e. not as lone striker or a RB). I would also like to see Drew stay, but I fully expect him and Lallana to go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 2 May, 2009 Share Posted 2 May, 2009 I really hope we manage to keep hold of DMG and Lloyd James, and that we get a manager who will use them both in their best positions (i.e. not as lone striker or a RB). I would also like to see Drew stay, but I fully expect him and Lallana to go. Whilst we're on the subject of "playing out of place" which in my opinion is a complete myth anyway,you have to use the talent you have as best you can, has anyone noticed that Rooney is now playing down the left wing for Utd, him being a right footer and all.Seems to be working out OK as well. It is a current trend and several players are showing that provided you have the talent it doesn't matter which side you play or which foot you favour. Messi is of course the shining example of this, he's on the wrong side and better there than on the 'right side'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 2 May, 2009 Share Posted 2 May, 2009 Whilst we're on the subject of "playing out of place" which in my opinion is a complete myth anyway,you have to use the talent you have as best you can, has anyone noticed that Rooney is now playing down the left wing for Utd, him being a right footer and all.Seems to be working out OK as well. It is a current trend and several players are showing that provided you have the talent it doesn't matter which side you play or which foot you favour. Messi is of course the shining example of this, he's on the wrong side and better there than on the 'right side'. Nick Holmes started out in Mid Field and played a lot at full back. Paine played a lot in centre midfield later in his career. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 2 May, 2009 Share Posted 2 May, 2009 Nick Holmes started out in Mid Field and played a lot at full back. Paine played a lot in centre midfield later in his career. Right, two excellent examples, as the game changes and the squad has specific needs some players are capable of stepping up to the plate to play anywhere on the field. We used to have a name for that 'utility player' Dave Webb joined Saints as a utility player I seem to remember. It's the talent you have that counts not where you play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilchards Posted 2 May, 2009 Share Posted 2 May, 2009 Absolute nonsense. His first touch is worse than Brett Ormerod's was for christ's sake. He will never make it beyond an average championship striker That is what coaching is for. We coached Crouch and Kenwyn Jones to name a few, to be better than when we first got them. McG is going to become a player that could earn this club loads if we make sure that they put a sell on fee. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWD Posted 2 May, 2009 Share Posted 2 May, 2009 Who will buy our youngsters? IMO only James and DMG have come out of the season with any credit, the rest have hardly set the world alight! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toadhall Saint Posted 2 May, 2009 Author Share Posted 2 May, 2009 DMG - is a lot better than some give him credit for. I wouldn't want to lose him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southamptonfclegend Posted 2 May, 2009 Share Posted 2 May, 2009 If you truly believe that you are utterly clueless IMO. Granted, I would take him off penalty duty though. have you watched him all season? seriously everyone is 'bigging' him up i think recently hes done well but up until March he was Sh*t Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 2 May, 2009 Share Posted 2 May, 2009 have you watched him all season? seriously everyone is 'bigging' him up i think recently hes done well but up until March he was Sh*t To play up front alone against the big bruising centre halves in the CCC takes some doing. he did well and an hold his head up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 2 May, 2009 Share Posted 2 May, 2009 IMO he will become a very accomplished AMF, but we will see, he is has a good finisher but from what i have seen he can tackle when needed, has a lot of energy and is an accomplished passer of the ball. But we will see. Hope we hold on to him, also i feel we have a great squad for next year, lose skacel, Saga and i feel we will do well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Marco Posted 2 May, 2009 Share Posted 2 May, 2009 Thought Wotte said he would resign if he failed to keep us up? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SFC Forever Posted 2 May, 2009 Share Posted 2 May, 2009 I would like to keep James,DMG and Surman Nobody seems overly enamoured with Spiderman and I would sell him if there is a buyer. We need a back or two and another CB to see us thru in defence. Midfield we could do with a muscular driving force as up front a muscular target man. Get rid of Smith ,Euell Saga and Lallana who are either lazy conceited or just not up to it. Gobern, Mcclaggon and Paterson should be pushing for a game next season and if not get rid. The new manager will have his own ideas and hopefully will be given a free hand to buy and sell as he sees fit within our means. We do have to get Kelvin on a contract asap and Saeijs if a deal can be worked could also be a good signing in a league where talent is not as plentiful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forever a red and white Posted 2 May, 2009 Share Posted 2 May, 2009 McGoldrick must be kept, he has scored over 15 goals this season, as many as Stern John last season, the highly praised man we couldn't afford to lose, and he is younger. He will improve, he knows where the net is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 2 May, 2009 Share Posted 2 May, 2009 his first season as well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SFC Forever Posted 2 May, 2009 Share Posted 2 May, 2009 First season and really chucked into the deep end. In my book he hasn't done to badly. Maybe could have done a bit more but when we were playing such a load of untried kids at the start and they got found wanting the management was incapable of giving any help. James would never make it was the general feeling after a few games but has ended up as one of the seasons stars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 2 May, 2009 Share Posted 2 May, 2009 Who will buy our youngsters? IMO only James and DMG have come out of the season with any credit, the rest have hardly set the world alight! Nobody else has a long enough run I would have thought apart from Surman and Lallana Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidthesquid Posted 2 May, 2009 Share Posted 2 May, 2009 McGoldrick does have ability... he just needs one of the biggest kicks up the arse anyone could give him, ever. I think he got one this season. Started the season as though he could walk in twenty goals, then like a rabbit in the headlights when he realised how tough it was, and the penny dropped - work hard & chances will come, combined with a switch to what looks like his best position and suddenly it all comes together. He will be a good player Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidthesquid Posted 2 May, 2009 Share Posted 2 May, 2009 Nobody else has a long enough run I would have thought apart from Surman and Lallana Gillett Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 2 May, 2009 Share Posted 2 May, 2009 Gillett Yes I forgot him as he has done OK in patches when available but then he is not that young Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidthesquid Posted 2 May, 2009 Share Posted 2 May, 2009 I for one really hope we keep him, I think he is a good talent. I also think that BWP would be very good in League 1. He will never be a good footballer in any division. He has a bit of talent but he must be the most brainless footballer I have ever watched. Apart from a worse grasp of the offside rule than the average granny, he never anticipates, never sees the space to run into and never takes the right option. He plays like a twelve year-old Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
70's Mike Posted 2 May, 2009 Share Posted 2 May, 2009 we need the three centers half mid forward Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 2 May, 2009 Share Posted 2 May, 2009 we need the three centers half mid forward half - Thomas, Perry and Size? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
70's Mike Posted 2 May, 2009 Share Posted 2 May, 2009 half - Thomas, Perry and Size? Size will be gone and imo Thomas is injury prone and is not consistent enough , to many mistakes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintjinksie Posted 2 May, 2009 Share Posted 2 May, 2009 If you truly believe that you are utterly clueless IMO. Granted, I would take him off penalty duty though. He is gash, he has no pace and no composure, league 1 would be his level IMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 2 May, 2009 Share Posted 2 May, 2009 for someone that bad, playing in a poor team, some of season in midfield and some with no support upfront, with no pace or composure he has managed 12 league goals and something like 16 all together. few years of our top scorers; 1996 MLT/ Shipperly 7 1997 MLT 95/96 Shipperley/ Le Tissier 7 96/97 Le Tissier 13 97/98 Le Tissier/ Ostenstad 11 98/99 Le Tissier/ Ostenstad 7 99/00 Pahars 13 00/01 Beattie 11 01/02 Pahars 14 02/03 Beattie 23 03/04 Beattie 14 04/05 Crouch 12 05/06 Fuller 9 Wonder how many of those got in their first season? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SFC Forever Posted 2 May, 2009 Share Posted 2 May, 2009 Not bad for a first season . Only 1 scored the magic 20 plus and his goals didn't do us much good. DMG will do better next year and more so if he can add a little more muscle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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