miserableoldgit Posted 4 May, 2009 Share Posted 4 May, 2009 Just watching "Soccer Extra" and Glenn Hoddle is on the sofa (dalek2003 is probably sat with a box of tissues on the arm of his chair!) and he was bemoaning the lack of special players when he was England manager. Pity he treated one particular "special" player the way he did then! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Bates Posted 4 May, 2009 Share Posted 4 May, 2009 Just watching "Soccer Extra" and Glenn Hoddle is on the sofa (dalek2003 is probably sat with a box of tissues on the arm of his chair!) and he was bemoaning the lack of special players when he was England manager. Pity he treated one particular "special" player the way he did then! Did he tell the player he sinned in a former life? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 4 May, 2009 Share Posted 4 May, 2009 Just watching "Soccer Extra" and Glenn Hoddle is on the sofa (dalek2003 is probably sat with a box of tissues on the arm of his chair!) and he was bemoaning the lack of special players when he was England manager. Pity he treated one particular "special" player the way he did then! Two words, Glenn : Russia B. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 4 May, 2009 Share Posted 4 May, 2009 he also said how sad he was and had happy days down here, trying to avoid a smirk when he said how we look now after moving into the stadium.Funny as he left just as we were moving to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRichmond Posted 4 May, 2009 Share Posted 4 May, 2009 Did he tell the player he sinned in a former life? Yeah ... did he reveal what it was like being a Tw*t in a former one of his ??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leicestersaint Posted 4 May, 2009 Share Posted 4 May, 2009 Hoddle's treatment of MLT was a total disgrace never to be forgotten or forgiven. What an idiot! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miserableoldgit Posted 4 May, 2009 Author Share Posted 4 May, 2009 Hoddle's treatment of MLT was a total disgrace never to be forgotten or forgiven. What an idiot! I`m sure that dalek has forgiven him! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Ron fan Posted 4 May, 2009 Share Posted 4 May, 2009 By my reckoning, when England manager, Hoddle had at his disposal, as well as Le Tiss, Gascoigne, Beckham, Shearer, Scholes, Owen. To bemoan his lack of 'special' players is a bizarre comment, even by his own standards. (Not as bizarre as the tactics he employed, though!!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 4 May, 2009 Share Posted 4 May, 2009 It's one of them things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OttawaSaint Posted 4 May, 2009 Share Posted 4 May, 2009 I hate Venebles more than Hoddle, Le Tiss was head and shoulders the best English player in 1996, would have scored a pen in that Semi as well. Some of Glenn's karma at work there... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 4 May, 2009 Share Posted 4 May, 2009 I hate Venebles more than Hoddle, Le Tiss was head and shoulders the best English player in 1996, would have scored a pen in that Semi as well. Some of Glenn's karma at work there... The problem with Le Tissier I thought was where to play him in an international team I would have thought Venables did pretty well as England's coach Other talented players like Charlie George and Peter Osgood Alan Hudson did not play many games for England either Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OttawaSaint Posted 4 May, 2009 Share Posted 4 May, 2009 The problem with Le Tissier I thought was where to play him in an international team I would have thought Venables did pretty well as England's coach Other talented players like Charlie George and Peter Osgood Alan Hudson did not play many games for England either Two words: Darren Anderton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 4 May, 2009 Share Posted 4 May, 2009 By my reckoning, when England manager, Hoddle had at his disposal, as well as Le Tiss, Gascoigne, Beckham, Shearer, Scholes, Owen. To bemoan his lack of 'special' players is a bizarre comment, even by his own standards. (Not as bizarre as the tactics he employed, though!!) Gazza was past it did not get into the squad Beckham Owen Scholes pretty young at the time Shearer Very Good but not special Rooney Ronaldo Drogba Torres Gerard are Special I would suggest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 4 May, 2009 Share Posted 4 May, 2009 Gazza was past it did not get into the squad Beckham Owen Scholes pretty young at the time Shearer Very Good but not special Rooney Ronaldo Drogba Torres Gerard are Special I would suggest If Drogba and Rooney are "special" then so is Shearer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oxfordshire_saint Posted 4 May, 2009 Share Posted 4 May, 2009 The team in 1998 were more than capable. Shearer and Sheringham were both still top-class strikers, Owen was a phenomenal young talent, Beckham was establishing himself, Ince was a brilliant central midfielder, Sol Campbell was also establishing himself well, Scholes was at his peak, Seaman was a solid keeper, Le Saux and Gary Neville were decent full-backs. It was no surprise that the likes of Neville, Beckham, Scholes and Sheringham went on to win the Champions League the season after with Utd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 4 May, 2009 Share Posted 4 May, 2009 If Drogba and Rooney are "special" then so is Shearer. Thats thing about football everybody can have an opinion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 4 May, 2009 Share Posted 4 May, 2009 Two words: Darren Anderton Yes Darren Anderton was a winger I would have thought How would you categorise MLT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalek2003 Posted 4 May, 2009 Share Posted 4 May, 2009 The fact remains that if gelnn Hoddle had been appointed in 2004 we would have reamined in the Prem I think David Clausentum from Rivals .net sums it up neatly; 'Where the hell did it all start? The departure of WGS and the childish rants of adolescent teen fans disgusted with Lowe's intention to bring back Hoddle. I doubt we would have gone down with Glenda at the helm, but the fans knew best. So there you go, we started the rot ourselves and now look to blame everyone else, even Chris Nichols late 80's era.' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 4 May, 2009 Share Posted 4 May, 2009 The fact remains that if gelnn Hoddle had been appointed in 2004 we would have reamined in the Prem I think David Clausentum from Rivals .net sums it up neatly; 'Where the hell did it all start? The departure of WGS and the childish rants of adolescent teen fans disgusted with Lowe's intention to bring back Hoddle. I doubt we would have gone down with Glenda at the helm, but the fans knew best. So there you go, we started the rot ourselves and now look to blame everyone else, even Chris Nichols late 80's era.' Why dont we just accept that we got relegated twice and get on with it. I have been supporting Saints for nearly fifty years in that time we have been relegated three times and promoted three times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 4 May, 2009 Share Posted 4 May, 2009 The fact remains that if gelnn Hoddle had been appointed in 2004 we would have reamined in the Prem I think David Clausentum from Rivals .net sums it up neatly; 'Where the hell did it all start? The departure of WGS and the childish rants of adolescent teen fans disgusted with Lowe's intention to bring back Hoddle. I doubt we would have gone down with Glenda at the helm, but the fans knew best. So there you go, we started the rot ourselves and now look to blame everyone else, even Chris Nichols late 80's era.' This post shocks me to my very core. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalek2003 Posted 4 May, 2009 Share Posted 4 May, 2009 Why dont we just accept that we got relegated twice and get on with it. I have been supporting Saints for nearly fifty years in that time we have been relegated three times and promoted three times. I have accepted it. However, it is important to know how we got into this mess and those repossible own up to it, including some of the fans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 4 May, 2009 Share Posted 4 May, 2009 I have accepted it. However, it is important to know how we got into this mess and those repossible own up to it, including some of the fans. I do hope there is someone who looks after you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 4 May, 2009 Share Posted 4 May, 2009 Hoddle said before he made a mistake ignoring MLT. The media didn't help but they never do and managers need to be stronger. Other managers were stupid to ignore him, especially venables, but there we go. For 3 or 4 years it was insane to leave him out of any international squad, but managers can be stupid. it was the England managers " revenge " on the South Coast's country boys... Had MLT moved to a London club ( say Spurs..) he'd have played in every game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 4 May, 2009 Share Posted 4 May, 2009 I agree. If MLT had played for Orient or Milwall he'd have got about 100 caps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Chalet Posted 4 May, 2009 Share Posted 4 May, 2009 Two words, Glenn : Russia B. Technically it is one word and one letter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
so22saint Posted 4 May, 2009 Share Posted 4 May, 2009 Glenda could never have dealt with a player with skill approaching his as his personality can't cope with it. Read a number of England auto-biographies to see how he destroyed Beckham's self confidence and froze out MLT and Gazza (Gazza in an awful, awful way from a man management and team leadership perspective). This is why I don't think we would have done any better then Spurs with Glenda in charge - though we wouldn't have been relegated - basically, if the red faced one hadn't tried to repeat the Stuart Grey experiment again "I know, that didn't work last time, but this time we'll try again and we now have a new set of FA rules on coaching badges we can ignore with this wonderful Wigley fella" and employed *any* experienced manager, we'd probably still be in the Premiership. Or, it would have been a 1-2 year stay of execution as we'd have probably still had 100,000,000 managers through the door since then and a squad the size of China's population. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
70's Mike Posted 4 May, 2009 Share Posted 4 May, 2009 Interesting he was prepared to let one of his academy boys go with Stuart Gray at Northampton. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 4 May, 2009 Share Posted 4 May, 2009 I have accepted it. However, it is important to know how we got into this mess and those repossible own up to it, including some of the fans. :rolleyes: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
team-saint Posted 4 May, 2009 Share Posted 4 May, 2009 The fact remains that if gelnn Hoddle had been appointed in 2004 we would have reamined in the Prem I think David Clausentum from Rivals .net sums it up neatly; 'Where the hell did it all start? The departure of WGS and the childish rants of adolescent teen fans disgusted with Lowe's intention to bring back Hoddle. I doubt we would have gone down with Glenda at the helm, but the fans knew best. So there you go, we started the rot ourselves and now look to blame everyone else, even Chris Nichols late 80's era.' I bow down to your powers of divination Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SFC Forever Posted 4 May, 2009 Share Posted 4 May, 2009 Where the hell do you get of Dalek? The fan is the one who stands/now sits, at all games in sun,wind,hail,rain and freezing weathers. The fan is the one who pays a lot more than he can comfortably afford in many cases. Why, because of his love for the club. Had Glenda left us between season not many would have complained so bitterly as he was going(home). The fan has every right to create when Lowe was considering his returning to lead us again. If Lowe had had the bottle to appoint him and he had done well the fan would have come round to the idea. Cheap shots against the fan are way off course my friend. They always will be. I remember when we had a production line of good strikers/centre forwards. I remember bright open attacking football where we would try to score more than we let in. I can also remember the era when we were the alehouse team, the animals from the south. The board make the decisions and the fan has the right to react in his/her own way to those as seen fit. The difference now to then was that no matter how bad we were we always tried. If Glenda had returned there is no guarentee that the team we had would have fared any better. By then he had lost his England job after baffling our supposedly better players with his tactics. How can you tell me for certain that he wouldn't have done the same here? You can't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalek2003 Posted 4 May, 2009 Share Posted 4 May, 2009 Where the hell do you get of Dalek? The fan is the one who stands/now sits, at all games in sun,wind,hail,rain and freezing weathers. The fan is the one who pays a lot more than he can comfortably afford in many cases. Why, because of his love for the club. Had Glenda left us between season not many would have complained so bitterly as he was going(home). The fan has every right to create when Lowe was considering his returning to lead us again. If Lowe had had the bottle to appoint him and he had done well the fan would have come round to the idea. Cheap shots against the fan are way off course my friend. They always will be. I remember when we had a production line of good strikers/centre forwards. I remember bright open attacking football where we would try to score more than we let in. I can also remember the era when we were the alehouse team, the animals from the south. The board make the decisions and the fan has the right to react in his/her own way to those as seen fit. The difference now to then was that no matter how bad we were we always tried. If Glenda had returned there is no guarentee that the team we had would have fared any better. By then he had lost his England job after baffling our supposedly better players with his tactics. How can you tell me for certain that he wouldn't have done the same here? You can't. maybe, I should have been more specific, the tiny minority of fans who put their silly personal vendettas before that of the club. The vast majority of fans were mature and wise enough to see past personalities and realsie that Gelnn was the best manager...you don't have to like a manager as long as he can do the job. Ask an Ipswich supporter 6 months from now ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 4 May, 2009 Share Posted 4 May, 2009 maybe, I should have been more specific, the tiny minority of fans who put their silly personal vendettas before that of the club. The vast majority of fans were mature and wise enough to see past personalities and realsie that Gelnn was the best manager...you don't have to like a manager as long as he can do the job. Ask an Ipswich supporter 6 months from now ! But the point is that the reason we got relegated was because of things we did. Not things we didn't do. We didn't give Hoddle the job.... who cares? (apart from you) We didn't give George Graham the job. We didn't give David Moyes the job. We didn't give Sam Allardyce the job. We didn't give Martin O'Neil the job. We didn't give... blah, blah, blah. In a parallel universe I wonder if there's some weird fantasist banging on about how we'd be at the verge of world doination if we'd given David Moyes the job We went down because we did sack Sturrock after two games. We did appoint Wigley. We did fail to sign a proper centre half in the January window. The fans were excellent. They did not have anything to do with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 4 May, 2009 Share Posted 4 May, 2009 maybe, I should have been more specific, the tiny minority of fans who put their silly personal vendettas before that of the club. The vast majority of fans were mature and wise enough to see past personalities and realsie that Gelnn was the best manager...you don't have to like a manager as long as he can do the job. Ask an Ipswich supporter 6 months from now ![/quote] Dalek, you do realise that Roy Keane is the Ipswich manager, not your beloved Glenn? Or are you still in denial about that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miserableoldgit Posted 4 May, 2009 Author Share Posted 4 May, 2009 maybe, I should have been more specific, the tiny minority of fans who put their silly personal vendettas before that of the club. The vast majority of fans were mature and wise enough to see past personalities and realsie that Gelnn was the best manager...you don't have to like a manager as long as he can do the job. Ask an Ipswich supporter 6 months from now ![/quote] Dalek, you do realise that Roy Keane is the Ipswich manager, not your beloved Glenn? Or are you still in denial about that? :D:D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole Posted 4 May, 2009 Share Posted 4 May, 2009 The fact remains that if gelnn Hoddle had been appointed in 2004 we would have reamined in the Prem I think David Clausentum from Rivals .net sums it up neatly; 'Where the hell did it all start? The departure of WGS and the childish rants of adolescent teen fans disgusted with Lowe's intention to bring back Hoddle. I doubt we would have gone down with Glenda at the helm, but the fans knew best. So there you go, we started the rot ourselves and now look to blame everyone else, even Chris Nichols late 80's era.' Haven't you mentioned something along these lines before? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miserableoldgit Posted 4 May, 2009 Author Share Posted 4 May, 2009 The fact remains that if gelnn Hoddle had been appointed in 2004 we would have reamined in the Prem I think David Clausentum from Rivals .net sums it up neatly; 'Where the hell did it all start? The departure of WGS and the childish rants of adolescent teen fans disgusted with Lowe's intention to bring back Hoddle. I doubt we would have gone down with Glenda at the helm, but the fans knew best. So there you go, we started the rot ourselves and now look to blame everyone else, even Chris Nichols late 80's era.' So...... it`s all the fans fault.......again??:confused: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
solentstars Posted 4 May, 2009 Share Posted 4 May, 2009 yep great choice of managers we turned down hoddle who had a good record at saints for pillocks like sturrock.wigley,gray so we could look forward to third division football. how things might have been but thats all history now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miserableoldgit Posted 4 May, 2009 Author Share Posted 4 May, 2009 yep great choice of managers we turned down hoddle who had a good record at saints for pillocks like sturrock.wigley,gray so we could look forward to third division football. how things might have been but thats all history now. Or might not. Hoddle is no miricle worker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
solentstars Posted 4 May, 2009 Share Posted 4 May, 2009 Or might not. Hoddle is no miricle worker. :Di think i would still have been watching premiership football if he had been reappointed then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miserableoldgit Posted 4 May, 2009 Author Share Posted 4 May, 2009 :Di think i would still have been watching premiership football if he had been reappointed then. Possibly but there is no guarentee. It is all conjecture. I just don`t think that Hoodle is the saviour that some people on here think that he is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 4 May, 2009 Share Posted 4 May, 2009 :Di think i would still have been watching premiership football if he had been reappointed then. I don't. His utter failure at Spurs and Wolves suggest nothing other than acrimony and relegation in his second spell in charge with the fans backlash against Lowe and Hoddle ten times deeper than anything we're even seeing now. Hoddle would have been gone before Christmas with us staring relegation in the face, and we probably would have ended up with Wiggers anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
solentstars Posted 4 May, 2009 Share Posted 4 May, 2009 Possibly but there is no guarentee. It is all conjecture. I just don`t think that Hoodle is the saviour that some people on here think that he is. you could be right but he did a terrific job while he was here and the players rated him highly and strachan reckoned he laid good foundations at the club and we chose a third division manager instead but hey we are in the first division now,its all history now . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alain Perrin Posted 4 May, 2009 Share Posted 4 May, 2009 But the point is that the reason we got relegated was because of things we did. Not things we didn't do. We went down because we did sack Sturrock after two games. We did appoint Wigley. We did fail to sign a proper centre half in the January window. The fans were excellent. They did not have anything to do with it. But if we didn't appoint Wigley and we did appoint Hoddle. And if the fans did support the return of Hoddle and didn't protest about it. We didn't get relegated. QED. The fans did have something to do with it. And... if you want to drive it further. Because the fan's were proved wrong (in Lowe's eyes) AND he listened to them, it probably strengthened his own mind not to make that mistake again. That, in due course, led to the sacking of Nigel Pearson (which the fans DIDN'T want) and ultimately our relegation from the Championship (if you believe NP would have done better). QED - the fans caused the destruction of the club. FACT (or not, but it sounds better than conjecture) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alain Perrin Posted 4 May, 2009 Share Posted 4 May, 2009 I don't. His utter failure at Spurs and Wolves suggest nothing other than acrimony and relegation in his second spell in charge with the fans backlash against Lowe and Hoddle ten times deeper than anything we're even seeing now. Hoddle would have been gone before Christmas with us staring relegation in the face, and we probably would have ended up with Wiggers anyway. Did Wolves get relegated under his tenure? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alain Perrin Posted 4 May, 2009 Share Posted 4 May, 2009 I liked Hoddle and would have welcomed him back. He was a manager who could change things tactically and change the match. I always remember thinking that, under him, if we were rubbish in the first half, the second would be better. Better than Strachan's 65 minute stock Fernandez / McCann switcheroo anyway. That said he was an awful signer of players (something WGS got right). Mark Draper FFS. So I'd welcome him back as Coach, but not let him sign anyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SFKA South Woodford Posted 5 May, 2009 Share Posted 5 May, 2009 I have accepted it. However, it is important to know how we got into this mess and those repossible own up to it, including some of the fans. I'll own up to not wanting the arrogant t*sser back, and it's not about him leaving us to go to his beloved Spurs. It's about the mind numbingly boring football we played under his leadership, which was only punctuated by heavy and embarassing defeats, rather than big wins. You can argue, that under his leadership we had a tighter defence, but in his time at Saints, we did not have Callum Davenport, Olivier Bernard, an under strength midfield or a Claus who for most of the relegation season didn't know his arse from his elbow, let alone how to defend properley. So I very much doubt we would of had a wonderfully different season, we may even have had a very much worse one. He is very much not, my personal jesus! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 5 May, 2009 Share Posted 5 May, 2009 Did Wolves get relegated under his tenure? What? They were rolling in parachute cash and were the favourites that season to win the league. Finishing in the play offs was the barest of bare minimums, and although they were seventh they finished miles off - something like ten points. Suggesting Hoddle not relegating one of the richest clubs in the division that season, and the favourites for the league title as some kind of success is just retarded, a bit like saying we should judge Wenger on whether Arsenal stay in the Premier League. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevegrant Posted 5 May, 2009 Share Posted 5 May, 2009 Well this is a new angle from dalek... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
solentstars Posted 5 May, 2009 Share Posted 5 May, 2009 I liked Hoddle and would have welcomed him back. He was a manager who could change things tactically and change the match. I always remember thinking that, under him, if we were rubbish in the first half, the second would be better. Better than Strachan's 65 minute stock Fernandez / McCann switcheroo anyway. That said he was an awful signer of players (something WGS got right). Mark Draper FFS. So I'd welcome him back as Coach, but not let him sign anyone. it reminds me a greek tradgey of how the events unfolded after not reappointed him going for a third division manager instead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalek2003 Posted 5 May, 2009 Share Posted 5 May, 2009 The trouble is that there are people associated with the club at different levels who would like us to conveniently forget that the failure to re-appoint Hoddle and the appointment of Sturrock WAS UNDOUBTEDLY THE SOURCE OF OUR DECLINE...IT WAS THE CATALYST !!!!!!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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