Jeff Le Taxi Posted 27 May, 2009 Share Posted 27 May, 2009 Surely it would make more sense to train at St Marys? wouldnt harm the pitch too much surely? and as for the indoor facilities, whats that all about? We are in League One ffs, bunch of pansies, get out and run in the rain for gods sake as that IS what you are training for! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 27 May, 2009 Share Posted 27 May, 2009 Absolutely, our state of the art training faciliites clearly have had little or no effect on our ability to bring through talented youngsters and flog them at a massive profit to Prem clubs, let's get rid of the whole shebang. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestSaint Posted 27 May, 2009 Share Posted 27 May, 2009 Strongly disagree. We are in league 1 but I hope that our ambitions are greater than that. It is a good training ground and should be retained as it can only benefit the club with its coaching facilities Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Bates Posted 27 May, 2009 Share Posted 27 May, 2009 Good point, why the hell do we need a state of the art training facility for, such a waste of money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxstone Posted 27 May, 2009 Share Posted 27 May, 2009 Strongly disagree. We are in league 1 but I hope that our ambitions are greater than that. It is a good training ground and should be retained as it can only benefit the club with its coaching facilities Strongly Agree ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestSaint Posted 27 May, 2009 Share Posted 27 May, 2009 Good point, why the hell do we need a state of the art training facility for, such a waste of money. Because we want to be a better club than we currently are and if we sell of all the assets, you will only eventually end up leasing or renting and throwing money down the drain. It is not a good time to sell land - far better to retain it and use it to complement the St Mary's facilities Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Bates Posted 27 May, 2009 Share Posted 27 May, 2009 Because we want to be a better club than we currently are and if we sell of all the assets, you will only eventually end up leasing or renting and throwing money down the drain. It is not a good time to sell land - far better to retain it and use it to complement the St Mary's facilities Sorry Westy, I was kinda being sarcastic, but thank you for replying I think now us 2 have either got to have a war of words, or comment each other's punctuation, you never had a full stop at the end of facilities. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leicestersaint Posted 27 May, 2009 Share Posted 27 May, 2009 Strongly disagree. We are in league 1 but I hope that our ambitions are greater than that. It is a good training ground and should be retained as it can only benefit the club with its coaching facilities Agreed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eelpie Posted 27 May, 2009 Share Posted 27 May, 2009 Absolutely, our state of the art training faciliites clearly have had little or no effect on our ability to bring through talented youngsters and flog them at a massive profit to Prem clubs, let's get rid of the whole shebang. In fact the more luxurious our state of the art got, the worse we became. So rent it out to the skates. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swannymere Posted 27 May, 2009 Share Posted 27 May, 2009 It would absolutely **** the pitch at St.Mary's meaning it would have to be relaid once or twice a season at a cost of a few hundred grand each time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arizona Posted 27 May, 2009 Share Posted 27 May, 2009 It would ruin the pitch. Have you seen how bad pitchs like Wigan get after one game of rugby? I know we aren't that heavy on the pitch, put a squad of players running around on the same piece of grass 6 days a week for a year is going to completely wreck it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gjphilsaint Posted 27 May, 2009 Share Posted 27 May, 2009 Staplewood must stay... but it will only make good players better... these facilities will make little difference to poor players.. hence our problems.Eg: Bale improved as a free kick specialist thanks to the system... but isnt replicating it now!!! Hmmm... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 27 May, 2009 Share Posted 27 May, 2009 Good point, why the hell do we need a state of the art training facility for, such a waste of money. Such an overused term. Southampton's training facilities are FAR from "state of the art". Some Prem clubs have spent £30 million + on training facilities. Yes, Saints training facilities are good, but the term "state of the art" means they are an industry leader which in this case they clearly aren't Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evil Monkey Posted 27 May, 2009 Share Posted 27 May, 2009 Staplewood is a massive asset to the club, and should absolutley be retained. However, I would like to see us train at St Marys every now and then, perhaps in the days building up to home games. Our home form struggled alot this season, this might be a small step towards familiarising the lads with what I'd love to see become a fortress. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krissyboy31 Posted 27 May, 2009 Share Posted 27 May, 2009 Would obviously like to keep it but it surely isn't a deal breaker. However, using St Mary's apart from the odd training session, would be disastrous to the state of the pitch. We would have to do what P**p*y does and rent training facilities (Hardmoor from Solent Uni or part of the Sports Centre from SCC). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted 27 May, 2009 Share Posted 27 May, 2009 It is a training pitch, that's all. If we can sell it for a decent price then sell it. In the old days we trained at Wellington Sports Ground and there was a gym inside the Dell. It didn't stop us getting to second in the league and producing youngsters like Moran, D Wallace, Rod Wallace, Le Tissier, Shearer, Benali and Granger. If it's p*ssing down with rain they can use the all weather pitch at Trojans. All this 'state of the art' training facilities is OK if you can afford it, but it isn't absolutely necessary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ottery st mary Posted 27 May, 2009 Share Posted 27 May, 2009 Staplewood is a massive asset to the club, and should absolutley be retained. However, I would like to see us train at St Marys every now and then, perhaps in the days building up to home games. Our home form struggled alot this season, this might be a small step towards familiarising the lads with what I'd love to see become a fortress. Also showing some of the team a football and some tackling, shooting, off side etc video... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintDonkey Posted 27 May, 2009 Share Posted 27 May, 2009 It is a training pitch, that's all. If we can sell it for a decent price then sell it. In the old days we trained at Wellington Sports Ground and there was a gym inside the Dell. It didn't stop us getting to second in the league and producing youngsters like Moran, D Wallace, Rod Wallace, Le Tissier, Shearer, Benali and Granger. If it's p*ssing down with rain they can use the all weather pitch at Trojans. All this 'state of the art' training facilities is OK if you can afford it, but it isn't absolutely necessary. Hate to say it but football has actually moved on since then. Okay we might do okay in League 1 without decent training facilities but if we want to move back up the pyramid a facility such as Staplewood is a must. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 27 May, 2009 Share Posted 27 May, 2009 Staplewood must stay... but it will only make good players better... these facilities will make little difference to poor players.. hence our problems.Eg: Bale improved as a free kick specialist thanks to the system... but isnt replicating it now!!! Hmmm... That's because he now spends all day building up his trapezius muscles instead of bending the ball around plastic dummy walls. He is the Chimpy Fridge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Right sider Posted 27 May, 2009 Share Posted 27 May, 2009 I would imagine it does not cost that much to maintain the facilities there. At least no difference to renting. So why get rid of perfectly good facilities when you have them? It's not like we are suggesting building new ones from scratch which would cost the club millions! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ottery st mary Posted 27 May, 2009 Share Posted 27 May, 2009 I would imagine it does not cost that much to maintain the facilities there. At least no difference to renting. So why get rid of perfectly good facilities when you have them? It's not like we are suggesting building new ones from scratch which would cost the club millions! Interim measure....Just close the corners at Staplewood to save dosh...It worked at St Marys.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 27 May, 2009 Share Posted 27 May, 2009 Absolutely, our state of the art training faciliites clearly have had little or no effect on our ability to bring through talented youngsters and flog them at a massive profit to Prem clubs, let's get rid of the whole shebang. Surely the Walcott and Bale deals disprove that theory. There's likely to be one or two more -if we see Dyer, Lallana and Surman leave in the summer. The fact that bad management on the Boards behalf had squanderd the profits doesn't negate the fact that concentrating on youth does " pay-off ". It looks a bit doubtful asa League 1 team, but when we go back up those type of facilities would be priceless. Playing every match at SMS and training there too, would totalyy destroy the playing surface in one season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ottery st mary Posted 27 May, 2009 Share Posted 27 May, 2009 Surely the Walcott and Bale deals disprove that theory. There's likely to be one or two more -if we see Dyer, Lallana and Surman leave in the summer. The fact that bad management on the Boards behalf had squanderd the profits doesn't negate the fact that concentrating on youth does " pay-off ". It looks a bit doubtful asa League 1 team, but when we go back up those type of facilities would be priceless. Playing every match at SMS and training there too, would totalyy destroy the playing surface in one season. Saints produced many great players whilst training at Stoneham and The Dell over the years...Crewe produced world class whilst training on a council tip... Not disagreeing but horses for courses....If money allows keep Staplewood...For our Racing horses when the big boys turn up with their ponies.;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Bates Posted 27 May, 2009 Share Posted 27 May, 2009 Why do we need St Mary's? Just get all the games etc moved to Staplewood, be cheaper to run and we could make lots of new Walcotts and Bales, I can see them all now coming off the convey about, could try and make 5 an hour. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 27 May, 2009 Share Posted 27 May, 2009 IMO it's a luxury and any benefit is outweighed by the fact that it turns the players into pussies. Football matches are played in all weather conditions, training should be the same. Doing keepie-upies in a nice warm dome is not going to prepare you for a boggy Hartlepool on a wet November evening. Sell Staplewood and make the weeds train down Shirley rec. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ottery st mary Posted 27 May, 2009 Share Posted 27 May, 2009 IMO it's a luxury and any benefit is outweighed by the fact that it turns the players into pussies. Football matches are played in all weather conditions, training should be the same. Doing keepie-upies in a nice warm dome is not going to prepare you for a boggy Hartlepool on a wet November evening. Sell Staplewood and make the weeds train down Shirley rec. Merry Oak on a wet soggy day might be better preparation for what is to come. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Give it to Ron Posted 27 May, 2009 Share Posted 27 May, 2009 We need Staplewood to attract up and coming youngsters to join Southampton and not the lot down the M27. Portsmouth have spent quite a bit in recent times vamping up their academy side. The benefits of Staplewood and a good academy have born the fruit in recent seasons. We would of folded earlier without the Bale and Walcott money. We are now at even bigger disadvantage to other clubs in the area that can offer a higher standard of football...the one thing that we can attract kids is to our facilities. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedAndWhite91 Posted 27 May, 2009 Share Posted 27 May, 2009 It could make it more appealing to an investor who has ambitions which stretch far beyond the realistic, but I do agree, players should train in the rain, footballers are becoming more pansy. Man up boys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oxfordshire_saint Posted 27 May, 2009 Share Posted 27 May, 2009 Train permanently at St Mary's??? How many other clubs train permanently at their stadium? I'm going for a guess at 0. Even Blue Square clubs don't do that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted 27 May, 2009 Share Posted 27 May, 2009 Hate to say it but football has actually moved on since then. Okay we might do okay in League 1 without decent training facilities but if we want to move back up the pyramid a facility such as Staplewood is a must. Why? Decent coaches are more necessary than 'state of the art' facilities. Watch Man Utd and Chelsea train and you will still see cones on the training pitch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ex Ringwood Saint Posted 27 May, 2009 Share Posted 27 May, 2009 Why do we need St Mary's? Just get all the games etc moved to Staplewood, be cheaper to run and we could make lots of new Walcotts and Bales, I can see them all now coming off the convey about, could try and make 5 an hour. Ha! Was just thinking the same thing.. couple of temporary stands for the fans and their dogs, and we are ready for league one at our start of the art facility... Can turn St Mary' s into an ice rink then.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kpturner Posted 27 May, 2009 Share Posted 27 May, 2009 We can use it for gigs. I wanna see DJ Talent down there. "I say talent, you say talent, I say talent, its a DJ Talent" Awesome stuff. I'm gonna get an infraction now aren't I? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sotonist Posted 27 May, 2009 Share Posted 27 May, 2009 Surely the Walcott and Bale deals disprove that theory. There's likely to be one or two more -if we see Dyer, Lallana and Surman leave in the summer. The fact that bad management on the Boards behalf had squanderd the profits doesn't negate the fact that concentrating on youth does " pay-off ". It looks a bit doubtful asa League 1 team, but when we go back up those type of facilities would be priceless. Playing every match at SMS and training there too, would totalyy destroy the playing surface in one season. I think the rolleyes indicates some measure of sarcasm in the post you are replying to. But yes, having state of the art facilities probably had something to do with our being able to attract Walcott and Bale to the club. More to do with people like Malcolm Elias though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank's cousin Posted 27 May, 2009 Share Posted 27 May, 2009 Also the lower down the leagues we are te less attractive we become for parents and kids who teh scouts have identified - yet things such as teh Academy set up the facilities adn the history of players such as bales and Walcott going on does influence things - so yes we do need Staplewood both for firts team AND teh academy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 27 May, 2009 Share Posted 27 May, 2009 Why do we need St Mary's? Just get all the games etc moved to Staplewood, be cheaper to run and we could make lots of new Walcotts and Bales, I can see them all now coming off the convey about, could try and make 5 an hour. Of course, we DON'T need St.Mary's - at least, not 365 days a year. YES we need a home stadium....but for what....... 23 Home games + assorted cup / reserves games, occasional charity / international games = 30 days a year . Let Council (or some suitable entreprenuer)take care of it, and hire it out to Saints when needed, and to others as -and - when required. Man.City use a big council-owned stadium - why not ? A lot of extra costs that can be better utilised elsewhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ponty Posted 27 May, 2009 Share Posted 27 May, 2009 Why do we need St Mary's? Just get all the games etc moved to Staplewood, be cheaper to run and we could make lots of new Walcotts and Bales, I can see them all now coming off the convey about, could try and make 5 an hour. It that supposed to be "conveyor belt"? That's brilliant! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 27 May, 2009 Share Posted 27 May, 2009 Saints produced many great players whilst training at Stoneham and The Dell over the years...Crewe produced world class whilst training on a council tip... Not disagreeing but horses for courses....If money allows keep Staplewood...For our Racing horses when the big boys turn up with their ponies.;-) Crewe don't appear to be getting the same quality of player through the doors now that other clubs have equal if not better youth development schemes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
70's Mike Posted 27 May, 2009 Share Posted 27 May, 2009 Without it we would lose our Academy status , that was one of the reasons the skates are desparate to get their own training facilty , the FA threatened to remove their status without a firm committment that the new facility in Lee on Solent would be built Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ottery st mary Posted 27 May, 2009 Share Posted 27 May, 2009 Crewe don't appear to be getting the same quality of player through the doors now that other clubs have equal if not better youth development schemes. Have they been taking advice off Woodward and Clifford lately and moved inside to a big dome:D To be honest Gradi has taken a back seat with the yuf...not the same anymore. Alot of these things go in cycles and down to people like Elias, Stroud and the like.....Obviously talent on your doorstep or arriving....Luck maybe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
70's Mike Posted 27 May, 2009 Share Posted 27 May, 2009 Crewe don't appear to be getting the same quality of player through the doors now that other clubs have equal if not better youth development schemes. think that all changed once money started changing hands at silly amounts for young players. i have always said that the quality of our academy will drop if we spend to long out of the top flight, parents believe their kids are the best and do not look at where they may get first team football at an early age. Chelse before Crewe is the way it works Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maddog Posted 27 May, 2009 Share Posted 27 May, 2009 stupid post - of course we shouldnt get rid of it, its a benefit so keep it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redbul Posted 27 May, 2009 Share Posted 27 May, 2009 Strongly disagree. We are in league 1 but I hope that our ambitions are greater than that. It is a good training ground and should be retained as it can only benefit the club with its coaching facilities Strongly agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SW11_Saint Posted 27 May, 2009 Share Posted 27 May, 2009 Admins - can we award a "Stupid Thread/Post of the week" award please? Honestly, what a waste of everyone's time. PS I've also thought why do we need "kits" - why can't our players just dress in vest and pants...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 27 May, 2009 Share Posted 27 May, 2009 Absolutely, our state of the art training faciliites clearly have had little or no effect on our ability to bring through talented youngsters and flog them at a massive profit to Prem clubs, let's get rid of the whole shebang. Surely the Walcott and Bale deals disprove that theory. There's likely to be one or two more -if we see Dyer, Lallana and Surman leave in the summer. The fact that bad management on the Boards behalf had squanderd the profits doesn't negate the fact that concentrating on youth does " pay-off ". It looks a bit doubtful asa League 1 team, but when we go back up those type of facilities would be priceless. Playing every match at SMS and training there too, would totalyy destroy the playing surface in one season. I think the rolleyes indicates some measure of sarcasm in the post you are replying to. But yes, having state of the art facilities probably had something to do with our being able to attract Walcott and Bale to the club. More to do with people like Malcolm Elias though. A MASSIVE amount of sarcasm. Now we've slid down the Football League, having an attractive setup with experienced coaches is even more important to getting talented kids. Someone had to recruit the likes of Bale, Walcott and Baird and they had to decide Saints was where to be in the first place (within the boundaries of the FA's restrictive rules on youngster recruitment). The Skates train at Welly, which, having used it at Uni a few years back literally IS basically just a few fields and some changing rooms (I'm not sure if they have use of the astropitch). Their youth set up is barely recovering from being a joke in preparation for them moving to new facilities and few if any of their players have come through the setup. You need the raw talent, the coaches, the equipment, the nous AND the status to get the best players into the Academy and out the other end. We've done well, and flogging that off to make money in the short term is patently a false economy, as it severely impacts on the ability to make millions from the, erm, "convey about" a few years later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Bates Posted 27 May, 2009 Share Posted 27 May, 2009 It that supposed to be "conveyor belt"? That's brilliant! pmsl i'm a dumbass Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 27 May, 2009 Share Posted 27 May, 2009 A MASSIVE amount of sarcasm. Now we've slid down the Football League, having an attractive setup with experienced coaches is even more important to getting talented kids. Someone had to recruit the likes of Bale, Walcott and Baird and they had to decide Saints was where to be in the first place (within the boundaries of the FA's restrictive rules on youngster recruitment). The Skates train at Welly, which, having used it at Uni a few years back literally IS basically just a few fields and some changing rooms (I'm not sure if they have use of the astropitch). Their youth set up is barely recovering from being a joke in preparation for them moving to new facilities and few if any of their players have come through the setup. You need the raw talent, the coaches, the equipment, the nous AND the status to get the best players into the Academy and out the other end. We've done well, and flogging that off to make money in the short term is patently a false economy, as it severely impacts on the ability to make millions from the, erm, "convey about" a few years later. Getting rid of Staplewood might depend on whether or not you plan to spend the next 10 years in league 1..? I think a lot of people feel that we will be on the way back up very soon - in which case we need to keep the facility. Bit like selling your house because you lost your job..do you expect to find new work ......or are you planning for bankruptcy ?. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted 27 May, 2009 Share Posted 27 May, 2009 A MASSIVE amount of sarcasm. Now we've slid down the Football League, having an attractive setup with experienced coaches is even more important to getting talented kids. Someone had to recruit the likes of Bale, Walcott and Baird and they had to decide Saints was where to be in the first place (within the boundaries of the FA's restrictive rules on youngster recruitment). The Skates train at Welly, which, having used it at Uni a few years back literally IS basically just a few fields and some changing rooms (I'm not sure if they have use of the astropitch). Their youth set up is barely recovering from being a joke in preparation for them moving to new facilities and few if any of their players have come through the setup. You need the raw talent, the coaches, the equipment, the nous AND the status to get the best players into the Academy and out the other end. We've done well, and flogging that off to make money in the short term is patently a false economy, as it severely impacts on the ability to make millions from the, erm, "convey about" a few years later. Decent kids aren't going to come here now. We are in the third division. Having a posh training centre when we can't afford to keep players is a false economy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted 27 May, 2009 Share Posted 27 May, 2009 That said, if new owners can finance the team then I would like to see us keep Staplewood. Otherwise, our priorities need to be looked at. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
um pahars Posted 27 May, 2009 Share Posted 27 May, 2009 Such an overused term. Southampton's training facilities are FAR from "state of the art". Some Prem clubs have spent £30 million + on training facilities. Yes, Saints training facilities are good, but the term "state of the art" means they are an industry leader which in this case they clearly aren't Have to agree. For too long people have perpetuated this myth that our set up over at Staplewood is /was up there with the best, when the simple facts are that it is average (at best). Certainly better than some, but light years behind what some clubs have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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