CB Fry

So our two posters who revelled in the fact we limped out of the cup by mocking other fans for being disappointed minutes after the final whistle are having a pop at me. Bless your lickle trolling hearts.

I am amazed that such a scholar of nuance and interminably long forum posts such as you still needs little old me to explain my posts to him. Tell you what Les, get Frank to explain it to you: he'll give you a snappy 800 word reply, perfect for your oh - so - long attention span. Anyway, clearly progress with you today. At least you do accept people saying exactly what I said they did, despite you suggesting no one did only a couple of posts before. Apology accepted. And back on topic. Ambition is great. Top ten for the next ten years is massive ambition. I doubt we'll achieve it, but I'd love to see us try, especially as it will give us a platform to go for cups and Europe. Ambition. Right there. Us being a Champions League club and turning over the established order of world football (or whatever Lord Nuance of Subtleshire was droning on about) is not ambition. Just infantile day dreaming. It was never going to happen and it isn't happening. Those of us with the attention span and savvy enough to see beyond a couple of quotes on a Sky Sports interview could see that clear as day. You want to pay more attention sunshine....forget revelling in nuance and give the big picture a try.

Don't worry. Dalek never means anything he ever posts anyway. He's simply a rib - tickling hilarious comedy troll. Hang about and he'll do his "we're sleepwalking to relegation" routine. Oh, he's just so funny I nearly wet myself.

Thank God it's all the players' fault. I was starting to think he was just a pis spoor manager but clearly this has set me straight.

So 8th in the Prem - something our club has done a grand total of zero fu cking times in the last decade - is not success to you. It is to me matey. And presumably the aspiration for Saints for you next year is for us to win the league and both cups, yes? Or are you applying arbitrary glass ceilings on your "possibilty" routine? But yours - some vague undefined non commital (Frank classic) success - is right, but mine: top ten every season and try and get to Wembley and Europa League - is wrong?

What seems to have gone over your head is the fact that Frank uses layer upon layer of equivocal "...but on the other hand" vagueness in every 300 word arse aching post he writes. I'm trying to cut through and get what his actual point is. Frank doesn't do "nuance", just have it all ways nothingness. And if you seriously believe no one on this forum has ever used the line of argument that "Cortese took us up two divisions, so why can't he take into the Champions league? " or "well, noone would have believed four years ago that we would have....so why can't we believe that..." a heck of a lot of this forum has gone over your head, sunshine. Flip me, you even quote captain nuance saying it. "You could be forgiven for believing. .." It's all going over your head, sweetheart.

This is a lovely idea. Unfortunately, Saints fans won't consider it until Man City fans have sung it about a different player. And will need to be on Sky Sports for at least three years before the Northam crack on with their version. Which will still manage to be awful.

Frank saying something intelligent? Where's that then? Just a reheat of the age old "Cortese got us from League 1 to the Premier League therefore he would have delivered Champions League because everything he promised he delivered". Well that was painfully obvious nonsense eighteen months ago when me and others said it won't pan out like that. Of course I get accused of trolling but look around you. I was right. And tell you what son. I'll carry on supporting Saints whatever the hell happens, I don't need some capital letter IF demanding success like a toddler screaming for a lollypop. What IF the club don't "continue to be successful"? What then? Will you cry? Boo hoo.

Is the big picture the fact that we were never going to crack the Champions League in a 50,000 seat stadium but utter saps like you lapped it up? That big picture? Boo hoo. Boo hoo. A chief executive walks out on the football club he worked at. Boo hoo. Keep sobbing.

"Not a penny more than £35 million", Frankie? Chicken feed. Let's get these Swiss parasites out of the club then. Just remember who effing well owns us.

He's at the biggest club in the world as the world's most expensive ever footballer. But still people on here say he'd have been better off staying at Saints for another season. Got to love this forum.

Don't worry. Saints Fan CaM is well known for providing proof for stuff, so he'll be able to come up with evidence to support his claims. It's not like he will come up with a lame excuse why he can't prove it.

You want proof that the Leibherr family own the club and bankrolled it into the Premier League? Are you actually fourteen years old? Maybe you can tell us how much money Cortese "wonderfully bestowed" on us. Because you have some form of proof, right? Round it to the nearest million if you like. Come on, spill the beans. I bet you'll have some lame excuse why you can't prove a thing. Think back. Did the Leibherr family own us when we bought Lovren or not? "Boo hoo. Boo hoo. Boo hoo. A chief executive has left my football club. Boo hoo. Boo hoo." Think a bit harder before you accuse other fans of being pathetic. Because your blubbing is as lame as it gets.

KL's "interference" allowed us to buy the likes of Lovren, you ungrateful fool. Cult of Cortese living on I see.

Get behind the lads FFS.

So he has an amazing gift to see "way, way ahead" but utterly incapable of forseeing the owners of the business wouldn't want some level of input and not just let him run it like his own private fiefdom. He walked out.

Okay, so you're fine that red kits are also boring and unoriginal. Great.

You think about it. You're just using your own interpretations of the words. You've decided "popular" is something fans would like that you like, while you've wheeled out "populist" as a perjoritive term to mean something fans would like that you don't like. The actual semantic difference between the two words in this scenario is totally negligible. Happy to help.

How the holy mother of f uck do we stand out in a plain red kit?

The very fact he used the media to ramp up his Champions League hype just when he realised the money was running out (ie just after his summer hissy fit) shows me he is the opposite of what you say. His primary "ideal" seemed to be "spend as much of the dead guys money to pursue a dream". His vision on the academy was and is the right one but frankly not that revolutionary. Middlesborough doing it a decade back and had a European final to show for it. Cortese's revolution has got us no further than Lowes. He didn't waste the money. That's to his credit.

Cortese was thinking so "way ahead" he quit halfway through his second season in the top flight? A little "short sighted" to use your words, no? And you accuse others of writing drivel.

You definitely can't. Anyway, you have contradicted yourself.

Looks like you've been "institutionalised" by the Cortese "mantra" that we were going to qualify for the Champions League with a team of academy kids. Just to confirm: total number of glass ceilings, preconceptions and established views challenged successfully: zero.

I'm okay with it, Hypo. Eighth is lovely for me - there is no next level for us from here, unless we have some kind of miracle season, which I can't see happening. Newcastle did it a couple of seasons back, but even they are a significantly bigger club than we are anyway and couldn't maintain it in the following season. Burley's Ipswich or Sam Allardyce with Bolton are the only other comparable recent examples, but still have to go back a decade or more. Big Sam getting Bolton to 7th (twice), 8th and 6th in four concecutive seasons now seems utterly impossible for any club outside the current top six to achieve these days. Eighth to fourteenth in any given Prem season sounds just dandy for me for the next few years, and I think folk on here are too quick to underestimate what an achievement that would be. The only thing we should be finding space for is a few decent runs in the cups, of course...but I think we all know where we all stand on that now.

The Stanley Cup?