Micky

Do you know what these milestones are? Did you make the May 11 one up? At the end of the day we have all heard of the '5 year plan', which is to reach the promised land within that timescale - that is the ultimate goal. Whose to say that we dont spend another 3 years in this league and then achieve the goal with btb promotions? Job done - but unfortunately most of us won't have stuck with the 5 year plan, another manager will be in place given another 18 months, bringing in his new staff, buying the players he fancies, blah blah blah - have we done this a number of times before...? Nothing wrong with ambition at all, nor realistic milestones either - but nothing, absolutely nothing in this game is guaranteed - and we should all be aware of that.

I sincerely hope you are correct - personally I think this season it's a big ask. If we do manage to get in there we could win the lottery - honestly I don't think that we will. That makes next season very, very big - everybody will be expecting nothing less than promotion one way or another - won't they? What if AP and the team don't deliver? Where are we then with the 5 year plan? Don't get me wrong - I would like to stay with it, so long as improvement is shown season upon season. I wonder if those expecting 'instant' will stay with the management and team as well though?

We all want it - we all crave it - the bottom line is so does every other club that plays in the league - therefore we can't all have it. Nobodys sneering - simply pointing out that success (promotion, playoffs) may not be 'instant'. We may have to sit a while, consolidate and build a team to deliver promotion. Other teams have been here, probably thought it would be easy to get out and have taken longer than they would have liked - we are no different. Yes I want success, yes I crave it as badly as the next fan - it's just that I'm realistic enough to realise that (irrespective of the club / party line) it may take longer than most on here seem to think. Yesterday - we without doubt dropped 2 points. When you have three points in your pocket in injury time you shut up shop - you win the game and become sucessful - we didn't do that, we were not sucessful.

I'm not going to sneer at any of them, they all do a great job. But think subjectively about it - what do all clubs want - instant success. How many prizes are there, eeerr not enough to go around. The bottom line is that not every club is going to get instant success - how long have Leeds been here, how long did Forest spend here? Many good clubs have played at this level - there is no shame here. I'm not the one expecting (or even demanding in some cases) instant success, although I would expect improvement season upon season. By your working - AP has between 6 - 12 months to deliver before we get back on the good old 'manager merry go round' to find the next candidate. Hey - but no matter, that has served us well over the past 5 years or so, no need to change now huh. No need for me to worry about it either eh - me, I'll just get over it, in time.

Sorry - for what to happen...?

Really funny thread - I love it. Instant Success - does that like come in a sachet, which you pour into a bowl, add milk and whisk rigorously? Modern professional football (or any sport for that matter) is all about stating your ambition and aiming high - especially when you are talking to your boss or your customers. So the fact that NC and AP have targetted high stakes is hardly surprising. But whether they really expect to achieve them is a different matter. Can't wait until the end of next season to see the meltdown here if we are still in this division.

How funny is this... people actually believe that he resigned, really, of his own free will. Talk about gullible in the extreme. If his record is 4 points from 9 in his first 3 games at the club - thats not half bad either. Check out a certain Mr Strachans record - nobody appears to be calling for his head yet. The manager is the fall guy in this game, always has been and probably always will be - but sometimes, when you get rid of the people at the top things change for the better - let's face it, we know that for a fact. Sometimes you reap what you sow - perhaps those at LR should beware.

I think you might have missed a subtle point that influenced.com was making there actually...!

No slagging from me - I've got one too, does everything that I need it too (and more), easy to configure, battery life is good, sits happily on my home wireless network with 'Fring' (Skype) - works well. If any slight grumble - it's a slightly 'fat' phone, other than that its great.

I was going to say 'you couldn't make it up', but quite patently, he does...!!!

Don't know what his record was there, but FFS, what the hell is going on in English football. What was he meant to achieve in a month? If I remember rightly WGS took some time to get things going here, and look where that led. I hope he finds another club somewhere, is successful and able to stick two fingers up at QPR.

May have some legs. Other posters who appear to know the lady in question are saying that she has posted before and her sources and information has been good - wouldn't right this one off out of hand.

Ahhhh nice, three pages of speculation on, well, errr, not sure, but as far as I can tell, he's a footballer (although personally I think the Yeti might still come through). Another day at TSF....!!!

Ditto...

Yep - let's go with it then. So we merge with PFC. Lets go back to Everton and Liverpool. Then the two Manchester Clubs, just to keep things interesting. Tell you what - lets go the whole hog down in London with Spud, Chelski and Arsenal forming Chelarse Hotspurs - a real powerhouse of the EPL. Meanwhile those well know midland mates of Birmaston Villa are creeping up the league and looking for a European cup place. It's interesting in as much as you can make silly names from many teams - but lets leave it there...!!!

I can't believe that you posted that, because evidently nobody did take it seriously.

Never have I read such a load of drivel in all my life. I feel cheated of the 2 minutes it took me to read the OP and subsequent comments - you owe me two minutes of life, I want it back. Oh BTW I've also heard that Liverpool and Everton will merge next year - honest.

Damn, I've just been on that page and got this gem: Bad news for all United fans, Rooney is on his way out in the summer. If you havent noticed SAF is already looking for a player to replace Rooney, who plays the same sort of striking role, and that player is Hulk. SAF has been offered 60M plus benzema by Real Madrid. Expect to see SAF take this offer and use the 60M to sign a top class midfielder (Silva). So next years striking partnership will be Hulk and Benzema. You heard it here first, Pagey You've got to love it really though, ain't ya...!

I think the guy at Bournemouth did the same as LifeLongSaint was getting his 15 mins of fame - it's not a new one. Some would say 'better the devil you know', but in this particular case I dont think so...!

Ummm loony enough to think that Leeds would have any chance at OT as well. Now lets think - who's the loon...???

Extract from ITV Website : TV Guide Today on ITV1 from 4:00pm to 6:30pm FA Cup Live: West Ham v ArsenalITV1West Ham will relish the chance to take on Arsenal in this all-London, all-Premier League FA Cup third round clash. The clubs have already met once this season, with the Hammers fighting back from two goals down to rescue a point in a dramatic match at Upton Park. And with no silverware in recent years, Arsene Wenger's Gunners will be looking to take a firm step towards Wembley in May. Presented by Matt Smith, with commentary from Peter Drury. Following the match, there is live coverage of the draw for the fourth round. HTH.

Exactly. Tis all very well laughing our coks off at the Blue Few down the road - but look more closely at football in general. Pompey, West Ham, Hull, Watford, Cardiff plus others that I have probably missed - all in the shyte, to put it bluntly. Funny though it may be - you have to ask yourself, where will it all end - once Pompey have been erased from the footballing calender, who shall we bay for next, Bournemouth, then who, B&HA perhaps. More to the point - when will our time come, when do we cease to exist - will we all have a jolly good chuckle about that, what the hell, it was good while it lasted..! Dave Whelan was right when, a couple of years ago, he prophocised that an English Premier League club could cease to exist because of the dynamics of the PL - shouldn't be too long before he can say 'I told you so'. Phil is right - the bodies that oversee English football need to take a long hard look at the way in which it continues to run, largely on 'substainable debt' (never never) and now by 'faceless' owners. The problem as I see it is that the suits at the FAPL do 'very very well thank you' from the finances generated from the product - and so are not keen to rock the boat. Perhaps they are willing to let all small clubs go to the wall so long as the big four prop up thier investment. A bit like the superstores putting the 'family run' and 'market stalls' out of business - sad sad state of football today.

Stoke at home - winnable game with some old boys coming back too...!

I think they should be allowed to march through the streets. I think that the residents of WB should close up for the day and desert the streets. I think the media should totally ignore the protest and write / broadcast nothing.

Perhaps I should have just rested my case and let PES tell it how it is. But you obviously misread or misunderstood my original post. The point that I made was that the fans wouldn't particularly care about how success was achieved - they wouldn't have had thier eye on the Boardroom - they were enjoying Premiership football and winning the FA Cup. Thus - I think that we actually agree with each other..? If you're saying that we (or any other fans for that matter) would have been different in the same circumstances then I would totally disagree. Fans come to see success on the pitch and if that is delivered then they probably don't give two thoughts to what is happening in the Boardroom. Perhaps I am just a bad fan though or I have moral issues that I should address.