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I think that is patently obvious. The extremes which the leading Tories are going to in order to pander to the right wing fantasies of the Conservative membership are quite hilarious. There is "The saj" (his own description of himself) who cracks down on and makes a big story out of the dozen illegal immigrants who crossed the Channel around Christmas. There is Gavin Williamson making bellicose comments about using his yet to be commissioned aircraft carrier against China. Jeremy Hunt is all of a sudden voting with the hard-core Brexiteers despite having been a leading Remainer during the referendum. Boris, Davis , Gove and even that intellectual Mcvey all fancy their chances of becoming leader and are pandering to the right wing gallery. It just needs Failing Grayling to throw his hat in the ring and all the incompetents will be there together. In normal circumstances the electorate would give this lot a huge thumbs down at the next election. With the Labour party however in its current state , under its current leader and unable to capitalise on Tory divisions the scary prospect is that one of the Tory incompetents could end up as PM.

It's the last time I'll ask - we can all see that you have no idea why you don't like the "worst deal in our history". I think that you will find that this was the phrase that came out of Wes's Random phrase generator at the time he was writing. Little logic behind it - just hyperbole.

No . Labour will continue in opposition. Tribal loyalties will ensure that they still exist but they will never be in power with the likes of Corbyn as their leader. It is what makes the thought of a General Election so unappealing to those with views in the centre / centre right of politics. The choice of government is between a Little Englander Tory party hell bent on an economic policy which will cause untold damage to the country or an economically illiterate party of loons who couldn't decide to make a cup of tea without taking a succession of votes on the pros and cons of tea making. I guess this is why the TIG got going. FPTP however may well cause TIG to disappear.

You keep banging on about a "seismic" (your phrase not mine) change going to happen in British politics but I think you are wrong: 1. You overestimate the importance of Brexit. You are quite clearly turned on by the subject but you are in a minority. Surely even you have heard friends saying how bored they are of Brexit. It is customary now for television and radio presenters to apologise for mentioning "The B word". It is not as important to most people as it is to youn 2. I am fully aware of the tide of populism in Europe - much of it in countries with a short lived democratic history. Tribal loyalties and historic links have embedded the 2 party system in the British psyche much deeper than you think. Remind me again how many parliamentary elections has Farage stood in and how many has he won? At the end of the day when it comes to a General Election the majority return to the safety of voting for the main 2 parties. 3. Any populist movement in the UK will somehow have to cope with the FPTP system. There may well be a lot of huff and puff about breaking the mould of politics but it is almost impossible with FPTP. How many votes did UKIP win in the 2015 GE and how many parliamentary seats did they win ?? It seems from your posts that you like the thought of populism taking off in Britain. You are going to be disappointed.

Wes doesn't seem to realise that UKIP version 2019 is nothing like the UKIP of 2015. Under the current leader Batten and his advisor Yaxeley Lennon they are little more than a BNP style racist party. Last week he was all over the place on this issue and clearly still hasn't cottoned on to why Farage, Nuttall and Coburn have all left. As for JJ.... well he only believes something if it appears on some alt right website.

I agree entirely. It smelt bad right from the start and only the naively gullible would want to make it an issue and alter the mood created by Saturday's result.

Corrected for you.

Very good. I have been there on countless occasions with Saints. There for the grace of God ......

Very true.... but you have to remember that some of the people who post on the match thread have some (let's call it) "unusual" views.

Exactly. Why didn't the stewards evict the offenders rather than move the journalist ? Presumably other people heard and were offended by the comments . Were they moved as well? As anyone who reads the OP's posts on the EU thread in the Lounge would testify , the OP has history for believing "whacky" stories that he finds on the internet.

I think not . Don't know what you were watching.

Pickford has really gone off the boil since the world cup. There is surely no way that he is still England's No. 1. He was all at sea today and was fortunate to stay on the pitch after taking out Rondon. Everton as a whole were atrocious. Losing to Newcastle after taking a 2 goal lead must surely put more pressure on Silva

Whoops. The random phrase generator is going into overdrive here. Looks like it is overheating.

.... but to put it into context the Euro at a 21 month low is still 14% higher against GBP than it was on the day of the referendum vote.

This is turning into quite a surreal, double facepalm moment. I try to understand what Wes Tender has been saying over his last few posts but quite frankly it is not easy. I started this exchange of views by making an observation about comments made by the horrible, nasty bloke about the ex Labour MP Fiona Onasanya and how he bigged up the views of the UKIP leader. Wes's Brexit obsession, which he refuses to accept, makes that a post about Brexit ("all {my} posts on this thread are about Brexit ") . Eh ?? Where is there a Brexit connection with Onasanya ?? His posts bring in loads of non sequiturs about the Independent Group, Corbyn and Marxism and claim that the Gerald Batten / Tommy Robinson anti Islam UKIP party has a moderate wing. He knows an awful lot about horrible,nasty bloke and thinks he is reasonable ... but apparently he is not a kipper. It is almost as if a random phrase generator makes up what he writes. Funnily enough more than one of his posts end with child like threats about a potential "seismic" event in British politics if Brexit fails. To get back to the basics … I believe that UKIP these days is a horrible, nasty anti Islamic party of bigots. Unlike major political parties it is not a broad church of people with similar but differing opinions. Don't have to take my word for it - spend 5 minutes googling the recent comments by the likes of Farage, Coburn and Nuttall about Batten's UKIP. The normal,decent people are giving way to the anti Islamic Tommy Robinson types. If you don't believe me spend a few minutes googling the recent change in UKIP membership since it became an anti Islamic party. Anybody who quotes Gerald Batten as if he is a political guru , who according to Wes is still a UKIP councillor and who has not left the right wing extremist party deserves to be called horrible and nasty.

No comprehension failure on my part although there is clearly one on yours.You fail to understand that politics is not just about Brexit. I would not call a Brexit leaver nasty and horrible just believe they are leavers. I do not consider you to be nasty and horrible just because you support Brexit. I do abhor apologists for Batten and his advisor Yaxeley Lennon like this bloke. Do you understand now ??? I notice that you haven't answered whether you support the views of Batten's advisor Yaxeley Lennon and the current direction of UKIP . Do you ?

What don't I like about him ?? I told you above - he is an apologist for UKIP leader Gerald Batten quoting him and his demands over Fiona Onasanya as if he was some sort of political guru and not the leader of an extreme right wing nasty little party. Any party leader that requires the advice of Yaxeley Lennon is beneath contempt and the same goes for his supporters. Don't just take my word for it. Farage , Evans and others are leaving the party because they recognise that UKIP is no longer just a pro Brexit party. I disliked this bloke's Brexit views but I did not abhor him because of those. I called him nasty and horrible because of his clear admiration of Batten. Your trouble is that you are so obsessed by Brexit that you see everything in terms of Brexit. You have lost all sense of proportion. The sheer number of your posts on this thread demonstrates your obsession. This , I suspect, is why Sherlock, Jeff and others so easily rinse you on the topic of Brexit. From time to time you take a break from this thread - I wonder if that is due to medical advice. It cannot be good for your blood pressure to be so obsessed on discussing Brexit with football fans on a footie forum.

I guess that you are right. I don't care how many grandchildren he has I consider the political beliefs of any bloke who is an apologist for Gerald Batten and the current incarnation of UKIP to be abhorrent. Do you also support the beliefs of Batten's adviser Yaxeley - Lennon aka Tommy Robinson? It is no longer a question of differing views on Brexit. The fact that Farage, Suzanne Evans and many others have now left UKIP demonstrates that it now represents a nasty right wing faction way beyond Brexit. I am surprised that you support them.

What a horrible nasty bloke. Sums up the Tommy Robinson dominated UKIP these days when it is now too extreme for even Farage. It is quite funny that people believe this trash. Perhaps the funniest bit is when horrible nasty bloke states that UKIP's leader wants the ex Labour MP Fiona Onasanya to be subject to a recall petition. Wow !! Gerald Batten wants a recall !! The fact that the Speaker John Bercow and the Labour party also want a recall has missed horrible nasty bloke completely. I think that Bercow and the Labour party have more clout than the leader of a racist group of nutters which is UKIP these days.

Their second goal would also have been ruled out for offside with VAR. Amazing to think that if that game had been played next season (or whenever it is that VAR comes in) we could well have won 3 or 4 -2.

Very amusing. Apparently Klopp was match fixing by bringing on Lallana. Lol. He has been paid £12 million in wages since an assist or a goal.

This has got a familiar ring to it. It is the fourth time we have lost 3 2 to Man United since we were promoted. Each time we have played well but have just lacked something and have ended up bemoaning our luck. I do hate playing them.

Agree with all that. Expected to lose but now gutted that we got nothing from that game.

I don't think the song is that new. I heard a few lads singing it a season or 2 back when he wasn't even a regular in the team. Think it could have been at West Brom.

When GM's glorious day arrives and the traitors and Quislings get "what they deserve" we will just have to hope that Grayling is in charge of the piano wire. He would probably end up hanging himself