Lord Duckhunter

Where do they stand on upgrading Season tickets, as they're not meant to be transferable. I know it's a long way off, but I'm away for the first game of the season.If it's a home game my older boy (23) could use my nippers (14) S/T. Do they allow that?

Peter Hitchens was on TV the other day saying much the same. He said we are witnessing national decline rather than a down period in the economic cycle.

You're right, it should be spontaneous. I always remember going to the Sheff Utd game and my nipper asked me if I would be on the pitch if we stayed up. "On the pitch, not bloody likely" I told him "I've seen us in cup finals, in Europe, in the top flight for 30 years, if you think I'm running on the pitch because we stayed out of Div 3, no way". Come the final whistle and I'm off, straight on the pitch jumping around, close to tears, whilst my 10 year old sits in the stand embarrassed by his Dad.

I accept what you're saying, but some pundits and papers seem to have selective memory. I don't recall such a circus over Defoe biting Mascherano, so this is clearly down to the individual and the fact it was Suarez. What I find hard to understand is that Terry got 4 games for racial abuse and he got 8, Defoe got a yellow and he got 10 games. It's not easy to defend someone as ignorant and unpleasant as Suarez, however the FA have shown a complete and utter lack of consistency so I can quite understand why Liverpool supporters are unhappy about the punishment. You can be appalled by the offense and still think the punishment is wrong.

I bet the BBC Newsnight team are desperately grubbing around for another lead story for tonight.

A pitch invasion if we're already safe is mickey mouse behaviour. lap of honour, much more classy and appropriate.

And my point is that Saints fans sang songs about BWP and that "incident". Liverpool fans are no different than supporters of every club, one eyed and willing to forgive most things that their players have done. We seem to have forgiven a bit of spot fixing from one of our greats. Yes, the Hillsborough stuff makes the club slightly different, but I'm pretty sure had 96 Saints fans died in one of our 80's semi finals we'd want to get to the bottom of the cover up. Are you seriously trying to say that had Rickie Lambert done the same thing as Suarez (unlikely, but then Defoe did it), our supporters would be any different? No chance, it'll be exactly the same.

Raphael Honigstein's just been on Talksport. He said that Dortmund and Bayern were good sides and Schalke decent, but he said the rest of the league were very poor.

Bit like Saints fans were over BWP?

How difficult is it to grasp the unfairness of one player getting a yellow card and one player getting a 10 game ban, for exactly the same offense. The Defoe case was not considered on it's merits, the FA deemed that biting did not come under their exceptional circumstances rule and therefore the ref's decision stood. Surely you can see the unfairness in that, compared to the exceptional circumstance that led to a 10 game ban, rather than the standard 3. I'm pretty sure people on here would if, it was a Southampton player whose punishment was so much greater than a Spurs player.

Let's look at the facts. Defoe bit someone and Suarez bit someone. Dofoe's bite was seen and he was given a yellow card. The FA decided that it was not an exceptional circumstance and therefore did not "re referee" the game and allowed the punishment to stand. Suarez's bite was not seen by the official, so faced a charge. The standard punishment for violent conduct is 3 games, unless exceptional circumstances. My opinion is that biting is either exceptional or it's not. It cant be exceptional for Suarez but not Defoe.

Do you think Defoe got off lightly by only receiving a yellow card and do you believe that had Suarez been give a yellow card the FA would have left it at that? Why did John Terry get 4 games for racial abuse and Suarez 8?

You cant run a sustainable disciplinary regime without taking previous punishments for the same incident into account. How would we feel is Gaston got a 10 game ban and somebody else gets just a yellow card for exactly the same offense. It is a disgusting thing to do, but it's disgusting when an England player does it as well as a foreigner. I can see Suarez getting extra because of past behaviour, but 10 games is well OTT bearing in mind the precedent the FA set with Defoe.

Joke decision. It's not the easiest thing or the easiest player to defend, but the ban is this length because of who he is, plain and simple. Defoe bites someone and gets a yellow card, Suarez gets 10 games. Now I'm sure the FA will point to the rule that because the ref saw it and acted they could not increase Defoe's punishment. However as Ben Thatcher found out, they can act if they consider the act extreme. Now the normal ban for violent conduct is 3 games, unless the conduct is considered extreme. It seems like Defoe's bite was not extreme enough to up grade the yellow, yet Suarez's was extreme enough for an extra 7 games. That's Defoe the England international as opposed to Suarez the smarmy foreigner. The whole thing stinks.

As a season ticket holder I can look at this from quite a neutral position, as I don't need to get involved in a mad rush. That doesn't make me a "better" supporter, just a guy who can arrange work around football and is lucky enough to be able to afford a season ticket. My take on it is that there has to be a bit of common sense used here. Surely a guy who has been to 10 home games should have the option to buy a ticket before a guy who has been to 1. That said, having lived abroad I know how important it is to get to watch your team whenever you can, and that whenever may only be twice a year. What doesn't feel right to me is the club allowing people to purchase lots of tickets in one go and not taking into account transaction history this season. It cant be that hard to sort out, they do it with away tickets. I'm surprised the club didn't link games this season, they could of linked West Ham, West Brom and Stoke and allowed people to buy those 3 together before they went on general sale. I'm sure there would have been tickets on general sale for all 3, but it would allow the "regulars" to guarantee tickets.

But he's making a fool of himself on this thread.

They have a really good idea, the points system, and then after a whole season where people can build up points, just open up the last game tickets to a mad rush. FFS what a bunch of amateurs. Even if you cant go to every game get a S/T. I missed 4 games and managed to sell it on easily. The more demand there is the more a S/T makes sense, there aint going to be many games you wont be able to sell it on.

Mine came last Sat, and they've now mastered the art of sticking the envelope down. That's 2 game running Reading and now Spurs that there hasn't been a cock up with our away tickets, great work from the ticket office...............

Ashley Coleslaw ,Bacary Lasagne

I've just listened to Week in Westminster and I was so impressed with labour MP Simon Danczuk and his views on welfare. Even I would think about voting labour if there were more like him.

Did anyone hear Jamie Redknapp on Sky going on about Rafa? Souness said he's done quite a good job and Jamie said "I'm not so sure, when he joined they were only 4 points behind Man Utd" He joined Chelsea the same week as Twitchy went to QPR, I bet Jamie wont judge daddy's record the same way.

I wouldn't, but plenty of Saints fans would. What makes you think Liverpool supporters are any different than ours?

Most Saints fans would be the same if Lambert tucked into someone (not that he would).

If Pap continues this nonsense, the mods are going to have to move the thread to The Muppet show.

Your claim was it was "on record" that the bombing was an "FBI plot gone wrong". The link you posted is just more conspiracy nonsense. I suppose it's my fault for taking "on the record" to mean some sort of official enquiry , rather than more pony chucked at American law enforcement.