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It's worth noting that one of the reasons Britain and other countries have needed immigrants has been an aging population. Most couples these days do not have more than 2 children, meaning that the aging generation is larger than the young one. Economically that's disastrous as the result is a large non-working, non-earning generation being cared for by a small one and the numbers don't add up. If the "native population" dwindles then the shortfall in working, earning people has to be made up by working immigrants, or else there won't be money in the system for pensions, healthcare etc. Having a large family is one of the biggest contributions you can make towards lowering immigration. (Yes I know about the million holes in all of that and I'm cherry picking parts of an argument on purpose, but there is an interesting point there for the people on this thread who both complain about immigration and complain about the kind of people who have lots of kids too.)

Wrong Those good sensible hard working people are stealing far, far more of your money so that they can live beyond their means than benefit scroungers.

So much complaining about benefits. So little about tax avoidance. Here's some perspective for you. The estimated cost of benefit fraud (Yes, I know we're not just talking about fraud) in 2008 = 12.6 million pounds Estimated cost of tax avoidance 2008 = 25 billion pounds So just stop whinging about benefit claimers, they are not where the money's leaking out of the system.

Well done Pompey! Fantastic result for them in a difficult year. Nice for them to have something to smile about after all their bad luck recently.

I remember a summer holiday many years ago now (when I was a small boy and the summers were long and hot!) when I had a great chance meeting with a Saints legend! To this day some of my mates who i grew up refuse to believe this happened, but my mum can testify to it because she met the chap as well! It was one of those mornings when the sun was burning and you just want to get out there on your bike with your mates and explore the world! When you get your first bike it seems as though the world has incresed in sixe tenfold. places that were far off distant names became close enough for young boys to cycle to. Pack a bottle of squash or lemonade and some biscuits and crisps (the world wasn't so PC in those days and kids could eat **** like that because we played out and cycled everywhere instead of sitting in front of a games console!) and off you go. T-shirts and shorts were the order of the day, no sun cream (it was before the loony PC people made our mothers too scared to send us out!). I remember it was a Sunday and I called round for a friend on my new chopper. He got on his bike (can't remember what it was) and we went round for another friend. Off we set, ready to explore the nearby woods. This was our place of choice. We would dare each other to ride fast across the bumby ground and skid in the mud and leaves! Sometimes we would make ramps with wood that we nicked from our houses. we would lay the wood against a tree stump and see how far we could jump. Anyway, one day we made a great jump and took turns for hours seeing how far and how high we could get. And, as I'm sure you can all picture, the competitive nature of the young boys took over and the ramp got more and more dangerous and we dared each other to jump over broken glass and all sorts. Well, on one of my jumps the bike lost grip and I came off the ramp and fell on the glass. My mats panicked and shot off home leaving me there bleeding from the knee and in tears! I remember it hurt like hell! I picked my sorry little arse up and walked with the chopper back towards home, crying and wimpering along the way. Before I got out of the woods though I heard a voice say "Hey, lad....are you ok". I turned around and who was there.....Keith Cassells. I could not believe my eyes! I told him what had happened and to cut a long story short he put the bike in the back of his car and took me back to my house. Well,as you can imagine, my mum was furious with me for playing so dangerously but was very grateful to Keith (not like today, when he would have been branded a peado). She offered him a cup of tea and he said "No thanks, I must get home". Great days. I'll never forget that.

Well, we know we probably need to win the next 6 in a row, which is possible if unlikely, but now all we need, if we manage that, is for Colchester and Huddersfield to get at least one loss and one draw each. Hopefully they'll draw against each other.

This is a good demonstration of how things can be taken and twisted out of context, here by the Express. You may notice that the original article comes from the Spectator. If you follow it through and look at the original article, that was cherry picked by the Express (the Mail ran a similar scare story without daring to mention their source), you'll see that the person who presented this data does not share Dune's opinion of what it shows, in fact he is in favour of immigration. He is, however, attacking Brown's fudging of the details, which is an entirely different issue. http://www.spectator.co.uk/coffeehouse/5895033/british-jobs-for-british-workers.thtml

As an expat, I'm still allowed to vote in elections fot another 4 years (you get 15 years where you can), but never would as I have no intention of ever moving back so don't feel I should be electing an MP. Do any expats on here vote in British elections?

Not only that, but in Britain you don't vote for a party or it's leader, you vote for a person to become your MP, who can change parties if they wish, does anyone actually base their vote on knowledge of that individual?

...and my point is that, despite what you've swallowed from the Daily Mail, those decisions have nothing to do with being politically correct. They do not have any foundations in the political correctness at all. Somebody in a Daily Mail article blames a stupid decision on political correctness and we immediately get people repeating that this is all the work of the mythical "PC brigade" who, just like the Daily Mail, don't really get what that concept means at all. To be politically correct would absolutely NOT stop somebody wearing a symbol of their faith. Therefore this has nothing to do with being PC, therefore it's pretty daft of the original person to use that phrase and for other people to start parroting it. The very opening sentence proves ignorance, because if you are indeed being politically correct, then you cannot by definition be hypocritical at the same time, as that would automatically make you politically incorrect, showing unfair discrimination. This would be the work of the lesser mentioned non-PC brigade.

Eh? In what way are any of those things even vaguely politically correct? Doesn't being politically correct simply mean not discriminating on unfair grounds? If you don't really understand what PC means, don't just throw it around as a blanket insult for anything you don't agree with. Somebody making a badly informed and ignorant administrative decision has got nothing to do with being politically correct. People even use the phrase "PC gone mad" or PC brigade when talking about health and safety decisions these days. Where's the connection there? That's like blaming racists for traffic congestion.

So some of you paid to go to a pub, despite lots of free ones being named as venues on here beforehand, and now you're complaining that it wasn't worth paying for? Are you all ****ing stupid?

We would have as good a shot at automatic promotion next year as Leeds did this year, so it's pretty much nailed on. Isn't it?

Remember, the more times a rumour is repeated, the more true it becomes, even if the source is still the same. Gullible.

Because they're booing him because of stuff almost entirely made up by the media. That's pretty embarrassing from our own fans.

If there's one thing reading this board should have told us, it's that there are plenty of idiots that will believe any **** the media serve up to them.

I'm sick of hearing StupidRomseySaint's "soft on crime", "be nice to the poor little criminals and give them a big cuddle instead" whining. Everybody knows that they will come down harder on crime at the football, so just don't get involved rather than crying about it afterwards. They knew what they were doing,they knew where they were. They knew there were extra police there for a reason, they knew anyone caught would be made an example of. Dry your eyes and take your punishment, or are they only hard men until they're caught? If you've got the sort of job that you'd lose if you were caught causing trouble at the footie, then don't cause trouble at the footie. Don't whinge about it afterwards and especially don't get your boyfriend to come sobbing about your hard luck story on a message board.

What a load of typical StupidRomseySaint whinging and whining. They did something pretty pathetic, they can man up and take the fairly unsurprising consequence of a ban. Stop being such a ****ing liberal softie.

I am ****ing sick of clearing cat **** out of the garden for half the weekend. I intend to collect it all in a big bucket and dump it all on the doorstep of a cat owning neighbour. The ultrasonic things didn't do a thing for us and it's not possible to spend 24 hours watching the garden with a hose in your hand. Cat **** is very toxic as well, so especially dangerous if you've got small kids who want to play in the garden. I used to like cats, now I ****ing hate them.

If I'm getting this right, the only thing that's being said here is that Cortese is blaming Pardew for the club not doing as well as he would've expected. Yet in the interview he said "We should have done better." Nowhere does he put the blame on Pardew. It could just as easily be said to be pointed at the players. It could be pointed at himself, for not getting things working more smoothly and making Pardew's job easy enough, it could be at Liebherr. It could be a mixture of all of these things. This journalist has taken the word we and treated it as if he said he. Then quite a few people have been taken in by this and agreed with him. Cortese has said he expected more from the club as a whole, he hasn't pointed the finger at anyone.

Terry Jacks would have beaten them at the dips and squat thrusts any day, I think he set the record.

People like you make me sick. Bigoted scum.

I was wondering who people meant when they kept talking about "Ron". It's nice somebody bothered to put his surname. I never saw Ron Ekelund play, but it seems he was a bit of a legend.

Rickie will definitely win then. We can lock this thread now mods.

Thanks for this. I just printed it out in high quality and took it into Ladbrokes and they paid out on it! I'm off to the pub!