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Quite. Someone else raised the issue of the digital single market today - something which is vital for the continued health of the tech industry. Britain wasn't just the co-designer of this, but led the way. It had since resulted in a market and sometimes world lead in many tech sectors (notably fintech). Yet even under May's political agreement, the digital single market is going to be binned. The consequences are already working their way through the industry, with relocations into the EU and falling inward investment.

I hate to break it to you, but intelligence from the EU IC (which still includes MI5 by the way) and you, on a dusty corner of a football forum, are not equivalent. Your predictions are those of a Brexiteer cultist and self-declared racist, who would be ready for...what exactly?...should things not go your way. The intelligence community's predictions are drawn from the UK's own preparations for civil disturbances based on predictions for severe shortages. You have dodged my main point in quoting that article. Would you join me in welcoming the progressive objectives of a united Ireland and an independent Scotland, which the EU predicts may well flow from Brexit?

The issue is why you predicted it. You offered no evidence - indeed, the evidence is that the people who've been doing the fighting on the streets for Brexit are a small bunch of far-right out-theres, some of them with convictions for violence and pedophilia. So a fair reading of your 'prediction' is that it is motivated by a desire for violence should things not go your way. It is certainly consistent with your expressed racist views aimed first at Jews, then Arabs, then brown people in general.

Interesting leaked report from the intelligence services, which does point to some upsides of any Brexit - an independent Scotland and a united Ireland. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6639399/Brexit-leave-UK-unstable-decades-violence-streets-EU-secret-report-warns.html

Also a thing that hasn't happened. You seem to have a thing about Armies (sic), Mr Army.

But only CNN's cameras - they were given an exclusive of the arrest. I can't possibly imagine why...

This is remarkable. The FBI turned up this morning at the doorstep of one of the President of the United States' most trusted advisors, Roger Stone - in a dawn raid, in full riot gear. https://twitter.com/CNN/status/1088769020084604928 Even more remarkable that they were all doing this while being unpaid because of Trump's shutdown. (Although I bet there were volunteers...) If Trump's underlying plan in provoking the shutdown was to hamper the investigation of widening criminality in the Trump campaign, it seems the FBI has delivered a pretty effective '**** you'.

Ahem.

With apologies to Tender for the writer's surname, Nick Cohen nails the 'snobs and mobs' who, 'if they are not actually calling for violence' in the event of a second referendum,' 'they are expecting it, justifying it, hoping for it, and wanting it.' https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2019/01/snobs-and-mobs-agree-on-the-cost-of-a-second-referendum/

No. You don't. Not realising that independence and partition are intimately bound makes you a Grade F dunce. A lie. On the contrary, this is yet another instance where you've pulled the pin on a grenade and forgotten to throw it. The 'situation' is importantly analogous. In both cases, severe warnings were given about the devastating consequences of sticking to a timetable that no one in their right mind would think was workable. In both cases, the warnings have been ignored. So this is you being the miserable little racist, infuriated by the cheek of a brown-skinned man 'sticking his oar in' to white, Anglo-Saxon folks' business.

Yes. And you don't mean 'independence' alone because partition came as part of the package. There are plenty on both sides who wanted to reverse partition, and still do. There was also a determined bid to delay partition because it was being done on such a tight schedule that it was bound to lead to disaster. But the desire to just get on with it meant the original schedule was trictly adhered to, resulting in the deaths of more than a million people.

It's such a shame though. The Cottage is a lovely place to watch football.

How's that ever going to work Mr Jihad? In your world, facts don't exist if you simply choose not to believe them. That's what a cult is. (Having said that, I've had more luck talking to actual Jihadists than Brexit versions). What I've been saying is that the whole debate has moved miles since 2016, and there is now a recognition, among rational people, that the version of Brexit sold to the public in 2016 was false: the cake-and-eat-it option does not and never has existed. We now know that - or at least the sentient ones among us do. That is a FACT (as you call it). So the choice is simple: do we accept an economically diminished Britain, with thousands of job losses, or do we think again, now that we know the terms of the 'deal' and know a great deal more about what the parameters of any relationship with the EU are. As Lord Crap accidentally demonstrates, it's not possible to compare 2016 with now without realising how massively things have changed. His posting of the Irish border issue, as discussed in 2016, doesn't even mention how the GFA will prove such an overwhelming obstacle. He lamely uses a Cameron speech in 2010, in which he's blowing smoke to a turkish audience, to suggest that Turkish accession had any chance (it did not). Etc, etc. By the way, I'd add that some economists have been quite clear about job losses. 800,000 plus in motor manufacturing alone, which will be all but wiped out. Quite some price to pay (although not by you, right Jack?)

Hello again, Mr RedJihad, and thanks for the kisses Could you post any public discussion, by UK politicians, before the referendum date on the following: Article 50 The customs union The single market The Good Friday agreement WTO Non-tariff barriers Just-in-time supply for manufacturing Passporting (or financial services - not those ridiculous arguments for 'blue' passports) Citizen's rights (EU in the UK and UK in EU) after Brexit How long it will take to get the EU's trade deals replicated with non-EU states Inward investment The impact of the withdrawal of EU regional and development investment The imminent accession of Turkey ...etc... V xxxx

This is fantastic Trump-trolling from AeroMexico.

The older and Jihadist wing of Brexiteers all seem to have one thing in common. They were beneficiaries of Thatcherism. What Brexit has very much in common with Thatcherism is its willingness to destroy huge swathes of Britain in order to focus wealth on the City and private property. Anyone who knew Liverpool in the 1980s, or places like Corby, would have seen the devastating effects of de-industrialisation on people and places wrought by Thatcherism. Brexit Jihadists of a certain age seem to have a folk memory of that - and view the economic carnage of no deal as a modern variant of the Thatcherite wipe-out of British manufacturing. So it's no wonder that the typical Brexit jihadist is pale stale, close to or at pensionable age, cosseted and intellectually dulled by the banalities of Thatcherite zealotry.

It's not leverage. Firstly, the EU doesn't care. Any damage done to other economies will be offset in part by the continuing drift of UK companies, investment and assets to EU states. That will be measured in trillions. £800,000 billion of assets has already been shifted from the City to the EU. Secondly, the EU doesn't believe it. We're in a weird Mexican stand-off where one side - us - is holding the gun to their own heads. The EU believes least of all the 'no-dealers'. What Brexit extremists - the Jihadists - want with their no-deal is Mauritania +++. But even Mauritania doesn't trade solely on the (highly restrictive, anti-free-trade) WTO tariff regime. And thirdly, the EU has been treated throughout by Brexiteers, including Davis and Raab, as some sort of competing state. It's not. It's a legal order, with rules, costs and benefits which apply to members and not to third-party states (that's us). Unless someone in the government other than the civil servants actually grasps that, we're headed for the only course of action open unilaterally to May - to revoke article 50.

But it's also quite on the money. Brexit has always been a generational issue, and Leavers are, in far greater numbers, coffin-dodgers, as Shylock helpfully puts it. This assumes that everyone votes the same way they did in 2016, plus some calculations about newly enrolled voters would make their decisions. But actually, recent polls have shown a consistent drift towards remain, with the latest YouGov poll putting Remain at 56% and Leave at 44%. https://metro.co.uk/2019/01/17/second-referendum-56-remain-44-leave-new-poll-reveals-8355458/ So predictions about mass riots if Brexit is cancelled seem either wide of the mark, or we're facing a bizarre mix of revolting oldies, racists, pedophiles (see my previous illuminating post on the small but significant pedophile constituency among Brexiters) and the odd attempted murderer. Happy days!

You can call him whatever names you like. The reality is as he describes it in relation to things like fisheries policy. The supreme irony is that if we do leave on 29 March, we'll have waved goodbye to all of our bargaining power, and EU countries like France, Holland, Germany and Belgium can appropriate British companies and assets at an even greater rate than they already are at present.

Indeed. And his wild-eyed screed (above) has all the trappings and tropes of a late-Weimar window-smasher. By the way, who the ****, I wonder, is 'Freedman'?

I disagree. He got as far as the author's name, which had a certain, let's say, Levantine quality.

I'm not exactly a fan of Corbyn's, but there is an important internal party logic to calling the no confidence vote. The party conference in September passed a resolution opposing May's 'deal' and demanding for a people's vote IF a general election cannot be triggered. So it's about process. First the no confidence vote (which he'll lose, and he knows it), then backing for a second referendum. That's the theory. Whether his Bennism allows him to let go of his underlying anti-EU stance is another question. So things will go as we'd all expect tomorrow, but they get interesting after that.

Okay, if allying yourself with racist abusers won't give you pause for thought - let alone any actual condemnation - how comfortable are you allying with pedophiles? Stephen Yaxley-Lennon's mob have hijacked and are leading the yellow vests. Let's look at the record of some other neon Nazis - those identifying with Yaxley Lennon's politics. Richard Price. Former EDL leader. Now on the sex offender's register, having admitted four counts of making indecent images of children and two charges of possessing cocaine. Michael Coates. NW Infidels. Charged with two attempted rapes and other sexual offences. Brett Moses. Hull EDL. 12-month prison sentence for sexual grooming. Matthew Woodward. Teesside EDL. Charged with child pornography and soliciting a thirteen year old for photographs. Alan Thomas Ellis. Deeside EDL. Convicted of sending texts of a sexual nature to a fourteen year old girl. Archie Sliman. EDL. Kidnapping and abusing a ten year old girl. Stephen Payne. SDL. Convicted of grooming a thirteen year old. Nigel Hesmondalgh. BNP. Jailed for possessing a series of degrading photos and videos of children.

Ah, another cri de coeur from our resident, and self-identifying, neon Nazi sympathiser. I wonder if you have any thoughts on what was actually said in that video? As ever, the Brexit jihadists on here won't distance themselves from the rabid racists that have attached to the post-referendum slide of this country into tiny-minded mediocrity. They won't detach themselves because they ARE the kind racists that appear in these videos.

Another day in Brexitland.... https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6584345/McDonalds-diner-claims-white-men-built-civilisation-slams-immigrants-feminists.html Also, this guy is a dead ringer for (a) Harry Enfield's Mr You-Don't-Wanna-Do-It-Like-That and (b) every 'nativist' on here.