General election? June 8th?

So is this your schtick now? You dig a hole you can't get out of (Trident) so move a couple of feet over and start digging another one (the non-scandal of Wales' leaving the board of one media company to set up another media company)?

 

How much whack-a-mole can we be expected to play?

I think if you look above I said I was wrong. Can't go much further on that subject from there can I?

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I think if you look above I said I was wrong. Can't go much further on that subject from there can I?

 

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I presume "I was wrong" applies generally.

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I presume "I was wrong" applies generally.

 

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No. Just to trident being a one off payment.

I don't believe anything else is demonstrably wrong.

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No. Just to trident being a one off payment.

 

I don't believe anything else is demonstrably wrong.

 

 

 

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Just for clarity, and pedantry, the programme is to acquire a new continuously available strategic nuclear deterrent. Trident is the weapons system, and is the pointy bit of the capability, not the totality of the capability. The capability is a continuously available strategic nuclear deterrent, we have chosen to use a submarine based capability, other brands are available, and it is this that provides Continuous at Sea Deterrent (CASD). CASD comprises: The Delivery Platform (Submarines), AWE Aldermaston, much of the Clyde Submarine Base and its associated Armaments Depot, significant elements of the Submarine Training Programme and Nuclear Propulsion Programme, BAE Systems Barrow, command, communications and intelligence components, DE&S Acquisition and Delivery Team, and myriad of specialist suppliers.

Can't see much wrong with that myself...

Just for clarity, and pedantry, the programme is to acquire a new continuously available strategic nuclear deterrent. Trident is the weapons system, and is the pointy bit of the capability, not the totality of the capability. The capability is a continuously available strategic nuclear deterrent, we have chosen to use a submarine based capability, other brands are available, and it is this that provides Continuous at Sea Deterrent (CASD). CASD comprises: The Delivery Platform (Submarines), AWE Aldermaston, much of the Clyde Submarine Base and its associated Armaments Depot, significant elements of the Submarine Training Programme and Nuclear Propulsion Programme, BAE Systems Barrow, command, communications and intelligence components, DE&S Acquisition and Delivery Team, and myriad of specialist suppliers.

Thanks for the clarifications.

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Can't see much wrong with that myself...

The "aloof and non-committal" bit fits May better than Corbyn.

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The "aloof and non-committal" bit fits May better than Corbyn.

 

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Really? With Corbyns views on things that obviously most of his party don't agree with.?

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Really? With Corbyns views on things that obviously most of his party don't agree with.?

 

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This doesn't make much sense. Corbyn may be committed to all the wrong things; but noncommittal he isn't.

Really? With Corbyns views on things that obviously most of his party don't agree with.?

 

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That's not aloof or non-committal. Although I agree he's at odds with at least his parliamentary party.

May, on the other hand, is setting herself as being above debate, above criticism, the only strong leader. Anyone disagreeing with her is unpatriotic. That's aloof.

She also only deals in the slogan - strong and stable leadership - and that means nothing. No commitment to policy or specifics. That's non-committal.

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That's not aloof or non-committal. Although I agree he's at odds with at least his parliamentary party.

 

May, on the other hand, is setting herself as being above debate, above criticism, the only strong leader. Anyone disagreeing with her is unpatriotic. That's aloof.

 

She also only deals in the slogan - strong and stable leadership - and that means nothing. No commitment to policy or specifics. That's non-committal.

 

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Which way did he vote in the referendum?

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Could we do a saintsweb poll on where people stand now? And then the week of the election do a follow up one?

Are we able to do that without people being shouted at for being on one side of the fence or the other? Or green party voters

Which way did he vote in the referendum?

 

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Which way did Remainer Theresa vote?

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Which way did Remainer Theresa vote?

 

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I'm scratching my head right now.

May voted remain. Corbyn refused to clarify which way he voted.

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/jeremy-corbyn-refused-to-confirm-he-voted-remain-at-eu-referendum-claims-chris-bryant_uk_5770ff1fe4b0d2571149f599

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I'm scratching my head right now.

 

May voted remain. Corbyn refused to clarify which way he voted.

 

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/jeremy-corbyn-refused-to-confirm-he-voted-remain-at-eu-referendum-claims-chris-bryant_uk_5770ff1fe4b0d2571149f599

 

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As is his right. Ballots are secret. And this election isn't a rerun of the referendum.

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I'm scratching my head right now.

 

May voted remain. Corbyn refused to clarify which way he voted.

 

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/jeremy-corbyn-refused-to-confirm-he-voted-remain-at-eu-referendum-claims-chris-bryant_uk_5770ff1fe4b0d2571149f599

 

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Instead of scratching your head why do you try reading your own link:

“It’s a ridiculous thing to suggest. Jeremy tweeted immediately after he voted that he voted to remain so the matter is already public."

Corbyn is the most principled and honest of all the party leaders. As Shurlock says, its just a pity he believes in the wrong things. He's an individual, free thinker. Great as an MP, useless a a leader who needs to bind a disparate party together and find the zeitgeist of the electorate.

That's not aloof or non-committal. Although I agree he's at odds with at least his parliamentary party.

 

May, on the other hand, is setting herself as being above debate, above criticism, the only strong leader. Anyone disagreeing with her is unpatriotic. That's aloof.

 

She also only deals in the slogan - strong and stable leadership - and that means nothing. No commitment to policy or specifics. That's non-committal.

 

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Commitment to policy is supposed to happen with the manifestos. I wouldn't expect any party leaders to commit to too muchyet until they launch the manifestos. Even then as we know they don't always stick to them.

Corbyn is the most principled and honest of all the party leaders. As Shurlock says, its just a pity he believes in the wrong things. He's an individual, free thinker. Great as an MP, useless a a leader who needs to bind a disparate party together and find the zeitgeist of the electorate.

Yeah I probably agree with you there. I think everyone accepts that Corbyn is a nice bloke, it's just a pity that an effective opposition is probably most needed now yet we don't have one.

Could we do a saintsweb poll on where people stand now? And then the week of the election do a follow up one?

 

Are we able to do that without people being shouted at for being on one side of the fence or the other? Or green party voters

Great idea.

Instead of scratching your head why do you try reading your own link:

 

“It’s a ridiculous thing to suggest. Jeremy tweeted immediately after he voted that he voted to remain so the matter is already public."

So why has he verbally refused to clarify if he did when asked afterwards multiple times?

You'd think it was a simple yes or no.

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So why has he verbally refused to clarify if he did when asked afterwards multiple times?

 

You'd think it was a simple yes or no.

Because there is no point in an elected politician needlessly antagonisng the other half of the electorate?

So why has he verbally refused to clarify if he did when asked afterwards multiple times?

 

You'd think it was a simple yes or no.

 

 

 

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Why are you obsessed with simple yes or no answers? Very few things are that simple. And you should know that politicians rarely give a straightforward answer and you're naïve if you think they'll hand ammunition to the questioner when either answer is a trap. Theresa is a real expert at not answering at all. Just keep saying we need strong and stable leadership.

But if he did refuse to say which way he voted, what's the problem? Do you want confirmation that he voted Remain so that you can declare him an enemy of the people? Along with the 48%? Of course, I was forgetting, all Remainers are now saboteurs.

Despite the fact that a poll this week showed a majority believing Britain took the wrong Referendum decision.

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Simple yes and no answers are the best answers to questions.

Sadly sometimes you can't say yes or no, like when you're about to negotiate an exit from the EU you have to answer in such an ambiguous way that it won't effect negotiations.

As Jeremy corbyn could potentially be leading the country, it would be nice to see why his principled continuous record of voting against the EU was different when the EU Ref came along.

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So why has he verbally refused to clarify if he did when asked afterwards multiple times?

 

You'd think it was a simple yes or no.

 

 

 

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Became he didn't want to answer a stupid question?

I presume "I was wrong" applies generally.

 

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Watch out, he'll be banging on about the Xbox One next.

Watch out, he'll be banging on about the Xbox One next.

I'm torn between ignoring and amusing myself with the naïvety.

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Watch out, he'll be banging on about the Xbox One next.

Ah resorting to perceived derogatory comments. Part of Corbyns new politics eh?

How about explaining how he's going to fund half a million new council homes?

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Ah resorting to perceived derogatory comments. Part of Corbyns new politics eh?

 

How about explaining how he's going to fund half a million new council homes?

 

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Cancel Trident. ????

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Ah resorting to perceived derogatory comments. Part of Corbyns new politics eh?

 

How about explaining how he's going to fund half a million new council homes?

 

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Tax bankers. Stop big business tax avoidance.

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Tax bankers. Stop big business tax avoidance.

 

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That's already been spent by labour 10 times over. You need to find more.

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That's already been spent by labour 10 times over. You need to find more.

 

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Half a million houses at a build cost of £200k each (generous estimate) is £100m. Peanuts.

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Ah resorting to perceived derogatory comments. Part of Corbyns new politics eh?

 

How about explaining how he's going to fund half a million new council homes?

 

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No, see Boris Johnson if you want childish insults.

No, see Boris Johnson if you want childish insults.

And I see Boris's sister is campaigning against him and his Brexit plans now. Happy days.

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Half a million houses at a build cost of £200k each (generous estimate) is £100m. Peanuts.

 

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500,000 x 200,000 = 100,000,000,000

You'd manage to cost it at £100m if half a million houses cost two hundred pounds each.

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500,000 x 200,000 = 100,000,000,000

 

You'd manage to cost it at £100m if half a million houses cost two hundred pounds each.

 

 

 

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LOL. Corbynomics.

500,000 x 200,000 = 100,000,000,000

 

You'd manage to cost it at £100m if half a million houses cost two hundred pounds each.

 

 

 

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Fair enough. I was working on mates' rates.

(Bit embarrassing for a maths graduate. ☹️)

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Ah resorting to perceived derogatory comments. Part of Corbyns new politics eh?

 

How about explaining how he's going to fund half a million new council homes?

 

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And pay NHS staff "what they deserve" and pay everyone £10 an hour and give every child in the country free school meals. It's fantasy politics.

http://www.taxfairness.ca/en/news/32-trillion-hidden-offshore-tax-havens

The Guardian newspaper have been working undercover for years. Apparently They've got their own little shell company in the Cayman Islands...Had it since 2007. Don't know when they'll report on what they've discovered though. Seems to be quite a long running investigation.

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Fair enough. I was working on mates' rates.

The way to do it is for the government to purchase farmland at the going rate of c8000 per acre. Then give itself planning permission and build four and five bedroom houses and sell them for a massive profit (as land is aroun half the cost of a house). Everybody them moves up the chain freeing up houses at the bottom.

Result is improved housing stock,housing problem solved and it cost nothing

The Guardian newspaper have been working undercover for years. Apparently They've got their own little shell company in the Cayman Islands...Had it since 2007. Don't know when they'll report on what they've discovered though. Seems to be quite a long running investigation.

 

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Say what now?

I'm with Corbyn and Labour - there is only so much money and his proposed redistribution of the riches we produce strikes a chord with me.

My house has gone up £200k in 2 years and we are comfortable.

But there are a lot people on zero hours contracts who are not comfortable, there are a lot of very low wage earners...the minimum wage figure has become the agreed pay rate in many industries. Having been a higher tax earner throughout most of my life I never begrudged paying the taxes I paid. I would like a nationalised railway, nationalised power companies, NHS to remain free of private companies. I would like to see thousands of new homes and council houses.

I'm with Corbyn and Labour - there is only so much money and his proposed redistribution of the riches we produce strikes a chord with me.

 

My house has gone up £200k in 2 years and we are comfortable.

 

But there are a lot people on zero hours contracts who are not comfortable, there are a lot of very low wage earners...the minimum wage figure has become the agreed pay rate in many industries. Having been a higher tax earner throughout most of my life I never begrudged paying the taxes I paid. I would like a nationalised railway, nationalised power companies, NHS to remain free of private companies. I would like to see thousands of new homes and council houses.

Feel free to plant some money trees. Corbyn would scare off the rich and there would be no wealth to redistribute.

More and more people end up on the minimum wage as companies have to concentrate all wage increases on those on minimum wage, and I'd hate to think of the price increases in supermarkets that would be passed on if they had to pay 10 quid an hour.

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there are a lot of very low wage earners...the minimum wage figure has become the agreed pay rate in many industries.

Ive been travelling to the US for thirty years and witnessed the gradual year after year downgrading of huge swathes of their their middle and working class. Reduction in public services spending and the prioritisation of corporations over citiizens have taken a real toll. Average wages have kept pace but the distribution within that average has changed dramatically - massive pay at the top and barely more than minimum wage for the majority. The effect can be seen in the quality of the built environment - some private affluence and lots of public squalor.

The thing is that all the evidence shows that rich people dont like to be surrounded by poor people and beggars. They actually prefer living in cities where people are well dressed, the homes well kept and the streets clean and will pay a big premium to do that. Equitable distribution of income actually makes everybody happier.

Britain is heading down the same road and its a massive shame on many levels.

GDP figures out

US 0.2%

France 0.3%

Uk 0.3%

Still keeping pace or ahead of other major economies despite Brexit.

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GDP figures out

 

US 0.2%

France 0.3%

Uk 0.3%

 

Still keeping pace or ahead of other major economies despite Brexit.

 

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When did Brexit happen? I must have missed it.

GDP figures out

 

US 0.2%

France 0.3%

Uk 0.3%

 

Still keeping pace or ahead of other major economies despite Brexit.

 

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Spain 0.8%

Germany projected at 0.5%

So we are behind the EU countries - you know those ones which were dragging us down.

When did Brexit happen? I must have missed it.

George osbourne said it would be immediate Catrastophe on June 24. Emergency budget and all.

Most economists underestimated everything.

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George osbourne said it would be immediate Catrastophe on June 24. Emergency budget and all.

 

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"What a total plonker said about Brexit didnt come true therefore Brexit is great". I think I can see a logic gap.