ladysaint Posted 15 June, 2009 Share Posted 15 June, 2009 He’s the new coach at the mighty FC Eindhoven, the 2nd professional side in Eindhoven who play in their 1st division. They have had a lot of financial trouble as well so it looks like Big Jan prefers a financial mess these days. Eindhoven’s situation is so bad that, like Fortuna Sittard, they are threatened by the Dutch FA to be relegated to the amateur ranks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KMondo Posted 15 June, 2009 Share Posted 15 June, 2009 Jan "Will-Work-For-Food" Poortvliet strikes again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustMike Posted 15 June, 2009 Share Posted 15 June, 2009 good luck to him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dicko Posted 15 June, 2009 Share Posted 15 June, 2009 He told the media "when I first saw the stadium, I almost burst into tears" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 15 June, 2009 Share Posted 15 June, 2009 Will he be on his own this time or part of a "management duo" again? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ribbo Posted 15 June, 2009 Share Posted 15 June, 2009 wish the fella well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brightspark Posted 15 June, 2009 Share Posted 15 June, 2009 I think he will do alright at his new club. Of that, I have no doubt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulwantsapint Posted 15 June, 2009 Share Posted 15 June, 2009 Good luck Jan Fancy taking some of your boysshh to your new club Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marsdinho Posted 15 June, 2009 Share Posted 15 June, 2009 Maybe FC Eindhoven wanted a revolutionary new coaching set up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 15 June, 2009 Share Posted 15 June, 2009 He'll be fine, provided they dont use kids. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DutchSaint Posted 15 June, 2009 Share Posted 15 June, 2009 Poortvliet will be my hometeams manager. He will do good in holland. The problem with poortvliet at saints was that he did not have any cleu what english football was about. Respect for him to step down and not getting sacked. i dont see poortvliet as the main source for our relegation. not even Sir Alex could have saved us last season. He will do well at our place. And we have got him on the cheap. He gets paid 2500 euro a month. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lets B Avenue Posted 15 June, 2009 Share Posted 15 June, 2009 Poortvliet will be my hometeams manager. He will do good in holland. The problem with poortvliet at saints was that he did not have any cleu what english football was about. Respect for him to step down and not getting sacked. i dont see poortvliet as the main source for our relegation. not even Sir Alex could have saved us last season. He will do well at our place. And we have got him on the cheap. He gets paid 2500 euro a month. Gets a pay rise then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ladysaint Posted 15 June, 2009 Author Share Posted 15 June, 2009 See the echo have now nicked the story from here. http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/sport/4438747.Poortvliet_lands_new_job/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmel Posted 15 June, 2009 Share Posted 15 June, 2009 Respect for him to step down and not getting sacked. :rolleyes::rolleyes: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 15 June, 2009 Share Posted 15 June, 2009 Poortvliet will be my hometeams manager. He will do good in holland. The problem with poortvliet at saints was that he did not have any cleu what english football was about. Respect for him to step down and not getting sacked. i dont see poortvliet as the main source for our relegation. not even Sir Alex could have saved us last season. He will do well at our place. And we have got him on the cheap. He gets paid 2500 euro a month. Sorry, but I completely disagree. If we had a manager who knew English football and could actually motivate the players, we would have stayed up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxstone Posted 15 June, 2009 Share Posted 15 June, 2009 Did not cut it as a manager with us but nevertheless he was a thoroughly decent bloke and I wish him well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crab Lungs Posted 15 June, 2009 Share Posted 15 June, 2009 See the echo have now nicked the story from here. http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/sport/4438747.Poortvliet_lands_new_job/ They really are a bunch of useless c u n ts aren't they. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
um pahars Posted 15 June, 2009 Share Posted 15 June, 2009 He told the media "when I first saw the stadium, I almost burst into tears" Well at least he's back to the circa 5,000 seat stadiums that he's used to!!!!! How did we ever end up with a manager with the gravitas of Poortvliet I'll never know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ottery st mary Posted 15 June, 2009 Share Posted 15 June, 2009 I trust JP will be offering Wotte a job as his second in command.....Loyalty boyzz... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
offix Posted 15 June, 2009 Share Posted 15 June, 2009 ....Respect for him to step down and not getting sacked. Of course he was. Even Dutch newspaper De Telegraaf says so. http://www.telegraaf.nl/telesport/voetbal/4163497/__Poortvliet_trainer_FC_Eindhoven__.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L1Minus10 Posted 15 June, 2009 Share Posted 15 June, 2009 I still have the recurring nightmare that I'm listening to a Poortvliet press conference after another defeat.... he was a ****ing moron, given the job by an even bigger ****ing moron. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Fan CaM Posted 15 June, 2009 Share Posted 15 June, 2009 good luck to him Good luck to the freaking club I say! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IFHP Posted 15 June, 2009 Share Posted 15 June, 2009 I still have the recurring nightmare that I'm listening to a Poortvliet press conference after another defeat.... he was a ****ing moron, given the job by an even bigger ****ing moron. Agree 100%. He was ****ing useless and should never have had the privilege of managing Saints. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ladysaint Posted 15 June, 2009 Author Share Posted 15 June, 2009 He was far too nice a guy to be a football manager. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
70's Mike Posted 15 June, 2009 Share Posted 15 June, 2009 Just got off the phone from business friends in Den Bosch, which is near Eindhoven. They gave me lots of stick when JP came to us, they did not rate him, so i have been getting my own back. They say it must be a financial decision only because he is not rated by them as a motivator. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DutchSaint Posted 15 June, 2009 Share Posted 15 June, 2009 I gave Nick the scoop of Poortvliet yesterday evening. As you say, the echo just cut and paist to get the paper full. Not much of brilliant journalism there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captain sensible Posted 15 June, 2009 Share Posted 15 June, 2009 Well at least he's back to the circa 5,000 seat stadiums that he's used to!!!!! How did we ever end up with a manager with the gravitas of Poortvliet I'll never know. That you never rated Poortvliet is no secret, however, the basis on which you passed judgement on him initially, (his CV), would have been no different to Roy Keane or Jurgen Klinsmann, Personally, I thought he played exciting attacking formations, that could have achieved so much more with a couple of strikers that could convert the hatful of chances that were presented. I don't believe the guy was out of his depth, he was a World Cup Finalist in '78, and if that's not pedigree, I don't know what it. The guy's that could have done it for him (Saga & Rasiak) were out on loan (for obvious reasons). He was in my opinion dealt a crap hand and did the best he could with what he had. Wotte fared no better, and Pearson only just kept us up. No matter which way you want to dress it up, it comes down to the 11 men on the pitch, and if they can't cut it.......silk purse.....sau's ear! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Windmill Arm 2 Posted 15 June, 2009 Share Posted 15 June, 2009 He’s the new coach at the mighty FC Eindhoven, the 2nd professional side in Eindhoven who play in their 1st division. They have had a lot of financial trouble as well so it looks like Big Jan prefers a financial mess these days. Eindhoven’s situation is so bad that, like Fortuna Sittard, they are threatened by the Dutch FA to be relegated to the amateur ranks. They are going down then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ooohTerryHurlock Posted 15 June, 2009 Share Posted 15 June, 2009 That you never rated Poortvliet is no secret, however, the basis on which you passed judgement on him initially, (his CV), would have been no different to Roy Keane or Jurgen Klinsmann, Personally, I thought he played exciting attacking formations, that could have achieved so much more with a couple of strikers that could convert the hatful of chances that were presented. I don't believe the guy was out of his depth, he was a World Cup Finalist in '78, and if that's not pedigree, I don't know what it. The guy's that could have done it for him (Saga & Rasiak) were out on loan (for obvious reasons). He was in my opinion dealt a crap hand and did the best he could with what he had. Wotte fared no better, and Pearson only just kept us up. No matter which way you want to dress it up, it comes down to the 11 men on the pitch, and if they can't cut it.......silk purse.....sau's ear! Agree, Agree, Agree.... a nice chap set up as a fall guy. Pretty much it was all down to not having a cutting edge up front. I genuinely hope it works out for him as he seemed a nice bloke at heart. All the best JP and no hard feellings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oxfordshire_saint Posted 15 June, 2009 Share Posted 15 June, 2009 That you never rated Poortvliet is no secret, however, the basis on which you passed judgement on him initially, (his CV), would have been no different to Roy Keane or Jurgen Klinsmann, Personally, I thought he played exciting attacking formations, that could have achieved so much more with a couple of strikers that could convert the hatful of chances that were presented. I don't believe the guy was out of his depth, he was a World Cup Finalist in '78, and if that's not pedigree, I don't know what it. The guy's that could have done it for him (Saga & Rasiak) were out on loan (for obvious reasons). He was in my opinion dealt a crap hand and did the best he could with what he had. Wotte fared no better, and Pearson only just kept us up. No matter which way you want to dress it up, it comes down to the 11 men on the pitch, and if they can't cut it.......silk purse.....sau's ear! I agree, the odds were stacked against him. I think the main gripe people had is not being able to motivate the players to achieve similar results at home compared the wins we got against Derby, Preston and Reading away. But that said, the players still showed the same lack of cutting edge under Wotte, they need to shoulder the blame too. Nice fella, wish him well in his new job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 15 June, 2009 Share Posted 15 June, 2009 That you never rated Poortvliet is no secret, however, the basis on which you passed judgement on him initially, (his CV), would have been no different to Roy Keane or Jurgen Klinsmann, Sorry, this is garbage. I must have missed that decade Roy Keane spent failing season after season at fourth rate dutch semi pro football clubs before Sunderland took him on. It doesn't always work but taking a punt on a big name ex player (be it Keane, Klinsman, Shearer, Southgate or John Barnes) is not the same thing as giving a job to someone with a track record of utter mediocrity already behind them. Giving a job to a proven utter failure is not the same as giving somone their first job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
um pahars Posted 15 June, 2009 Share Posted 15 June, 2009 That you never rated Poortvliet is no secret, however, the basis on which you passed judgement on him initially, (his CV), would have been no different to Roy Keane or Jurgen Klinsmann,! Well you missed the thrust of my argument which was more to do with the bullsht eminating from the Club over his success to date and how his CV was embellished/massaged to make him sound more successful then he really was. There were omissions and gaping holes in it which delved further just highlighted how we had effectively appointed a rather poor lower/non league manager with some pretty low level experience. That would be a massive difference from judging the two you have mentioned as they would be at the start of their managerial careers and not someone who had spent the majority of their careers in the Low Countries ameteur leagues. Those two have no track record, whereas Poortvliet had a rather medicore track record (at best) in the Dutch lower and non leagues. And if you really don't think he was out of his depth, then I think I've just wasted two minutes of my life replying to you:rolleyes: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captain sensible Posted 15 June, 2009 Share Posted 15 June, 2009 Sorry, this is garbage. I must have missed that decade Roy Keane spent failing season after season at fourth rate dutch semi pro football clubs before Sunderland took him on. It doesn't always work but taking a punt on a big name ex player (be it Keane, Klinsman, Shearer, Southgate or John Barnes) is not the same thing as giving a job to someone with a track record of utter mediocrity already behind them. Giving a job to a proven utter failure is not the same as giving somone their first job. Would you say that Lawrie Mac's effort's prior to '76 were actually that much better, considering the international's and resources available to him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 15 June, 2009 Share Posted 15 June, 2009 Would you say that Lawrie Mac's effort's prior to '76 were actually that much better, considering the international's and resources available to him? If you are basing your argument on comparing the managerial credentials of Jan Poortvilet with Lawrie McMenemy then god help us all. Jan the man had a more than a decade - TWELVE YEARS - of acheiving nothing at all with nothing clubs in a nothing league before he was appointed Saints manager. Twelve years after Lawrie's first professional job at Doncaster he had a medium sized city club challenging for the League title in one of the biggest leagues in Europe. And he'd won the FA cup. Oh, and he'd just signed the European Footballer of the Year as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SFC Forever Posted 15 June, 2009 Share Posted 15 June, 2009 The thing that I just don't understand is why Lowe selected JP and Wotte. What had they done to give him any idea that they could do a job for us in the plight we were in? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Chalet Posted 15 June, 2009 Share Posted 15 June, 2009 Can we all just go back to hating Burley please? JP was basically Lowe's 'Patsy', a crazy gamble that didn't pay off. Hardly his fault he was out of his depth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ottery st mary Posted 16 June, 2009 Share Posted 16 June, 2009 Step forward The Director of Football....Sir Rupert Lowe....JP and Wotte were just his runners......Rupert was the boss and WITH Phil De Whales made all the football decisions....As said JP was the patsy and scapegoat and then Wotte who had been there all along took the wheel and with Rupert trying to blame everyone else when in fact Wotte and Rupert had been the Architects...INCOMPETENTS. I think we have covered this many times and it alwayscomes back to the same result.. Hopefully very soon we will have a new future and new hope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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