washsaint Posted 8 July, 2009 Share Posted 8 July, 2009 Despite concerns over MLT's alignment with the Pinnacle Group (for all the right reasons) the guy is an absolute legend. His interview on SSN just now but was superb.....Matt was humble, just thankful the club had been saved and offered to do anything if asked. Not just a playing legend but an absolute fan as well. Hopefully, our new owners will offer Matt some role at the club but not necessarily anything on the financial side! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 8 July, 2009 Share Posted 8 July, 2009 He may well be a legend it does not mean that everything he does is correct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1976_Child Posted 8 July, 2009 Share Posted 8 July, 2009 Agreed. MLT is a true fan, loyal to the core. I think he deserves some sort of role.... perhaps he can be a Swiss roll? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Son of Bob Posted 8 July, 2009 Share Posted 8 July, 2009 Despite concerns over MLT's alignment with the Pinnacle Group (for all the right reasons) the guy is an absolute legend. His interview on SSN just now but was superb.....Matt was humble, just thankful the club had been saved and offered to do anything if asked. Not just a playing legend but an absolute fan as well. Hopefully, our new owners will offer Matt some role at the club but not necessarily anything on the financial side! I think it would be wrong not to bring him in in some capacity. You can tell he wants to be involved and it would be a great lift for the fans to see him come on board. Only time will tell I guess but if Mr Liebherr is advised well I think he may get some sort of role at St Marys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beer Engine Posted 8 July, 2009 Share Posted 8 July, 2009 I think it would be wrong not to bring him in in some capacity. You can tell he wants to be involved and it would be a great lift for the fans to see him come on board. Only time will tell I guess but if Mr Liebherr is advised well I think he may get some sort of role at St Marys. I disagree. MLT has sensibly and gracefully distanced himself while he still can. The Swiss may want him involved - I don't know - but they certainly don't need him. He was a great and loyal player - but let's not forget that his fronting up the Pinnacle bid might have cost the club its existence. It calls into question his judgement. Let's have a fresh start without all this MLT legend stuff - it belongs to the past. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Son of Bob Posted 8 July, 2009 Share Posted 8 July, 2009 I disagree. MLT has sensibly and gracefully distanced himself while he still can. The Swiss may want him involved - I don't know - but they certainly don't need him. He was a great and loyal player - but let's not forget that his fronting up the Pinnacle bid might have cost the club its existence. It calls into question his judgement. Let's have a fresh start without all this MLT legend stuff - it belongs to the past. Yeah, let's forget one of clubs most loyal servants. Whilst we're at it lets pull down the Ted Bates statue as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 8 July, 2009 Share Posted 8 July, 2009 I still say be should have a statue next to the players entrance with LOYALTY on the plinth. A bust would do. Just to remind them there's more to being a footballer than cash. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nineteen Canteen Posted 8 July, 2009 Share Posted 8 July, 2009 I disagree. MLT has sensibly and gracefully distanced himself while he still can. The Swiss may want him involved - I don't know - but they certainly don't need him. He was a great and loyal player - but let's not forget that his fronting up the Pinnacle bid might have cost the club its existence. It calls into question his judgement. Let's have a fresh start without all this MLT legend stuff - it belongs to the past. Agree completely and it seems to me Mr Liebherr will want to do things his way. The fact he has already met Wotte and told him he wants to keep him on as manager will tell you all you need to know that this particular cookie is not going to bow to populist pressure or those trading on past contributions. Thank god for that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nineteen Canteen Posted 8 July, 2009 Share Posted 8 July, 2009 I still say be should have a statue next to the players entrance with LOYALTY on the plinth. A bust would do. Just to remind them there's more to being a footballer than cash. Sometimes loyalty can be confused with a lack of ambition and the need to increase your effort and responsibilities. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Micky Posted 8 July, 2009 Share Posted 8 July, 2009 I still say be should have a statue next to the players entrance with LOYALTY on the plinth. A bust would do. Just to remind them there's more to being a footballer than cash. If you want a pair of t i t s, perhaps you and Mole would volunteer to stand side by side...! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmel Posted 8 July, 2009 Share Posted 8 July, 2009 Sometimes loyalty can be confused with a lack of ambition and the need to increase your effort and responsibilities. Sometimes always taking the vast minority view can be confused with trolling Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Son of Bob Posted 8 July, 2009 Share Posted 8 July, 2009 Sometimes always taking the vast minority view can be confused with trolling I lol'd! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
INFLUENCED.COM Posted 8 July, 2009 Share Posted 8 July, 2009 Sometimes loyalty can be confused with a lack of ambition and the need to increase your effort and responsibilities. He fulfilled his responsibilities to us, NC, I know a mans reach should exceed his grasp but we should be glad, if true, that he had 'a lack of ambition' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whizzpop Posted 8 July, 2009 Share Posted 8 July, 2009 Sometimes loyalty can be confused with a lack of ambition and the need to increase your effort and responsibilities. You really are a pleb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crouchi Posted 8 July, 2009 Share Posted 8 July, 2009 More than fulfilled his responsibilities, he carried us through the years of decline and extended our stay in the top flight - but no more statues, memories are far better Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintmatt Posted 8 July, 2009 Share Posted 8 July, 2009 MLT = ledge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 8 July, 2009 Share Posted 8 July, 2009 Sometimes loyalty can be confused with a lack of ambition and the need to increase your effort and responsibilities. I have read that is the opinion of a number of people in the Football World they agree that he had fantastic talent but wished he had shown that talent at the highest level like Shearer did Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toadhall Saint Posted 8 July, 2009 Share Posted 8 July, 2009 I have read that is the opinion of a number of people in the Football World they agree that he had fantastic talent but wished he had shown that talent at the highest level More to the point he was never given the chance by certain England managers. They guy is a legend end of! My definition of legend is Ted Bates & MLT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
INFLUENCED.COM Posted 8 July, 2009 Share Posted 8 July, 2009 I have read that is the opinion of a number of people in the Football World they agree that he had fantastic talent but wished he had shown that talent at the highest level And if most are honest they would agree the point being made by NC, however, we benefited from his 'attitude', so again, I am glad of that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 8 July, 2009 Share Posted 8 July, 2009 And if most are honest they would agree the point being made by NC, however, we benefited from his 'attitude', so again, I am glad of that Dont disagree but I feel England would have benefited in both 1996 and 1998 if MLT had been playing for a more prominent premier club. It did not seem to matter to Terry Paine though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 8 July, 2009 Share Posted 8 July, 2009 I have read that is the opinion of a number of people in the Football World they agree that he had fantastic talent but wished he had shown that talent at the highest level like Shearer did A prem goal is a prem goal - not like MLT was plying his trade in scotland a la gascoigne (while being picked for England). Most people in the "football world" have limited experience of playing in a smaller side and so dont have clue about the extra challenges and responsibilities involved. If anything, MLT's achievements are all the greater because they were with a team that struggled to create chances and win games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilippineSaint Posted 8 July, 2009 Share Posted 8 July, 2009 Sometimes loyalty can be confused with a lack of ambition and the need to increase your effort and responsibilities. Well i received a two point infraction for replying to this quote most of you can imagine what i said so why is'nt the troll banned ???? UAE Saint NB when they wipe your post you get another one back Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedAndWhite91 Posted 8 July, 2009 Share Posted 8 July, 2009 Matt is and always will be a Southampton legend. End of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aardvark Posted 8 July, 2009 Share Posted 8 July, 2009 Yeah, let's forget one of clubs most loyal servants. Whilst we're at it lets pull down the Ted Bates statue as well. Talk about missing the point! Just because MLT was (arguably) the best player ever to don a Saints shirt, certainly the most naturally gifted (IMO): and just because he seems to be a top bloke - (I wouldn't really know, I've never met him and I suspect most of the "MLT=GOD" brigade haven't either)does not mean that he would offer anything in an administrative role at the club. He could easily be a great bloke and completely effing useless at the same time - I know plenty of people who fit that description! I'm not saying he would definitely be a disaster, simply that we have no way of knowing either way, and that his footballing and personality gifts shed no light on it whatsoever. As for all this "loyal servant" bolox, do me a favour! A man spends the best part of 20 years earning several times the average wage, having weekday afternoons off, PLAYING FFF...FOOTBALL!!! I'd be a "loyal servant" to almost anyone for that kind of lifestyle! I don't doubt his love for Southampton but don't tell me his whole career (or any other footballer's) was based on selfless loyalty to their club - they are more than amply rewarded. A new era has dawned - it's time to move on!:smt039 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
INFLUENCED.COM Posted 8 July, 2009 Share Posted 8 July, 2009 NB when they wipe your post you get another one back You used that well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilippineSaint Posted 8 July, 2009 Share Posted 8 July, 2009 You used that well More than once Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 8 July, 2009 Share Posted 8 July, 2009 More to the point he was never given the chance by certain England managers. They guy is a legend end of! My definition of legend is Ted Bates & MLT. I dont disagree but Terry Paine should be added to that list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RonManager Posted 8 July, 2009 Share Posted 8 July, 2009 Elvis, Elvis, Elvis Paine, Elvis Paine, Elvis Paine, Elvis, Elvis, Elvis Paine, Elvis, Elvis Paine Oi!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hamster Posted 8 July, 2009 Share Posted 8 July, 2009 Sometimes loyalty can be confused with a lack of ambition and the need to increase your effort and responsibilities. I think most people if being honest would say that ambition is over-rated. Eventually one has to take stock and basically stop to smell the flowers, realising the tranquility, serenity, purity and beauty of simply co-existing with ones world. At the end of the day a content person is one who appreciates the value of what they have right under their noses. Matt had/has much under his nose to be content with, when you meet and chat to him you realise what a fulfilling career he had medals or no medals. Sometimes there is absolutely no need to increase your effort and responsibilities. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aardvark Posted 8 July, 2009 Share Posted 8 July, 2009 I think most people if being honest would say that ambition is over-rated. Eventually one has to take stock and basically stop to smell the flowers, realising the tranquility, serenity, purity and beauty of simply co-existing with ones world. At the end of the day a content person is one who appreciates the value of what they have right under their noses. Matt had/has much under his nose to be content with, when you meet and chat to him you realise what a fulfilling career he had medals or no medals. Sometimes there is absolutely no need to increase your effort and responsibilities. That was rather beautiful. I think I'm going to cry. :smt089:smt089 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Landrew Posted 8 July, 2009 Share Posted 8 July, 2009 I think most people if being honest would say that ambition is over-rated. Eventually one has to take stock and basically stop to smell the flowers, realising the tranquility, serenity, purity and beauty of simply co-existing with ones world. At the end of the day a content person is one who appreciates the value of what they have right under their noses. Matt had/has much under his nose to be content with, when you meet and chat to him you realise what a fulfilling career he had medals or no medals. Sometimes there is absolutely no need to increase your effort and responsibilities. Well said, hamster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thegaffer Posted 8 July, 2009 Share Posted 8 July, 2009 More to the point he was never given the chance by certain England managers. They guy is a legend end of! My definition of legend is Ted Bates & MLT. Totally agree!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nickfinks Posted 8 July, 2009 Share Posted 8 July, 2009 I think most people if being honest would say that ambition is over-rated. Eventually one has to take stock and basically stop to smell the flowers, realising the tranquility, serenity, purity and beauty of simply co-existing with ones world. At the end of the day a content person is one who appreciates the value of what they have right under their noses. Matt had/has much under his nose to be content with, when you meet and chat to him you realise what a fulfilling career he had medals or no medals. Sometimes there is absolutely no need to increase your effort and responsibilities. on the money that is! well written Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Son of Bob Posted 8 July, 2009 Share Posted 8 July, 2009 Well i received a two point infraction for replying to this quote most of you can imagine what i said so why is'nt the troll banned ???? UAE Saint NB when they wipe your post you get another one back If you want to make a point then there's no problem with that. I'm sure most people on here share your sentiments regarding NC. All we ask is that you do it within the confines of the forum rules. Circum-navigating the swear filter to use swear words, espeicially the one you used is not allowed, simple as. Children use this forum and don't need to see that. By the way you shouldn't really complain. I deleted your first post without any action, deleted the 2nd post with a warning and when you did it for a 3rd time I had no choice but to infract you. Many would say you got off lightly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alki_in_korea Posted 8 July, 2009 Share Posted 8 July, 2009 I dont care what happened with pinnicle. For me Matt is and always will be my idol. He is and always will be saint and is southampton through and through. Fair enough he was taken in by a **** but if someone said i could save ur club, be my spokesperson i would do it in an instance if i believed them. MATT WE STILL LOVE YOU Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thegaffer Posted 8 July, 2009 Share Posted 8 July, 2009 I dont disagree but Terry Paine should be added to that list. Agree as well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisobee Posted 8 July, 2009 Share Posted 8 July, 2009 As has been said before how many other ex Saints players did anything ? No need to reply as it is clearly a rhetorical question. His interview on SSN was very good though precisely what I would expect from MLT. Having watched Saints for 46 years and seen too many players who cared not a jot for the club or its fans I think it's pretty disgraceful to criticise someone who did care, still cares and who tried. Maybe his judgement was questionable but if anyone were to question his motives then I'd seriously wonder if they had some sort of agenda. The guy possibly made an error of judgement at the very worst, I would be amazed if anyone old enough to post on this board has never done the same. Time to move on, if the Swiss want MLT in some role then so be it but if not I'm happy to enjoy watching him on Soccer Saturday and hope he gets to cover a few Saints game though it is doubtful. Let us just be happy, as Le Tiss clearly is, we have come up trumps and we can look forward to a bright future. So please just leave it be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank's cousin Posted 8 July, 2009 Share Posted 8 July, 2009 Think one of the reasons you dont see many true Legends in the Ted bates mould - is because its actually quite rare for the same person to be a great player, a great manager and a great administrator/business leader - its why we hold the exceptions such as Ted in such high regard. Too often, fans especially get a bit misty eyed about all this because they like the IDEA of say an MLT following suit - I am not saying he could not but so far he has just covered the player bit with no guarrantees that he could do the same as a chair or director. NOt sure how he was or If he was taken in, and its easy to speculate - sometimes in business people DO just change their minds, and I cant believe Tony Lynam did not genuinely believe they had the makings of a credible bid when they set out... whether they should have continued when it was obvious the funds dissappeared is another matter - perhaps the wisest move would have been to stand aside and let the Swiss complete earlier - an extra two weeks and we could have avoided selling players. For me it suggest again that teh -10 thing was a delaying tactic as they desperately tried to get backers back on board - or they had found one who would only go ahead if the -10 was over turned? Sure it will all come out in teh wash. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisobee Posted 8 July, 2009 Share Posted 8 July, 2009 If you want to make a point then there's no problem with that. I'm sure most people on here share your sentiments regarding NC. All we ask is that you do it within the confines of the forum rules. Circum-navigating the swear filter to use swear words, espeicially the one you used is not allowed, simple as. Children use this forum and don't need to see that. By the way you shouldn't really complain. I deleted your first post without any action, deleted the 2nd post with a warning and when you did it for a 3rd time I had no choice but to infract you. Many would say you got off lightly. Fair point well made, it's easy enough to criticise or make a point without having to resort to foul language though in fairness UAE Saint you are by no means the worst offender. Personally I think it is time to get really tough on those who use foul language, though I'm too old to be offended or shocked I'm still not happy reading posts littered with "swear" words in whatever guise and too right that children use this board and it really is an appalling example to set. Anyway, end of rant. I'm still too euphoric to get really upset Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wightman35 Posted 8 July, 2009 Share Posted 8 July, 2009 As has been said before how many other ex Saints players did anything ? No need to reply as it is clearly a rhetorical question. His interview on SSN was very good though precisely what I would expect from MLT. Having watched Saints for 46 years and seen too many players who cared not a jot for the club or its fans I think it's pretty disgraceful to criticise someone who did care, still cares and who tried. Maybe his judgement was questionable but if anyone were to question his motives then I'd seriously wonder if they had some sort of agenda. The guy possibly made an error of judgement at the very worst, I would be amazed if anyone old enough to post on this board has never done the same. Time to move on, if the Swiss want MLT in some role then so be it but if not I'm happy to enjoy watching him on Soccer Saturday and hope he gets to cover a few Saints game though it is doubtful. Let us just be happy, as Le Tiss clearly is, we have come up trumps and we can look forward to a bright future. So please just leave it be. Absolutely agree with this and with Hamster post29. As said, MLT may have made an error of judgement. Maybe it is best that he will not be Chairman of the Club- new owners, new beginning; onwards and upwards! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clifford Nelson Posted 8 July, 2009 Share Posted 8 July, 2009 As fans we have a massive job on our hands, that of changing our mindsets. There is already those moaning about this or that, and this should be a day of unbridled celebration. We are out of administration, we're no longer a plc and the owner of the club can, if he wants to, put money into it. He isn't promising enormous amounts, put stabilisation and progress. That will do me very nicely. I think that over years we have become used to moan, groan and complain for very good reasons. From the Ian Branfoot era and with few exceptions since, everything has been a long series of disappointments. We really must change that! MLT should be honoured for all his years with the club. So should Lawrie Mac, but let's not believe that they will run a business venture better than somebody with the proven ability. Now I want to start talking about football! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doggface Posted 8 July, 2009 Share Posted 8 July, 2009 MLT is an absolute legend. Due to TL's inaccuracies/Fialka smokescreen & subsequent collapse of the bid - Being honest Matt was somewhat naive in backing TL (he was not the only one ; ) ). One thing that can never be questioned is that his heart is 1000% in the right place & I know this has been a stressful time for all concerned. With hindsight & if you don't let your heart rule your head which is easy to do, I feel the best bid won & matt is probably best off at Sky rather than chairman. Very much looking forward to Matt's Autobiography out at Christmas written with Graham Hiley. From what little I know there will be a few cracking stories in it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 8 July, 2009 Share Posted 8 July, 2009 If you want a pair of t i t s, perhaps you and Mole would volunteer to stand side by side...! Good idea with you below dressed as a budgie perhaps? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toadhall Saint Posted 8 July, 2009 Share Posted 8 July, 2009 MLT is an absolute legend. Due to TL's inaccuracies/Fialka smokescreen & subsequent collapse of the bid - Being honest Matt was somewhat naive in backing TL (he was not the only one ; ) ). One thing that can never be questioned is that his heart is 1000% in the right place & I know this has been a stressful time for all concerned. With hindsight & if you don't let your heart rule your head which is easy to do, I feel the best bid won & matt is probably best off at Sky rather than chairman. Very much looking forward to Matt's Autobiography out at Christmas written with Graham Hiley. From what little I know there will be a few cracking stories in it! Right thats on my Xmas list! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Fan CaM Posted 8 July, 2009 Share Posted 8 July, 2009 Let's have a fresh start without all this MLT legend stuff - it belongs to the past. Sorry - got to respectfully disagree with that. Top clubs recognise their heritage and history. Lowe tried to purge our history and it's greatest successes. Not saying MLT should be given a formal job, but he should be welcomed open armed as an ambassador for the club and so should any other significant ex-player for that matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 8 July, 2009 Share Posted 8 July, 2009 I disagree. MLT has sensibly and gracefully distanced himself while he still can. The Swiss may want him involved - I don't know - but they certainly don't need him. He was a great and loyal player - but let's not forget that his fronting up the Pinnacle bid might have cost the club its existence. It calls into question his judgement. Let's have a fresh start without all this MLT legend stuff - it belongs to the past. Are you for real? Whatever I'm just made up we are rich!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 8 July, 2009 Share Posted 8 July, 2009 I have read that is the opinion of a number of people in the Football World they agree that he had fantastic talent but wished he had shown that talent at the highest level like Shearer did What the devil are you talking about? He played his entire career in the top division. Apart from one good season at Blackburn, Shearer won sod-all in domestic football. I can only assume you are referring to international football? Hardly MLT's fault if he wasn't picked; I think most people would agree he was good enough to have earnt more than 8 caps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulwantsapint Posted 8 July, 2009 Share Posted 8 July, 2009 If there is a job that ML & MLT believe is right for MLT & Saints fantastic if not both are Legends MLT = God saved us so many times deserves his place in folklore ML = New King saved us from certain death MLT will be at SMS against Millwall in 1 role or another Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CitySaint Posted 8 July, 2009 Share Posted 8 July, 2009 I still say be should have a statue next to the players entrance with LOYALTY on the plinth. A bust would do. Just to remind them there's more to being a footballer than cash. Love this idea !!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo's a pansy Posted 8 July, 2009 Share Posted 8 July, 2009 Good idea with you below dressed as a budgie perhaps? I spy a naughty word, but extremely subtle in the way that it was passed through the censor by leaving gaps. Oooh err, how exceptionally clever. Now go and have a wink. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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