John B Posted 10 July, 2009 Share Posted 10 July, 2009 (edited) http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/sport/saints/news/4485143.Wotte__speechless__after_losing_his_job/ I wonder where he got the idea he was going to be the manager. From the First statement issued I thought changes were likely "I believe we have a superb opportunity to rebuild this great Club. Clearly, this will require resources, planning, hard work and patience. We will assemble a strong management team at every level of the Club. We will act rapidly, but also plan for the long term, because I am here for the long term. The strong management team at every level caught my eye initially Edited 10 July, 2009 by John B Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
offix Posted 10 July, 2009 Share Posted 10 July, 2009 Ooh, so sad..... OK, I'm over it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustMike Posted 10 July, 2009 Share Posted 10 July, 2009 writing was on the wall with that statement alone. wish him luck and all that but he wasnt the man for the job in the 1st place let alone now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole Posted 10 July, 2009 Share Posted 10 July, 2009 If you watch the saintstv interview with Andy Olknow he wouldn't comit to keeping Wotte citing a review needs to take place blah blah blah. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 10 July, 2009 Author Share Posted 10 July, 2009 If you watch the saintstv interview with Andy Olknow he wouldn't comit to keeping Wotte citing a review needs to take place blah blah blah. So why did Wotte think he had the job then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
70's Mike Posted 10 July, 2009 Share Posted 10 July, 2009 So why did Wotte think he had the job then? Same reason as some of his comments about players last season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Topcat Posted 10 July, 2009 Share Posted 10 July, 2009 Why did Wotte think he deserved the job? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustMike Posted 10 July, 2009 Share Posted 10 July, 2009 So why did Wotte think he had the job then? whoever was in charge before the takeover went through. Also he probably assumed that as he was loyal and stuck with us through the takeover he would automatically stay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole Posted 10 July, 2009 Share Posted 10 July, 2009 Why did Wotte think he deserved the job? He doesn't. He's a sh!!te manager and always has been. Watching us at Forest with no pressure our players didn't give a ****. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 10 July, 2009 Author Share Posted 10 July, 2009 whoever was in charge before the takeover went through. Also he probably assumed that as he was loyal and stuck with us through the takeover he would automatically stay. Just seems strange to me I would not think I had a job unless I was told that I had. However I think it is probably good that we get a new manager although it is becoming a bit of a joke five in two years but if things did not go well with results there would have been intense pressure to sack him and we would be back to square one. Even if results do go wrong which hopefully they will not we need to keep the new manager as eventually with investment we are bound to succeed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dicko Posted 10 July, 2009 Share Posted 10 July, 2009 During Andy Oldknow's time here, he will have tapped into the supporters feelings on certain issues and players ML statement on re-engaging with supporters backs this up, which is why I'd be astonished if Hoddle was given the job Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 10 July, 2009 Author Share Posted 10 July, 2009 During Andy Oldknow's time here, he will have tapped into the supporters feelings on certain issues and players ML statement on re-engaging with supporters backs this up, which is why I'd be astonished if Hoddle was given the job Running the club to appease the fans will be a disaster in the long run just look at Newcastle take some notice of us and provide good facilities and affordable ticket prices yes. Getting rid of Big Sam at st Jame's Park because the fans did not like his football has proved to be a disaster. But getting in a new management team with no baggage at SFC is in my opinion a good idea Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gordonToo Posted 10 July, 2009 Share Posted 10 July, 2009 "The Times also understands that Tony Adams and Micky Adams have been under consideration by the new team, which includes Andy Oldknow, a former commercial director of the club, who has been appointed chief operating officer". http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=14721 Strong management team at all levels? Yeah right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 10 July, 2009 Author Share Posted 10 July, 2009 "The Times also understands that Tony Adams and Micky Adams have been under consideration by the new team, which includes Andy Oldknow, a former commercial director of the club, who has been appointed chief operating officer". http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=14721 Strong management team at all levels? Yeah right. It says consideration. Tony Adams as coach not manager would be reasonable I would have thought Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gordonToo Posted 10 July, 2009 Share Posted 10 July, 2009 Tony Adams as coach not manager would be reasonable I would have thought Are you serious? What may also make for interesting speculation is who Oldknow has lined up for the CEO's position. Now, who do we know that has a reputation for strong management? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thorpie the sinner Posted 10 July, 2009 Share Posted 10 July, 2009 Not surprised, but no one said he was staying!!! Hasn't he got his contract paid for a year? should ease the pain, while he looks for a new post! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 10 July, 2009 Author Share Posted 10 July, 2009 Are you serious? What may also make for interesting speculation is who Oldknow has lined up for the CEO's position. Now, who do we know that has a reputation for strong management? I said coach not manager Adams did OK under Redknapp at Pompey. He would be ideal in sorting out our defence I would have thought Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gordonToo Posted 10 July, 2009 Share Posted 10 July, 2009 I said coach not manager Adams did OK under Redknapp at Pompey. He would be ideal in sorting out our defence I would have thought OK I'll buy that. Redknapp as manager and Adams as coach. Should go down well, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 10 July, 2009 Author Share Posted 10 July, 2009 OK I'll buy that. Redknapp as manager and Adams as coach. Should go down well, I still dont understand why Harry seems to be a good manager everywhere else than at SFC. He was a disaster or perhaps the players were rubbish Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gordonToo Posted 10 July, 2009 Share Posted 10 July, 2009 I still dont understand why Harry seems to be a good manager everywhere else than at SFC. He was a disaster or perhaps the players were rubbish Harry is a good manager when he's treated with respect. The trouble was Lowe thought he knew best and made it clear that Harry was expected to hand over the reins to Woodward after 12 months. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Draino76 Posted 10 July, 2009 Share Posted 10 July, 2009 whoever was in charge before the takeover went through. Also he probably assumed that as he was loyal and stuck with us through the takeover he would automatically stay. Every turd I have ever done is quite loyal and wants to stay around, but I usually flush them away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 10 July, 2009 Author Share Posted 10 July, 2009 Harry is a good manager when he's treated with respect. The trouble was Lowe thought he knew best and made it clear that Harry was expected to hand over the reins to Woodward after 12 months. So what I thought SCW came in after relegation Yes he did - he ballsed up the Lions tour of 2005 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gordonToo Posted 10 July, 2009 Share Posted 10 July, 2009 So what I thought SCW came in after relegation Yes he did - he ballsed up the Lions tour of 2005 Lowe had him lined up the season before he came to the club. Redknapp was only ever a short term appointment in Lowe's eyes to avoid relegation. Hence Harry's rapid disillusionment and you know the rest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 10 July, 2009 Author Share Posted 10 July, 2009 Lowe had him lined up the season before he came to the club. Redknapp was only ever a short term appointment in Lowe's eyes to avoid relegation. Hence Harry's rapid disillusionment and you know the rest. Oh not very professional from Harry I would have thought he was a bigger man than that. Just thought his tactics were crap myself Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doctoroncall Posted 10 July, 2009 Share Posted 10 July, 2009 To be honest I don't know why he was speechless considering his poor record at clubs and his bad reputation at Feyenoord as Technical Director. Wotte's teams he has managed (18 teams in dutch divisions): Info listed as Year, Team, Played, Won, Drawn, Lost, (place) 1983–1988 VV Rijswijk....... Amateur club - no records found. 1992........ ADO Den Haag. 34 6 10 18 (16th, relegated), 34 15 8 11 (8th second division) not sure when started or left in '92. 1994–1996 FC Lisse.......... Amateur club - no records found only places: 2nd and 2nd 1996–1998 ADO Den Haag. 34 16 6 12 (7th second division), 34 17 7 10 (5th second div) 1998–1999 FC Utrecht...... 34 10 8 16 (12th) 1999–2000 FC Den Bosch.. 34 4 11 19 (18th relegated) 2000–2002 Netherlands U-21 2002–2004 Willem II Tilburg 34 11 9 14 (11th) 34 13 10 11 (7th) 2006........ Ismaily SC....... 26 12 3 11 (4th - but left during season) 2006–2007 RKC Waalwijk... 34 6 9 19 (relegated) 2007–2008 Al Ahli............ 22 10 7 5 (3rd of 10) 2009 Southampton.......... 18 4 7 7 relegated Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gordonToo Posted 10 July, 2009 Share Posted 10 July, 2009 Oh not very professional from Harry I would have thought he was a bigger man than that. Really? How would you feel if your job description changed and you were expected to hand over the reins to a rugby coach? No doubt you'd be looking for around for the exit as well. Just thought his tactics were crap myself Personally I can't forget Prutton's amazing miss at the Hawthorns. And where is he now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gordonToo Posted 10 July, 2009 Share Posted 10 July, 2009 To be honest I don't know why he was speechless considering his poor record at clubs and his bad reputation at Feyenoord as Technical Director. Wotte's teams he has managed (18 teams in dutch divisions): Info listed as Year, Team, Played, Won, Drawn, Lost, (place) 1983–1988 VV Rijswijk....... Amateur club - no records found. 1992........ ADO Den Haag. 34 6 10 18 (16th, relegated), 34 15 8 11 (8th second division) not sure when started or left in '92. 1994–1996 FC Lisse.......... Amateur club - no records found only places: 2nd and 2nd 1996–1998 ADO Den Haag. 34 16 6 12 (7th second division), 34 17 7 10 (5th second div) 1998–1999 FC Utrecht...... 34 10 8 16 (12th) 1999–2000 FC Den Bosch.. 34 4 11 19 (18th relegated) 2000–2002 Netherlands U-21 2002–2004 Willem II Tilburg 34 11 9 14 (11th) 34 13 10 11 (7th) 2006........ Ismaily SC....... 26 12 3 11 (4th - but left during season) 2006–2007 RKC Waalwijk... 34 6 9 19 (relegated) 2007–2008 Al Ahli............ 22 10 7 5 (3rd of 10) 2009 Southampton.......... 18 4 7 7 relegated He would likely have done an OK job for us in L1 with some money to spend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 10 July, 2009 Author Share Posted 10 July, 2009 He would likely have done an OK job for us in L1 with some money to spend. Anybody could do an OK job with money in League 1 but we want somebody to do a very good job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted 10 July, 2009 Share Posted 10 July, 2009 Are you serious? What may also make for interesting speculation is who Oldknow has lined up for the CEO's position. Now, who do we know that has a reputation for strong management? I thought Oldknow's choice for a position of such power is likely to be Oldknow. I certainly can't see it being RL if that is who you are alluding to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gordonToo Posted 10 July, 2009 Share Posted 10 July, 2009 Anybody could do an OK job with money in League 1 but we want somebody to do a very good job. Like Adams (T), Adams (M) or Kevin (way past his sell-by-date) Keegan? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 10 July, 2009 Author Share Posted 10 July, 2009 Like Adams (T), Adams (M) or Kevin (way past his sell-by-date) Keegan? Even you I would have thought Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gordonToo Posted 10 July, 2009 Share Posted 10 July, 2009 I thought Oldknow's choice for a position of such power is likely to be Oldknow. I certainly can't see it being RL if that is who you are alluding to. A COO usually reports to a CEO. Maybe Oldkonw will report directly to Liebherr but Cowens may be an alternative possibiility. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viking Warrior Posted 10 July, 2009 Share Posted 10 July, 2009 (edited) Dicko I will be very worried if Oldknow is tapped into certain posters veiws on this site . If hes paying specific attention to Stanley or what ever the jerk calls himself and Alpine , then we are in for a rough ride. After the Annoucement on wednesday about the takeover, I really thought the spirit of Southampton had returned so how come lastnight I feel very deflated following the dismissal of Wotte, maybe it is the vicious comments some fans are already making about wotte and co. PS I do not trust Oldknow. He will need to convince me he has changed his spots and was not the nasty condescending person I dealt with in his previous time with the club. Just be very worried if Hone and co return as well!! Wotte has gone another Chapter has been written in saints history so I wait for the next managerial incumbant to come in and get behind Thanks Mark for being so professional and dignified in the way you conducted yourself in recent weeks Edited 10 July, 2009 by Viking Warrior Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 10 July, 2009 Share Posted 10 July, 2009 Ooh, so sad..... OK, I'm over it. lol. Shouldnt laff but... lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 10 July, 2009 Share Posted 10 July, 2009 (edited) Not sure why everyone feels so bad for Wotte. He didn't get a better offer, still got paid and therefore stayed. I think people are over egging the pudding when it comes to his loyalty. The same applies to Davis to a lessor extent. He stayed primarily because of family reasons. He likes the location and his wife and kids were settled. That was the main reason he wanted to stay with us. Yes of course he also wanted first team football, and perhaps he did turn down a raise (how big no one knows) but I doubt his `love for SFC' was the main reason for. his decision. Well I doubt it anyway. Don't get me wrong I am very happy he has stayed but I'm not convinced he stayed because he is loyal. As for Wotte I won't miss his long ball one man midfield ****e. Time to get a manager in that gets us playing the game how it should be. A Sean O'Driscal type. Edited 10 July, 2009 by Chez Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gordonToo Posted 10 July, 2009 Share Posted 10 July, 2009 Dicko After the Annoucement on wednesday about the takeover, I really thought the spirit of Southampton had returned so how come lastnight I feel very deflated following the dismissal of Wotte, maybe it is the vicious comments some fans are already making about wotte and co. I fully share those sentiments. Some of the postings since Wotte's dismissal have been quite shameful. PS I do not trust Oldknow. He will need to convince me he has changed his spots and was not the nasty condescending person I dealt with in his previous time with the club. Just be very worried if Hone and co return as well!! Oldknow is indeed an odd choice as COO. If he has a negative impact on general morale as previously then it will soon become apparent on the pitch as well. Mention of Hone has really cheered me up. Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 10 July, 2009 Share Posted 10 July, 2009 Dicko I will be very worried if Oldknow is tapped into certain posters veiws on this site . If hes paying specific attention to Stanley or what ever the jerk calls himself and Alpine , then we are in for a rough ride. After the Annoucement on wednesday about the takeover, I really thought the spirit of Southampton had returned so how come lastnight I feel very deflated following the dismissal of Wotte, maybe it is the vicious comments some fans are already making about wotte and co. The attacks on Wotte after he had gone were pathetic and a symptom of a lack of soul amongst a small minority (thankfully) of Saints fans. He did his best at a very difficult time with very few resources and was clearly a man Kelvin and JP Saeis were happy to play for. Fortunately many people, even those who didnt want him as manager were gracious enough to say 'thanks'. My sense is that those who put the boot in are often those who have achieved little in their own lives. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 10 July, 2009 Share Posted 10 July, 2009 Dicko After the Annoucement on wednesday about the takeover, I really thought the spirit of Southampton had returned so how come lastnight I feel very deflated following the dismissal of Wotte, maybe it is the vicious comments some fans are already making about wotte and co. PS I do not trust Oldknow. He will need to convince me he has changed his spots and was not the nasty condescending person I dealt with in his previous time with the club. Thanks Mark for being so professional and dignified in the way you conducted yourself in recent weeks Oldknow deserves a chance, in fact a major chance. He also secured the SISU deal. Clearly this is a man who can get things done. But he is not the decision maker, that lies with Nicola thingy. Not interested if his style makes him unpopular - if he's arotweiler behind the scenes and we're successful I dont care. Secondly, I was really really pleased last night. Decisive move in removing Wotte signals ambitous intent. Like it. Plus Wotte was crap on the pitch. Simples. Lastly, is this passing comment by Wotte the act of a dignified man? Better off without him in so many ways. He sounds as bitter as his good friend Mr Lowe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eelpie Posted 10 July, 2009 Share Posted 10 July, 2009 The . He did his best at a very difficult time with very few resources and was clearly a man Kelvin and JP Saeis were happy to play for. Unforunately few of the rest of the players bothered to turn up for Wotte. His departure had to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lumpofshipperley Posted 10 July, 2009 Share Posted 10 July, 2009 Thanks Mark. I thought you were better than your predecessor, but it's hard to right a losing streak and when new owners come in it's usually the case that a new manager is appointed. All the very best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 10 July, 2009 Share Posted 10 July, 2009 Unforunately few of the rest of the players bothered to turn up for Wotte. His departure had to be. You're starting to sound like Joda from Star Wars mmmm..the force...poor in Wotte... it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jam Posted 10 July, 2009 Share Posted 10 July, 2009 Really? How would you feel if your job description changed and you were expected to hand over the reins to a rugby coach? No doubt you'd be looking for around for the exit as well. Personally I can't forget Prutton's amazing miss at the Hawthorns. And where is he now? If there's one thing that you can say for Redknapp is that he know's which way the wind is blowing so I can't believe that he didn't know that SCW was coming before he agreed to become manager. Redknapp wanted out of here, regardless of SCW. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 10 July, 2009 Share Posted 10 July, 2009 Unforunately few of the rest of the players bothered to turn up for Wotte. His departure had to be. I don't disagree - its just that there are ways of letting people go gently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 10 July, 2009 Share Posted 10 July, 2009 So why did Wotte think he had the job then? Maybe because he got a new one-year contract last week..? Who knows? but now he's leaving and the club will honour that contract so he won't go empty handed. Given the choice there are half a dozen names I'd go for now that we have real money behind the club, so I'd say Thanks Mark, you kept a brave face through the last 3 months, but we need more guarantees than you can offer to get out of L1... ASAP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 10 July, 2009 Share Posted 10 July, 2009 I don't disagree - its just that there are ways of letting people go gently. I dont think there's any good way of letting someone go. In my experience its better to be decisive and remove someone who is not up to their job quickly before more damage is done. I think the new owners acted as decisively as they could and should have. I'm impressed. This is going to be a gladiatorial football club again. Can't wait! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 10 July, 2009 Share Posted 10 July, 2009 Whereas I have some sympathy for Wotte, that does not mean for one second that I would have kept him on to give him a chance to prove what he might achieve in this division as some have suggested. I seem to recall that there was some ill feeling towards Wotte from Poortvliet when he was ousted, so there is an element of the biter bit about this. Anyway, I never considered Wotte to be a suitable manager for us in the first place and predicted our relegation with Poortvliet and Wotte a season ago. The situation has changed totally from a few days ago. We might have been forced by financial straits to have accepted a manager who was willing to do the job for low pay and accept that low pay invariably brings poor quality with it. But as we now have serious ambitions to return to the Premiership within a short time frame and can afford to put in place the optimum factors to achieve that, the best players for this level and the best manager for the task at this level, why would ML risk jeopardising our prospects by keeping on a manager or players who are not the best, just for the sake of sentimentality? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fowllyd Posted 10 July, 2009 Share Posted 10 July, 2009 A COO usually reports to a CEO. Maybe Oldkonw will report directly to Liebherr but Cowens may be an alternative possibiility. Liebherr won't be CEO; Cortese is taking that role for the time being, but they'll no doubt be looking for someone on a permanent basis. And, unless the Swiss allow employees to choose their bosses, Oldknow won't have any say in the decision. I don't know where all this obsession with names from our past is coming from, unless of course it's down to Oldknow's return - but he was only ever a bit part player before. Liebherr and Cortese have no history here and I'm sure they'll choose CEO etc as they see fit, without trawling the SFC annals to see who's done similar things here in the past. Why would they even think of Cowen? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 10 July, 2009 Share Posted 10 July, 2009 I may have mentioned this once or twice before but the fact that Wotte "didn't see this coming" tells me all I need to know about his judgment as a manager IMHO of course Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gordonToo Posted 10 July, 2009 Share Posted 10 July, 2009 I may have mentioned this once or twice before but the fact that Wotte "didn't see this coming" tells me all I need to know about his judgment as a manager IMHO of course Of course he saw it coming - you only have to watch his last few interviews. His body language tells you all! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperMikey Posted 10 July, 2009 Share Posted 10 July, 2009 I feel slightly sorry for the bloke still, he's remained completely dignified and professional despite all the sh*t that has been going on at the club recently and I think we should've at least kept him on at the academy because he did seem to bring out the best in some of the youngsters at the club like James and McLaggon. While it's a shame that he's gone, i'm also immensely excited about the new managerial appointment at the club, and i've got every single limb or anatomical part that could be feasibly crossed, crossed in the hope that it's WGS! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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