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rasiak still in the squad also, as well as murty. Would love it if we signed him :)

 

Of course Rasiak and Saganowski are in the squad. They're still our players and we're still paying their wages. Also, no-one would be willing to buy an unfit player with the new season coming up.

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He'll be off as soon as a decent offer (from his perspective) comes in. He doesn't want to play in L1 and we need players who are committed to the cause. Sell him, get some cash in and bring in someone hungry and lively.

 

Also, I see that Molyneux is in the squad for tonight. I thought the received wisdom on her was that he had been released. Obviously not.

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After he refused to play against Forest we shouldn't even let him train with the first team.

 

He wasn't even very good when he wanted to be here so he's only going to be worse now.

 

He was good in our playoff season. I wouldn't mind him back in the squad, if we can get a decent manager to get the best out of him he should score a lot of goals but that's dependant on him staying.

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Really hope he decides to stay like Kelvin. With a decent manager and some creativity around him, he could tear most L1 defences in half.

 

Please, time and time again he fails to come up to the mark. DMG was the real loss, Saga is a total waste of resources.

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After he refused to play against Forest we shouldn't even let him train with the first team.

 

He wasn't even very good when he wanted to be here so he's only going to be worse now.

 

That has to be one the most stupid comments that I have ever read on this forum. In our play off season he was amazing, just look at his goal scoring record. When he came back in January he looked like another class compared to the rest of our players (when he could be bothered).

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He went through a purple patch it happens in football. As a side we where playing very well and as a striker he had a lot of chances made for him, scoring a goal a game during such a period is a decent return but hardly amazing.

 

You can keep clinging onto him being a quality player if you like, he's been **** for us ever since that play off season. I'd love to see his goals per minute ratio since then, must be embarassing.

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After he refused to play against Forest we shouldn't even let him train with the first team.

 

He wasn't even very good when he wanted to be here so he's only going to be worse now.

 

Agree 100% after refusing to play and publicating stating that he didn't want to be here he should have been on his way there and then. The only time he was good was when he was playing for a contract and hes totally lost interest since then, like a lot of average players he seems to have a very high opinion of himself, its clear he doesn't want to be a saint.

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Please, time and time again he fails to come up to the mark. DMG was the real loss, Saga is a total waste of resources.

 

DMG the real loss?!? I agree with many people who say that Saga looks like he can't be bothered half the time, but he used to put in 10 times the effort DMG ever put in, in his whole Saints career.

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DMG the real loss?!? I agree with many people who say that Saga looks like he can't be bothered half the time, but he used to put in 10 times the effort DMG ever put in, in his whole Saints career.

IMHO they both worked hard. DMG just let himself down every so often trying to showboat at a completely inappropriate point in the match, but I could not fault the effort he was putting in. Just goes to show, it is all about opinions.

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He can do for us what Steve Howard did for Leicester.

 

If there are no offers for him and Rasiak, then they are good enough to play. We had enough of trying to force high earners out last year, and look where that got us. Rasiak and Saga will be one of the best forward lines in this League next season, why break it up and have to buy replacements?

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That has to be one the most stupid comments that I have ever read on this forum. In our play off season he was amazing, just look at his goal scoring record. When he came back in January he looked like another class compared to the rest of our players (when he could be bothered).

 

.. and there is the crux. I would take odds that the first thing the new manager will do is get shot of him if he can get a taker- we do not need that attitude in the situation we are in.

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DMG the real loss?!? I agree with many people who say that Saga looks like he can't be bothered half the time, but he used to put in 10 times the effort DMG ever put in, in his whole Saints career.

 

Interesting how different people see different things. I never saw any lack of effort from DMG most of the time. He went through a bad phase but at his best was one of the most important players in the team. I still feel he delivered more than Saga did.

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Agree 100% after refusing to play and publicating stating that he didn't want to be here he should have been on his way there and then. The only time he was good was when he was playing for a contract and hes totally lost interest since then, like a lot of average players he seems to have a very high opinion of himself, its clear he doesn't want to be a saint.

 

He didn't refuse to play. Why would he, it makes no sense. He stated he wanted out and was left ouf the squad for the Forest game accordingly. Partly to save the club money on appearance fees no doubt as we'd already been relegated. We did the same with Skacel and it was probably a sensible decision.

 

People who claim Saga was only good when playing for a contract also have very selective memories. What about the season before last when he worked his a*se off and helped Stern John get all those goals. Or the fact that we never lost a game when Pearson picked him in the starting line-up. Or last season when he played regularly in the Champs League, then came back here and scored something like 6 in 7 games and got a couple for the Polish NT a couple of weeks later.

 

I don't get people claiming he's crap when he blatently isn't. He hasn't played well recently, so most people's solution is to get rid and replace him with Paterson, rather than try and get the best out of him again.

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Saga was great in our play-off season, but I think after that he's been a shadow of his former self. Even so, he'd terrorise L1 defences, but the fact that he has a 'calf strain' probably just means that he's holding out for a transfer.

 

Would like to see us keep him though, ideally i'd like to keep one of John, Rasiak and Saga to play alongside a younger striker like McLaggon or Patterson.

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Interesting how different people see different things. I never saw any lack of effort from DMG most of the time. He went through a bad phase but at his best was one of the most important players in the team. I still feel he delivered more than Saga did.

 

I'm sorry but how can you say that DMG delievered more than Saga? When Saga put in effort he ran his absolute a** off for the team. DMG used to do sweet FA stand around and moan. DMG's attitude has to be one of the worst I have ever seen for a so called professional footballer and surely if Saga was that bad why would he play in the Champions League and for the Polish national side?

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Originally Posted by St_Tel49 viewpost.gif

Interesting how different people see different things. I never saw any lack of effort from DMG most of the time. He went through a bad phase but at his best was one of the most important players in the team. I still feel he delivered more than Saga did.

I'm sorry but how can you say that DMG delievered more than Saga? When Saga put in effort he ran his absolute a** off for the team. DMG used to do sweet FA stand around and moan. DMG's attitude has to be one of the worst I have ever seen for a so called professional footballer and surely if Saga was that bad why would he play in the Champions League and for the Polish national side?

 

It's obvious DMG delivered more than Saga from the goals. I do agree that in general that Saga looks the part but that is where it ends, artistic merit alone. DMG really improved towards te end of the season when he started playing in the hole, elevated himself to a new level IMO.

 

How many chances do you need to give a so called experienced international? If it's brown, smells like ****, looks like ****, it more than likely is ****. No problem with Saga playing in League 1 for us, but what a waste of salary.

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It's obvious DMG delivered more than Saga from the goals. I do agree that in general that Saga looks the part but that is where it ends, artistic merit alone. DMG really improved towards te end of the season when he started playing in the hole, elevated himself to a new level IMO.

 

How many chances do you need to give a so called experienced international? If it's brown, smells like ****, looks like ****, it more than likely is ****. No problem with Saga playing in League 1 for us, but what a waste of salary.

 

Erm sorry if I'm wrong, but didn't DMG play every game last season?!?! So shouldn't he be scoring more goals, oh and weren't 3 of them penalties? Whilst Saga played at least half of them, so you can't compare that.

 

What we can compare is Saga's goal scoring run when we got into the play offs, DMG barely scored that amount of goals all season!

 

I would also like to argue that maybe DMG only started making an effort at the end of the season, maybe to put himself in the shop window?!?! (much like people have said Saga did so he could earn a contract).

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Who?

 

Kelvin.

 

My point is that I'm sure every player in the squad has considered leaving. Saga stated he wanted out because he has international ambitions. I don't blame him for wanting to leave, ditto Surman and DMG.

 

My point is that if, in light of the take-over and depending on the new manager, he decides to stay, like Kelvin, that's fair enough IMO. As long as he wants to be here and is commited to the cause, I don't care what he said last year when we were relegated, minus 10, in administration and with a muppet managing us.

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The sooner he b******s off the better. Massively overrated and a waste of time for us once he'd got his fat contract.

 

Yet on another thread you make a case for BWP ?

 

Its all opinion I suppose but given the choice of the two (and I'm sure we will lose Saga soon enough) I would keep Saga every time.

 

BWP - ok for 20 mins coming off the bench but asked to play the full game ? Forget it.

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Kelvin.

 

if, in light of the take-over and depending on the new manager, he decides to stay, like Kelvin, that's fair enough IMO.

 

You've got a nerve comparing KD to Saga.

When Kelvin "trained with another team" he hadn't been paid for a couple of weeks and was out of contract, but he STILL kept saying he wanted to stay.

Saga is just another mercenary muppet that, sadly, no-one wants to sign up on his billy-big-boots wages. And that is the only reason he is still here.

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Saganowski, in my opinion is useless, just like he showed last season, scored 6 in his first 6 gaqmes and was superb, then didn't score in the next 11. When we needed someone to step up ti the mark and score goals, he went missing. for the last 3 or 4 home games, he hardly touched the ball and looked uninterested. good ridance I say

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He hasn't got a calf strain and Morgan hasn't got a minor knock. It's all lies lies lies. When was the last time you got a calf strain on holiday?

 

They were both on international duty.

 

You've got a nerve comparing KD to Saga.

When Kelvin "trained with another team" he hadn't been paid for a couple of weeks and was out of contract, but he STILL kept saying he wanted to stay.

Saga is just another mercenary muppet that, sadly, no-one wants to sign up on his billy-big-boots wages. And that is the only reason he is still here.

 

I'm not slating Kelvin here. I think it's brilliant he's staying, but don't kid yourself into thinking he never considered leaving. If he was always 100% commited to staying at Saints, he'd have been training with Saints.

 

People have double standards. Kelvin training at West Ham, no problem. Saga "considering" a move to Poland and it's time to break out the torches and pitchforks.

 

If Saga WANTS to be here, then I'd be delighted to have him on board next season. If he wants to pursue his career then I wish him all the best. Much the same as DMG, Surman, Wotte or even Theo or Bale.

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If all is to be believed. We will get a decent competent management team in place and they will bring in decent competent hard working fresh players. I'd be prepared to believe that the dozing giants we have (Saga, John, Rasiak) might just step up to the plate and perform like they should. IMO, sad to see Saga go. At least see what he can achieve once we get the new regime set in place.

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Kelvin was out of work with no offer from Saints when he spoke to West Ham.

 

He never said he wanted out - quite the opposite.

 

Not double standards at all

 

It's a bit like punching someone in the face and saying, "I never said I didn't like you."

 

Kelvin clearly contemplated moving to West Ham and the deal must have been more than likely at one point for him to be training there ahead of us. However he changed his mind and decided he wanted to be at Saints. I don't have a problem that, but clearly people do have a problem with Saga doing something very similar.

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Both Saga and Rasiak are under contract, they both have 1 year left on their deals IIRC. The new owners probably are being prudent and seeing whether the new manager wants to retain then (ad maybe aquire Stern John)

 

The difference between now and a week ago is we don't have to get shot of them at firesale prices.

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